I thought I'd give this its own thread
and add some additional observations.
It's funny how ECKists just accept
Klemp's bullshit and don't look
at the deeper/overall ramifications
and perspectives. ECKists (religionists)
are very narrow-minded, but that's
why it works so well.
For instance, the ECKist writing this
"Ask the Master" question is having
Klemp verify that he instructed ECKists
to go into the "Inner" Planes and
"invite" people to ECK functions...
like the EWS. Klemp states it like this:
"You are extending an invitation for
a guest to visit your home..."
However, are ECKists permitted to
go to a stranger's house and to their
door in order to "invite people to their
home?" Are ECKists permitted to hang
a brochure on the door knob? Are
ECKists permitted to phone people
they find in the phone book? After
all, if someone is listed that means
it's okay to call them right? No, of
course not! Are ECKists permitted
to approach strangers on the street
and invite them to an ECK Worship
Service (EWS)? No, again!
Why don't ECKists see through
this flim-flam? It's because they've
been indoctrinated over years and
years to accept anything Klemp
tells them because he is "the Master"
and they aren't and will never be
except in a pretend future world.
And, because ECKists want and
need to believe this crap in order
to live in this world and make sense
of their life. This is How and Why
Religions work so well. It is a mental
numbing/dumbing down of one's
faculties in order to alleviate (mostly)
the fear of death and to explain the
For some strange reason Klemp
thinks it's okay to have ECKists,
supposedly, go into the consciousness
(or dreams) of strangers and impose
their will, thoughts, beliefs, and
desires disguised as an "invitation."
Sure, the unsuspecting strangers
can say No if asked directly (consciously),
but are they even aware that this
"inner" meeting and/or conversation
Plus, isn't it strange that Klemp
has his chelas and H.I.s doing his
dirty work for him? Then again,
who's accumulating the Karma
for violating the Law of Noninterference
and for using Black Magic and
psychic attacks or manipulations
upon unsuspecting strangers...
It's not the Teflon Mahanta!
Of course, this "inner invitation"
thing et al is all hypothetical.
It amounts to religious voo-doo
and dogma, as well as, psychic
superstition and imagination
that ECKists, or anyone, have
the ability to influence someone
on the "inner." Subliminal messages
are one thing, but for any ECK
chela to be able to go into anyone's
subconscious via the "inner"
planes is pure fantasy.
However, this is one of the traps
of religion. It's a pretend world
where the "inner" and "outer"
desires of deluded followers are
manifested with mostly negative
but sometimes positive results.
It's both a trap and a test for Soul.
Those who see through the trap
pass the test in order to continue
Soul's truer/higher Journey and
Destiny. It's about Spiritual Freedom,
Responsibility, and Self Mastery.
Thus, we now return to Klemp's
negative (and delusional) instructions
to his chelas and H.I.s... that it's
okay to invade someone else's
Klemp's plan: This whole thing is
simply another way to perpetuate
the scam of religion and of ECKankar
and of the Mahanta's Powers and
Authority... that "there are inner
workings taking place." It's like
religious magic... but it's tricking
people and is yet another distraction
and a slight-of-hand bait and switch.
Klemp is the real Black Magician
as he points his finger at others
for stealing some of his thunder.
What kind of a Mahanta is he?
Well, he's a phony of course, but
HK has to maintain his control
of the wannabes that are standing-
in-line and still paying that annual
membership donation/fee... unless
they're life members... who are
still required to renew annually...
another control tactic of Klemp's
that is accepted because ECKists
are not permitted to question HK's
policies... it's called Second Guessing
the Mahanta... and that's bad!
But, isn't Klemp on the outer, lower
planes just like the rest of us? He's
the imperfect LEM! Thus, why can't
his policies and opinions be questioned?
It's all about maintaing power and
control and the illusion. On one level
he rationalizes his role by telling himself
that he's giving back and giving people
what they need... hope. On another
level Klemp enjoys playing his role
and of being worshipped and placed
upon a pedestal and having the power
over others that he uses and abuses.
As a kid and young man Klemp was
a whinny loser until he, eventually,
positioned himself at the ESC under
the 972nd LEM, Darwin Gross. HK
then suckered Darwin into thinking
that he was a team player and could
be happy with being the second banana
in the act. Darwin hadn't known that
Klemp was previously in a Mental
Institution and learned how to "play-
the-game" in order to be released
early. This "game playing" experience
benefitted Klemp in tricking Darwin
to trust him with their agreement
that was discussed in the photo
Sound Proof Dark Room at the ESC
where Klemp worked. Why doesn't
this room, where transition plans
were made, that blocks out Light
and Sound Not bother ECKists?
All of this and yet ECKists cling
to the lie. Why are these ECKists,
who claim (secretly) to be "advanced"
Souls, so desperate and needy?
It's somewhat puzzling. But, the
higher one goes up the success/
initiation ladder the longer they
have to assimilate. The indoctrination
takes away their individuality
because to be successful they
have to become narrow-minded
followers... and, like in the military,
the good soldiers (H.I.s) never
question orders... even the stupid
Thus, H.I.s have trapped themselves
by finding purpose and busy work
in order to feel good since they don't
have any real spiritual/inner growth
in consciousness. The EK initiations
are not yardsticks to consciousness
when Klemp has to chastise these
same H.I.s that he's promoted.
Religion is simply wishful thinking
and a placebo. But enough of this
rant. Maybe some of it got through
to a handful of ECKists and they will
share their concerns with others.
Perhaps common sense will win out
and there are a few ECKists reading
this still capable of connecting the dots.
Klemp: "Both Can Be Positive"
In the June 2010 Mystic World
Ask the Master is this Q&A by
an Unknown ECKist:
Q: "In your story of the ecotour
guide from your 2008 talk "The
Tensions of Living," YOU GIVE
PERMISSION to invite seekers
on the inner (or that is how
I understood it).
And I have been doing that. For
me, it seems like I am opening
my heart with this inner invitation."
[P]: Why do ECKists need permission
from Klemp for doing the obvious
or for doing anything? Are they
that afraid and unsure? Yes! And
if they aren't Klemp will get them
back on track!
Besides, this is an old technique
(inviting non-ECKists via the inner).
But, it doesn't work! Most Satsang
Societies have always had poor
newcomer attendance results.
If Klemp was a true Mahanta/God
he would be bringing them in.
But, look at the number of Newcomers
at any ECK Worldwide Seminar
(about 100 or so people and
many of these are repeats or
relatives). Whose fault is that?
Plus, this "feeling" that comes
about by opening the Astral
Heart Charka is normal/natural
when one becomes introspective
"In the June 2007 Mystic World,
you write that "the inner is for
the inner, and the outer is for
Can you help me understand?
Is it an opening of my heart?"
[P] First, the "inner" is Not for the
inner only and the "outer" is not
for the outer only. According to
EK dogma doesn't the Astral,
Causal, and Mental Planes all
function as both Outer and Inner?
Isn't this true of the consciousness
from higher planes as well? However,
I have to admit that these "Planes"
with numbers and names, rulers,
etc. seem like just another religious
trap with imagined/mental fantasies.
I do feel sorry for this young,
naive, and confused ECKist having
to ask Klemp for an ekplanation
and doing so via a snail-mail letter.
Apparently Klemp feels the need
to share his correspondence/instructions
with other equally confused ECKists
via the Outer versus the Inner.
Klemp's answer [my caps and bracketed
"The first [the 2008 talk] opens a door,
while the second [the 2007 article] addresses
the Restrictions that Some would Impose
Both can be positive."
[Recap: 2008 talk, permission given to
invite people on the inner; 2007 article,
inner is inner, outer is outer.]
[P]: Is everyone just a bit confused?
Is it that "both" the "outer" and "inner"
can be "positive" as well? Plus, isn't
being "positive" a lower plane desire
and perspective since one is not being
neutral? Aren't ECKists supposed to
be neutral and detached versus seeking
Why do ECKists need to invite people
on the inner? Let Spirit (the ECK) do
it for It's Mahanta, or let the Mahanta
invite them! Isn't inviting newcomers
on the inner just another form of prayer
and of manipulating people on a psychic
Klemp: "However, the misuse of the
second is more common. In this, an
individual generally acts mainly on the
outer, saying in effect, to another,
'I got this on the inner that you should...'
It is a control factor."
[P]: So having ECKists get specific "outer"
instructions from Klemp for what they
can and can't do on both the Outer and
the Inner Planes isn't "a control factor?"
Klemp: "The speaker is posing as a
demigod, at the expense of another.
It is like saying, 'I have a direct line
to the Mahanta; you don't. Not to
worry, though. I'll be your go-between
with the Master.' Call it Black Magic,
for that is all it is."
[P]: Apparently Klemp is the only one
qualified to be a "demigod." LOL!
See, this is what religion does. There
always has to be a "go-between" for
Soul and/or Spirit/God. And, see how
Klemp throws out the term "Black Magic"
to scare, threaten and control those
ECKists who are discovering their own
divinity outside of HK's religious confines.
Klemp: "The first surely demonstrates
an opening of your heart. You are
extending an invitation for a guest
to visit your home, and the recipient
feels free to accept or to reject it."
[P]: Apparently the ECK Law of Non-
interference doesn't apply to Vahanas
or to bringing in newcomers ($$$).
True, people can reject the invitation
but aren't they influenced and tricked
unjustly and covertly (and without
permission) in their dreams on the
BTW- Why doesn't the All Knowing
and All Powerful Mahanta do his part?
Is it because of HK's Catch-22 rule
that failure and low turnouts can only
be blamed on others for their lack of:
faith; belief; trust, consciousness; or
for some other wrong doing?
The Teflon Mahanta (Klemp) always
seems to escape responsibility.