--- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., S & J Szybalski <julsta@i...> wrote:
> Very nicely and truthfully written. Some other people tried to
compare pre war
> economic situation to present day United States. Only where did you
> idea that during the Poland's partition Poles couldn't own and farm
the land ?
> there were building restrictions in Prussia and there was famous
> Drzymaly. Also after uprising of 1863 there was land confiscated
> "powstancy", or they got such high taxes, that the land was
> unpaid taxes. However this method was used when dealing with big
> Stanislaw Szybalski
> jazzbaritone wrote:
> > Howdy, Everyone,
> > I was discussing this very topic w/ Mamusia yesterday. She has
> > warm memories of Osada Hallerowo until, of course, the
> > (at which time she was 12). Dziadzia built the house in which they
> > lived, and there wasn't electricity or plumbing, so it was
> > but only compared to the way that we live now. For them, it was a
> > home, and a livelihood, and, for the most part, they were content.
> > Their needs were simpler than ours. Most importantly, they owned
> > farmed their own land, a privilege denied to the Polish people for
> > more than a century prior to the treaty of Versailles. Initially,
> > found it hard to reconcile such an idyllic account of life in that
> > area at that time with Dr. Norman Davies' description, in "God's
> > Playground", of the political turmoil, and often unstable economic
> > conditions. But the simplicity, and sufficiency of life for them
> > they knew it was all that really mattered to them. I'm sure that
> > there are many in the hyperactive industrialized countries who now
> > long for such a peaceful existence. Too bad that it didn't last.
> > With regard to the land itself, Mamusia mentioned that the area
> > been used by the Tsar's army in previous decades as an infantry
> > training range, and that Dziadzia was always digging up empty
> > while ploughing. Interesting.
> > Andy Bender
> > SF Bay area.
> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., Eve5J@a... wrote:
> > > Hello Barbara,
> > >
> > > I wrote that a happy ending should be included in the film, and
> > > you are right, not everyone had a happy ending. I meant finally
> > > after living as an inmate or prisoner for 2 years and a refugee
> > > for 10, finally our families got the chance to begin anew in
> > > another country with some semblance of a "normal" life--to
> > > have a house or apartment of one's own rather than Quonset
> > > hut, DP living--this at least was something. Yes, there were
> > > successes and there were failures. Roaming the world for
> > > 12 years took its toll, I am sure, in one way or another.
> > >
> > > You are right also that on the whole, interwar Poland was
> > > backwards. Certainly the majority of our families, who chose
> > > to move to Kresy after World War I, were basically pioneers,
> > > and the Kresy area was more backwards even than the rest of
> > > Poland. Life was rough there at first, but they were happy.
> > > I can tell this from my grandfather's writings and from my
> > > father's stories who was 10 when deported. I imagine that
> > > Kresy was a spectacular and beautiful place for an inquisitive
> > > and nature-loving boy to grow up, even without his stories.
> > >
> > > Millions of Poles immigrated to other nations throughout time,
> > > but not our families, who were forcibly removed. Our families
> > > chose to stay. Compared to others they must have had
> > > something in Poland or they would have immigrated long
> > > before their 1940 deportation, and we would not be
> > > discussing these issues now. Rather than being a first
> > > generation in a new country, I, and everyone on this list, would
> > > already be removed from our native land by two, three, or
> > > even four or more generations.
> > >
> > > Pioneers forge a new way of life in untamed land. Rural, or
> > > primarily farming, areas throughout the world, even in the
> > > States and even now, are normally a little backwards at least
> > > in spots. I live in New Jersey in a pretty affluent county,
> > > know that there were a few families here that did not have
> > > indoor plumbing in the 1970s and late 80s! Unreal, isn't it?
> > >
> > > Eve Jesionka Jankowicz
> > > Family from: Hallerczyn, Brody, Tarnopol
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > (Why do people think Poland
> > > was paradise before WW2? It was very poor -- look at the high
> > figures for
> > > economic emigration to the States, France, etc.; there was a
> > military
> > > dictatorship, bad anti-semitism, etc, etc) But there must be
> > > background information available about the deportations, life in
> > Siberia,
> > > the armies and the eventual dispersal to all parts of the
> > am
> > > afraid too that I don't agree with a "happy ending" -- after
> > in the
> > > mails of this group about how parents or relatives have had a
> > time
> > > coming to terms with their lives, even after so many years. So a
> > more
> > > ambiguous ending would be more suitable.
> > > Perhaps indeed out of a film, a general word to describe the
> > experience
> > > might turn up. But I agree with Cass, something will come up
> > somewhere when
> > > it is not being forced. Our current situation reminds me of an
> > advertising
> > > agency with people throwing words into the pot to see which one
> > be sold.
> > > Barbara Davoust (née Jachowicz)
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Hi. I am a relatively new member and except for my introduction a
couple of weeks ago, I haven't said anything. But I am reading all
of your entries. I just wanted to comment on life in Poland before
WWII. I wasn't there, but my father was, from 1926 until 1940 when
he was deported to Siberia along with his parents and siblings. My
father was born in America in 1913. When he was 13 years old, his
parents moved back to Poland, to Nowe Miasto, Przemysl, to be exact.
They bought land for a farm. My father passed away in 1989, but even
though he was born in America and ended up back here in the early
50's, all he ever talked about was Poland and how he loved it there,
how beautiful it was and how wonderful the Polish people were. My
grandparents left America in 1926 to go back to the country they
loved when it seemed peaceful a few years after WWI. The kind of
happiness they experienced there was not one of material things, but
of nature, family and friends, the important stuff. This is what was
taken away from the Polish by the Soviets, their happy family life.
Yes, they worked very hard and they had some problems with some other
groups of people, but they had each other and their beautiful
surroundings. Like many of your relatives, my grandparents did not
survive Siberia. My grandfather died there in 1943 and my
grandmother in 1944. I am presently writing to my uncles, my father's
younger brothers, who became orphans after their parents died, to
learn more about their lives. They both still live in Poland. This
group is helping me a great deal in putting the pieces of my history
together. I welcome any of your suggestions. Please feel free to
email me at any time. Thank you.
Barbara Soja Revoet - amkar@...