Hello Tygerpurr and All,
I enjoyed your "ramblings."
Now for mine. LOL!
what you mentioned about
Jewish Mysticism (Kabbalah?)
where "there are 'angels'
for every little thing."
Of course, the Romans
had "gods" for every little
And, let's not forget that
other religions promote
the belief in angels. The
"parking space" angel is
of times daily! Eckankar
promotes angels too,
which makes one wonder
why. Then, when one gives
it some thought, you realize
that it's because everyone
knows about angels. It's
like with dreams since
everyone dreams. Twit,
and now Klemp, have just
taken common topics
and exploited these in
order to sell Eckankar.
However, the topic of
group, ethnic, Nations,
and Planet consciousness
does sound more intriguing
and believable. There must,
also, be a group consciousness
within groups. Ever notice
how one Satsang Society
differs from another, or
even how a local area or
EK Center differs from
another in the same state?
Even the RESA's bulling via
their ego and individual
consciousness can't control
situations or people as much
as they try. Their excuse
for failure to control? They've
turned it over to the Mahanta
or to the ECK for the good
of the whole. This way, they
save, some, face locally,
but the ESC (Klemp's gang)
doesn't always accept failure
as being the "Will" of the Sugmad,
or of the ECK, or the Mahanta.
This is especially true when
the target is more money via
more donations, sales, and
more memberships. I knew
of one area that had fantastic
"numbers" (hundreds) for intros
and other events but it never
resulted into EK memberships.
Maybe 1 out of 100 people
and who knows (the ESC does)
if they stayed and renewed
after the first year.
Yeah, Clint Eastwood is a dick.
He's 82 so it must be dementia
among other things. He's probably
been an arse all his life. Klemp
is a dick too, and he's aging
more rapidly than Eastwood has!
As far as Romney... I think he
has Early Onset Alzheimer's.
"Where'd the water come from,
the sky, the rivers, the ocean?"
'The trees are the right height.'
"And now I'd like to introduce
the next President of the United
States, Paul Ryan!" There's more
of course and he's sounding
more like G.W. everyday. The
debates should be a lot of
interesting, but on Mitt's part
a lot of repetition without much
substance and limited response.
The fact check should be interesting.
I'm sure if Klemp had a
daily radio program we'd be
hearing some nutty things
(and lies) coming out of his
mouth. Of course that'd never
happen because Klemp is
too lazy and incompetent
to prepare for a daily radio
program, and only gives Lip
Service to being a vehicle for
the ECK like his Vahanas.
That's why everything EK is
so controlled and manipulated.
Klemp's always rehearsed,
reading off notes, and doesn't
present himself on a daily
(current) basis. He lives in
the past and not in the "NOW,"
and only comes out of his
hole every "Blue moon."
It makes one wonder why
a LEM is needed in the first
place when everything i.e.
stories, opinions, etc. "shared"
is somewhat passé by the
time it comes out in print.
When looking at the H.I.
Letter one will see group
pictures that are one year
old! I wonder if some of
those older H.I.s are still
kicking by the time the pic
is printed in the EK Pub
sent, btw, via snail mail?
Really, if Klemp wanted
to be current and in the
"now" with his flock Why
doesn't this 14th Initiate
communicate on the INNER
with, at least, his Higher
What's the excuse for not
scheduling daily group
lessons on the Inner? EKies
could just go on the EK
Internet site and check
out times and topics for
a daily group INNER class.
Nobody has dared to ask
Klemp Why there aren't
INNER CLASSES or SEMINARS.
Once again, this proves
that H.K.'s claims are all
Lip Service! Shouldn't a 5th
or a 6th Initiate be able
to do great things? Look
at the definitions for those
initiation levels in Ch. 12
of the Shariyat Book 2.
Klemp can't fulfill the
promises and claims via
real proof! Eckankar is
a Bait and Switch con
hiding behind the protections
in the Constitution, thus,
giving religions special
tax exempt status. But,
this also means that former
members can criticize them.
They've made big promises
and have blamed the individual
when their promises can't be
delivered or proven except
with an active imagination
via belief and faith.
There are all sorts of
Catch-22s with Eckankar
like: Consciousness is
won and lost in every
moment. Does that mean
that the "moments" (that
con is lost) is less often,
or less frequent, for those
with Higher Initiations?
Thus, when the Pink Slip
for promotion to the next
initiation is snail-mailed
the EKists' con(sciousness)
is "won" and is stable. And,
when they receive the initiation
from the Mahanta, via the
Initiator, that means they
are pure/stable on that level
of consciousness too right?
So, why is it that sending
out the Pink Slip and receiving
the Initiation are the only
two "moments" that their
Higher Spiritual "Consciousness"
It is interesting. People who have had near death experiences may have an
experience that fits their culture or beliefs. And some who have had strokes on
the left side of the brain experience Bliss. there's a good book written by a
Neuroscientist called "Stroke of Insight" about her personal experience with
I was reading a book recently "Jew in the Lotus", in which an explanation
of Jewish Mysticism is explained to the Dalia Lama, and there are "angels" for
every little thing, as well as group consciousness, ethnic consciousness,
Nations, the Planet and so on. Who knows?
On the one hand I think we see our projections a lot. I talk to someone
on the phone whom I haven't met and for some reason I visualize them
as thin, but when I meet them they are pretty meaty and their personality
is much kinder than their phone personality. Even there, I am making all
kinds of assumptions about them. In reality, it often takes a long time to
really know what someone is really like.
We see movie stars and celebrities a lot in media and we get this false sense
that we know them on some intimate level. Who would have thought that Clint
Eastwood was such a ding bat ass. : ) In person I may like him even, that is
until I got to know him better.
I still like the idea of programming my dreams, but now it is more fun and my
focus is on compassion and working through life stuff, at least that is my plan.
What really happens is so much below conscious awareness, I think. I am just
trying to heal. Sometimes I have dreams that hint of things that do happen a
week or two latter. Maybe it's Jung's Collective Unconscious or something like
that. I try to not take it to seriously, but that's not really true. I take some
of this too seriously. I'm also too hard on myself still. Compassion is what I
keep coming back to. I resist my being too much sometimes and then I resist
resisting, so then I just let it be and sometimes there is a shift, and a sense
of ease. Not every day is a good day or a bad day.
Tonight I will allow for my own wise compassionate being to accompany, even if
it is in the form of my cat that passed away a few years ago. I don't really
care for authoritarian "masters".
well sorry for the rambling and I wish everyone pleasant dreams.
Tygerpurr ; )
> This is not my belief
> but I thought I'd share
> it From the Files:
> "Like all worlds, the emotional consists of three basically different kinds of
matter: involvatory matter (primary matter), involutionary matter (secondary
matter), and evolutionary matter (tertiary and quaternary matter). Involvatory
matter lacks consciousness, involutionary matter possesses actualized passive
consciousness, and evolutionary matter has active consciousness.
> The primary matter of the emotional world acts as a blind force. The secondary
matter of the emotional world makes conception, emotion, imagination possible,
with a rational content that varies according to the percentage of mental atoms
in emotional molecules and the percentages of the molecular kinds in the
> All involutionary matter (atoms and molecules) has passive consciousness. When
man "thinks", his imagination shapes elementals in emotional matter, emotional
material forms, live emotional beings with activated emotional consciousness,
corresponding to consciousness in that thought which formed them. The lifetime
of these beings depends on the degree of the emotional energy that produced
them. As a rule this lasts for a minute or so, whereupon the form dissolves and
the emotional molecules return to their original states.
> It is involutionary matter, with its delusive life-forms, that men take for
permanent reality and that is the ground and cause of the illusions of mankind.
> As a term of world 48 the "emotional world" is to be preferred to the usual,
the "astral world", since the emotional forms largely composing that world are
shaped by human emotional consciousness.
> A man with a sufficiently strong imagination studies a legend of a saint and
enters into the life of that saint. So he unconsciously constructs such a saint
in the emotional world and will meet him when he has "passed on"."
> page 7 The Way of Man by Henry T. Laurency
> "In the emotional world there are live replicas of all beings that men
"worship". All historical personages are found there in live emotional replicas,
which the ignorant take for genuine. Being robots, they say what you know they
said in the physical world. The majority of true believers have, under the
influence of religious, spiritualist, yogic, etc. fictitious systems,
unwittingly shaped a "divine form" or a "master" or a "guide" in the emotional
world; generally a new form in each incarnation. In many cases, these emotional
forms have been taken over by people in the emotional world who think they are
able to help in this way."
> page 27 The Way of Man by Henry T. Laurency
> "The greatest perplexing factor, however, is the fact that the emotional world
is the particular world of desires. Everything emotional, all desires and
expectations (also unconscious ones) immediately assume concrete forms in
emotional matter. It is unavoidable that the clairvoyant takes those emotional
forms for enduring reality. In the emotional world the religious see their gods,
masters, spiritual guides. In that world you have all your preconceived opinions
confirmed. For you see that they are realities, and your belief in them is even
> page 18 The Explanation by Lars Adelskogh