--- In Islanders-SoundTigers@y..., chapin_landvogt@l... wrote:
> So we've lost again, and once again in the 3rd, once again
> suffering under a rash of whistles. Strange indeed!>>>
I wonder how many third peirods they have won this season, game
gets on the line and they get shut down cold.
> Now someone has heard around several corners that the
panic button has a date placed upon it...... and that date is
the 15th of November. Reports out of Canada say Yashin
has been complaining about linemates (ya, whateva). We've
got a Scatchard doubtful of the Peca 27 second move and
a Parrish admitting last year feels a lot more like yesteryear.
We've got two hustling kids getting sent down - not because
they didn't deserve to stay - but because of the numbers
game. We've got an injured player who was doing well
despite no production and the team has lost five straight
That's all that is needed, a public deadline and more stunts. The
owners change, the money changes, the coaches change but these stupid
deadlines, alerts and stunts always remain...why is this junk even
necessary because it does nothing in the end, it never has and we
know who is behind it.
> Anyhow, I still think all the answers to this team are in the
locker room. I think things must click at some point.>>>>
I wish I felt that way. I think all the problems come from two
things. They have no finish among a group of forwards that for the
most part are not finishers and never have been no matter how hard
they work and I think they have worked as hard as they can and are
frustrated with so few results. And the goalies cannot stop the puck.
I got a question for everyone who wants to contribute. After
Yashin, is there a team in the entire league with a weaker collective
offense as a supporting cast ? The only game I felt the Isles had the
same or more was against Nashville and that's because I know little
about the Predators. Pick the next game, for example: Montreal
(Audette, Czerkawski, Petrov, Gilmour, Zednick, Koivu) to name a few.
Last year Czerkawski and Miller scored those key goals and kept
them in games that the defense could close out, the Isles almost
never won easy. Now they do not have those players and no one is
there to replace that void as they lose the same games
they would win 4-3 with some goaltending. They can't ask kids and
career ten goal guys to replace that and of course Scatchard,
Isbister and Kvasha have failed and they were critical.
> Hard work eventually pays off. It's easy to lose sight of this
when a team is in such an infathomable rut. And when
things are like that, it's up to the coaches to get the
players getting back to the basics and for net crashing.
I think this team is just one big, big lucky bounce from
getting out of its doldrums. You all are probably of another
opinion, and I respect that.>>>
I hope your right because this is it. I think they have gotten some
breaks (like Yashin's goal last night) I think Wiemer's goal against
Atlanta is a break and the Torres/Yashin hookup is all that stood in
the way of a loss to Nashville.
> Now, all that considered, if this team does nothing but
fuck up until the 15th, I'd have no reservations of seeing
MM finally unleash and carve out the dead wood and
perhaps even some of the healthy wood in order to get
a couple of new and promising faces here! I'd have
nothing against a January Islanders club that includes
the likes of forwards Yashin, Weinhandl, Bates, Peca
Torres, Blake, Mapletoft, Hunter, Manlow and perhaps
even Goddard. At this point, Aucoin is the main guy I
want to see on the blueline, but everyone else is a
tradeable commodity. I don't even mind seeing a
guy like Butenschon having to be Dman #6 as long
as the D in front of him has been carefully selected.>>>
I think losing Isbister or any of the kids is a major mistake, a few
good veterans signed take the pressure off and opens the ice for them
to do their work. But I have no expectations of Milbury doing
anything but making the team weaker in a one-sided trade.
> The question is, can MM turn guys like Wiemer, Scatch, Lappy,
> Izzy, Hamrlik, Jonsson, Parrish, Kvasha, Cairns perhaps Snow,
> Osgood or even Dipi into doable and useful targets
> - Samsonov or Murray and McLaren
> - Stuart and perhaps Selanne
> - Savard
> - Carter or Smyth
> - Bonk, Arvedsson and Rachunek
Why would teams take some of these players ? They lose Jonsson,
Aucoin, Isbister, Hamrlik, Parrish whatever they get back changes
little for 2002-03. They have no defense to trade at all. Cashing in
DiPietro now means another goalie of the future is gone and there are
no answers for a position bleeding goals right now.
> and then sign the round-out guys still hanging around
> without contracts like Kamensky, Richer, Verbeek,
> Tocchet, Slegr, Cross, Van Impe, etc.>>>
They can do that today and add to the mix they have, I think it
would work with the team they have, I absolutely do.
> For the sake of argument, I'll place the names Asham,
> Timander and Martinek into the untradeable category
> cause heck, who the hell is gonna want them anyway
> for anything of any worth.>>>
I would not trade them at all unless the return really helps.
Martinek skated well last night, it's going to take some time and
they have to stick with him.
> Where are there teams with big needs? The Coyotes
> are screaming for a 3rd line center. Scatch? The Leafs
> desperately need a real good Dman. Jonsson? Hamr
> would most likely be the biggest bait for Samsonov/Stuart/
> Selanne quality players. Is the rest of the league now weary
> of Izzy or does he still have that future Bertuzzi allure(?) cause
> he seems to be another guy who is just not ready to decide
> games in this uniform.>>>
I do not think the Sharks are unloading Selanne or anyone because
they have a good team, they can be patient, the teams we need to do
business are in the same mess as the Isles are. And the Isles again
have little to trade.
> So, what I'm saying is, depending upon the names coming
> back, I just don't have any problem with trading away a ton
> of guys for the necessary Yashin partners and a more mobile
> defense, and then letting four or five of our kids fill out the last
> three lines.>>>
I would not break up the three defender for anything, we know they
work. I would rather take the hit this season and keep them because
it's impossible to replace quality defense and they have no depth at
> I also currently believe that the player most suffering from
Peca's absence is Yashin - and that's because he just
doesn't have anyone to play with. Peca's absence would
not have been the talk had there been an all-star gunner
next to Yashin from the start. Even just a dangerous 2nd
line would have relieved the pressure, but there's been
no-one and everyone knows it.>>>
It's true, but he has to find a way and stay encouraged. The thing
with Yashin that has stood out from day one is the fact he is not a
third-peirod goal-scorer since he has been an Islander, he gets that
first goal. Outside of the Montreal ot goal last season, I cannot
remember many third peirod goals from Yashin.
> Other notes:
> - I find myself cringing at yet 3 more goals from Gaborik
> last night. Uggggg, the guy was there to be had.>>>
Yes. And on that front as Connolly, Pyatt, Bertuzzi and whoever
else left it's only going to get worse on that front. It sucks, but
no sense looking back anymore. They won, the fans came back and now
they have to keep the fans coming back.
> - This year's Bates is a guy who I saw play at UNH back
in 94 and he was good. He ripped up the ECHL and then
the AHL is now doing quite a good job with the Blues.
He's Eric Boguniecki.>>>
He drew raves against the Isles and Rangers from the announcers of
> - That Derek Morris trade certainly isn't hurting much now
> that Jordan Leopold is proving to be what the Flames had
> hoped of him. Chuck Kobasew looks like a keeper too.>>>
What a move by Kobasew for that goal. That Flames defense had some
good young players. And they are loaded up front.
> - Who is the hottest player on the west coast??? Can you
say Kings' rookie Alexander Frolov? Then again, haven't
both Bertuzzi and Naslund wracked up like 9 points a piece
in the last three games????>>>
I have seen Frolov play a few games, one when Ziggy was out against
the Rangers and the guys knows how to get to the net, not bad for
twenty years old.
> - Sometimes it's good to just place some faith in the little
guys. I don't care what anyone says, I'm personally happy
seeing Martin St. Louis getting points in almost every game.
He's been incredible.>>>
Sure has, that entire team has really been something and the
composure they showed for the 2-0 goal that beat the Rangers was
something else. With that goaltending and that offense, they are not
going away. Oh yes, exactly what the Isles do not have.
> - One of the things that surprises me about Atlanta's bad
fortunes is that both Kozlov and McEachern have been
producing a lot better than last season. What a shame for
them that things aren't working out past the first two lines.>>>
Would not mind seeing the Isles throw some grit at Atlanta for one
or both of them.
> - Minnesota - still just incredible. This kid Pascal Dupuis
> is turning into a player and Ronning seems to be back
> to his old assisting ways.>>>
I wish I was following this team more. Ronning was available to
everyone last year too. Gaborik is just special. Has anyone accused
Jacques of playing a trap anymore ?
> - Hey, who is Ivan Huml, cause I don't think I've seen Jozef
Stumpel get a point this year that Huml didn't assist on?>>>
Don't know that one.
> - Andrew Cassels has been doing nicely for Columbus,
BlueJackets are a better team, not there yet but getting better. I
love what they did over the summer.
> - Anyone notice that Czerkawski got 3 assists in a 5-2 win
against the Maple Leafs? Would have been nicer if he
had done that last April. Speaking of the Habs, I haven't
heard a thing about Donald Audette???>>
What's the over/under on Czerkawski talking out on the Isles or at
least scoring a big goal, all ex-Isles seem to manage this. Wonder if
they are so sick of him that the Isles can just offer Asham to
Montreal and get back Czerkawski and admit they were wrong in trading
Why do I think Montreal wants a lot more.
> PS) Well, I noticed Lavy called Weinhandl's play *Outstanding*.
> He did get a little almost non-assist. I suppose it's worth leaving
> him next to Yashin on Thursday too.>>>
Outstanding is not the word I would use, sounds like more
coachspeak to me, but he did ok.
Good stuff, as always, Chapin. I hope your right.