<How many pretty Islander goales off one-timers or a pass to a
slam-dunk empty nets we seen this year from the team ? It's something
I keep track of and I count less than ten goals like that all season.
It does not give Yashin any kind of pass but for me it screams the
creative offensive talent to set up those kind of plays is absent from
this roster. The grit has been great but pretty goals are not what
this roster is about and that means it's lacking >>
--- In Islanders-SoundTigers@yahoogroups.com, ISLESzig16@a... wrote:
> Whatever happened to individual effort, self motivation, throw the
puck at the net, try, etc? Why do goals have to be pretty, so long as
it goes in the net who cares. >>>
There is plenty of team effort here, no question about that and
unfortunately there is only throw it at the net, try.. ect and it's
taken the Isles into a playoff spot to this point. I guess what I'm
saying is to win a title, to do what Yashin is really here for, you
need some creative offense, some skilled open-ice plays for goals,
one timers. Right now as a group our team is lacking this big-time
along with a powerplay that makes teams pay.
< Yashin is a professional Hockey Player, not a professional
"score a pretty goal and only be able to play with the elite" player.
Maybe Im being tough on him, but I expect more from him for the
salary level he is at.>>>
No, I think we all expect him to do more, myself included, and for
a good month he was awol on the ice and doing things he must do and
that's why the staff had enough. I cannot tell if it's a combo of the
strategy, himself, the talent around him or what other teams are
trying on him to shut him down. There is no doubt other teams plan
for Yashin to show up and work and to keep him off the puck.
< I dont care what kind of game he likes to play, Hockey is an
unscripted sport, and you gotta be ready to play and play hard no
matter how the puck is flying on the ice, pretty or ugly, its the
same game with the same objective.>>>
I really do not know what game he likes or prefers to play and it
does not matter what he wants. What he does do well, he must bring to
> The excuses being made for his lackluster play are exactly
True, but there is a diffrence between lackluster play and not
scoring. Sometimes he does work very hard and gets nothing. Has he
worked hard enough nights, IMHO.........NO.
That said he is the Islanders leader in points.
> You know Bill, that just hurt my eyes reading that. You threw that
in to hurt me didnt ya?>>>
No way, never would do that Dawn. I picked Czerkawski because he
was the only open ice player from last year who could move to the
middle and shoot and make a play on the fly, he dug his own grave
here because he did not work hard enough either and now has done the
same in Montreal. In the end Czerkawski did not fit with Yashin at
all. Miller did not fit that kind of player here either but he is a
solid playmaker for Jagr.
> I honestly winced in pain at the memory of Czerkawski. But
you know I have hated him for years. His skills are in the minors.>>
Shocking how brutal he has been, even with his coach from the
minors getting the job with the Habs.
> C'mon now, the fact that we are conversing about him needing
special little players proves the point he is a me player. How can we
make "ME" better.>>
It's never been an issue with Yashin and it better never become one
from him in public. There has to be a happy medium between Ziggy,
Iginla and any star we can pencil in with Yashin and someone who can
get him the puck on the move a little better and maybe force the
oppositon to concentrate on someone else.
I like Asham, I like Kvasha and I know they are doing their best,
but these are not first-line top talents and we never know when their
next goals are coming. Weinhandl has looked the best with him and
when both are working they get better quality chances just because
there is a higher skill level. Or at least that's what I see. Maybe
I'm dead wrong.
To say he is a me-only player becuase he does not have the right
fit is to put Webb and Godard with Peca and wonder why Peca has no
points. Peca would need some help too and that would not make him a
me-player. That's an extreme example but kind of what I'm driving at
because Asham was supposed to be a fourth liner here and was in the
minors most of last year and is not some top draft-pick prospect who
is coming of age. Kvasha's past here speaks for himself.
> When it should be what can he do to make the team better, how can
his skills be applied to the improvement of the overall team, what
role can he create for himself, can he be a leader to the younger
ones? Great players, and I mean truly great players, it never
mattered who they played with. Look at Palffy, it doesnt matter who
he plays with, he makes it work.>>>
He is what he is, unless he plays the game he played in Ottawa he
will never be that player again and the idea for trading for him is
gone for a team where they need forty goals and ninety points for
this to work and some clutch play. I have no idea what kind of
leadership role he takes here but the vets on this team will demand
leadership from him and for him to set a good example. Ziggy made it
work here too, he just had no help here either to make them win all
those years, but he worked like a winner.
> Brett Hull, who I personally dont care for but cant deny his
ability is another example. Thats what Yashin was "supposed" to be. I
have no stomach for Primadonnas in this league. If Yashin needs to
rely on other players talents to perform, then where does his skill
really lie? >>>
I guess my question is where was Hull at this age in his career,
was he an on-ice leader with the Blues or someone who just could not
get them a title and did not have enough help. I'm sure if Yashin was
in Detroit he would fly under the radar and get his goals and points
and that would be it. It's a lot different here. Would Brett Hull in
his prime have problems here with Asham and Kvasha as his winger, I
think so, but who knows ?
< Is he looking for a Derek King/Pierre Turgeon relationship? King
was a marginal player at best, but when he teamed up with Pierre he
was great, and when Pierre was gone, so was King's magical skills.
Turgeon went bad because of injury, he was never the same after that,
but what was Kings excuse? Yashinitis?>>>
Maybe, without all the Senators around him that made life easier.
But right now I do not think he is at that point with the Isles, but
it's coming unless Yashin and the players around him do some serious
maturing and play big-time hockey as top-line players or more talent
comes in a trade.
> That is a sad and shameful statement. Let's be honest here, the
Isles have not gotten picture perfect wins nor have they sparkled in
the lime light.>>>
You hear it all the time from players, goals give them some
confidence and they play better from the vets to the kids. Yashin has
nothing to build on right now. He has to learn the game over with the
Isles and it's been a tough struggle and it was last year too on many
> They are a hard working team, and with or without Yashin this year
wouldnt have made any difference, theyd be in the same situation
right now if 79 decided to stay home this season.>>>
Sorry, but I gotta disagree on that. He leads the team in points
and last I looked would have led several teams in scoring, but that
was a while ago.
> I think you are placing the talent and professionalism on the wrong
side of the scale. For what has already gone down this season remove
Peca from the equation...that would be an impact, remove Blake or
Scathard from the line up, that too would make a huge difference.
Remove Yashin and we wouldnt even have noticed. >>>
As bad as he has been, we would have noticed. Although when the
Isles won on the west coast no one cared if Yashin moved back to a
top line. Let's put it this way, if he is not professional he will
not get away with it here and we'll know by how he is used. I'll
trust Laviolette on this because he is no soft-touch and this is not
the Rangers lockeroom where the coach goes before the
star player. And you can bet Wang is on Milbury to push him because
he has to pay him.
> I guess for now we can agree to disagree, but Yashin is at the root
of his own dilemma. Hes not happy here, even though its up to him to
change that, I dont think he will.>>>
We only agree to disagree a little. You could be right in the end
but Yashin is a big boy and will have to grow up a little too and
make it work. Will he or won't he ? I do not know.
I really think in eleven days he will get his help and all excuses
are gone because Milbury is not going to wait for the Rangers to take
his playoff spot and someone like Torres or Mapletoft will pay that
And as safe as MM seems, if the fans turn on Wang, all bets could
be off. He fired his football staff, so he can fire his hockey staff
and will lose MM if he thinks his judgement on Yashin was the