Hi Paul and Aaron,
Thanks for a great explanation. While drawing the original layout I
seen hundreds of photos but as I was drawing a diesel layout it just
never occurred to me that there was nothing in the background for
servicing steam... well maybe there was... I'll have to have a look
again now that I have an idea what to look for.
paul larner wrote:
> Good morning Paul,
> I started a reply, then while digging out answers I lost the message. Will
> try again without all the quotes and just give you the skinny.
> I am surprised that there are no pictures of the large coal facilities on
> the FJ&G; probabl;y because there were none. FJ&G locomotives were fueld at
> Fonda from the beginning, later Gloversville and then also at Northville.
> The Fonda facility was located off the turntable lead drawing coal from cars
> placed on the track crossing the lead on the diamond. Coal was hand
> shovelled into the tenders until 1889 when the company put in a hoist and
> bucket system.
> 072082 RIOT – A riot on a small scale occurred at Fonda, Tuesday between the
> striking employees of the F. J. & G. R. R. Company. It grew out of the
> willing disposition of one of them to proceed with his work, being engaged
> in heaving coal into the tender of an engine. Being remonstrated with he
> refused to quit, whereupon the rest of the gang set upon him and gave him a
> severe beating.
> 101789 The F. J. & G. have put up a large crane for the loading of coal on
> their locomotives at Fonda. (DL)
> In Gloversville coaling engines was similarly ar hand job. Coal would be
> dumped or shovelled out onto the ground or into sheds then hand loaded in to
> the tenders. The round house at Gloversville was always in the same
> location. Until the building of the south roundhouse I suspect coaling was
> done south of the turntable location from the ground. LAter coaling was
> done from teh ground or from caol hoppers on a track located roughly where
> the track into the new carpenter shop (1911) lay. There was a team track
> east of that track where coal hoppers and other cars were spotted. Later,
> probably after 1911 and until the end of steam on teh FJ&G the tenders were
> filled on the track leading into the old coach house. Coal was dumped on
> the ground and shoveled, hoisted and lastly conveyored in to the tenders.
> At Northville coal was similarly hand shovelled into the tenders. Coal was
> stored in the original two stall engine house and also in a shed adjacent to
> the engine house.
> Water was taken at Fonda, Gloversville and Northville. The NYC stands were
> used at Fonda adjacent the little FJ&G yard west toward the bridge. In
> Gloversville water was first supplied by a tub system in the old round
> house. Water was pumped into the tub then flowed in to the tenders. Best I
> can determine water would be taken while standing on the tarck adjacent to
> the round house but have no pictures except one poor one of No. 4 standing
> next to the building. Northvile also used a tub system in the original
> After the fire destroyed to original Northville roundhouse, a water tower
> was erected beside the new engine house, now only a single stall. This can
> be seen in the postcard of the Northville facility titled "Train Arriving
> Sacandaga Park".
> With the building of a new roundhouse on the site of the original roundhouse
> in Gloversville the tub system was discontinued. At this time arrangements
> wer made with the city of Gloversville to supply water to a stand pipe
> located between W. Fulton Street and the crossover switch from the "Main" to
> the "Northville." This too lasted until the end of steam.
> Plans were discussed for placing a standpipe in Johnstown but nothing came
> of it. The city fathers were afraid of breaking pipes with the shutoff of
> so great a flow.
> For a short, very short, while the company may have coaled and watered (from
> the creek) engines at Broadalbin. As winter approached and there being no
> roundhouse or turntable at Broadalbin yet, the engines were soon run back to
> Gloversville for the night and presumably the trains also. This lasted just
> over a year when, in November 1896, the service was changed to the first
> train originating at, and the last train terminating at, Gloversville.
> Interestingly that pattern for the first train is the pattern that continued
> to the end of passenger service in 1956.
> There was as ahs pit at Gloversville on the coaling track. This was built
> later (near the turn of the 20th century + or - a few years) previously the
> ashes were handle from the ground. They would be placed on flat cars, taken
> out and dumped along the right of way.
> Did that answer your question? Once I get settled down here I will be
> completing my book. The first volume is supposed to be in edit now (it's a
> part time job and haven't heard back in the past couple weeks.).