I just thought I'd bring this back up. After looking
at a copy of the H.I. Letter sent to me I'm amazed
to see that it has No spiritual value for H.I.s. It's
mostly just testimonials and sales promotion of
> Hi, Non ekster and All!
> I liked your question and thought it was important!
> When we former eckists criticize the scamming wheelings
> and dealings of eckankar, I think our comments are more
> relevant having been there and done that. For myself, I
> don't like to own up to making mistakes such as falling
> for the scam of eckankar and wasting so much time and
> money, but I can do it easily enough anyway. I don't view
> myself as infallible or feel that my ego is like a runaway
> train that I can't admit mistakes.
> I think that many of the old time h.i. eckists have a huge
> problem with ego that prevents them from walking away
> from the scam. They'd feel too foolish. I think Prometheus
> mentioned ego in one of his recent posts. And then there
> are the chelas that have gone even beyond ego into the
> dimensions of deep delusion. They function in society
> well enough to stay out of the mental institutions, even
> maintain employment (but some seem to struggle at holding
> jobs which makes me suspect that their delusional behavior
> is a problem) and appear okay on the surface. When they
> begin to speak though--their spin on eckankar and the
> mahanta, well, then outsiders can see there is something
> not quite right. Because they feign being "nice" in order to
> try to lure others into eckankar (doing the mahanta's bidding),
> they are usually tolerated, but yet viewed skeptically.
> The U.S. is very tolerate of religion, so eckankar is a bit
> accepted as a "to each his own" religious belief system. Eckankar
> flies under the radar of public scrutiny because of its low
> membership and because it doesn't make a lot of noise! LOL!
> Yet, Klemp and Company are able to scam enough folowers
> to keep the coffers full and allow themselves a nice life.
> It doesn't matter so much about the deeply entrenched eckists,
> but if ESA can help some to leave the org and to keep others,
> newbies and younger members, from joining--well, I am
> very happy to state that I did some nutty things as a member
> of eckankar! : )
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "Non ekster" <eckchains@>
> > After reading these responses, I must admit that I unwittingly put you
> > on the spot. I too have done many interesting and weird things in the
> > name of religion, but especially the New Age religions because I
> > thought I was escaping to a greater freedom. I basically quit eckankar
> > when Klemp came on the scene, but even before that I had problems with
> > the pictures, but also had a very active imagination and felt that
> > somehow I was more special than everyone else in the normal world. In
> > fact, I was so deluded, that when Nixon resigned rather than be
> > impeached, I came very close to sending him a letter about eckankar as
> > the truth beyond any illusion on earth like blah, blah, blah.... lol
> > My eck family still carries around the eck master photo and it creeps
> > me out. It's actually worse than organized religion. It's a photo of
> > an idiot wasting the members money. If they at least had an eck
> > charity to actually help people ....
> > I don't know how to help. I want to help, but it seems that after so
> > much time, the level of dejected delusion is so entrenched that it is
> > hopeless. It's that Higher Initiate VANITY, Holier than thou crap. All
> > I get is the silent treatment.
> > nonekster ; )
> > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
> > <prometheus_973@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Re: Just wondering
> > Hi All,
> > Okay, I admit that I carried a B&W pic
> > of PT and one B&W and one color pic
> > of Harry in my wallet. I had a pic of Harry
> > on my desk at work and had a pic of HK
> > in each vehicle. I had one large and one
> > small pic of PT at home, as well as, one
> > small and two large pics of HK (official
> > photo and another). I also had the
> > portraits of the fictional EK Masters at
> > home.
> > A Black Magician (HK) uses these pics
> > to get their foot in the door to one's
> > subconscious mind. This is Why Klemp
> > had his Master's (Darwin Gross) pictures
> > taken down at EK Centers.
> > I admit I was hopeful and gullible and
> > thought Klemp might be a real Master
> > until I discovered that he wasn't and that
> > the Higher Consciousness of Higher EK
> > Initiations (via observation) are false.
> > Klemp is full of Religious Lower Plane
> > double talk and his books have No spiritual
> > or unique substance.
> > Prometheus
> > "Non ekster" wrote:
> > How many of you carried around a picture
> > of Harold Klemp with you when you were an
> > eckist?
> > Mish wrote:
> > I had pics of the idiot in my home and also
> > the imaginary eck masters, etc--but I didn't
> > carry any of those around with me, not even
> > in my car! But how nutty is that, not to mention
> > stupid? LOL!