Thanks to you and your brothers for your US military service. My step
father of 26 years was a retired US Navy Commander, and I know some of the
scarifices that are made by people who volunteer to serve.
Unfortunately many of our traditional allies are now weak and lack the
relative military capability that they once posessed. Also in my opinion
many of our allies have embraced a somewhat skewed philosophy or world view
that seems to assert that just about any problem can be solved by diplomacy
or particular actions or behaviors that will then have the desired effect
avoiding conflict. On the other hand there are those in the recent past who
have had an exaggerated belief in what can be accomplished by military
power and they have perhaps been adventuresome. What is needed is a little
better ballance. Hopefully we are on that track.
From: RICHARD KASPRZAK rekj@...
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:03:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Let us have no lies
Yes the russians lost millions, so did the germans if you count percentages
of population. The Poles lost a tremendous amount, maybe more than the
russians if you again count percentages.
The difference between the russo-german and Polish losses is that the Poles
did not start the mess, they just suffered through it.
The Americans came in and saved the europeans twice in the last century,
WW1 and WW2. It could have been russo-german europe and japanese orient if
not for the US.
The instead of taking from the europeans and japanese, the US helped build
up both sides of the world, irrespective of whether they fought on the side
of the US or against it.
Now, it seems to us in the US that what we did was in vain. Instead of
helping bring stability to the world, most of the countries are abdicating
-or reducing- the help that is needed to stabilize the world. The US is
not perfect, far from it, but it tries. Finally, it seems that Europe is
coming around, realizing that evil exists. I hope its not too late. I am
64, have 16 years in the US army, and still am in the reserves forces.
Four out of five of us, my brothers, served in the military.
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Lucyna Artymiuk <lucyna.artymiuk@...> wrote:
From: Lucyna Artymiuk <lucyna.artymiuk@...>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Let us have no lies
To: 300PolishSquadron@yahoogroups.com, Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:01 AM
http://www.economis t.com/world/ europe/displayst ory.cfm?story_ id=13812982
Let us have no lies
Jun 11th 2009
Using the law to salve a guilty national conscience
YOU automatically lose an argument if you call the other person a Nazi,
states an adage coined by Mike Godwin, a writer about the internet, in 1990.
With that in mind, it is wise to proceed with caution when discussing
analogies between the Holocaust and anything else. Yet as Russia's draft law
on criminalising challenges to the Stalinist version of history comes closer
to reality, it is worth looking at the successes and failures of other
attempts to make certain views of history illegal.
Germany, Austria and more than a dozen other European countries have laws
that more or less ban "denial" of the Holocaust. Sometimes these are part of
general prohibitions of Nazi activity. Sometimes they are more generally
framed as anti-hatred laws.
AFP The proud sorrow of victory
How far that is justifiable in theory is debatable. Every country curbs free
speech to some extent (look at American companies' use of corporate libel
laws, for example). Whether one particular set of sensitivities deserves
more protection than another is a matter for public debate: if voters mind
enough one way or another, the politicians will pass or repeal the laws
From that point of view, it is hard to quibble with Russia's desire to
protect and sanctify the memory of its millions of soldiers who fell in the
fight against Nazism. As the western wartime allies wallow in nostalgia, it
is worth remembering that more than ten times as many "Soviet" (admittedly a
loose term) soldiers died in combat than British and American troops
But it is also worth noting that Holocaust-denial laws have done little to
restrict the pernicious myths peddled by those who think the Jews were the
victors, not the victims, in the second world war. In fact, a bit of legal
persecution is just what those advocating fringe history most want. They can
argue that the authorities are trying to suppress the "truth" because they
have no other answer to it. What is in reality little more than a bunch of
quibbles, anomalies, loose ends and historical puzzles becomes a grand
scheme of events, and thus more potent in attracting the gullible or
The best antidote to Holocaust denial is truth, such as the excellent
<http://www.nizkor. org/> nizkor.org, which provides a painstaking
of the mythmongers' cases, backed up with meticulous documentation. (An
enterprising group of researchers ought to provide a similar dossier to
rebut the equally absurd claims of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists).
Of course, questioning the Stalinist version of history is not directly
comparable to Holocaust denial. If anything, the label should be on the
other side. When a Russian defence-ministry website can argue
straightfacedly that it was Poland that started the second world war, it is
hard to accept that the authorities in Moscow are really interested in
nailing falsehoods, rather than-as they seem to be-promoting them.
But Poland has not responded by banning the import of modern Russian
textbooks, or passing a law making the denial of the Katyn massacre (which
Stalin ordered and then blamed on the Nazis) into a criminal offence.
Banning a particular version of history is usually a sign of a guilty
conscience. In the case of continental Europe, it is to make amends for
collaboration and perpetration during the darkest years of the last century.
In Russia's case, what should be a source of proud sorrow-the heroism of
those who fought and defeated Hitler-is being used to cover up Stalin's
behaviour: both his bungling of the Soviet defences against Hitler's attack,
and before that conspiring with the Nazis to carve up the Baltics, Balkans
and central Europe
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