Mikewww invited me to join this group on the dna forum site...while my values are off a bit, I am 10-13, I have an excellent genetic match with the Vance 2 family group that is 11-13 and I believe Mikewww feels I'm a wee bit of mutant and did stem from you fine 11/13er!
I will copy part of my forums response to Mikewww, that give a bit of background info that might be usefull to you
"You are quite correct when you say I have excellent genetic match's with a bunch of Vances that the Vance surname project designate as Group 2
In addition to being my closest matches at 65/67 to 62/67, I also share a super rare value for R1b guys with these Vances of 19 at dys456-so there is no doubt about the real genetic matchs
so I gather you feel since the Group 2 Vances are all 11-13, you feel my line was originally an 11-13 too and later on there was a mutation for my whalens down to 10 from 11?
You are correct about this group of Vances being from Ulster, as best as I know, only 1 of the several different batches of Vances in group 2 can go back far enough to a confirmed spot in Ireland, and that is Mark Vance's ancestor, Thomas Vance (b. 1801) who was from Irwinstown, in the Northern Irish County of Fermanagh...there was a more vague mention from one of the other Vance group 2 lines of having a connection to Donegal Co, which is in the North but I'm not sure if it was considered part of 'Ulster"
There has been no known paper or pen connection between any of the Vances and my Whalens, but 1 interesting tidbit, found by a poster on the DNA forums, was that the wealthy landlords of the Vances in Fermanagh had a connection by marrige to the Baron that owned huge tracks of land in Northern Tipperary and for whom my Patrick Whealen's father in law was a land manager for
-so not a direct conections between the 2 surnames, but obviously getting 'warmer'"
anyway, I'm excited about finding a group that seems to apply directly to my values, if you need any more info, please let me know