Just looking over you're post and I agree with you... let me know if
I'm getting this correct... You basically feel that if any of this
happens the survivors would just be your average people... Right?
Now, here are my problems. If there was a serious earthly
catastrophy I swear the only people who'd survive (after the initial
destruction) would be native peoples or "primitive" people. Let me
I couldn't farm to save my life. Sure, if you gave me seeds, etc.
BUt I would have no clue how to live with out technology. If we
suddenly didn't have electricity or gasoline, I don't know what I'd
do? You have people who have food storage and seem to be 'prepared',
but where does that get them? Great, so they can survive for 90
days. Big deal, and then what?
Native people (like those in lesser developed countries usually) know
how to farm, dig wells, etc. They literally live off the land.
I live in Utah, and people take food storage very seriously... but
think for a second... we have very harsh winters here, as other
places do. What would I do with out heat? A fire place?
It obviously wasn't a big deal for the pioneers, but I'm not a
pioneer. I rely on technology so much.
I believe the human spirit is stong, but I'm afraid I'm not.
This is why I'll probably move to a tropical location like Puerto
Rico, or the US Virgin islands or Western Samoa. I'd probably do
better in a warmer climate. : )
--- In 2012-Theories@y..., "Don Fuller" <dominictus@y...> wrote:
> Well, I suppose it's a theory as valid as any other, but IMO there
> a sizable hole in it.
> My observations so far of the people preparing don't confirm your
> theory that the people are scientifically or technically
> While many of them do possess survival/farming/hunting skills, and
> some have technical knowledge, it appears that most of them are
> average. To go on, I'd have to say that bulk of them are unusual
> only in the field of believing in global conspiracies and alien
> chanellers, which doesn't seem "advanced" from a scientific
> Now, there are other elements. All the conspiracy theorists could
> correct, and in fact as presented in "Deep Impact" the government
> going to gather all the brilliant minds and tuck them safely away.
> That would be good for your theory, but there's no real evidence to
> support this yet (that's what makes it a good conspiracy theory).
> There is also the element of chance. Many people are going to
> survive having made no preparations, but they will be in the right
> place at the right time. That skews the theory a bit too.
> All said, I am disinclined to agree with you. Depending on what
> infrastructure is recoverable (most theorist think very little) I
> think such a disaster will set us back a good 20-30 years.
> --- In 2012-Theories@y..., "Sam" <furyis@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Don,
> > > As to the rest of what you said, I don't understand. Are you
> > > suggesting that a reduction in population will somehow move
> > > technology forwards? And what transcendental object in 2012 are
> > > referring to?
> > My thread of thinking follows that survivors of an event close to
> > being an "extinction level event" (shamefully borrowed term from
> > Hollywood) would likely be folks who can exhibit a high rate of
> > ingenuity and intelligence, extropians, who could perceive and
> > with sound perception that an event as such would occur and hence
> > prepare to survive it. These people, having survived, with some
> > of some of the infrastructure that remains intact would then set
> > increasing, exponentially, the techno-societal progress that
> > to the event was slow because of the infestation of entropic
> > structures and high percentage of folks who are generally more
> > habitual in thought and act than those who are novel. I know it
> > kind of a leap, and probably wrong, I mean look who survived if
> > has happened sometime in the distant past.
> > The "Transcendental Object" was a quote from Terrance Mckenna and
> > of his thoughts on how to describe an indescribable event of
> > merging with the Infinite. That being one of a selection of
> > involving that date in 2012. If this subject matter is more than
> > passing fancy then I'd highly recommend his books, if not then I
> > recommend the "blue pill" the effects of which are - you will
> > in your bed and forget any of this ever happening. (egad,
> > again)
> > Sam