Jeff, I agree with Rand on this one. * Terry ... From: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:African_Arts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rand African Art Sent:Message 1 of 6 , Aug 1, 2005View Source
I agree with Rand on this one. *
From: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:African_Arts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rand African Art
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [African_Arts] Dogan Nail Fetish
Hi Jeff and welcome,
Thanks for sharing the photos of your piece. Hopefully this can be a place where you can learn more about it as well as other things. I have gone in and done a little rearranging of your photos since you had them posted in your folder and also in the general folder section. Your photos were also very large so due to space limitations I had to delete the very large photo size, but all photos are still viewable.
Regarding your Dogon statue, I will start off with saying that I do not know a whole lot about Dogon statuary but in my opinion it is not typical of any traditional Dogon statue I have ever seen. Dogon statue is usually plain and for the most part never contains nails or cloth or fetish packets and horns as your piece does. I would say that the chances of your piece being an authentic and used Dogon sculpture are not very good. Even in the 1970’s and well before that, pieces were carved and made to look old, specifically for the market. I am not aware that the Dogon produced nail fetishes. It is my opinion that all of the added accessories on your piece do not fall in line with traditional Dogon sculpture and most likely were added to give the piece a false sense of importance, this is only my opinion and I am trying to be open and honest with you about your piece.
Often times in the past I have learned a lot about my pieces from constructive criticism from others because it forced me to research them further and I was able to formulate my own opinions based on the research I did and compare it to what others told me about my piece.
There are many stylistic differences in Dogon statuary and your best bet for comprehensive information and photographic examples to compare your piece to is to look into books that are specific to Dogon art. The Dogon culture is very interesting and the beliefs and myths of their culture can be fascinating to read about. The meanings behind the various sculpture styles are also wide ranging and interesting.
Below are a couple of books that I have that I find useful for reference:
Art of the Dogon: Selections from the Lester Wunderman Collection
by Kate. Ezra (This is a wonderful book, but I am surprised it is so expensive here. I got mine for about $40)
Both books have some good information on the Dogon and contain many different examples of Dogon statuary for comparison.
The Internet can also be a good source for images and information.
The American Museum of Natural History has a great selection of Dogon pieces cataloged on their website. Click on the link below, use the drop down to select DOGON under the culture and then click on SEARCH. It will pull up all of their Dogon collection and it will be a very good visual resource.
Below are links to various Sotheby’s auctions for Dogon pieces and they will provide a good representation of traditional Dogon sculpture. You can click on the thumbnails on the pages to see larger photos of the pieces.
or go to the link below, type in DOGON in the keyword box and then click on the yellow GO box towards the bottom and it will take you through all of the past auction results.
From the Metropolitan Museum of Art:
I also have a virtual tour of the display of African objects at the Met Museum from May on my website and you can see many Dogon objects on that page:
I hope some of this information helps.
stoodio200 <stoodio200@...> wrote:
I am new at the chat room. This is my first time to be involved in a
chat-room. I have posted pictures in the file named "Jeff". They are
of a Dogan statue. It is 39" tall and it looks like at one time it
was covered with mud that has dried and is somewhat flaking off. It
has nails, rags, strings, and little leather pouches, horns, all
around it. I found this site researching this piece and hopefully
this is the place to learn more about it. It was purchased from an
art dealer in the 1970s in Houston, Texas and I can get the name of
the person who brought it into the country.
A piece of African art history. There were a few unscrupulous dealers in NYC back in the 1970 s who hammered nails into Dogon, Moba and even Baule statues toMessage 1 of 6 , Aug 1, 2005View SourceA piece of African art history. There were a few unscrupulous dealers in NYC back in the 1970's who hammered nails into Dogon, Moba and even Baule statues to create instant "fetish" obects. They soaked the nails in water for months to give them a worn rusted appearance.
One question about Dogon fetish practices: I have a beautiful Dogon Satimbe headdress, complete with all of its original regalia (I recall reading somewhereMessage 1 of 6 , Aug 5, 2005View SourceOne question about Dogon fetish practices: I have a
beautiful Dogon Satimbe headdress, complete with all of its
original regalia (I recall reading somewhere that these are
usually stripped off by African runners to make them more
appealing to Western eyes), but have always been curious--if
not suspicious--about the metal shards hammered in to the
female figure's breasts. Was some unscrupulous dealer
responsible for this, or did the Dogon actually engage in
such fetishistic practices themselves? Somehow I can't
imagine a dealer going to the trouble of fashioning metal
shards when it would be so much easier using nails.
Snohomish, WA, USA
Gary: Apologies for being so slow to respond but I realize that part of the reason for my slowness in responding is that I am not sure to what you referMessage 1 of 6 , Aug 11, 2005View SourceGary:Apologies for being so slow to respond but I realize that part of the reason for my slowness in responding is that I am not sure to what you refer regarding the Satimbe headdress and the nails vs shards issue . Can you post an image, please, or provide a link or reference to related objects? No hurry. I'm on the road until next Thursday perhaps and may have limited access to email. Thanks. Lee