Hello postekcon and All,
I agree that the older female
Eckists do most of the busy
work and planning and are
more involved with keeping
the Satsangs running than
their male counterparts.
Keeping busy and stressed
out with spreading the "word"
is how EKists get recognized
for approval for that next
And, each local Satsang
has cliques. H.I.s are one
clique with "participating"
Clerics and ESAs. The 7ths
have their own clique.
After that is the clique
of "participating" chelas
who are Satsang coordinators
and active volunteers with
The H.I.s who are 5ths and 6ths
still have a lot more to do and
many more years to put in before
they hit the glass ceiling of the
After many years of being a
7th there's hope for getting
the 8th, but not under Klemp,
unless, someone dies.
That's why most 7ths imagine
they are 8ths on the "Inner"
and the 8ths imagine they are
9ths on the "inner" and the 9ths
imagine that they are.... and
so it goes... forever being
unfulfilled with more and more
Not until leaving Eckankar
did I realize how stressful
it all was. Now, there is no
more stress with obligations
of "service." And, I have a
much clearer perspective
with expanded insights that
were being blocked by the
desires of wanting more and
higher initiations which equates
to having higher consciousness.
This freedom from these desires
feels as though the weight
of the world was lifted from
my shoulders. True Contentment
has finally been experienced,
although, it does come and
go from time-to-time, but
at least, now, it has become
a familiar insight.
And, after EK, there's no having
to watch what one says about
the problems within the org.
That keeping "silent" and "surrender"
of Thy Will versus Klemp's no
longer applies. And, there's no
more reporting to the RESA on
those who didn't tow the line.
Personally, it was always difficult
trying to "correct" H.I.s and especially
chelas in regard to following the
guidelines because of having to
use "kid gloves" with them and
not hurt their feelings (egos) or
turn them off to volunteering
by being too strict.
If Eckists quit volunteering or
pulled back from taking on more
responsibilities with that meant
we (the leaders) had to do more
of the heavy lifting. This is why
making it "fun" or a "service" of
"love" to the Mahanta was needed
to inspire chelas to stay on and
to do more. Plus, there's that
goal of becoming: a 5th; a Cleric;
a 6th; an Initiator; an ESA; a 7th;
a RESA; an 8th.
Look at the long-term planning
and advanced notice it takes
to do the EK Newsletter or an
EK Regional Seminar! There are
Intros and the EWS and Satsang
classes and Book Discussions
and Round Tables and Business
Meetings and Chela meetings
and HU Chants and Open Houses,
etc., etc.... All busy work for
Klemp's benefit because this
"outflow" isn't returned to Eckists
via more initiations ("inflow").
Initiations were "Slowed Down"
long ago. So, until they are
"Speeded Up" why should
Eckists spend the extra time
and/or extra money promoting
Eckankar? Many long-time 7ths
believe that word of mouth is
Anyway, the expanded PR
effort is why "trainings" were/
are needed, except, there's
no follow-up or pass/fail
BTW- I can't see how any
Eckist can ever experience
"contentment" when they have
so many earthly obligations
PLUS those added on by Klemp's
Maybe after their kids have
grown older or have left home
these female EK leaders have
more free time to do more
for Klemp in order to maintain
their 7ths, except, by now
they're pretty much burned
out! Why are women always
expected to do more by/for
men, but aren't given the respect?
What's the "real" reason that
a female can't become the
LEM? Does anyone really believe
the B.S. "negative atom" excuse!
If any gender is "negative" and
shouldn't be in-charge it's men!
Anyway, this is how HK's
hierarchy/pecking order works
its magic on H.I.s' egos. It's
a limited time offer for EKists
to get as high as they can by
not letting their expectations
and desires get in the way.
Thus, Eckists have to maintain
their "feel good" delusions
"as if" Klemp is actually who
and what he and Twitchell have
claimed. This is why religions
"work" for so many people!
However, the ECK religion has
two very different paths. One is
for males and one is for females!
And, if Soul doesn't have a gender
why is there only one Female EK
Ekult has a very interesting
past, but does it have any future?
For several years as a private
joke, I would describe ekult as
an organization in its 'menopausal'
years, simply because it failed
to successfully reproduce itself,
for the survival of its species! LOL
Recently I researched Alexa (web
information company) for traffic
ranking for eckankar.org website,
and was interested to see my
assessment correct. If you click
Demographics tap for eckankar.org,
they clearly show how 18-44 year
olds are under-represented (relative
to the general internet population)
whereas 55-65+ age groups are
greatly over-represented. Likewise
there is also a gender gap where
females are greatly over-represented
and males under-represented.
So for ekult, the likelihood of these
55-65+ year old females successfully
recruiting younger members is slim
to zero, especially when you weight
up that most of these devoted golden
oldies failed to pass it on even to their
own offspring (to adulthood)! LOL
So an interesting question might be,
how many more years can ekult run
before collapse? If we remember our
own early years in ekult, it was mostly
the 20-40 year olds who had the energy
to be successful promoters! Alexa info
For the past few years I've made
a study to try to understand why
so many of ekult's long-time
members are still practicing?
And I've come to this conclusion.
These 'devoted' folks are so busy putting
on meetings and events for ekult, when
their 'mystic world' and 'hi letter' arrive
in the mail (quarterly newsletters for
members) they have no time to study
them! The consequence of this is dire
for ekult! Because the movement they're
promoting to their new members is
actually the ekult to which they themselves
were once attracted, but which is
now some 20-30 years out-of-date!
However by way of contrast, the new
members they've recruited ARE studying
the `mystic world' and after they've
received and studied several issues
they reach an important and decisive
conclusion and it is this - that nothing
adds-up! To elaborate further still, if
the new members are studying both
the 'mystic world' and a discourse
series, it can seem to them like they
are studying two different paths? But
more important still, the ekult they
read about in the `mystic world'
is not the one to which they agreed
Anomalies are too numerous to mention.
One obvious one, by way of example,
is where PT taught how it was good to
be born in a religion, but not good to
die there. How can this ever equate with
HKs version of ekult, as on fundamental
levels they're diametrically opposed?
And so as I've observed these confused
new members leave ekult after only
a short period of time. But the golden
oldies, their recruiters have no understanding
as to the real reasons why and blame
themselves for failure!