Excellently written piece and It must have taken a while to type all
You are entirely correct in stating that there are enough links
between the two series as it stands without inventing more and
furthermore I dont think its necessary for a greenhorn to have a
knowledge of saga in order to read the Mileue series, but aside from
all that,hey its fun to speculate.
You said'who are we to question the great maker'well,to question is
human and curiosity is what makes us everything that we are in my
belief.I would like nothing better than to meet JM and give her a
huge hug and thank her for (is it twenty?)years of joy at reading
these books,but one can't help conjecture and curiosity any more than
one can stop the rising of the sun.At the very least it gives us a
chance,as Minannon put it'to join in a whacking great row'.
Finally,and not to beat the subject to death, but when Paul had his
meeting with the Lylmik in Orb(when they asked about the loyalty vote)
and Paul pleaded with Unifex to tell him who Fury is,Unifex stated
that an anchient sin lies at the heart of his generation.Now,I feel
that Unifex would not have used these words to describe Dons sexual
abuse of Denis.To a being of six million years this event hardly
seems that old,eh?
Just trying to add fuel to the flames
Merry Christmas to you and all the other members out there.I hope its
safe and peaceful for us all
Go naire an bothar leat
--- In Julian-Mayemail@example.com
, Padraig Timmins
> The Pliocene Saga is, arguably, the favourite for most JM fans.
The first is generally the better liked. And indeed have re-read the
Milieu and now in the process of re-reading Saga, I like Saga
better. It's probably the mix if Sci-fi and fantasy, that I like
best, but whatever.
> And as Saga is 'probably' the most liked of the two series, and as
it came first, I cannot help but think that persons who are fans of
both, like me, attempt to link the too, unlike me, in ways that have
no real basis of fact, and that are not supported by much, if any,
evidence at all (both in terms of what we can gain from the stories
> Take the Carbuncle vs. the Felice/Cullucket merging. One throw
away sentence by JM about there being a similarity and a load of
people think they are the same and then, amazingly, try to make a
link between Felice/Cullucket and Fury? Even though JM give a more
than adequate explanation of why Denis possessed an obscene alter-
ego, and sticks to it. I say 'more than adequate' for who are we to
question the great maker JM herself?!
> I don't agree that 'it would have been better' if the link was
there between Fury and Felice/Cullucket, indeed I would go as far as
to suggest that I think it would have shown a distinct lack of
imagination, and a desire to hang the Milieu story on the successes
of the past Saga story, to do so. Fury is separate, and quite right
too. Let him have a character and malevolence of his own, not be the
skin of some older story. The link between Saga and Milieu is strong
enough as it is, and that link is Marc Remillard/Atoning Unifix.
> Similarly the Ships being the ancestors (as it could only be this
way around, they Ships couldnât be the *descendents* of the Lylmik,
as the Ships came first â" but I would guess that this was just a
mix up in terminology) of the Lylmik simply holds no water AT ALL.
> What the ships were, where they travelled, and whether they
survived to the time of the Milieu is irrelevant. Marc âAtoning
Unifixâ Remillard (or should that be the other way around?) makes
clear that the Lylmik are beings of the Milky Way, that worked their
way up to the state of Unity whilst existing in, and always having
existed in, our own galaxy, and to whom Atoning Unifix then revealed
himself and adopted them as his own people.
> Read the following excerpts from Diamond Mask. All the text
follows the previous text shown, I have simply inserted my comments
> > When the Duat work was done, Elizabeth was weary and ready to
> > pass on. She begged me to follow her into the peace and light of
> > the Cosmic All ... but I could not.
> > Instead, I felt compelled to return here. Alone, cut off
> > mind that had loved me and from the consoling Unity I had known
> > in Duat, I undertook what I judged was my true penance: to assist
> > the maturation of our own Galactic Mind.
> So Marc âAtoning Unifixâ Remillard had come to The Milky Way
and had no more contact with any of the beings that enjoyed Unity in
Duat. This MUST have included the Ships. There is simply no
question about it and no logical reason to assume otherwise. The
Ships were sentient beings, that much is beyond doubt from what we
know of them from Saga, and they could therefore have enjoyed the
blessing of Unity just as any other sentient being, once Marc and
Elizabeth had hauled the Duat galaxy up to that level of
consciousness. And Marcâs statement that he was:
> > Alone, cut off from every mind that had loved me and from the
> > consoling Unity I had known in Duat
> Is proof enough that he could not have had ANY contact with the
Ships, once he had left Duat, as they originated in Duat. Hence the
Lylmik could not have had any connection with the Ships at an
evolutionary level. Any similarities between the two species, if
indeed there are any, are purely coincidental. And indeed, given
that the Lylmik MUST have come from our Galaxy, and must have been
significantly UNDER 6million years old, and were on the edge of
complete racial extinction (as is made very clear in Milieu, then how
can anyone think that any of the races alive in Duat at the time of
Marc and Elizabethâs arrival, would not similarly have become
extinct, having left the Duat galaxy for younger races, just like the
Lylmik were ready to leave The Milky Way for Humanity to guide?
> > Through years that seemed without end I guided one promising
> > planet after another, cajoling civilization from barbarism,
> > from savagery. Of course I could not truly coerce the developing
> > races of the Milky Way. I only assisted the inevitable
> > complexification of the World Mind that accompanies life's
> > evolution.
> > I made many ghastly mistakes.
> > Can you conceive of the doubts that assailed me, Rogi, the
> > that I might have succumbed to a hubris even more immense than
> > that which originally obsessed me? No ... I see that you can't
> > understand. Never mind, mon oncle. Only believe me. It was a
> > terrible time. Le bon dieu is as silent and invisible to the
> > me as he is to any other material being. I could not help but ask
> > myself if I was committing a fresh sin of pride in thinking that
> > my assistance was needed.
> > Was I helping the Galactic Mind, or merely meddling with
> > evolution again, as I had been when I tried to engender Mental
> > Man?
> > Our galaxy has so many planets with thinking creatures!
> > Yet so fewâ"so pathetically few!â"ever achieved any sort of
> > social or mental maturity under my guidance, much less the
> > coadunation of the higher mindpowers that leads to Unity. But
> > finally, perhaps in spite of my efforts rather than as a result of
> > them, I found success. The Lylmik were the first minds to Unify,
> > and I adopted their peculiar race as my own. Then, aeons later,
> > the Krondaku also achieved coadunation.
> It couldnât be clearer, could it? The Lylmik, like the Krondaku,
the Gi, the Poltroyans, the Simbari and Mankind, were peoples of The
Milky Way. Marc âAtoning Unifixâ Remillard found the Lylmik in
The Milky Way, he guided them in the Milky Way, and he and the Lylmik
died in the Milky Way.
> There is simply no need to assume or invent any other kind of
> ânuff said.