Hi. Again, forgive me for my spelling mistakes. The English is not my language. My question is for those who had read the book. When the book mentions theMessage 1 of 87 , Feb 12, 2011View SourceHi. Again, forgive me for my spelling mistakes. The English is not my language.
My question is for those who had read the book. When the book mentions the Federation, was it explicitly named as the GALACTIC Federation of the Dark Path and the Monster of Peladon, or just, the Federation ? Also, the hints to Masterplan, are they explicit ?
Because of I concluded that War would be placed in the 31th century, but if it is set after Masterplan, it is impossible.
... destroyed, or ... separates ... another ... way through it. ... Eye of Harmony too remember. If the temporal powers ... 1st law of time they can probablyMessage 87 of 87 , Oct 24, 2011View Source
> > > From: rassillo@...
> > > But just a little problem in our theories : Either some
> > > Gallifreys were not
> > > the Enemy/Daleks destroyed them all EVEN with this lawseparates
> > > of Time which
> > > them. The Enemy/Daleks would also have to cross the<willbswift@...> wrote:
> > > horizon set in TAC, to bring the
> > William Swift
> > Oh yes. Just becauseanother
> > the Time Lords can put up a barrier doesn't mean is impossible for
> > temporal power to find a
> > The Daleks have their own
> > can find ways to break the
> Agreed. After all, Dalek Caan ALONE succeeded to find a breach in the
> the whole Dalek Empire, with
> easily find a way to attack
When was it called the Eye of Disharmony?? The word DISharmony implies that it makes things more uncertain – which contradicts the purpose of an Eye.
> > They aren't very clear what happened to the Time Lords in "Death(Romana
> > Comes to Time" what's your take on it?
> During TAC, only five TL survived from the Romana's Gallifrey. A woman
> or Iris), the Doctor
> and the Minister of Chance.
I’m not sure if this list was ever stated in the books. I think it just came from behind the scenes interviews with the writers.
> Then, the Minister joined
> the Fraction alongside Casmus,
> This Gallifrey was depopulated
> TID, The Gallifrey
> and the Kingmaker. In c.2003
> Tannis eliminated the last of
> and minus the Doctor who
> succeeded the TL. As a
> of time which we evoked (never
> 3rd Law of Time.
That works as well as anything ever will for “DCTT.” My take is that it takes place in the distant relative future and that the Doctor we see there is in his 500th and something incarnation.
> > > The Gallifrey Chronicles and The Infinty Doctors both
> > > mention a list of threats for the
> > > TL…
> > >
> > > [SNIP]
> > >
> > And maybe that's it.
> > Another reason for all the Daleks using all these "Reps" to fight the
> > war with them. Maybe they can't attackof
> > some of the Gallifrey's directly because they are linked by the Protocols
> > Linearity with another
> > they get other cultures to act as a proxy for them. Like the 2ndDoctor meeting the
> > post 5th Doctor Brigadier
> > Laws of Time, just bending them a bit.Daleks used Cybermen
> > We don't see the Daleks interacting with Gallifrey VIII
> > because some other group of Reps are responsible for that Gallifrey.
> Yeah, they were probably "Reps" of the Daleks. Moreover, the
> and mercenaries as Reps in The
> Time War, so it was not the
> broke) the Laws of Time when
> Daleks). It's totally
When you start looking at things this way suddenly the Dalek start seeming a LOT more clever and much more insidious then we ever thought!
(But then they’d have to be to challenge the Time Lords)
> > > Just to be clear, what's exactly your guess, for
> > > Gallifrey's timeline (including the War,
> > War of the Daleks
> > Shada
> > Interference / Toy Story
> You mean from the Eighth Doctor's POV ?
I guess so. Its when they create Lolita and steal Foreman’s Universe in a Bottle.
> And therefore, to
> ruled by Romana in TSOA and
> > Nine Homeworlds Project
> Then, the Homeworld stayed there…
I’d assumed that the Big Finish “Gallifrey” “Gallifrey” stayed in the original location. Then [after it lost all its Time Lords] the “TAC” Gallifrey was moved to the Kastarborus Sector.
> …and Romana was moved without
> another Gallifrey, with her
Not sure how little Romana knew. She claims to be the Mistress of the Nine Gallifreys IIRC so she might have been the only Time Lord to know the truth of the situation.
> She will become, later, the
> Gallifrey. But right now,
> kidnapped on Etra Prime by the
> the relative present -same era
> > Sirens of Time (though this is Unhappened)President), that's > it?
> When Romana was imprisoned on Etra Prime (and replaced by a male
> > The 8 Doctors
> At which moment of the story exactly ? Sorry, i'm a little bit lost.
All the stuff with Flavia monitoring the 8th Doctor breaking the 1st Law of Time.
> > The Apocalypse ElementAgreed. But we'll have to deal with the Gallifrey audios' Series 4.
> > The Coalition of the Temporal Powers is formed.
> > Time of the Daleks
> > The Hand of Omega returns to Gallifrey
> > Neverland
> > Zagreus
> > All of the Gallifrey audio adventures
Oh yes. How and why did Romana leave the truncated reality. Did she bring a Gallifrey with her?
Or are we wrong and the events of Season 4 of “Gallifrey” actually depict the ORIGIN of Nine Homeworlds project? Was the Gallifrey seen in Seasons 1-3 the original and the rest of the cloneworlds were all pulled out of the Axis? [just doing some wild speculating here. It’s the first time I’ve really tried to fit Season 4 in.]
> To be clear, on the Homeworld :
Gallifrey VIII according to “Taking of Planet 5”
> Nine Cloneworlds Project.
> Return of the Master.
> Declaration Faraway.
> Investiture of the Master as the War King.
> Walking to Babylon.
I’ve got “Walking” occurring BEFORE the Master becomes the War King.
> Where Angels Fear.
> Dead Romance.
IIRC RTD’s entry in a Doctor Who annual implies that Cwej was working for Romana when he organized the treaty with the Daleks.
> Tears of the Oracle.
> Twilight of the Gods [the Gods were probably independent from the Enemy
> Daleks, to avoid complicate
Not familiar enough with the Gods of Dellah story arc to dispute you.
> Battle of Dronid.
> The War itself (Venue Accords, Thousand-Year Battles, Seven Waves, Time
> Assault, This Town Will Never
> Shooting, Broken Remote
> FP audios (Ozymandias, The
> Battle of the Anvil Stars.
> Omega (from the POV of TL's
Could be any almost any of the Cloneworlds, including Gallifrey VIII (aka The Homeworld).
> Creation of Anathema.
> In the future, this Cloneworld
> didn't know who REALLY was the
Again, could be any Gallifrey. But seems like Gallifrey VIII is a likely choice.
> On the Romana's Gallifrey :
I’ve dubded this ‘Gallifrey I’ [but that’s my own name for it]
> Nine Cloneworlds Project.
Well this happened to all the cloneworlds – obviously.
> Unnatural History (the
Actually the Doctor seems very uncertain as to which Gallifrey it will end up when he sends it.
> Interference (the TL took the
> The Shadows of Avalon.
> The Banquo Legacy.
> "No-TL" universe
> The Gallifrey Chronicles.
> Restoration of Gallifrey.
> The Infinity Doctors.
These two refer to Gallifrey VIII (see above) IMHO
> Discovery of the Enemy's true
> The Doctor sealed the Medusa
> Return of Rassilon.Voidship.
> The Cult of Skaro fled in the
> The Daleks sent a capsule to
These could be any of the 12 Gallifreys (that are still around). I like to think they were Gallifrey VIII but that’s my own preference.
> The 8th Doctor found the Great
Don’t know about this story.
> The End of Time.
> The Final Battle, and destruction of both Daleks and TL
> was defintively time-locked.
By definition any Battle that was over [ie couldn’t not be re-fought] was time locked. So the Time War was Time Locked a little at a time as it progressed.
> Another Cloneworld was destroyed by the Cybermen (i believe you, but wheredo you
> took it ? ).
“Real Time” has the Doctor encountering Cybermen from his distant future who claim to have destroyed Gallifrey.
> To simplify things, i would place The Final Chapter on another Cloneworlds(they were
> at least 12, so i use it).
> And to insert Scream of the Shalka and DCTT in the Doctor, and Gallifrey'stimeline :
> a clone of the 8th Doctor was
> Rani, probably the Master, was
> War). This "new"
> 9th Doctor (Marnal mentioned
> of the Shalka.
I just assume that the “Shalka” Doctor was the same Doctor as the “Rose” Doctor but played by a different actor (much as two different actors have portrayed the First Doctor). But this works too.
> Then, he regenerated again,
> Earth while fighting Tannis.
This works. Though see above for my take on “DCTT.”
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