... what though... ... right on and off. They can t be ornamental in the sense of not having buttonholes , because at least one of those fellows in the frescoMessage 1 of 10 , Sep 4, 2001View Source
> Ah yes, I see now. I wonder if they [buttons] were ornamental orwhat though...
> I mean, with the v-shaped back neckline, the garment DOES slipright on and off. They can't be ornamental in the sense of "not
having buttonholes", because at least one of those fellows in the
fresco is clearly wearing buttonholed buttons, but I wonder if they
were really actually used or needed.
If you're talking about "Allegory of April: Triumph of Venus (right
view)", the fellow in the front with the gold over-garment and all
the buttons, in my opinion, those are needed as that the garment is
fitted with what I suspect is a seam at the waistline and a circular
skirt attached. As for all the ones with the houppleande/pleated
tabard variants from the research I have seen, those pleats are sewn
to tapes to hold them in place (one at the bust line, one at the
waist line and possibly one at the hem line, check out Elizabeth
Bibari's book Dress in Painting(? or something like that), it has
some good pictures of that detail), and I suspect that buttons or
ties would be needed at the neckline.
> The sumptuary paper I saw was at this site:
> I found it just fascinating...Just be careful if you are using that for Florentine clothing. In
general, the Florentines were more soberly dressed than the Venetians
at the same time (and more than most other Italian from what I can
... Warning! Bad ACII art. This is how I do it. You can start at either end. Solid lines are on outside of gown and dashed ones on the inside. StartMessage 1 of 10 , Sep 4, 2001View Source--- ivinian@... wrote:
> One question: How do they get that peculiar lacingWarning! Bad ACII art. <G>
> in some of those
> views, with the laces running horizontally from side
> to side with no
> crossings ("x's")? I wondered. It must be done from
> the inside, but I
> can't figure it out for the life of me.
This is how I do it. You can start at either end.
Solid lines are on outside of gown and dashed ones on
Start (with a basic bulky knot on the inside of the
gown pull lace through to outside, straight across and
down into corresponding eyelet on the other side)
End (I use a double half-hitch knot as it's
easiest for me to undo)
This is also known as spiral lacing.
I prefer it over ladder lacing since I'm paranoid
about things staying laced. <G>
Venera di Nardiello
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