Hello Sharon and All,
S.M. sent me a message
and wanted to have his
name removed so that
he couldn't be traced,
but mentioning the book's
title doesn't require
much sleuthing in order
to discover the author's
real name (Google and
discover his Karma-Seeker
site... and he's on FB too!).
Anyway, I removed one
of his posts and was trying
to edit his name out of
another but I must
have done something
wrong and his entire
post was removed.
Did he send you something
too? Maybe he's fishing
for customers because
the EK pond has been
BTW- Someone asked to
be able to join ESA and
said they had nice things
to say about Jerry Mulvin.
I approved their membership
out of curiosity, but they
will be monitored until
I can determine if their
status should be changed.
It's funny that Stefan does
"Card Reading" via phone,
yet, claims it's "not psychic."
Apparently the spiel is that
the technique he uses is
"spiritual" or maybe involves
"Quantum Physics." It kind
of reminded of the TV show
The Mentalist where Patrick
Jane states that the psychic
doesn't exist and that selling
it is just a con/scam and
that all he actually does
to 'know things' is to "pay
I didn't check to see that
Stefan had mentioned E-cult
in his links. For someone
who has the educational
credentials that he has it
makes one wonder about
his inability to connect-
the-dots and cover his
tracks. Being an H.I. for
a long period of time
either makes one more
skeptical or more delusional
Of course, one could wonder
about the same in regards to
Klemp. Except, he's in it for
the Prestige, Money, and Power.
ECKists should ask: Why isn't
the ALL KNOWING Mahanta
Aware of his wayward H.I.s?
Otherwise HK would do something
about the problem like he did
with others right? Maybe Klemp
is only "aware" when someone
informs him via a snail-mail
letter like Ford did.
The real reason for Klemp's
inattention to what his H.I.'s
are doing is that he's a fake
prophet and is in it for profit!
But, what's going on with
HK's Secret RESA Police?
Why hasn't this guy been
ferreted out, detained,
from Satsang duties and
reported to the ESC? Local
H.I.s via Internet or 'phone
tree' need to be warned
as well! Who's the RESA
now for Massachusetts?
Stefan is in Boston right?
"Sharon" brighttigress wrote:
So, another eckanborg crawls out of the woodwork, selling a book and card
readings, much like the Twitchster when he started out - so, Stefan, what are
you going to call your "path" when you get enough followers? Or don't you have
a name for it yet?
So, you're keeping your membership and HI "status" - understandable, like Jerry
Mulvin to Ford Johnson, ekult is a good source of new members. Are you afraid
to lose those initiations and return to the consciousness of a rock? And wander
for eternity in astral hell until you come crawling back to "the master"?
You don't want ECKANKAR mentioned in book reviews at Amazon? Why not? You've
got ECKANKAR at the top of your links list at your karmaseeker website.
It's so sad what 20 years in ekult does to people. I doubt very much if you
"get" what's wrong with this whole picture, with what you're doing.
I left ekult because honesty and integrity are important to me. Two qualities
which are lacking in ekult as an organization, and in so many of its members,
especially those who've been in it for many years.
"a far-reaching guidebook to contemporary spirituality" ???????
I think not.
> Hello Z and All,
> Yes, it is my understanding
> that he joined the E-cult
> in 1971.
> [sorry for the reposts]
> Was "The Lost Slipper
> of Soul" printed by
> BTW-It seems that the
> "Kip" character is the
> alter ego of the author.
> So, perhaps, HK isn't
> all that impressive
> of a "Master/Mahanta"
> for this H.I., and I'm
> thinking that he no
> longer buys into Twit's
> plagiarisms and fiction.
> IMO, Based upon the
> story line, many of us
> former long-time EK
> leaders could have
> written a similar book.
> And, one could easily
> substitute "Truth Seeker"
> for "Karma Seeker," and
> "ECKankar" for "League."
> FYI: I Googled his
> Karma-Seeker website
> where he gives "Card
> Readings" via phone.
> So, why would a person
> still be an H.I. If he
> does Card Readings?
> Here's some info on the
> book from Amazon.
> BOOK DESCRIPTION:
> "What is the true test of spirituality?
> Is it loyalty to a master, group, or
> teaching? Or is it having the courage
> to act on one's deepest convictions,
> even in the face of disapproval and
> This is the question that confronts
> Kip Morgan.
> Kip is a karma seekeran individual
> committed to testing himself by means
> of his own choices. For such people,
> who are engaged in an experiment
> with unknown forces, there is no way
> to prove that they are fit to discover
> what they seek except by doing it.
> As a young man, Kip joins the League,
> one of the burgeoning new age spiritual
> groups of the late 1960s and early 1970s.
> He learns the fundamentals of its teachings,
> which involve cultivating inner experiences
> through contemplation, dreams, and out-
> of-body experiences.
> The high point of his experience comes
> with his initiation into the League's inner
> circle, a transcendent event that significantly
> alters his view of life. It doesn't take long,
> however, before he discovers how fragile
> this experience is, and how difficult it is
> to hold on to his new state of consciousness.
> Kip embarks on a quest that takes him
> beyond the confines of the League.
> Eventually, he comes to question the
> group's claim to exclusivity, and to see
> it as merely a portal to a universal spiritual
> As he becomes less reliant on the League
> and its members for support and guidance,
> he is torn between his personal vision of
> truth and his fear of spiritual failure. This
> puts him on a collision course with the League
> President, the group's ultimate spiritual authority.
> The Karma Seeker is a far-reaching guidebook
> to contemporary spirituality. It presents the
> reader with the essential paradigm of the modern
> spiritual pathits highs and lows, its rewards
> and pitfalls. It illustrates how individuals who
> embark on such a path are tested in the areas
> of their greatest deficiency in order to build up
> their spiritual strength, all so that they may
> eventually become active participants in their
> own destiny." [end]
> "zephrendhun" wrote:
> > Dear Prom and all,
Interesting thing about this book is that its original title was
"The Lost Slipper of Soul " and I have that version. I also know
the author who is a fine enough chap but I think Stefan is still
an H.I. I believe he is an H.I. 'on the fence', so to speak. Many
H.I.'s remain in Eckrakorn, hoping that Harry the Klempster
will soon retire or die. Then they can see if they will become
the next LEM or if Harry's replacement is ok, then they will
probably continue with their delusion that Eckrakorn is a true
spiritual path and not just the cult it is. Its tough being an
individual and losing all of the friends and acquantences one
encounters in the E-cult. But their true reason for excommunicating
a long time freind is that they really have their doubts about
this crap's truth as well. Besides after being a none E-cultist
for a while, I have formed some significant friendships that
really don't give a s**t what my religious views are. The road
is lonely sometimes on one own path, but there are no lies or
delusions. Divine Source loves spiritual renegades, just check
out Jesus the Christ. Enuff said. Peace and chicken grease!
> > Zephrendhun