Since we're on the topic of my "fake" songye stool I'm now also curious what you guys think of my other 2 songye pieces, a songye statue and a songye fetish. The songye statue also has the terra cotta dust patina that some authentic songye statues have.
Joining this group is great! Really enjoying the feedbacks.
Thank you so much
--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, "khankey@..." <khankey@...> wrote:
> Daniel I actually really enjoyed your blatant assessment - I joined this group because I want to hear other collectors prove their opinions against mine. Till now I was about 80% convinced this piece was authentic. In my opinion I thought the piece was carved really well. Maybe the pictures don't do justice to the actual piece. The shape the face has been carved are at acute angles and the details of fingernails, toe nails, teeth, eyes are carved well. Even the tacks placed all over its body is done with symmettry and placed in the correct places. The patina still has oil all over it (which can be faked obviously). However, I've been looking for other Songye stools that have already been collected (found about 5 authentic ones in known colelctions so far) but none of them have metal used for the scarifications but rather the scarification is carved from the actual wood. Also, none of the other stools I've seen have cowerie shells placed in their eyes. Even though metal tacks and cowerie shells are used profusely in Songye fetishes I haven't seen a single stool using them. This may be because Songye stools are very rare and maybe only few are found so far.
> Would seriously love to hear more opinions on this piece - kill it for me :)
> --- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, dwolf22@ wrote:
> > OK Khan ... you asked for it .... so here is my 2 cents worth .... The
> > overall quality I would rate at about as bad as it gets... the carving is poor
> > and the patina faked ... the age - hard to really pin down, could have been
> > made last year - let's just say 'not old'.. authenticity? - well ... the
> > only thing I could say for sure is that yes - it does appear to be real
> > wood... though it may or may not have actually been made by a Songye carver...
> > Value? If I saw this at the local flea market being sold by african
> > runners to the public ... I'd expect they might try for $2-300 dollars ... at a
> > wholesale level ... maybe 100 ... if he needs gas money to the next town ...
> > maybe 50.... if he sees you love it and believe the story of it being the
> > kings throne ... 5-600 .... it's value is basically what you/he can get for
> > it <and you can count on him to get from you as much as he can>... One
> > could say it has no real ethnographic value ... and only minimal decorative
> > value ... if you didn't pay very much and enjoy having it then it has value to
> > you and if it leads you to the road of discovery of the complexities of
> > collecting african art then consider it the price of tuition ... though be
> > careful ... the cost of an education in this field can be very expensive and
> > it could be argued that some good books and research might be time/money
> > better spent. I, like many others here often remain silent when asked the
> > questions you've asked ... forgive me my blatant assessment... it's true the
> > only thing you might find more of than Songye copies out there - are
> > opinions... and this is but one.
> > Best of luck .. and welcome to the group,
> > Daniel
> > In a message dated 3/9/2010 12:01:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> > khankey@ writes:
> > Hello everyone!
> > I just joined this group today.
> > I recently bought this Songye anthropomorphic stool from a Congolese
> > collector. But regardless of the piece's provenance, I'd love to hear your views
> > and critiques on the authenticity, age, use, value and overall quality of
> > this piece.
> > _http://groups.http://grohttp://groups.http://grouphttp://groups.<Whttp://g_
> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/African_Arts/photos/album/343870675/pic/list)
> > Much appreciated,
> > Khan