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• It s foolish to think that REAL improvement ever might be possible as long as differences and/or irregularities in our (or any) date/time tracking systems will
Message 1 of 9 , Jun 24, 2007
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It's foolish to think that REAL improvement ever might be possible as
long as differences and/or irregularities in our (or any) date/time
tracking systems will exist. Simply think about different calendars
(Gregorian, Hebrew, Chinese etc.), different time zones, Easter date,
different numbers of days in months in general and leap days/seconds
in particular, etc.
P, what's available now does the job, doesn't it? Any changes would
be only cosmetic.

But you made a very big point about synchronization of all hardware
systems that use time. Problem is that the long known and for sure
best solution probably will not be implemented in our lifetime! Do
you realize how long it took to implement the ISO 8601 notation?
(Alexander Graham Bell used that already in the 1880's! And still,
what notation do you read now in the header of this message?)

It would be nice if every watch, computer, cell phone, electric oven,
car or whatever hardware, internally as well as for interchange only
would use a Universal Atomic Second Number (kind of UTC measured in
seconds) being transmitted continuously, and would give it's user the
opportunity to make it convert that to any calendar of his own choice
and show that on the display, using GPS to calculate correct Z .....

THAT would really ease things up and facilitate simple formulas!
And would completely skip your challenge for new Babbages or Newtons!

Regards,
Jan

--- In ISO8601@yahoogroups.com, hjwoudenberg@... wrote:
>
> The challenge, be the first to:
> Â· Develop formulas for all the holidays.
> Â· Develop a formula to convert calendar date to ordinal
date and
> back.
> Â· Devlope a formual to convert calendar ate to week date
and back.
> Â· Develop improvements to event algebra formulas.
• Actually, it is foolish to think we can’t improve. The fact that there are differences and irregularities just makes the job harder, not necessarily
Message 1 of 9 , Jul 6, 2007
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Actually, it is foolish to think we can’t improve.

The fact that there are differences and irregularities just makes the job harder, not necessarily impossible.

And the current syntax (P) does not do the entire job that is needed.

Yes, it does take a long time to change, and sometimes it doesn’t take at all (consider the metric system in the US ). On the other hand, some impossible tasks, such as the cataloging and categorization of all characters used in writing systems throughout the world, does make very good on its mission and is accepted, albeit over a 15 year period (Unicode).

I am still hopeful that we will all use stardates (from Star Trek) some day.

;-)

tex

From: ISO8601@yahoogroups.com [mailto: ISO8601@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of datefreak
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:43 AM
To: ISO8601@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ISO8601] Re: The challenge

It's foolish to think that REAL improvement ever might be possible as
long as differences and/or irregularities in our (or any) date/time
tracking systems will exist. Simply think about different calendars
(Gregorian, Hebrew, Chinese etc.), different time zones, Easter date,
different numbers of days in months in general and leap days/seconds
in particular, etc.
P, what's available now does the job, doesn't it? Any changes would
be only cosmetic.

But you made a very big point about synchronization of all hardware
systems that use time. Problem is that the long known and for sure
best solution probably will not be implemented in our lifetime! Do
you realize how long it took to implement the ISO 8601 notation?
(Alexander Graham Bell used that already in the 1880's! And still,
what notation do you read now in the header of this message?)

It would be nice if every watch, computer, cell phone, electric oven,
car or whatever hardware, internally as well as for interchange only
would use a Universal Atomic Second Number (kind of UTC measured in
seconds) being transmitted continuously, and would give it's user the
opportunity to make it convert that to any calendar of his own choice
and show that on the display, using GPS to calculate correct Z .....

THAT would really ease things up and facilitate simple formulas!
And would completely skip your challenge for new Babbages or Newtons !

Regards,
Jan

--- In ISO8601@yahoogroups .com, hjwoudenberg@ ... wrote:

>
> The challenge, be the first to:
> Â· Develop formulas for all the holidays.
> Â· Develop a formula to convert calendar date to ordinal
date and
> back.
> Â· Devlope a formual to convert calendar ate to week date
and back.
> Â· Develop improvements to event algebra formulas.

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