I hate to do this Roy but , to help all the other guys talking about
this problem , Micro Mark sells a DC Volt meter for $19.95 which reads 0
to 20  with the 0 in the center for reading forward and reverse. I have
4 of them in circuit with my Dual Tech 2 and Dual Tech 4 for a lot less
than a century note . I personally get along quite nicely with only one
5-0-5 ammmeter which may be switched into any one of the 4 circuits I
may feel a need to monitor

       Happy "Z"ing    Nel

Roy Stevens wrote:

>  My MRC Tech II recently began doing nasty things to my Marklin loks
> even at
> low throttle settings, so I broke down and bought a Tech 4 pack with
> built
> in voltage and amperage meters.  It cost nearly a hundred bucks, but I
> kick
> myself for not buying one sooner, it's an invaluable tool to measure
> loco
> performance and catch binding mechanisms before they become smoke
> generators.
>
> Roy Stevens
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Hello Bob,

How's it going? Chris gave me a call a couple a days
ago to let me know about the church and I am looking
forward to it. I plan to use it in my new layout once it
is released. A New England church will be charming
to a tee!

Regardz to all!

Reynard Wellman, Micron Art
On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 09:04  PM, bobztrainz wrote:

> Hello Zgang,
>
> A little advance notice:  Miller Engineering has just completed the
> design of a beautifully detailed photo etched small brass church,
> complete with fence, and graveyard tombstones!  Also coming, a New
> England barn (with photo etched cowz????).  Hoping, I say hoping, to
> ship by mid September.  You heard (saw) it here first!!!
> Remember, for ztructurez, Brazz & Ztainlezz Zteel are bezt!
>
> Bob Hawes, or should I say Hawzz! 
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If you do open a White Box Controller, just swap the red & brown terminal
sleeves before you close it up again (note how the arrangement of the
terminals on the back is different from earlier units, which rather suggests
that there has been an error on the production line, possibly brought about
by incorrect drawings/assembly instructions)

But do check carefully before you do anything, as M. (or whoever makes the
units for them - one of my older Mini-Club Controllers is clearly labelled
"Siemens") could by now have spotted the problem and corrected it in later
output batches

----- Original Message -----
From: "peteribbotson" <yahoo@...>
To: <z_scale@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:35 PM
Subject: [z_scale] Re: Wiring


>
> Oh well, sounds like the brown controllers are back to front to the
> white ones, this may explain why in my case the arrow on my loco
> when used in overhead mode is back to front following the marklin
> diagrams. I'm getting more and more tempted to crack the case on the
> marklin controller now. (Wish I hadn't started this now) I suppose
> as a definitive answer someone could examine the battery fun pack
> controller where we "know" which of the inputs is +ve and which is -
> ve by definition from the battery.

As long as we are on the subject of wiring what is the best size wire to use?
And what does this correspond to in millimeters?

Many thanks!
Michael





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I would like one also|
A Neill
24 Bonaly Crescent
Edinburgh EH13 OEW
Scotland
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   Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:14 AM
   Subject: Re: [z_scale] ztrack magazine uk


   John,

   Thank you for your interest in Ztrack Magazine. At this time, we do not have
   any dealers in the UK. I would be happy to send you a sample copy. Please send
   me your street address off-line and I will send a copy out this week.

   Sincerely,
   Rob Kluz



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<snip>
I broke down and bought a Tech 4 pack with built
in voltage and amperage meters.  It cost nearly a hundred bucks, but I kick

myself for not buying one sooner, it's an invaluable tool to measure loco
performance and catch binding mechanisms before they become smoke
generators.


Do you find the meters granular enough?  It seems like the throw for
Voltage, and especially for Amperage, is way to short...what I mean is: You
can't tell the difference between 2 and 3 volts....and certainly not the
difference between .03 and .09 amps...Right?

Or have you not found that to be a problem?   I know I even complained
about the Amperage meters on my HO MRC pak....NOt a Tech 4, but the Top of
the line one with Meters at the time...Like a 9500 or something....

  Anyway, can you REALLY see a difference in Amperage between locomotives?

T

Hello Tony,

> interesting...... any thoughts on digitrax transponding?
>
> as  i use this a lot

there ist a patent on Digitrax transponding. So I think transponding
will no be implemented.

Regards

Stephan

yes there is a patent but aj holds it not digitrax so i suspect that the you
can manufacture under licence ie payning aj an amount


Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephan Bauer" <stephan_bauer@...>
To: <z_scale@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [z_scale] DCC decoder


> Hello Tony,
>
> > interesting...... any thoughts on digitrax transponding?
> >
> > as  i use this a lot
>
> there ist a patent on Digitrax transponding. So I think transponding
> will no be implemented.
>
> Regards
>
> Stephan
>
>
>
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as a side thourght i would expect thet that technology would be available as
aj would want more people to use it .. and i for one wont be going to plug
and play decoders until it is

tony
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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [z_scale] DCC decoder


> Hello Tony,
>
> > interesting...... any thoughts on digitrax transponding?
> >
> > as  i use this a lot
>
> there ist a patent on Digitrax transponding. So I think transponding
> will no be implemented.
>
> Regards
>
> Stephan
>
>
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Howdy all!

I'm back in Dallas for two weeks vacation after working the better
part of two months in the Los Angeles area (sans a week working in
Miami), and am finally getting to play trains again.

The Texas & Beyond MRHS will be displaying the expaning Texas &
Beyond RR Z Top (Z scale modules on tabletops) layout this weekend at
the Great American Train Show in Mesquite, Texas. There's a link on
our website with show info.

If you're in the area, come by and see us!

Adam Amick
Texas & Beyond Model Railroad and Historical Society
www.geocities.com/texasandbeyondmrhs

Hi Gang,

Adam and the gang will be joined by David George at the Mesquite
(Dallas) Great American Train Show.

Of the 4 layouts listed, two are "Z"!

Golden-Blackhawk & Central City RR    25' x 16' - Z Scale
Tex-N Modular Railroad Club       36' x 31' - N Scale
Ark-La-Tex Modular Club       50' x 24' - HO Scale
Texas & Beyond Model RR       28' x 18 — Z Scale

Have a great show, guys.

Cheers,
Jeffrey


--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "Adam" <the_saint_75240@y...> wrote:
>
> The Texas & Beyond MRHS will be displaying the expanding Texas &
> Beyond RR Z Top (Z scale modules on tabletops) layout this weekend
at
> the Great American Train Show in Mesquite, Texas.

Hi Adam,

I noticed that there will be a workshop entitled "Introduction to Z"
given this weekend in Mesquite at GATS.  Who is giving the workshop?

Cheers,
Jeffrey

Marklin supply 0.75mm² stranded
Viessman supply 0.14mm² stranded
I would say thicker and more strands is better (but you need to be practical
about it) as it increases the electrical surface area  and reduces voltage drop.
Ralph
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mihalka, Michael
   To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:17 PM
   Subject: RE: [z_scale] Re: Wiring


   As long as we are on the subject of wiring what is the best size wire to use?
And what does this correspond to in millimeters?

   Many thanks!
   Michael





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Jeffrey,

I will be presenting the clinics this weekend.  In addition to the
Intro to Z scale I'm doing one on the Bullet Trains of Japan (for
which Stephen Moore built a wonderful display board [thanks again
Dave Fossett!!! http://www.h2.dion.ne.jp/~dajf/byunbyun/index.htm])
and a brief introduction to the Tokyo Rail System, on which our next
layout (The J Project) is based.

The Z clinic will be a simple introduction to Z scale and the modular
systems that have been developed. Plus basically "building up" the
fact that so much more work goes into Z, being the product lines
available for Z are rather limited compared to HO or N scale...

This is partially an effort to build appreciation for the work we do
(there's a lot of scratchbuilding on the T&B), and also to garner
votes in the contest :-) .

Hey, you don't ask... You don't get.

I got to meet David George this evening.  Nice fella.  His layout is
very impressive.  For as nice as it is, though, I have to give MAJOR
(not Captain, this is a step above) kudos to Tom Browning for his new
module of Alpine, Texas (inside corner).  It is fantastic!

We'll have a couple of digital cameras down there this weekend, so
look for pictures to be up on the website in the next couple of days!

Tom, Stephen and I took about 2 hours assembling the layout this
evening.  Our floor placement was a little awkward but once we got
the tables in the right position we were on our way and running by 7
or so.  It was the first time we've had Tom's modules in with ours,
and it makes somewhat of a hook-shaped layout, running dogbone
style.  The other 4 layouts were still in varying stages of setup
when we were leaving.

So, we look forward to a fun weekend of running in Mesquite!

Jaa, mata ne!
Adam

> Hi Adam,
>
> I noticed that there will be a workshop entitled "Introduction to
Z"
> given this weekend in Mesquite at GATS.  Who is giving the workshop?
>
> Cheers,
> Jeffrey

Hi Gang,

*****  NTS2003 in TORONTO HAS BEEN CANCELLED! *****

This announcement comes as a disappointment.  Sadly,
it seemed unavoidable with the recent new outbreak of
SARS in Toronto.  My original enquiry to NTS and the
official statement from Debbie Draper, Train Show
Registrar, follow below.

Stating the obvious, the Z supper will not take place
nor, I suppose, will the clinics I had been scheduled
to give.  There was some discussion of reschuling the
train show in the US.  However no decision has been
nade public at this time.

More information will be posted here as it becomes
available.

Keep the trainZ rollin'

Jeffrey MacHan

--- NATLTRAINSHOW@... wrote:
> From: NATLTRAINSHOW@...
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 02:38:20 EDT
> Subject: Re: Exhibitor list for NTS Toronto
> To: jmac_han@...
>
> Hi Jeffrey,
>
> The majority of our exhibitors have canceled because
> of health concerns due
> to the SARS situation in Toronto.  As a result, the
> Train Show Board met
> yesterday and today and have decided to cancel the
> Toronto Train Show.  More
> information will be forthcoming.
>
> Regards,
> Debbie Draper
> NTS Registrar
>
>
> In a message dated 5/30/2003 10:44:21 AM US Mountain
> Standard Time,
> jmac_han@... writes:
>
> > Dear Ms. Draper,
> >
> > As Z_Scale forum moderator and Z-Scale SIG
> coordinator
> > I am heavily involved in promoting the National
> Train
> > Show to my fellow hobbyists.  I am also a layout
> > exhibitor.
> >
> > I have learned that two major companies with which
> Z
> > enjoys a healthy relationship, Micro-Trains Line
> and
> > Märklin, have decided to withdraw from the train
> show
> > due to the SARS scare.
> >
> > Your exhibitor list for NTS has not been updated
> on
> > the web page since November 2002.  Many of my
> > colleagues have made plans to attend NTS in the
> hope
> > of meeting MTL and Märklin amongst others.  It is
> only
> > fair to exhibitors and visitors alike to know who
> they
> > can expect to see at the show.
> >
> > Would you please be so kind as to provide me with
> an
> > up-to-date list of exhibitors so that I can inform
> my
> > fellow Z-scale modelers.
> >
> > Thank you for your cooperation.
> >
> > I look forward to seeing you in Toronto next July.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeffrey MacHan



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that is sad news .... i have heard that digitrax are not going either ... i
hope something good happens and the problem is solved so the show can
continue

Tony in the uk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey MacHan" <jmac_han@...>
To: <z_scale@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 12:13 PM
Subject: [z_scale] BREAKING NEWZ!!! Fwd: Re: Exhibitor list for NTS Toronto


> Hi Gang,
>
> *****  NTS2003 in TORONTO HAS BEEN CANCELLED! *****
>
> This announcement comes as a disappointment.  Sadly,
> it seemed unavoidable with the recent new outbreak of
> SARS in Toronto.  My original enquiry to NTS and the
> official statement from Debbie Draper, Train Show
> Registrar, follow below.
>
> Stating the obvious, the Z supper will not take place
> nor, I suppose, will the clinics I had been scheduled
> to give.  There was some discussion of reschuling the
> train show in the US.  However no decision has been
> nade public at this time.
>
> More information will be posted here as it becomes
> available.
>
> Keep the trainZ rollin'
>
> Jeffrey MacHan
>
> --- NATLTRAINSHOW@... wrote:
> > From: NATLTRAINSHOW@...
> > Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 02:38:20 EDT
> > Subject: Re: Exhibitor list for NTS Toronto
> > To: jmac_han@...
> >
> > Hi Jeffrey,
> >
> > The majority of our exhibitors have canceled because
> > of health concerns due
> > to the SARS situation in Toronto.  As a result, the
> > Train Show Board met
> > yesterday and today and have decided to cancel the
> > Toronto Train Show.  More
> > information will be forthcoming.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Debbie Draper
> > NTS Registrar
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 5/30/2003 10:44:21 AM US Mountain
> > Standard Time,
> > jmac_han@... writes:
> >
> > > Dear Ms. Draper,
> > >
> > > As Z_Scale forum moderator and Z-Scale SIG
> > coordinator
> > > I am heavily involved in promoting the National
> > Train
> > > Show to my fellow hobbyists.  I am also a layout
> > > exhibitor.
> > >
> > > I have learned that two major companies with which
> > Z
> > > enjoys a healthy relationship, Micro-Trains Line
> > and
> > > Märklin, have decided to withdraw from the train
> > show
> > > due to the SARS scare.
> > >
> > > Your exhibitor list for NTS has not been updated
> > on
> > > the web page since November 2002.  Many of my
> > > colleagues have made plans to attend NTS in the
> > hope
> > > of meeting MTL and Märklin amongst others.  It is
> > only
> > > fair to exhibitors and visitors alike to know who
> > they
> > > can expect to see at the show.
> > >
> > > Would you please be so kind as to provide me with
> > an
> > > up-to-date list of exhibitors so that I can inform
> > my
> > > fellow Z-scale modelers.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your cooperation.
> > >
> > > I look forward to seeing you in Toronto next July.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jeffrey MacHan
>
>
>
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Dear Jeffrey and Friends,

I was afraid that this might happen. I spoke to Rob Kluz
yesterday and when he mentioned that Marklin and
Kalmbach had cancelled, I knew it was pretty much over.

But I would agree, it is best to err on the side of safety
and public health.

Let's hold that "Best New Product" award until the NTS
in Seattle 2004. I'll be glad to share the spotlight with
whoever wins this years' product award.

Best regards,
Reynard
On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 06:13  AM, Jeffrey MacHan wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> *****  NTS2003 in TORONTO HAS BEEN CANCELLED! *****
>
> This announcement comes as a disappointment.  Sadly,
> it seemed unavoidable with the recent new outbreak of
> SARS in Toronto.  My original enquiry to NTS and the
> official statement from Debbie Draper, Train Show
> Registrar, follow below.
>
> Stating the obvious, the Z supper will not take place
> nor, I suppose, will the clinics I had been scheduled
> to give.  There was some discussion of reschuling the
> train show in the US.  However no decision has been
> nade public at this time.
>
> More information will be posted here as it becomes
> available.
>
> Keep the trainZ rollin'
>
> Jeffrey MacHan
>
> --- NATLTRAINSHOW@... wrote:
>> From: NATLTRAINSHOW@...
>> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 02:38:20 EDT
>> Subject: Re: Exhibitor list for NTS Toronto
>> To: jmac_han@...
>>
>> Hi Jeffrey,
>>
>> The majority of our exhibitors have canceled because
>> of health concerns due
>> to the SARS situation in Toronto.  As a result, the
>> Train Show Board met
>> yesterday and today and have decided to cancel the
>> Toronto Train Show.  More
>> information will be forthcoming.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Debbie Draper
>> NTS Registrar
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/30/2003 10:44:21 AM US Mountain
>> Standard Time,
>> jmac_han@... writes:
>>
>>> Dear Ms. Draper,
>>>
>>> As Z_Scale forum moderator and Z-Scale SIG
>> coordinator
>>> I am heavily involved in promoting the National
>> Train
>>> Show to my fellow hobbyists.  I am also a layout
>>> exhibitor.
>>>
>>> I have learned that two major companies with which
>> Z
>>> enjoys a healthy relationship, Micro-Trains Line
>> and
>>> M‰rklin, have decided to withdraw from the train
>> show
>>> due to the SARS scare.
>>>
>>> Your exhibitor list for NTS has not been updated
>> on
>>> the web page since November 2002.  Many of my
>>> colleagues have made plans to attend NTS in the
>> hope
>>> of meeting MTL and M‰rklin amongst others.  It is
>> only
>>> fair to exhibitors and visitors alike to know who
>> they
>>> can expect to see at the show.
>>>
>>> Would you please be so kind as to provide me with
>> an
>>> up-to-date list of exhibitors so that I can inform
>> my
>>> fellow Z-scale modelers.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your cooperation.
>>>
>>> I look forward to seeing you in Toronto next July.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeffrey MacHan
>
>
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Hi guys, which is the best and smoother way to remove decals on our jewels?

TIA,

Alex

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Ok, when you're talking hundreths of amps, the answer is NO.  My response
is, I don't need to.  The meters are analog, which I prefer to digital to
visually see dynamic fluctuations, which are a good indication of certain
problems, and the difference in hundreths of amps between locos is
irrelevant as far as I'm concerned, but when an 8800 mechanism starts
pulling nearly an amp unloaded, it's time to start looking for problems.
I agree with one response that if you have a layout with DC block control,
it's much better to build meters into the panel, but my layout is DCC and I
use the power pack on any of the three workbenches or with one of the two
display layouts.

Roy

>Subject: Re:  Back in the game and confused [as usual]
>
>
>Do you find the meters granular enough?  It seems like the throw for
>Voltage, and especially for Amperage, is way to short...what I mean is: You
>can't tell the difference between 2 and 3 volts....and certainly not the
>difference between .03 and .09 amps...Right?
>
>Or have you not found that to be a problem?   I know I even complained
>about the Amperage meters on my HO MRC pak....NOt a Tech 4, but the Top of
>the line one with Meters at the time...Like a 9500 or something....
>
>  Anyway, can you REALLY see a difference in Amperage between locomotives?
>
>T

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If you don't want to save the decal, use a "setting" solution to soften the
decal, let it set for a few minutes, then rub off (gently) with a SOFT cloth or
tissue paper. IUf you want to save and re-use the decal, I don't know.       
DEWEY

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Hi guys, which is the best and smoother way to remove decals on our jewels?

TIA,

Alex

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I am trying to set up a z-scale train board for my father as a
> surprize. he had some before i was born but my older brothers took
> care of them... no one know were the are now.
> My father has always wanted a coffiee table set... a set in a
table,
> with a pull out draw with all the controls. i have mad models and
am
> very good with secery, but have never set any trains smaller than
ho.
> I have been trying to find books, but notheing...
> I just need to know the bacis spacing, between tracks, the smallest
> radius a turn can have, and the max slope for an incline.
> I will be working with about a 2 ft x 4 or 5 ft base.
>
> any help would be very greatfull. i plan on taking lots of picture
> during the prosses, i will gladly share them.
>
> Thank you
tboy6988@...

or
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Dear lists:
     To whom I offended with my angry words and bitter disappointment over the
closing of NTS show I sincerely apologize.  Please do not attack the moderators,
if you wish to yell at someone, I`m keith.sirman@....  Again my most
humble apologies to all the aforementioned lists.

     Keith Sirman


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Dear Adam,

I am very interested, to get some more info on the Z-modular systems
you will explain to the audience at the clinics.

By the way, I lived for three years in Dallas, Texas. So, Mesquite sounds
familiar. 'Six Flags over Texas', isn't it in your area?

Greetings

Dieter



Adam schrieb:
> Jeffrey,
>
> I will be presenting the clinics this weekend.  In addition to the
> Intro to Z scale I'm doing one on the Bullet Trains of Japan (for
> which Stephen Moore built a wonderful display board [thanks again
> Dave Fossett!!! http://www.h2.dion.ne.jp/~dajf/byunbyun/index.htm])
> and a brief introduction to the Tokyo Rail System, on which our next
> layout (The J Project) is based.
>
> The Z clinic will be a simple introduction to Z scale and the modular
> systems that have been developed. Plus basically "building up" the
> fact that so much more work goes into Z, being the product lines
> available for Z are rather limited compared to HO or N scale...
>
> This is partially an effort to build appreciation for the work we do
> (there's a lot of scratchbuilding on the T&B), and also to garner
> votes in the contest :-) .
>
> Hey, you don't ask... You don't get.
>
> I got to meet David George this evening.  Nice fella.  His layout is
> very impressive.  For as nice as it is, though, I have to give MAJOR
> (not Captain, this is a step above) kudos to Tom Browning for his new
> module of Alpine, Texas (inside corner).  It is fantastic!
>
> We'll have a couple of digital cameras down there this weekend, so
> look for pictures to be up on the website in the next couple of days!
>
> Tom, Stephen and I took about 2 hours assembling the layout this
> evening.  Our floor placement was a little awkward but once we got
> the tables in the right position we were on our way and running by 7
> or so.  It was the first time we've had Tom's modules in with ours,
> and it makes somewhat of a hook-shaped layout, running dogbone
> style.  The other 4 layouts were still in varying stages of setup
> when we were leaving.
>
> So, we look forward to a fun weekend of running in Mesquite!
>
> Jaa, mata ne!
> Adam
>
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > I noticed that there will be a workshop entitled "Introduction to
> Z"
> > given this weekend in Mesquite at GATS.  Who is giving the workshop?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeffrey
>
>
>
> "Z" WARNING! HANDLE WITH CARE!  Highly addictive in Small DoseZ!
>
>
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>

Dieter W. Nolte
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Welcome to the Z family Keith. We are all glad to have you BACK home!

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   Dear lists:
       To whom I offended with my angry words and bitter disappointment over the
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humble apologies to all the aforementioned lists.

       Keith Sirman


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Hello Z-scale.
  Now I can finally model the stuff I want to without restraint. I
have room for a 2' x 4' layout. Double track mainline, here I come!
All I need are some 8530s to go with my 195mm curves.
  Let's see. The Pacific in my 81535 sure looks great. And the Mikado
in my 81466 is nice. Wish the wheels were blackened like the
Pacific's.
  You know, I bet the Mikado is going to look a lot better on 220mm
curves. If it does, then the 8520 195mm curves are gonna look kinda
bad. Well, I can always use the 8530s for the inner main, and use
flex track to make the outer main. Now the curves are going to take
up more space, so I'll just extend the layout a little. I can do a 2'
x 5' layout.
  Oh boy! Some one is dumping IC passenger cars (8724-8728)on ebay.
Bet I can find someplace to repaint it in green and orange to match
my MT Great Northern F7A and B. Not really American passenger cars,
but the paint job should make it look good, and the Vista Dome could
pass for American if I squint.
  But those cars are long. They might not look too good on 220mm
curves. I'll just bump up to 12" radius on the outside main (304mm).
Now I'm really railroading!
  Hm-m-m-m. Now that my outside main is 2 feet, gonna have to bump up
the layout to 2 1/2 feet wide. No sweat. But those curves are gonna
take up even more length. Plus my passenger train needs some room on
the straight for a station. I'll just bump up to 2 1/2' by 6'.

  You know, I seem to remember having this conversation with myself
before. It was right about the time I decided to leave N scale :)

--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, MASALOWE@a... wrote:
> One of the great things about our Z scale group is that we have members from
all over the World. We all have different backgrounds, political views and
beliefs yet we all share a love of our  Z scale hobby.
>
> I believe that the posts on the list should be related to Z scale issues. I
have great pride in my country. I also have pride that I am part of a forum that
includes talented people from exceptional countries throughout the globe.I am
very disapointed to see posts bashing the citizens of any country. Those type of
comments do not belong here.

THANK YOU for taking the time to say the above.

There are other places we can turn if we want to spend our energy
being negative.  Frankly, that is not why I i take the time to read
every post to this group.

ELF

[Forgive the tardiness, but i am just back and getting caught up.]

--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Brandon" <Jeremy.Brandon@t...>
>
> But it raises the interesting question of what happens to time when
> we reduce the space dimensions by 220. My view is that time doesn't
> change....


Your question prompted me to consider a different aspect
of the matter -- not so much reducing the space dimension
by 220, but rather the relation of space AND time between
Z and the prototype.

The genesis of my pondering comes from my own
question:  why does it take me so long to put together a
building kit?  Am I just slow, or what?

After thinking about the matter, I have come to the following
conclusion: If it takes me about 15 hours to paint and
assemble a Z scale kit, this is – in my mind – equivalent to
3300 Z-hours.  At 8 Z-hours in a  Z-workday, this about
412.5 Z-workdays, or about 82 Z-workweeks.

But since it is unlikely that a train station, or brick factory
would be built by one person alone, I have hired – [again]
in my mind – an additional 9 people to help me.  So I
realize that it really takes only about 8+ Z-workweeks for
my work crew to paint and assemble such a structure.

Hey!  I realize that is pretty good!  I'm not so slow after all!
I feel better already.

ELF

--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "Terry J.N. Rowsell" <terryrowsell@y...> wr=
ote:
> Hi.
>
> I am at the point where all of my track is layed on my Z scale layout
> and the scenery is coming along.
> BUT I can never ever ever get my little locos to run around once
> without stopping.
> My two Z scale locos are Markln and for all intents and purposes 0-4-
> 0 locos electrically which is itself frustrating.
>  I am at the end of my rope!


[I am just back and catching up on a few weeks
  of emails, so please forgive the `step backwards".]

I too had been suffering from a very similar experience
(especially the rope part!).  My two locos are Märklin
8895 (five pole 2-6-0) and Märklin 8899 (three pole 4-6-0)
steamers.

I had the good fortune, a couple of weeks ago, of taking my
locos to Terry Sutfin's house and running them on the
Poorville and Debt City.  They ran fine -- smooth, no
hesitation and well at slow speeds.  He graciously lent me
a few of his (4 axle and 6 axle Märklin Diesel and
Electrics)  to try on my layout.  Because of the much longer
wheel base I was able to `see' problems in the track
which were not apparent otherwise.

Terry also questioned me about my tack nails.  I was sure
they had not been put in too deeply (which I could verify
with an optivisor!), but he wondered if the tight fit in the
molded-in hole might still create enough friction to cause
just enough binding [leteral movement of the rail heads]
to be a problem.  (This guess was prompted by the fact that
the locos run very well on the two sections on Faller bridges
where NO nails had been used.)

I proceeded to remove ALL the nails (track was already held
in place by ballast and glue), and some of the problems
cleared up right away.

Just a bit of experience which might be of help to you, or
someone.

ELF

Hello ELF

I found out a long time ago that Z track is real sensitive to
the slightest incursions, misalignments, off cambers,
"S" curves and white glue. Marklin track works excellent right out
of the box because basically we haven't interfered with
it much when we first play with it. Take a new track set,
connect it together and everything will work fine but
once you start pinning it down, adding ballast and
warping it to fit your track plan things can get pretty bad.

Keeping the track somewhat loose and coplanar helps
tremendously and I now pin my track down on the outside
of the ties.

On Sunday, June 1, 2003, at 12:12  AM, rohirrim98236 wrote:
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>
> I proceeded to remove ALL the nails (track was already held
> in place by ballast and glue), and some of the problems
> cleared up right away. 
>
> Just a bit of experience which might be of help to you, or
> someone.
>
> ELF
>
>


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Hello Keith,

I am just as disappointed as you are. It is a real hardship
for all of us. US citizens would come to your aid if your nation
were attacked and I am sure that many US experts are at
this very moment contributing to a solution to the SARS
tragedy in concert with Canadian health experts.

When hard times hit let us try to find a little joy in our hobbies
and fellowship in those interests.

As for Bigfoot, I think the FBI caught him last year and he
turned to be just a guy in a gorilla suit with nothing better
to do.

Take care,
Reynard

Edited for length>
On Saturday, May 31, 2003, at 01:39  PM, Keith Sirman wrote:
>   If you were afraid
> of getting SARS in Toronto, then you have the exact same chances of get
> attakced by BIGFOOT in Seattle in 2004!
> Keith Sirman


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