I just had some comments on what you wrote.
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
>For me, there is a balance and a co-existence of these kinds
of "conspiracy" experiences, and real "spiritual" experiences.
Having had both types of experiences, I think that they both can be
valid and have a place in understanding the world that we live in.
I'm not quite sure what "conspiracy" experiences you are talking
about unless it is a UFO one that some "government" agency is
>I understand that it is very easy for people to be very unbalanced
when it comes to the "conspiracy-like" topics, and to go off of the
deep end into the seemingly ridiculous very easily. However, this
tendency in the "conspiracy following" people does not necessarily
invalidate all of the theories that they are exploring.
No it doesn't invalidate "all" of the theories, but let's use some
common sense too. However, there are many conspiracies taking place
within families, local governments, state governments, small
businesses, large corporations and departments and agencies within
world governments. People just naturally manipulate information and
make plans that benefit one group over another (people conspire!).
It's what the ego and group consciousness does.
> For example, as a native New Yorker, with friends in the NYPD, and
the FDNY, I can tell you that it is not just the New Age conspiracy
folks that are very suspicious about what really happened on 9/11.
There is a large coalition of Fire Fighters, Policemen (some of the
Police and Firemen were actually on the scene on 9/11, or lost
friends and family that day), Building Engineers, Veteran Combat
Pilots, etc. that are suing the entire Bush administration to try
and force them to reopen the 9/11 investigation. They are doing this
because of how many holes and inconsistencies these professionals
feel exist in the official explanation of what happened that day. We
can't just dismiss all of these educated professionals as imbalanced
just because what they are saying doesn't fit with the mass media's
version of the story. That would be dangerously short sighted of us
if we did.
It's true that the Bush administration and most likely the New York
state, city and county government leaders and department heads don't
want certain information to be known. But, that is because it would
show their own incompetence, criminal neglect and civil liability in
regard to holes in security, budget cuts that compromised safety,
not following up leads, poor communications, not having a plan, not
enforcing building codes, etc., etc., etc. And, nothing much has
been done to correct future problems. There was nothing more than
that. It's no wonder that people are mad when the politicians are
covering their tracks. Unfortunately, this also gives the conspiracy
nuts "evidence" (wild speculation) to blow it all out of proportion
and then we have our own government flying the planes into the
buildings! The reason the planes looked "different" to many
observers is because the terrorists had the passengers put the
shades down on the windows. So, just who are these "educated"
professionals you mention? Are these retired pilots watching from
the ground? Bush was a pilot too and I wouldn't believe anything he
told me about his observations or planes in general! Are these
people more creditable and why? Is their eyesight okay, were they on
medication, did they have an unobstructed view? Where were they and
how far away, etc. when the events transpired. What kind of
specific complains and observations do they have? Have they written
a book? Were events distorted due to these people being in shock?
Have emotional opinions formed as blanks in memory and perception
are now filled in?
>My own history of childhood abuse and its related self-hate issues
that I still struggle with may make me more susceptible to cult-
speak in general, which, as I mentioned in my last post, I am
painfully aware of. But this doesn't put me in the category of being
mentally/emotionally imbalanced. My hard won awareness through first
hand experience of the fact that there are many things that our
government is lying to us about does not put me in this category
I'm sorry... I never meant to imply that you have a mental or
emotional imbalance. However, many of these hard core conspiracy
>All I'm saying is that I think we need to be careful not to rush to
judgment about all of this too quickly, or over-generalize it, and
lump it all together in one pot, and call all of it completely
Maybe and maybe not. I'm not going to believe anything thing that
David Icke, Mark Phillips, Cathy O'Brien, Laura Knight, Betty H.,
Mario, Twitchell, Gross, Klemp, L. Ron Hubbard, Tom Cruise, Bush,
Chaney, etc., etc., etc. have to say. So, although this may seem
like a rush to judgment or over-generalization and lumping together
in one pot all of those I consider as deluded or liars or a
combination of both... I still feel good about it!
By the way... I had mentioned the JFK assassination because I saw
Penn and Teller on Showtime do a segment on Conspiracy Theories.
They had some good information from independent tests on the firing
of the three shots which seemed to dispel the grassy knoll theory.
Oswald was not mentioned or his likely connection with Castro or
the Russians. And, Jack Ruby or LBJ spectulations weren't mentioned
either. It's all interesting but even more unfortunate when
governments withhold information that could give clarity and
closure. But, why did security allow several Arabs with box cutters
to board those flights? More incompetence! It's everywhere! It's
just in some places more than others. Ever been in the military?
There's a s___ load of it there and no end in sight! Actually,
sometimes it's fun to speculate on the bizarre or the unknown. Why
else have there been so many fiction, science fiction, and
mystery books written? People love it! Some just take it far too