Hello Etznab and All,
Yes, it seems that Twit
and ECKankar (Klemp)
want it both ways when
it comes to religious dogma
Astral/Psychic or God World
Projection by various imagined
"bodies" and actual Physical
Travel via space craft (UFOs
BTW- How can a person do
"Astral Travel" in a flying saucer/
UFO? Doesn't this require an
Astral Body? Why does one
need a space craft if they can
Astral travel or is this like lucid
dreaming where you can dream
up whatever is needed?
Here's the problem. ECKankar
can't even prove Rebazar exists
and he's supposed to have a
physical body and been around
for over 500 years! Where is he?
In your dreams? Why? He's got
a real physical body right? Where
is he? It's not a belief of faith
right? So why doesn't he fly in or
"project" himself to EK Seminars
for, at least, H.I.s to see and hear?
It's never happened and never
will. ECKists are more likely
to see the Easter Bunny at an
ECK Seminar than Rebazar!
And, what "Plane" would a
person be coming from who
does actual time travel or is
from a parallel universe? It's
the Physical Plane! Otherwise
it's mental plane and imaginary!
If one has a physical body
and is traveling in time
from one physical place
(planet) to another physical
place (planet) why is this
a "spiritual" event and
of higher consciousness?
Is higher intellect and
greater technology the
same as having higher
consciousness like God
Realization? Not according
Another article on topic. SPACE TRAVEL BY OUT-OF-THE-BODY PROJECTION - Paul
Twitchell, Introduction to Eckankar, 1966. (Venus is mentioned on p. 46)
> Recently saw article by Paul Twitchell from The New Cosmic Star, dated
February 1968, entitled: UFO's Are Visitors from Astral Plane.
> Quoting excerpt from article:
> "The logical explanation for UFO's is that they are not visitors from outer
space, secret developments by any government, nor the result of mass hysteria.
They are perfectly natural astral projections of the psychic world."
> Maybe it's just me, but I'm curious about why Eckankar teachings like to have
it both ways. For example, I've heard talk by Harold Klemp and others (in so
many words) suggesting UFO's are not space aliens so much as they are from the
psychic, etc. It sounds to me a little like denial about visitors from other
planets and outer space. However, I can't see denial after considering stories
about Gakko, or about Eckankar, from Venus. I can't see denial after considering
all those races from other planets mentioned by Paul Twitchell in The ECK-Vidya,
Ancient Science of Prophecy book (Some of them supposed to come take over planet
Earth in the future).
> Surely the Eckankar writings are replete with stories about people and races
of people from other planets, aren't they? So it kind of throws me for a loop
when UFO's are associated with the Astral and psychic planes. Maybe the message
is only that "the majority" of UFO experiences are not "real" aliens, but
psychic plane and imagination?
> Any thoughts about what is the answer? Like (so far as what Paul Twitchell and
Eckankar wrote), is it both?
> The New Cosmic Star article link is here.