Thank you Aaron, My feelings exactly. If people would only accept the word copies and ask for copies which are very inexpensive in Africa then I am sure thatMessage 1 of 43 , Jul 4, 2012View SourceThank you Aaron,My feelings exactly.If people would only accept the word copies and ask for copies which are very inexpensive in Africa then I am sure that the carvers would love it. They are not trying to "rip off" anyone. They just need like the rest of us to earn a living and enough to marry and support their families.Maybe if they can say carver they can also sign their work and build their reputations for quality which would in turn encourage apprentices to learn more and improve their quality as well as future income.There is a huge decorator market demanding "Copies" to use in interior design and I suspect many people jumping at cheap and often ugly "tribal pieces" would jump at quality signed copies.A win win for all.Leave those who collect authentic to their passion and create a new sub group which already exists from "rip offs"I do feel a degree of responsibility to give back to all of those decorator carvers who have helped me build my collector business with crafts for a bank pacifier.We can joke about "rip offs" but I do not believe that the carvers who made them saw their work in the same light.Ann PorteusSidewalk Tribal GalleryTel: +61414340331Fax: +61362240331Office: +61362240331
On 04/07/2012, at 2:49 AM, Aaron Weston <impex7@...> wrote:Why do people assume certain items are created to "RIP OFF" tourist? I've seen copies of Benin and Ife Bronzes, made in the United States, created by non Africans, selling for thousands of dollars and no one seems to be concerned about being "RIPPED OFF"! Why? I've never seen any African force a tourist to buy an item, even in the West, it's buyer beware!..... Everyone has to feed themselves and their families.
Without getting too close to the swirling vortex of this topic/discussion which all too often leads to temporal distortions of character and intellect, I wishMessage 43 of 43 , Oct 9View SourceWithout getting too close to the swirling vortex of this topic/discussion which all too often leads to temporal distortions of character and intellect, I wish merely to make an observation on the topic of 'aesthetics'...ORIGIN late 18th cent. (in the sense ‘relating to perception by the senses’): from Greek aisthētikos, from aisthēta ‘perceptible things,’ from aisthesthai‘perceive.’ The sense ‘concerned with beauty’ was coined in German in the mid 18th cent. and adopted into English in the early 19th cent., but its use was controversial until late in the century.I have often found in my assessment of tribal pieces that 'age' and 'use' are important elements on the sliding scale of assigned value used to guage my own aesthetic which may or may not conform to the aesthetic perceptions or values of others. Indeed there are some pieces where age is the primary contributing factor to what I perceive as 'beauty' in the piece. This is true for 'use' also and together they can add dimension to a piece that just can't be found in newer productions. That being said … there are also times when the quality of work … or the expression given a piece makes up for what is missing in age. Most collectors probably have some pieces like this even if they prefer those with a more refined pedigree. While I agree that the values assigned are often distorted and even as Richard said, manipulated, the law of supply and demand reigns supreme in the world of art - 'art has no price' - is a quote I hear from dealers - especially at the high end. The good news is that there is an entry point for anyone interested in the art of Africa. In the early stages of collecting one is well served however to learn that the 'perception of the senses' is something also that gets manipulated. It is therefore crucial to do your homework, to hone your eye and to refine your own aesthetic as you invest more and more time and money into the venture.I agree with another poster that Ed gave a very good evaluation and feedback on the piece presented - thank you! I learned a thing or two from your generous efforts.daniel