Not many. This one s in red, and although there is other red work or blackwork in red, if you like, what I m interested in is that finish on the edge ofMessage 1 of 4 , Nov 25, 2008View SourceNot many.
This one's in red, and although there is other 'red work' or
"blackwork in red," if you like, what I'm interested in is that finish
on the edge of the neck ruffle and the sleeve ruffles. Just the very
Look closely: barely visible, but there (yes, I know this is a man's
Same comments apply:
First option with illustration of gathered-pleated camicia with
I think this is the painting from which the above was taken:
If not, there is that edge treatment.
Please understand: I'm not looking for documentation; not looking to
*prove* this was done; not trying to establish whether it was more, or
equally, common to men's or women's clothing.
What I'd like to know is *how* it was done. Just that thin, delicate
line of finishing. It is buttonhole stitch? Overcasting straight and
simple? Is the neckline hemmed, or does the colored thread take care
of the raw edge by enclosing it?
Bella's page on the finishing of camicie necklines, I just got an
actual awareness of this morning. Y'know: actually aware of the
information on it.
Several people have tried on lists to explain ways of achieving this
fine edging---and they've got a job getting it through my head, I can
tell you. A couple of other needleworking friends (SCA, yes) have
also tried, one of those giving me far more credit for skill at
embroidering than I think I actually have. They've all been
I have no doubt my questions weren't clear and specific enough.
Your chosen method---in carefully detailed steps and remember you're
dealing with an embroidery newcomer (not "never at all," but very
little experience)--- would be...?
Yseult the Gentle
--- In Italian_Renaissance_Costuming@yahoogroups.com,
> > Has anyone on list had experience (yes, of course, someone on this
> > list has to have had!) with doing one of those very fine...'outlines'
> > of the upper edge of the front panel of a camicia? Sometimes
> > the gathered lower edge of the sleeve (like a ruffle) is also finished
> > off this way. In black, red, gold, or even in white?
> Can you point to a picture of the edge finish you're thinking of?
> sure I'm thinking the same thing you are... :-)
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... Mmm, that s scrummy. I ve done this on ruffles on men s shirts before, but they weren t very fine linen. Basically, the ruffle is a long strip of linen. IMessage 1 of 4 , Nov 25, 2008View Source----- borderlands15213 <borderlands15213@...> wrote:
> Not many.Mmm, that's scrummy.
> This one's in red, and although there is other 'red work' or
> "blackwork in red," if you like, what I'm interested in is that finish
> on the edge of the neck ruffle and the sleeve ruffles. Just the very
I've done this on ruffles on men's shirts before, but they weren't very fine linen. Basically, the ruffle is a long strip of linen.
I fold it in half, lengthwise, and press it. Then I open it up, and backstitch along the fold with a line of embroidery. When the ruffle is done, the fold finishes the edge and is colored.
If I were to do this on a more sheer fabric for a camicia, I think I would finish one edge of the ruffle with a hand sewn blind hem, then go around and around the edge with the embroidery thread. I looked online for a good how-to on hand sewn blind hems, but doesn't look like there are any. :( If the fabric held a crease, you could always do a tiny double fold (so the raw edge is hidden), then go around with embroidery floss, forgetting about the actual blind hem.
Thanks. I do like that camicia. Very spiff, but way beyond what I can do embroidery-wise at this stage. The sewing, no problem. The fancyMessage 1 of 4 , Nov 25, 2008View SourceThanks. I do like that camicia. Very spiff, but 'way beyond what I
can do embroidery-wise at this stage. The sewing, no problem. The
fancy needlework...different story.
So far only one person suggested (and that was to my personal e-mail
account) that the edge might be managed very neatly without turning
under a hem. Everyone else has said, "Turn under the raw edge and hem
Blind-stitching a hem isn't difficult---really, it isn't---so that
won't be a problem.
The one thing I'm just not sure of is that the fabric I'm using, while
it "seemed like a good idea when I bought it," is heavier than I
choose today for fine work. And what I'm sort of fretful about is
hemming it, and then finding after hemming and embroidering is that
it's *so* "bodiful" (yes, made that up) it won't 'ruffle' so much as
'sheet metal crimp:' large, sharp, bulky creases and angles instead of
Right now, that neckline is a raw cut edge. Well, it does have a
shallow machine zig-zag securing the raw edge until I do *something*
to finish it.
This is one of those annoying cottons which *creases* or wrinkles but
doesn't 'hold a crease' the way I'd like for it to do. Starching that
edge might help...I suppose... Hmmm. <kicks mental gears into slow,
Oh---I should state: this "ruffle" is actually just the gathered top
edge of the camicia, so the frill is integral to the garment.
Possibly I've been misleading you all by saying "ruffle."
Thank you for your suggestions. :D I'm much encouraged.
--- In Italian_Renaissance_Costuming@yahoogroups.com,
Annikki%20Raiford <annikki@...> wrote:
> Mmm, that's scrummy.very fine linen. Basically, the ruffle is a long strip of linen.
> I've done this on ruffles on men's shirts before, but they weren't
>backstitch along the fold with a line of embroidery. When the ruffle
> I fold it in half, lengthwise, and press it. Then I open it up, and
is done, the fold finishes the edge and is colored.
>would finish one edge of the ruffle with a hand sewn blind hem, then
> If I were to do this on a more sheer fabric for a camicia, I think I
go around and around the edge with the embroidery thread. I looked
online for a good how-to on hand sewn blind hems, but doesn't look
like there are any. :( If the fabric held a crease, you could always
do a tiny double fold (so the raw edge is hidden), then go around with
embroidery floss, forgetting about the actual blind hem.
> Adele Desfontaines