To All, I agree with Dezio Lachocki that our efforts should be consolidated to go after Russia its government and the communist party in Russian and in PolandMessage 1 of 12 , Aug 19, 2007View Source
I agree with Dezio Lachocki that our efforts should be consolidated to go after Russia its government and the communist party in Russian and in Poland (if there are any assets in the communist party in Poland ).
I also believe that any individual or the family of any high ranking individual that profited from the illegal deeds of their government whether in Poland or Russia should also be made to pay and lose their personal or family fortunes.
My belief is that those who were the perpetrators of an illegal action should be made to pay for their deeds. Others suggest that we should ask or take advantage of those who suffered the most to bear the entire burden.
This belief is not intended as hatred of these individuals, their families, country or party but it should be a historical lesson to others to reduce or reframe from this type of activity in the future. In other words the world would be put on notice there would be severe consequences for their actions at some point in their or their family’s lives.
Unfortunately I believe secret treaties were signed to protect Russian and communist governments from these actions.
Because no perpetrator from the USSR, Russia or communist party has ever been brought to trial, yet these governments and their people have murdered over 50 million people, broken up families, ruined lives, caused sickness of mind and body to untold families, and individual lives not counting the loss of faith and property to so many.
All of us need to join together in one voice and daily send messages to all in power to correct these actions rather then take action against those who are still suffering.
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From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Dlachocki@...
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Rekompensacja - for property losses etc in Kresy
In a message dated 2007-08-19 00:57:45 Eastern Daylight Time, stefan@wisniowski. name writes:
Thank you Stefan for your well structured explanation and I thing it gives individuals open field to make a choice. I do side with Stefan in a very general sense,
but reserve the right to state my own opinion, without trying to advise others which way to go.
My personal feeling is with Poland and Her well being, therefore I would never ask for compensation, unless it will be paid by Russian Government since it is the guilty party and I will take no part of getting them (sort of speak) off the hook.
Wayne, NJ , USA
Antoni, Aniela , Carol , and others:
The question of deciding to apply for the compensation that has been offered by the Polish Government is a personal one and different people will have different views. It is like having an insurance policy - just because you are entitled to receive a payment after a loss does not mean that you have to go ahead and make the claim. But any members who feel that we should not seek compensation from Poland for our lost land please consider and comment on the following logic.
1. Yes, this is a legitimate offer for compensation. We are not suing the Polish government, we are respecting the Polish law which establishes a fund based on Polish Government property holdings to repay 20% (only!) of the value of the land that was purchased by my grandfather from his very own pocket and seized by the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1940.
2. Yes, it is fair that the Poland should repay my family, not Germany or Ukraine or Russia . After the war, we all know that Poland lost its lands in the East to the USSR and in return it was granted valuable lands in the West and the North (formerly Prussia ) which were taken from Germany . The land Poland lost in the East was larger in area, but the land Poland gained in the West and North was richer in value. In effect, part of the land that the Polish Government took ownership of was in exchange for the land that my own family lost. Many Polish families were moved by the government from the East to the West and given replacement properties there. Mine wasn't, because it had become a military family of fighters and refugees abroad and remained in exile after the war. So the Polish State still owes my family for the land that was taken from them.
3. Yes, it is morally right that "poor" Poland should pay my "rich" family. As Poland is now part of the European Union, and is being heavily subsidised by the other members (including the "rich" England and Germany), it is partly the Europeans who end up paying us back for the property that Poland received in exchange for my family's. Especially as my family is only getting one fifth of the value and Poland is keeping the rest! Anyway, being poor does not justify disrespecting property law (though it is sometimes a good explanation) .
4. No, this can not compensate for our losses of lives and livelihoods. But that is missing the point. This is simply being offered as financial compensation for the financial loss of property. Those other losses are impossible to compensate for.
5. No, the German expelled have no right to claim compensation from Poland . As explained above, the land lost to Poland by Germany was a punishment for its war on Poland , and it is the German government that is liable for any compensation to its citizens who lost their properties. In fact, the German government does not support any of the claims by German people suing to get their lost property back or claiming compensation from Poland .
As a result of all this, I feel that it is both legally and morally right for my family to accept the Polish Government's offer of compensation. Some say that 20% is not enough, but I feel that it is at least a settlement in principle that recognises the wrong that was done to my family (at least regarding its property) and that is in keeping with Polish laws and international agreements (whether we agree with how these were imposed by Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt or not).
I am happy to be given any other facts or consider any other arguments from those who do not feel that it is "right" to accept the Polish State 's offer to return us a fraction of the land that our family lost and that they gained after the war.
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