I had to do a correction on this date for the H.I. Meeting
involving Darwin Gross, etc.- it was 10/22/1983. Anyway,
check out this 1st LINK (LINKS in left column) and read this
very interesting information on early Eckankar and Klemp's
"then" spiritual position, promises, thinking, and speech
when compared with today's!
BTW- There was some confusion on this date because this
same information is repeated further down with a 1984 date.
The mistake was made because the date was punched out when
this page was placed into a notebook.
> prometheus wrote:
> > Hi Mish,
> > The first LINK listed on this ESA site is one that all
> > ECKists really should explore thoroughly. One can
> > scroll down to HK's speech at the 10/22/1983 H.I.
> > Meeting in order to read and compare then and now.
> > Page 05 is especially interesting because Klemp is
> > mentioning the Inner Hierarchy (without mention of
> > the Mahanta) and mentions the newly created outer
> > hierarchy. I thought the "outer hierarchy" had always
> > existed... as above so below and all of that crap!
> > [BTW, HK mentions Sat Nam as part of the inner hierarchy
> > in his speech, but excludes Sat Nam from the listing in
> > the "spiritual hierarchy" definition in his (HK's) Lexicon.]
> > How can the Mahanta (the highest CONsciousness ever)
> > overlook these little details?! Because he's a phoney!
> > Klemp even mentions that Darwin was giving the 5th
> > Initiation after the 5th year of study and that HK was
> > going to input info on each chela via computer programs,
> > and use more criteria to track initiations, and slow them
> > down! Of course, Klemp benefited from Darwin's initiation
> > policy and received all of his Higher Initiations from Gross!
> > Go to the "LINKS" in the column to the Left and click on the
> > first one at the Top of the Page.
> > I wonder how many "FREE THINKING" ECKists will be able to
> > look at this information? Not many I would guess!
> > Prometheus
> > mish wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's one definition I found for Freethinker. It really is a test
> > > when we are so inundated with all kinds of news and commentaries
> > > on what is going on in the world around us, and to figure out what
> > > our purpose and reason for being is! It's a big job to form our own
> > > opinions and belief systems independent of what we learn from
> > > others. It is so much easier to hook on to another's religious dogma
> > > and pay membership dues and jump through hoops of all sorts.
> > > It is so much easier not to think for oneself! : )
> > >
> > > Freethinker: "One who forms opinions on the basis of reason
> > > independent of authority; especially one who doubts or denies
> > > religious dogma."
> > >
> > > As has been posted by others, QUESTION AUTHORITY and THINK FOR
> > > YOURSELF! Beware of gurus and know-it-alls!
> > >
> > > Mish
> > >