--- Scott <canuck1@...> a écrit : > New
memeber here and already have benefited from
> some of the posts.
> One question.  I am working on a new Z scale layout.
>  What are the
> best lights to use to light the interiors of Z scale
> buildings and
> where is the best place to get them. I am in Canada
> BTW but have no
> problem with mail order.
>
> Thanks
>
> Scott

Hi Scott, try also on www.richmondcontrols.com
Cheers
Dominique

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Hello Frank,

> ........
> A nice touch by Vollmer and I am sure anyone can custom
> create such a light shield for any building.
>
> Also, Vollmer offers a lower-cost alternative to Marklin's
> 8950 light.

I'm glad you mentioned the 8950 as it is on my shopping list.
I've built a Marklin 8970 Wintersdorf Station and didn't even notice
it had a hole in the base for the 8950.  Of course now it is completed
I can't get access to the interior to "seal" it if required.
Is the 8950 in fact suitable for such a small building or would the
Vollmer alternative be better?

--
Regards, Bob

It is suitable...but you will have a glowing building...

make sure you can adjust the voltage to the bulb, as mentioned previously,
maybe by dedicating a cheap trafo to just the 8950's.....

T




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Hello Frank,

> ........
> A nice touch by Vollmer and I am sure anyone can custom
> create such a light shield for any building.
>
> Also, Vollmer offers a lower-cost alternative to Marklin's
> 8950 light.

I'm glad you mentioned the 8950 as it is on my shopping list.
I've built a Marklin 8970 Wintersdorf Station and didn't even notice
it had a hole in the base for the 8950.  Of course now it is completed
I can't get access to the interior to "seal" it if required.
Is the 8950 in fact suitable for such a small building or would the
Vollmer alternative be better?

--
Regards, Bob



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--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "Bob B" <bbyrne@b...> wrote:
> Hello Frank,
>
> >
> > Also, Vollmer offers a lower-cost alternative to Marklin's
> > 8950 light.
>
> I'm glad you mentioned the 8950 as it is on my shopping list.
> I've built a Marklin 8970 Wintersdorf Station and didn't even
notice
> it had a hole in the base for the 8950.  Of course now it is
completed
> I can't get access to the interior to "seal" it if required.
> Is the 8950 in fact suitable for such a small building or would
the
> Vollmer alternative be better?
>
> --
> Regards, Bob

Hi Bob:

I believe the 8950 is on quite a few shopping lists,
as it has been out of stock from Marklin USA for quite
a while now.

Marklin is pretty slick...they make their opening
just the size of the 8950's base.

The Vollmer buildings are wide open at the base and
you can fit any lighting inside.

So, no, the Vollmer light will not work for the 8950
Wintersdorf station, unless you custom hack an
opening larger than the one they supply.

Frank Daniels
z.scale.hobo

zbendtrack@... wrote:
>
>
> The idea is obviously to run the bulbs on less voltage than they are rated
> at.
>

Bill,

Wouldn't a reostat in line with one of the leads allow you to adjust the
voltage and brightness of the lamps as well?
--
Manfred

Manfred:
>
> Wouldn't a reostat in line with one of the leads allow you to adjust the
> voltage and brightness of the lamps as well?

You are correct.  There are several solutions to operating lamps at reduced
voltages:

1 -  A separate AC or DC transformer
2 -  A rheostat (of high wattage, not a simple "potentiometer")
3 -  Series full wave diode bridges (1.7v drop per shorted bridge)
4 -  A cheap power pack, using the DC throttle
5 - Wiring lamps is series or series/parallel circuits (maybe not for
beginners)

Most of the small to medium size layouts don't have a lot of room for extra
packs, I am guessing.  Folks may only want the track pack, and nothing else
on/around the layout. Solution 3 takes up the least room (and cost), with
solution 2 right behind it.  Buying overvoltage lamps takes no extra parts (or
time)
at all.

(only my opinions follow, fame suit is in place):

The key is extending lamp life and reducing temperatures.  The fringe benefit
is the very slight shift in color toward yellow to trick the eye into seeing
"model lighting" different from room lighting.

LED's work, but most yellow LEDs are really yellow, perhaps too yellow to
represent filament type interior lighting.  It does represent sodium based
street
lighting just fine.  White LEDs work, but they are super bright and
expensive, which might be a consideration.  Color correction of white LEDs might
be
something to consider also.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.  Not everyone has the same level of
talent, or time.

PS to Scott Whitmire:  You should have never posted the URL on the source of
tiny tubing and lighting accessories.  Cost me $50 on a web-placed order last
night.  <smile>

Bill K.
Houston







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Zeds,

   My favorite dealer:

Discount Model Trains  4641 Ratliff Lane, Addison, Texas 75001
   Tel: 972-931-8135;  Toll-free: 800-387-2460 They have an excellent
selection of MicroTrains Z, no Marklin.  Not much in the way of Z
structures, accessories, etc. They are looking for a new location at this
time, and will become a Marklin dealer after they move.  They do mailorder
and have been very reliable and easy to deal with.

   The posts on lighting were very <enlightening> :-).  I have one question
about the use of LEDs:  why is it desirable to use fiber optics as opposed
to situating the LEDs directly in the structures?  LEDs would seem to be
the ideal light source because they are relatively inexpensive, last for
years, use little power (i.e., they are extremely efficient) and they last
roughly forever.  They are susceptible to overvoltages, so you would have
to be careful to make sure the power supply never exceeds their
limitations.

Malcolm Z

Hi all:

One of our list members got hold of a "dead" box of Woodland Scenics
Sculpta-mold product, and asked for help a few days back.  Well, an N scaler has
posted a website with excellent pictures of how all these products "should"
work:

<A
HREF="http://www.ironpeng.com/mrr/ws_project.html">http://www.ironpeng.com/mrr/w\
s_project.html</A>

If you have never seen these products in use outside of the manufacturer's
website, then here's your chance.  Thanks to Mike Tennent, the "IronPenguin",
for posting the pictures and text.  Hope he don't mind 900 Z scalers looking at
his work.  <smile>

Bill K.
Houston




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Hello Frank,

> I believe the 8950 is on quite a few shopping lists,
> as it has been out of stock from Marklin USA for quite
> a while now.

FWIW Walthers have it listed 'in stock':

http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=Track&scale=Z&manu=Marklin&item=895\
0&keywords=&instock=Q&split=30&Submit=Search

> ......
> So, no, the Vollmer light will not work for the 8950
> Wintersdorf station, unless you custom hack an
> opening larger than the one they supply.

That won't be a problem, out of sight out of mind  :-)

--
Regards, Bob

Hello T,

> It is suitable...but you will have a glowing building...

The talk of fiber optics has intrigued me and I will investigate
that option further.  It may make sourcing material easier down
here in Australia, Z specific stuff is rare and pricey.

--
Regards, Bob

>LED's work, but most yellow LEDs are really yellow, perhaps too yellow to
>represent filament type interior lighting.  It does represent sodium based
>street
>lighting just fine.  White LEDs work, but they are super bright and
>expensive, which might be a consideration.  Color correction of white LEDs
>might be
>something to consider also.

Did you see that scene in N Scale? That was done with a single LED.


>Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.  Not everyone has the same level of
>talent, or time.
>
>PS to Scott Whitmire:  You should have never posted the URL on the source of
>tiny tubing and lighting accessories.  Cost me $50 on a web-placed order last
>night.  <smile>

No kidding. My shopping list at that place grows daily. I especially like
the lamp
shades. Now, *every* building will have to be lit, both inside and out.


>Bill K.
>Houston

Scott Whitmire

Hi there, I was the one fighting with this product. (still not happy)

Thank you for the pictures they really prove that my results are not
like the ones you have in the pictures. I have been using a product
from Woodlandscenics called Mold-A-Scene Plaster (C1202). Is this
the same or should it look/act the same as your Sculpt-mold?

Thanks,
Leon.


--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, zbendtrack@a... wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> One of our list members got hold of a "dead" box of Woodland
Scenics
> Sculpta-mold product, and asked for help a few days back.  Well, an
N scaler has
> posted a website with excellent pictures of how all these
products "should" work:
>
> <A
HREF="http://www.ironpeng.com/mrr/ws_project.html">http://www.ironpeng
.com/mrr/ws_project.html</A>
>
> If you have never seen these products in use outside of the
manufacturer's
> website, then here's your chance.  Thanks to Mike Tennent,
the "IronPenguin",
> for posting the pictures and text.  Hope he don't mind 900 Z
scalers looking at
> his work.  <smile>
>
> Bill K.
> Houston
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Please disregard the clinic reminder.  The clinician will not be
attending the NMRA National Convention due to the cancellation
of the National Train Show.

The Convention is still on and a replacement train show has
been set up .

More info can be found here:
http://www.ml2003.com/pages/train%20show.html

Cheers,
Jeffrey MacHan

I have 2 extra Marklin 8946 manual signal controls and 1 Brawa 4824
street light, which are left over from my layout construction.  I
will accept the first reasonable offer for each part or the whole,
and would also be willing to make a trade for a working or broken
8860, 8861, or 8862.  I am specifically looking for parts numbered
264450 and 264460; they are the plastic chassis parts that screw onto
the metal base and hold the circuit board.

Thanks all,
Joe

The Golden~Blackhawk&Central city RR is/ was created mostly with W.C. Plaster
Cloth. I also use a molding compound composed of Cell-u-clay / Sculptamold / and
Elmers Glue. This compound is what I use to attach my rock castings and to mold
the transition area between castings.It is also a great material to make smaller
forms of geograghy and geology.
  I DO NOT  lay the cut pieces of plaster cloth in a water bath before applying
to forms. I had problems of controlling the material when it was pre-soaked. I
find that if I take the cut pieces and hold them to the form while slowly
dousing them with water from a large artists paint brush, or a spray bottle, I
have better control of the shape and hold of the pieces.
When building our Z layouts we probably have smaller areas to work on and most
of the area is almost VERTICAL. By using small pieces of plaster cloth and the
dab-on ,or spray-on method of water( folowed by forming with a wet brush) ,you
will have less problems of folding -over and falling down plaster cloth during
construction.

David G.
Spring, Tx.
zbendtrack@... wrote:
Hi all:

One of our list members got hold of a "dead" box of Woodland Scenics
Sculpta-mold product, and asked for help a few days back.  Well, an N scaler has
posted a website with excellent pictures of how all these products "should"
work:

<A
HREF="http://www.ironpeng.com/mrr/ws_project.html">http://www.ironpeng.com/mrr/w\
s_project.html</A>

If you have never seen these products in use outside of the manufacturer's
website, then here's your chance.  Thanks to Mike Tennent, the "IronPenguin",
for posting the pictures and text.  Hope he don't mind 900 Z scalers looking at
his work.  <smile>

Bill K.
Houston




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Can anyone tell me if Kibri 6784  brick houses are suitable for an
USA style scene. Has anyone else used European buildings to model USA
style houses etc?

Thanks

john adams

I've seen an ebay listing a bit ago for a brass merry go round.  I
contacted the seller and he wouldn't tell me who the manufacturer was,
but only that they are new to Z brass products in Germany and only
sell finished kits so far (I would paint it differently).  He also
said they had no website.

The merry go round had a silent motor.

Anyone know what manufacturer this was?  I'd like to see what else
they have available.

Regards,
David Eisenmann

Check out the brand new Model Railroader.

There is a layout featured that is pretty fantastic.  The author notes that
one of the great things about it is the diversity in Architecture that was
so prevalent when all the Europeans came here to live.....and build etc.

Neat article.   Granted these are more industrial and government
buildings.....but might still apply.

Personally I have deliberatley stayed away from the kits you
mention.....but I am re-thinking it now.


T




                       jwa172001
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USA style scene. Has anyone else used European buildings to model USA
style houses etc?

Thanks

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Wow!

This years Indipendence Day Steam Special was fun! Just returned from my
favorite foto point at the eastern Lonesome Dove tunnel! They put engine 7 in
freight service this day. Good ol' 7 is an USRA heavy Mike. The first train was
a
string of historic reefer and a second run was done with their old 2- and
3-bay hopper cars.

The best pics are online now, look at "Lonesome Dove" for Steam Special!

Enjoy!

Kurt

The Redrock Railroad - Home of the Desert Hog
http://hometown.aol.de/redrockrail/index.html


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The Northwest Pacific Z Scalers will be meeting this month at our regular
place...Randy's Restaurant next to the Museum of Flight in Seattle (10016
Marginal Way).  We will meet at 10am on Saturday, July 26, 2003.  Our
agenda will be...

Upcoming shows
Ideas on displaying small, portable, (non-module) layouts at upcoming shows
Show and Tell (bring you newest goodies)
Treasury
Storage Locker Space
Dues for 2003-2004 (if any)
Fund raising (if we decide on no dues)

Hope to see you all there.  If there are those who don't have email, we need
addresses (if you know of any).

Thanks, tomg

Tom Gilchrist
330 SW 43rd St
Suite K-330
Renton, WA  98055

tomg at tomgtomg.com

The pictures look great Kurt!  Nice work.  We Alaskans enjoy steam.

Lee


--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, kurtulueck@a... wrote:
> Wow!
>
> This years Indipendence Day Steam Special was fun! Just returned
from my
> favorite foto point at the eastern Lonesome Dove tunnel! They put
engine 7 in
> freight service this day. Good ol' 7 is an USRA heavy Mike. The
first train was a
> string of historic reefer and a second run was done with their old
2- and
> 3-bay hopper cars.
>
> The best pics are online now, look at "Lonesome Dove" for Steam
Special!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Kurt
>
> The Redrock Railroad - Home of the Desert Hog
> http://hometown.aol.de/redrockrail/index.html
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hallo
I think you mean mekelburgmodell@...
His ebay.de name is mekelburg-modellbahntechnik
Manfred


--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "stacyeisenmann"
<stacyeisenmann@y...> wrote:
> I've seen an ebay listing a bit ago for a brass merry go round.  I
> contacted the seller and he wouldn't tell me who the manufacturer
was,
> but only that they are new to Z brass products in Germany and only
> sell finished kits so far (I would paint it differently).  He also
> said they had no website.
>
> The merry go round had a silent motor.
>
> Anyone know what manufacturer this was?  I'd like to see what else
> they have available.
>
> Regards,
> David Eisenmann

I have some workers row houses near my New England Industrial area,a part of
"Zeopolis".I don't remember the brand, but they are  Euro products-brick and
stucco homes. They look fine in USA.
David G
"G~B&CC RR"

jwa172001 <john.adams7@...> wrote:
Can anyone tell me if Kibri 6784  brick houses are suitable for an
USA style scene. Has anyone else used European buildings to model USA
style houses etc?

Thanks

john adams


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John,



I would think that the "landscaping" can "Americanize" European
houses.putting them on separate US-sized lots, adding patios and decks,
garages etc. will make them fit in since so many Us buildings, and
especially homes, use European examples.  You may also want to put
asphalt shingles on instead of the tile that comes with the kits.



Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: David George [mailto:dlgeorgesr@...]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:02 AM
To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [z_scale] Kibri kit 6784



I have some workers row houses near my New England Industrial area,a
part of "Zeopolis".I don't remember the brand, but they are  Euro
products-brick and stucco homes. They look fine in USA.
David G
"G~B&CC RR"

jwa172001 <john.adams7@...> wrote:
Can anyone tell me if Kibri 6784  brick houses are suitable for an
USA style scene. Has anyone else used European buildings to model USA
style houses etc?

Thanks

john adams


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Thank you, you are correct.

de
--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "Manfred Forst" <ma_forst@f...> wrote:
> Hallo
> I think you mean mekelburgmodell@a...
> His ebay.de name is mekelburg-modellbahntechnik
> Manfred
>
>
> --- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "stacyeisenmann"
> <stacyeisenmann@y...> wrote:
> > I've seen an ebay listing a bit ago for a brass merry go round.  I
> > contacted the seller and he wouldn't tell me who the manufacturer
> was,
> > but only that they are new to Z brass products in Germany and only
> > sell finished kits so far (I would paint it differently).  He also
> > said they had no website.
> >
> > The merry go round had a silent motor.
> >
> > Anyone know what manufacturer this was?  I'd like to see what else
> > they have available.
> >
> > Regards,
> > David Eisenmann

The European Train Enthusiasts are looking for Z scale layouts (European
theme) to be run during the EuroEast 2003 train show. The show is being held
August 2 and 3 in Marietta, PA. This show should be of great interest to anyone
interested in European prototypes. HO Euro modules will be on display. Have Z
scale represented would be a real benefit. More information on the show can be
found at:

www.eurobahntrains.com/euroeast/index.asp

If you have a Z layout and are interested in operating it during the show,
please contact George Kuhn at (717) 426-2090, email: kuhn@...

Thanks!
Rob Kluz

Ztrack Magazine, Ltd.
6142 Northcliff Blvd.
Dublin, OH 43016
Phone/Fax (614) 764-1703
www.ztrack.com


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Hi group,

If anyone is interested in buying one of several Rogue GP38-2 please
contact me 'off-group'.

Best regards,
Claes

Good Morning, WOW WHAT road names, asking priceand how many??
sincerely Fred Ladd
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--- Greg McAndrews <mcandrew@...> a écrit : >
John,
>
>
>
> I would think that the "landscaping" can
> "Americanize" European
> houses.putting them on separate US-sized lots,
> adding patios and decks,
> garages etc. will make them fit in since so many Us
> buildings, and
> especially homes, use European examples.  You may
> also want to put
> asphalt shingles on instead of the tile that comes
> with the kits.
>
>
>
> Greg
>
Guys, about this post I have a different feeling;
because according to me there is more a difference
between Eastern US and Western US than in US and
Europe. Of course my knowledge of the USA is more
concentrated on western US, California and Nevada, but
I went sometimes in New York and New Jersey; and what
is my feeling is that there are links between some
industrial buildings in eastern US (NYK area, Chicago,
etc...) and "British-Saxon" Europe (GB, Germany,
northern Europe), but nothing between western US and
Europe. So according to me the answer about structures
is different if you are modelling Union Pacific or
CSX/Conrail/NYC/B&O.
Cheers
Dominique

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