Hi Mish and All,
I thought I'd bring back Mish's comments on the
subject of Marman's book.
I've noticed some interesting patterns with Marman:
1) There seems to be an obsession with everything
2) There is, also, an obsession with everything
involving Rumi, although, Rumi was Not an ECK Master
according to Klemp. And, Rumi is Not listed in the
Shariyat. Klemp supports Doug's obsession with Rumi
as a means of placating (manipulating & controlling)
3) Marman has the need to always get in the last
word and can never admit that he has been wrong
with his assumptions and speculations.
4) Marman has his own "personal" views that differ
from what Klemp and ECKANKAR teach. It is
unusual that Klemp tolerates this, therefore, we
must assume that Klemp fears the repercussions
of disciplining DM as HK did with Ford Johnson.
5) Marman uses questionable authority figures and
Former (high profile) ECKists to support his hidden
agenda to revive the "undiscovered" or newly reinterpreted
teachings of Twitchell... the founder of ECKANKAR.
6) Marman's reasoning processes and use of logic
are askewed due a number of factors which include
the making of erroneous assumptions by speculating
on sketchy information that Marman refers to as "fact."
7) Marman, also, views almost everything that cannot
be experienced or "known" directly (in his opinion) as
Myth. This includes the EK initiations, God-Realization,
Rebazar Tarzs, and the Holocaust!
As I've stated before... Ford should have used Marman's
approach. If he had he would still be an ECKist insider and
Klemp would "still" be handling Ford with kid gloves and
tolerating him as HK has with Marman.
Ford could, also, have used the anti-ECKANKAR David Lane
(like Doug has) in forums on Internet sites and in books
as a means, or as an excuse, in order to bring out his
own version of the Truth and to express his own views
and opinions in what "appears" to be an adversarial
I only wonder... Who gave Doug this idea in the first place?
BTW- I "snipped" much of the following post in order
to condense Mish's insightful opinions.
It seems that Steve R would like us to believe that he is
interested in reading Doug Marman's new book after
all! Here's Steve R's reply to Michael concerning "The
Whole Truth", post # 60882 from HU-Chat, posted on
Aug. 26, 2007. Steve explains that Doug's book gives
credence to the eck teachings and history while Harold
Klemp, who is listed in the International Who's Who of
Intellectuals Ninth Edition, fails to do this with his eck
books? So while reading this consider that Steve R is
saying that Marman is the better writer and that he knows
more than the living eck master/mahanta! LOL! I love
these spins that H.I.'s like Steve R conjure up in defending
the eck teachings and making the fake religion with all its
controversy more easy to swallow by the gullible chelas.
As to the Steve R being unable to afford to spend $20 for
Marman's book delaying his purchase right now, well,
perhaps, if Steve truly wanted to read the book, all he would
need to do is not buy his one week supply of Krispy Krème
donuts. He'd probably have more than enough money to
buy the book! : )
Harold Klemp's books (and other authors of eck books)
fail the test in academic circles yet Klemp is listed in the
International Who's Who of Intellectuals? Certainly, Harold
Klemp cannot write worth a damn, but I didn't think a high
profile H.I. like Steve R would actually say this on a BB! It
seems like Steve R is stumbling around all over the place
perhaps, he's the one who should have let sleeping dogs lie! : )
So, it seems some view Doug's new book as re-opening of a
can of worms. Some see it as going back to square one in the
debates with David Lane and of course, this will focus once
again seekers' attentions onto the controversial arguments
regarding the scam, lies and deceit that is all a big part of the
made-up fake religion called eckankar! I think that Klemp is
not so happy with Doug Marman right now as it surely brings
back all the old discussions that are still easily found in searches
on the Internet! Klemp just can't control the big world of
Cyberspace even though Klemp has stated in his book "Those
Wonderful ECK Masters," that as the Mahanta, "he is the highest
state of consciousness known to the chronicles of mankind." LOL!
As Steve R. suggested, it would be better to let sleeping dogs
lie regarding David Lane for sure, and especially Ford Johnson
(a former RESA and spokesman for eckankar), as well! : )
So in answer to the question: "Why aren't there Current High
Profile ECKists supporting Marman's book . . . ?"
The answer is Doug M. not only questions the factual
existence of Rebazar, but he has also stated that the eck
initiations are mostly myth. One can go to the Links page on
this site and look at the first link to read Doug's comments on
these subjects. And as some eckists suggest they'd rather let
sleeping dogs lie (David Lane & Ford Johnson). And finally, Doug
is not following Klemp's point of view regarding PT's half truths--
Doug is contradicting the present mahanta's spin! How dare
he do that! : )