Wayne, Please compare Babbitt (208967) to Babbitt (226784) and Babbitt (159077). Maybe Gamez is X1719/YCA=17-19 like Middlemiss (B1538), Holloway (97193),Message 1 of 93 , Sep 13View Source
Wayne, Please compare Babbitt (208967) to Babbitt (226784) and Babbitt (159077). Maybe Gamez is X1719/YCA=17-19 like Middlemiss (B1538), Holloway (97193), Holloway (96993), and Allen (60410). If that’s the case, you’d have discovered X1719/YCA=17-19 Iberian clade and the L1228 Iberian clade within just a few weeks of each other. I was thinking about P78 also turning up all L484+ and L1443+ up to now and had two thoughts from what Dr. Nordtvedt said about P78 and had two thoughts in case Gonzalez turns out not to be P78+ and Bill turns out to be L1443+ and that is that P78 apparently originated around the Czech Republic-Slovakia region a long time ago. It seems as if we wanted to look for P78+ who wouldn’t be L484 or L1443, we’d test people who list their earliest known ancestor around the Czech Republic-Slovakia region and around the Mode. Weliver/Wooliver is pretty close to the mode and is L1443+, so it would be testing others close to the mode. However, we now also have people who have tested P78+ who are close to the MIN and the MAX for P78, so a couple of them might be good too. Please let us know your thoughts? Thanks, Scott
Scott, I have not sent emails to some of the people that may live in Brazil or have Portuguese or Spanish backgrounds from the Project. I will be looking to Aaron to make contact with some of these as he administers other Projects they belong to.
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Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 3:59 AM
Subject: RE: [I-M223] Cont3 tests pending
Wayne, Thank you for all of your work on this. I’m looking forward to the results for Garcia and Fanoy because they’re very close to the P78 MAX and, if they’re P78+, it’d be good to ask them to test L484 and L1443. It’s interesting that McDonald (B1563) is testing L1443 because he’s listed in M284. It looks like the L703 Cont3a-XX and L704 Cont3a-XX1 have picked up some momentum with the Perrys, Watkins, and Wilsons and are sorting L700, L1226, and L704 out on their own now without me and I can focus on P78. It’s interesting that Chumley (199579) is testing L1228 because he’s listed in Z161. Looking forward to the L1228 for Gonzalez, Munoz, and Rego. Please compare Gamez (283776) to Cotton (173537). As we were discussing whether Olivera (N60328) may be L1228, please also consider whether Torres (N108722) also may be L1228. Then the questions would be whether Rowe (N110507), Barber (N79555), Williams (N56553), Perez-Ferreiro (80810), Wharton (6017), Costa (N82427), Pastrana (N85372), etc. are L1228, L1229, or otherwise. Please don’t hesitate to let me know if there’s anything that I can do. Thanks again for all your help, Scott
Scott, Here is a run down on Cont3 SNP tests pending and also L1228 tests pending.
P78 - kits 155821, 154462, N87122.
L1443 - 103295, B1563,
and there are those couple of L700, L1226 and a L704 as well as three each of PF6896 and PF6902
L1228 - 199579, 155821, 247485, N115430
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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:48 AM
Subject: RE: [I-M223] Re: L1443 in Cont3
Wayne, My thoughts, corresponding to your thoughts below, are:
1) L484 & L1443. We're still waiting on L1443 results for our friend Bill Ballough (103295) and P78 and L1228 results for Gonzalez (155821). Bill could be L1443- or Gonzalez could be P78. I haven't heard Aaron or a single Co-Administrator accept my hypothesis that L1443 is phyloequivalent to P78 and L484, so my understanding is that we'll select more people to ask to test L1443 and/or L484 if Bill turns out to be L1443+ and Gonzalez isn't P78, but you want the results to come in for Bill and Gonzalez before we do that and that won't be until next month at the earliest. Knowing that L1443 is phyloequivalent is better than not knowing about it, so I've been quite satisfied with our L1443 testing.
2) L1228. My understanding is that we're waiting for the P78 and L1228 results for Gonzalez (155821) before asking Pike (194314), Olivera (N60328), Costa (220257), or Munoz (247485) to test L1228. Please let us know your thoughts regarding asking Pike (194314) to test L1228 and, if he doesn't respond, asking Olivera to test L1228?
3) L700, L703, L704, PF6896, PF6902 & L1226. My understanding is that we're waiting for the L704 and L1226 results for Watkins and the PF6896 and PF6902 results for Dawes (95786) and Perry before asking anyone to test these SNPs and that won't be until next month at the earliest. The last time that I checked, FTDNA still didn't have PF6899 up for individual orders.
Please don't hesitate to let me know if there's anything that I can do. As always, thanks for all of your help with the Project, Scott
Scott, Weliver and Alshammari have both come back as L1443+. It is looking more like L1443 is another phyloequivalent SNP to P78. Very disappointing.
As for Olivera and Pike you listed below, I cannot make a call one way or the other on them both. They will need to test one, if negative, then test the other.
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Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [I-M223] Re: L1443 in Cont3
Wayne, Please let me know your thoughts on moving Olivera (N60328) up next to Pike (194314) in P78 with the question being whether Olivera (N60328) and Pike (194314) belong in P78 or L1228? Thanks, Scott
Hello Dena, I saw the Z166 ancestral (negative) result come through and was quite suprised as I did expect it to come back derived (positive). Your are correctMessage 93 of 93 , Oct 29View SourceHello Dena,I saw the Z166 ancestral (negative) result come through and was quite suprised as I did expect it to come back derived (positive). Your are correct in that you need to go back one level and test L1198.We are currently testing Harris kit 206081 for L1198 to see if this SNP is phyloequivalent with Z185 as we know he Z185+, Z166-, Z180-, Z187-. from his Geno 2.0 results.Your Uncle's 111 markers have been quite revealling too with some quite unique results for certain markers. His DYS717 = 15 is so far unique with only one other person recording anything lower the characteristic 16 for all Continental Z161 sector with a very wierd and rare 13. When you look at his markers in the colorized results page you will see those other interesting markers that differ from the modal value. It is these unique markers that will more than likely tag your Layton paternal line.Thanks for your interest and support as we all learn something about our Haplogroup each time a member expands their marker level and tests for SNPs. Good luck on your knowledge journey too.Wayne----- Original Message -----Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:43 PMSubject: Re: [I-M223] LaytonHello Wayne,Well I have results of the 111 testing. Kit 296606(My Uncle) is listed as a member of I-M223, listed in Cont1 group, you said recommended SNPs to test for are Z78 abnd L1198.In that same messge you showed the SNP branches downstream of Z183 look something like this.Z183-->CTS6433-->Z78-->Z171-->Z185-->,L1198-->Z180,Z187,Z166-->etc.etc.Soooo me being a bit of an adventurer, what I did was test for Z166. It looks like it came back as Z166-, which I think means negative. I was attempting to go downstream to what looked like the furtherest common SNP for Z78. So should I go back and follow your directions and test for L1198 first or Z78 first.I have been doing a lot of reading and searching and have ordered a couple of books from the library, as I started my trip of knowledge for this facinating subject in the basement I think I have climbed at least one step up toward the main floor. :> :>DenaFor My Uncle have also gotten the MTDNAPlus, and YDNA111 from a male cousin from my uncles mothers father. So we have my family surname and my fathers mothers father surname and fathers mothers MTDNA
On Sunday, September 15, 2013 5:42 PM, Wayne Roberts <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:Hi Dena,FTDNA makes the ordering process difficult, I sometimes think on purpose. You need to go through the process I described before but you have to select "Order Advanced Tests (not Order Advanced SNP tests).Here it is again.Upgrade" button. From the new page, scroll down and select "Order Advanced Tests". On the new page for Test Type, select SNP from the drop-down menu, page reloads, then for Marker, type in the SNP you want to order such as L1198, then click on Find. It will bring up the SNP with a price of $39 for the test. Click on Add to place it in your shopping cart. When finished, click on Next and follow through to finalise your order.Good luckWayne----- Original Message -----Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:08 AMSubject: Re: [I-M223] LaytonWayne,I was signed in and went to order an upgrade, order advanced tests. It does not show the L1198 as an optional advance test. Do I have to wait for the YDNA111 results to be complete before it will show it is available for me to order?DenaFrom: Wayne Roberts <wayne_r_roberts@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [I-M223] LaytonDena,When you log into the account for kit 296606, you will see the I-M223 Project listed. If you click on that it will take you to the Project's main page. The menu bar along the top has "Y-DNA" and from the drop-down menu you select Colorized Results. When that page opens and finished loading, change the page size to 1700 and hit return. All of the members' STR marker results will then be displayed and you can do a "Find on Page" search for 296606. There you will see his place in the Cont1 group.You may wish to wait for all the marker results to be finalised before you order any SNPs or you can order them now. Orders are batched on Wednesdays each week. There are quite long delays for some results at present so it might be wise to have the new order batched as soon as possible rather than waiting..To order a SNP, go back to the main kit account page, click on the "Order an Upgrade" button. From the new page, scroll down and select "Order Advanced Tests". On the new page for Test Type, select SNP from the drop-down menu, page reloads, then for Marker, type in the SNP you want to order such as Z78, then click on Find. It will bring up the SNP with a price of $39 for the test. Click on Add to place it in your shopping cart. Repeat the process to select another SNP such as L1198. When finished selecting, click on Next and follow through to finalise your order.Wayne----- Original Message -----Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:28 PMSubject: Re: [I-M223] LaytonOr should I wait for the rest of the 111 test results to come in? Also i don't seem to be able to see any results on the site. How do I get to the results portion on this site???thank you, DenaFrom: Wayne Roberts <wayne_r_roberts@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [I-M223] LaytonDena,Yes, kit 296606 is a member of the I-M223 Project. He is listed in Cont1 group. Recommended SNPs to test for are Z78 and L1198.The SNP branches downstream of Z183 look something like this where * means further SNPs downstream may exist.Z183 --> *Z183 --> CTS6433 --> *Z183 --> CTS6433 --> CTS661, L1272 --> *Z183 --> CTS6433 --> CTS7010, PF3292 --> *Z183 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> *Z183 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185, L1198 --> *Z183 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185, L1198 --> Z180, Z187, Z166 --> *Z183 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185, L1198 --> Z180, Z187, Z166 --> P195 --> *Z183 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185, L1198 --> Z180, Z187, Z166 --> F3195 --> *Z183 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185, L1198 --> Z180, Z187, Z166 --> Z190 --> *Z183 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185, L1198 --> Z180, Z187, Z166 --> Z190 --> Z79 --> *Z183 --> L1290, L1317 --> *Z183 --> CTS1977, ZS23 --> *Have a look at Ken's map for the CTS6433+ sectorKit 296606 is predicted somewhere downstream of Z78. He is unlikely to be on the P195 or F3195 branches. Hope this helps,Wayne----- Original Message -----Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:56 AMSubject: Re: [I-M223] L1443 in Cont3Hi Richard.Man on Man, well I clicked on the "blue hear" in your response, I read through everything and my head is swimming. You can be assured I am keeping your e-mail so I can go back to "here" often. Thank you so much.Ok, I beleive I have already joined the I-M223 group, my relative kit number is #296606.I will go back and check to see if I am a member of the group.Sincerely thank you again.Dena Layton (Jeannette is given name, Dena is nick name since I was 3 months old :>)From: DNAresults <brewerdna@...>
To: "I-M223@yahoogroups.com" <I-M223@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [I-M223] L1443 in Cont3Hi Dena,Welcome to the fascinating world of DNA and what is now called genetic genealogy. I can recommend you start by following the lesson guide by Kelly Wheaton written for folks just like you. To quote from the review by "your genetic genealogist" at . http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2013/08/kelly-wheatons-beginners-guide-to.html
The guide has received unanimously good reviews from those of us who have read it. One of the nice things about it is that it breaks the instruction into easily digestible pieces, by keeping each lesson short and concise. There are thirteen lessons so far and Kelly says that she will continue to add to it. As she was writing, Kelly had the foresight to share it with "newbies" to receive feedback and make sure that it is understandable for the beginner. This has resulted in a very easy-to-understandYou can find this wonderful guide here.I think this will get you started on a new and exciting trail. Don't hesitate to ask questions along the way -- there are usually plenty of people that can help you.You should also join the I-M223 group.Regards,Richard BrewerOn Thursday, September 5, 2013, Dena Bush wrote:Help, I am completely new to DNA testing. I had my Uncle tested Y-DNA111 and MtDnaPlus from FTDNA, Our paternal was I2b1M223. I have been told the M223 represents our SNP, Is there places I can go to read to be able to understand all the information these tests have generated?If I am asking in appropriate questions for this site, please let me know.Sincerely JD LaytonFrom: Wayne Roberts <wayne_r_roberts@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [I-M223] Re: L1443 in Cont3Scott,I believe FTDNA via their Facebook page has reassured customers that they will be continuing to provide the individual STR and SNP test services they offer at present.While there have been delays in ordered tests I think this has been due to the high demand from the various promotions and discounts. One lives in hope each day that SNP test results will be posted for members of this Project and especially for the various new SNPs.While we wait, I have been inviting FTDNA customers that show as I2b1 / I-M223 from Project members Y-DNA matches to join us. Before we embark on further SNP testing within Cont3a I would like to see some of the results for orders come through. This does not prevent members from testing for their predicted terminal SNP, be it P78, L703 or L704, if they do not have one confirmed. I have been sending out emails suggesting terminal SNP testing.I see some more marker upgrade results have come through - Torkington now has all 111 markers and some are quite interesting when compared with others that have 111 markers tested.Thanks go to Aaron, not me for those PF and other SNPs orders being placed and to Doug for those he placed.Hopefully more things will be revealed soon and we can take our next steps forward.Wayne----- Original Message -----Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 7:02 AMSubject: Re: [I-M223] Re: L1443 in Cont3Wayne, I saw the orders for PF6896 and PF6902 were placed for Dawes, so thank you very much for all of your help with them. I also heard some good news in that I believe the Perrys sua sponte on their own have ordered PF6896 and PF6902, so we finally should know more regarding where those SNPs are in the L703>L704 Sector. The last time that I checked, FTDNA still hadn't added PF6899 as an individual SNP that could be ordered as an upgrade, which leads me to inquire with you as to a rumor that I've heard that FTDNA will stop offering individual STRs and individual SNPs that can be ordered as upgrades. Please confirm that this isn’t true? If this is true, please let us know if there are other providers for these services and if we should order as quickly as possible any outstanding testing that we had planned? For example, please let us know if we should move forward now with your plan in your email below to ask Yeates and Keyes to test L700 and ask Yeates to test L1226? Thanks, Scott