I am presently taking an on-line course to obtain my Library specialist
qualification. One of our assignments is to find a listserve to monitor and
take part in for the duration  of the course. Much of my position as a
teacher-librarian in a secondary school is related to computers and the
Internet. WWWEDU appears to be a service that I feel will be valuable
resource for me.

Hetty Smeathers
duckies@...
Department Head of Library Information Services
St.Joan of Arc Catholic High School
Maple, ON

haha, you gotta read the article.:)
http://www.benton.org/DigitalBeat/db103101.html
i'm leaving the original message for your use.

nellendet

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Jennifer Smolka wrote:

> Ted,
>
> So what is the hidden message here?
>
> Jennifer Smolka
> University of North Texas
> smolka@...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tednellen [mailto:tnellen@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:43 PM
> To: 'wwwedu@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: Re: [WWWEDU] my latest article: the debate over online
> steganography
>
> Dear Friend ; Thank-you for your interest in our publication
> . If you no longer wish to receive our publications
> simply reply with a Subject: of "REMOVE" and you will
> immediately be removed from our club ! This mail is
> being sent in compliance with Senate bill 1816 ; Title
> 3 ; Section 304 . This is not multi-level marketing
> . Why work for somebody else when you can become rich
> within 45 days . Have you ever noticed more people
> than ever are surfing the web & people love convenience
> ! Well, now is your chance to capitalize on this .
> We will help you SELL MORE and sell more ! You can
> begin at absolutely no cost to you ! But don't believe
> us . Ms Jones of Kentucky tried us and says "I've been
> poor and I've been rich - rich is better" . This offer
> is 100% legal . So make yourself rich now by ordering
> immediately . Sign up a friend and you'll get a discount
> of 60% ! God Bless ! Dear Sir or Madam ; Your email
> address has been submitted to us indicating your interest
> in our letter . If you are not interested in our publications
> and wish to be removed from our lists, simply do NOT
> respond and ignore this mail . This mail is being sent
> in compliance with Senate bill 2216 ; Title 2 , Section
> 304 . This is a ligitimate business proposal ! Why
> work for somebody else when you can become rich as
> few as 98 weeks . Have you ever noticed nearly every
> commercial on television has a .com on in it plus nearly
> every commercial on television has a .com on in it
> . Well, now is your chance to capitalize on this !
> WE will help YOU sell more & deliver goods right to
> the customer's doorstep ! You are guaranteed to succeed
> because we take all the risk ! But don't believe us
> ! Ms Ames of Hawaii tried us and says "I was skeptical
> but it worked for me" ! We are licensed to operate
> in all states ! We BESEECH you - act now ! Sign up
> a friend and you get half off ! God Bless .
>
>

Go to SpamMimic.com, click on the "decode" option, then paste Ted's
apparent spam message into the form field. When you submit it to the
website, it'll generate the message hidden within it.

thanks,
ac
Andy Carvin
acarvin@...

--- In wwwedu@y..., "Jennifer Smolka" <jennifer@s...> wrote:
> Ted,
>
> So what is the hidden message here?
>
> Jennifer Smolka
> University of North Texas
> smolka@u...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tednellen [mailto:tnellen@i...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:43 PM
> To: 'wwwedu@y...'
> Subject: Re: [WWWEDU] my latest article: the debate over online
> steganography
>
> Dear Friend ; Thank-you for your interest in our publication
> . If you no longer wish to receive our publications
> simply reply with a Subject: of "REMOVE" and you will
> immediately be removed from our club ! This mail is
> being sent in compliance with Senate bill 1816 ; Title
> 3 ; Section 304 . This is not multi-level marketing
> . Why work for somebody else when you can become rich
> within 45 days . Have you ever noticed more people
> than ever are surfing the web & people love convenience
> ! Well, now is your chance to capitalize on this .
> We will help you SELL MORE and sell more ! You can
> begin at absolutely no cost to you ! But don't believe
> us . Ms Jones of Kentucky tried us and says "I've been
> poor and I've been rich - rich is better" . This offer
> is 100% legal . So make yourself rich now by ordering
> immediately . Sign up a friend and you'll get a discount
> of 60% ! God Bless ! Dear Sir or Madam ; Your email
> address has been submitted to us indicating your interest
> in our letter . If you are not interested in our publications
> and wish to be removed from our lists, simply do NOT
> respond and ignore this mail . This mail is being sent
> in compliance with Senate bill 2216 ; Title 2 , Section
> 304 . This is a ligitimate business proposal ! Why
> work for somebody else when you can become rich as
> few as 98 weeks . Have you ever noticed nearly every
> commercial on television has a .com on in it plus nearly
> every commercial on television has a .com on in it
> . Well, now is your chance to capitalize on this !
> WE will help YOU sell more & deliver goods right to
> the customer's doorstep ! You are guaranteed to succeed
> because we take all the risk ! But don't believe us
> ! Ms Ames of Hawaii tried us and says "I was skeptical
> but it worked for me" ! We are licensed to operate
> in all states ! We BESEECH you - act now ! Sign up
> a friend and you get half off ! God Bless .
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ted,

So what is the hidden message here?

Jennifer Smolka
University of North Texas
smolka@...

-----Original Message-----
From: tednellen [mailto:tnellen@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:43 PM
To: 'wwwedu@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: Re: [WWWEDU] my latest article: the debate over online
steganography

Dear Friend ; Thank-you for your interest in our publication
. If you no longer wish to receive our publications
simply reply with a Subject: of "REMOVE" and you will
immediately be removed from our club ! This mail is
being sent in compliance with Senate bill 1816 ; Title
3 ; Section 304 . This is not multi-level marketing
. Why work for somebody else when you can become rich
within 45 days . Have you ever noticed more people
than ever are surfing the web & people love convenience
! Well, now is your chance to capitalize on this .
We will help you SELL MORE and sell more ! You can
begin at absolutely no cost to you ! But don't believe
us . Ms Jones of Kentucky tried us and says "I've been
poor and I've been rich - rich is better" . This offer
is 100% legal . So make yourself rich now by ordering
immediately . Sign up a friend and you'll get a discount
of 60% ! God Bless ! Dear Sir or Madam ; Your email
address has been submitted to us indicating your interest
in our letter . If you are not interested in our publications
and wish to be removed from our lists, simply do NOT
respond and ignore this mail . This mail is being sent
in compliance with Senate bill 2216 ; Title 2 , Section
304 . This is a ligitimate business proposal ! Why
work for somebody else when you can become rich as
few as 98 weeks . Have you ever noticed nearly every
commercial on television has a .com on in it plus nearly
every commercial on television has a .com on in it
. Well, now is your chance to capitalize on this !
WE will help YOU sell more & deliver goods right to
the customer's doorstep ! You are guaranteed to succeed
because we take all the risk ! But don't believe us
! Ms Ames of Hawaii tried us and says "I was skeptical
but it worked for me" ! We are licensed to operate
in all states ! We BESEECH you - act now ! Sign up
a friend and you get half off ! God Bless .




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Friend ; Thank-you for your interest in our publication
. If you no longer wish to receive our publications
simply reply with a Subject: of "REMOVE" and you will
immediately be removed from our club ! This mail is
being sent in compliance with Senate bill 1816 ; Title
3 ; Section 304 . This is not multi-level marketing
. Why work for somebody else when you can become rich
within 45 days . Have you ever noticed more people
than ever are surfing the web & people love convenience
! Well, now is your chance to capitalize on this .
We will help you SELL MORE and sell more ! You can
begin at absolutely no cost to you ! But don't believe
us . Ms Jones of Kentucky tried us and says "I've been
poor and I've been rich - rich is better" . This offer
is 100% legal . So make yourself rich now by ordering
immediately . Sign up a friend and you'll get a discount
of 60% ! God Bless ! Dear Sir or Madam ; Your email
address has been submitted to us indicating your interest
in our letter . If you are not interested in our publications
and wish to be removed from our lists, simply do NOT
respond and ignore this mail . This mail is being sent
in compliance with Senate bill 2216 ; Title 2 , Section
304 . This is a ligitimate business proposal ! Why
work for somebody else when you can become rich as
few as 98 weeks . Have you ever noticed nearly every
commercial on television has a .com on in it plus nearly
every commercial on television has a .com on in it
. Well, now is your chance to capitalize on this !
WE will help YOU sell more & deliver goods right to
the customer's doorstep ! You are guaranteed to succeed
because we take all the risk ! But don't believe us
! Ms Ames of Hawaii tried us and says "I was skeptical
but it worked for me" ! We are licensed to operate
in all states ! We BESEECH you - act now ! Sign up
a friend and you get half off ! God Bless .

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Andy Carvin wrote:

> (sorry if you get this message twice - I accidentally posted it to the old
> list address. Yes, folks, even I make stupid listserv mistakes...)
>
>  Hi everyone... I just wanted to let you know that I've just published my
> latest article. It takes a look at online steganography, the technique of
> hiding secret data files in public documents. There have been a lot of
> allegations as of late regarding terrorists supposedly using steganography
> to hide terrorist instructions in images on adult web sites. There's no
> proof to this claim, but the allegation has stirred up a lot of discussion
> regarding the Internet and balancing national security with personal civil
> liberties.
>
>  Because the piece is a bit off-topic for the list, I decided not to publish
> it in full here. But if you'd like to read it, it's available online here:
>
>  http://www.benton.org/DigitalBeat/db103101.html
>
>  I've also put together a demonstration of steganography, after I downloaded
> stego software off the Net and successfully hid a picture of my cat inside a
> public domain photo of the space shuttle:
>
>  http://www.benton.org/DigitalBeat/stegdemo.html
>
>  Hope some of you find it interesting...
>
>  thanks,
>  ac
>
> *****************************************
> Andy Carvin               andy@...
> Senior Associate
> Benton Foundation
> http://www.edwebproject.org/andy
> http://www.DigitalDivideNetwork.org
> *****************************************
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> http://www.edwebproject.org/anatolia
> *****************************************
>
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>
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>
>


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One must learn by doing the thing. For though you think you know
it, you have no certainty until you try.

~ Sophocles ~   (BC 495-406, Greek Tragic Poet)

WWWEDU FAQ:
Frequently Asked Questions

Last Update: October 11, 2001


The WWWEDU FAQ is posted at least once a month to WWWEDU. If you
have never read the WWWEDU FAQ before or are planning to post a message
for the first time, PLEASE READ CAREFULLY! And because the FAQ contains
information regarding list policies, I would strongly urge you to save a copy
for
future reference.

The most recent version is available on the Web at
http://www.edwebproject.org/wwwedu.faq.html.

The purpose of this FAQ is to answer some of the most common questions
asked on this group, and to refer people left with unanswered questions to
available sources of additional help.

Submissions, comments, etcetera are welcomed, and should be sent to Andy
Carvin at acarvin@.... Comments posted to the WWWEDU list
should have a subject header containing "WWWEDU FAQ" so that Andy
notices them as quickly as possible :-). Received materials will be considered
in
the public domain and subject to editing unless specific text to the contrary
accompanies the message (which may render the submission unusable).

                  Table of Contents

Section 1: General Questions
      1.1 What is WWWEDU?
      1.2 What are the posting guidelines for WWWEDU?
      1.3 What does WWWEDU have to do with EDWEB?
      1.4 Who the heck is Andy Carvin?
      1.5 How do I subscribe to WWWEDU?
      1.6 Is a daily digest available?
      1.7 How do I unsubscribe from WWWEDU?
      1.8 Where is the WWWEDU archive, and is it searchable?


                Section 1: General Questions


1.1 What is WWWEDU?

      WWWEDU (The World Wide Web in Education List) is moderated list
      coordinated by Andy Carvin at the Benton Foundation. The purpose of
      WWWEDU is to offer educators, students, webmasters, policy makers,
      parents, and Internet users in general a continuous discussion on the
      role of World Wide Web use in education. The Web is an ideal
      environment for teaching students of all ages. A well-conceived Web
      site can inspire creativity and interactivity, yet it is still too new of
an
      environment for us to completely grasp its potential. What are teachers
      and students doing with the Web today? How can the structure of the
      Web positively affect learning and assessment? What else can be done
      to expand the Web's role in education? And how can we encourage
      non-Web using schools and educators to take advantage of this new
      tool? WWWEDU will hopefully provide a forum for these questions
      and others as they come up.

      WWWEDU is targeted for use by educators, students, parents and
      webmasters, but anyone with a keen interest in the use of the Web in
      education is welcome to join. Discussion is moderated, but anyone may
      jump in at any time to begin a new topic. Standard netiquette and
      courtesy apply at all times, and flaming will not be tolerated.

      WWWEDU's home page can be found at
      http://www.edwebproject.org/wwwedu.html.

1.2 What are the guidelines for posting WWWEDU?

      Because WWWEDU is a moderated group, all posts that are submitted
      to the list must be approved by Andy Carvin before they can be
      distributed to the entire subscribership. All posts must be in plain text
      (sometimes called ascii text), in order for all members of the list to be
      able to read them. _Never_ post an attachment or anything coded in
      HTML, for these messages will seriously mess up digests of the list. If
      you're going to post to the list, be sure to check that your email
      software is set up to send messages as plain text or ascii rather than
      HTML or MIME-encoded. If necessary, make the change in your
      software's preferences before you post a message.

      In general, the following subjects (and any related issues) are
      considered fair game:

           The use of the web in education
           Expanding web access and publishing into the classroom
           Announcements of free educational web resources
           Promotion of easy access to the web for all levels of education
           Educational web site reviews
           Educational interactivity in web environments (MOO's, chat
           rooms, etc.)
           Politics and policies that may affect web use in education
           Web-related grants, projects, contests, and other opportunities
           ancillary web issues such as Acceptable Use Policies,
           student-teacher publishing rights, etc.

      In contrast, the following subjects are considered inappropriate and
      may be rejected for publication:

           General questions on education
           General questions on non-Internet media technologies (cd-roms,
           video, etc)
           Private posts to members of the group
           For-profit advertisements of any type whatsoever
           Requests for Greetings (such as "please send a message to my
           class and tell them where you are!")
           Administrative questions (post these directly to
           acarvin@...)
           Computer virus warnings (see below)

      Most of the above examples are straightforward, but I'd like to explain
      the virus warning ban. Every now and then you may receive an email
      from someone warning you about some new computer virus,
      encouraging you to spread the word. In 99.9% of all cases, these
      messages are _hoaxes_. The virus itself doesn't exist; rather, the
      hundreds of thousands of emails generated by people spreading the
      word about it is the actual virus, taking up precious Internet bandwidth.
      If you are determined to post a warning, though, please check the Virus
      Warning website at http://www.kumite.com/myths to confirm or debunk
      the virus' existence.

      Sometimes, the occasional off-topic message will be allowed if the
      subject is clearly of interest to the WWWEDU community. But in
      general, the reason for disallowing these subjects is simply that there
      are often more appropriate forums for them elsewhere on the Net, and
      because the vast majority of WWWEDU subscribers subscribe to more
      than one discussion list, they would be bombarded with redundancies.
      For example, if you have a general question related to technology
      policy, I would highly recommend you post it to the EDTECH list at
      edtech@.... For a comprehensive list of other
      educational/technology lists, please visit
      http://www.edwebproject.org/lists.html.

      As for the rule for not allowing "requests for greetings," invariably they
      clog up the discussion because people will cc-post their responses to
      the group, and not directly to the original person. As noted before,
      flaming, rudeness and commercial advertisements will not be tolerated.
      If you are unable to follow these rules, you will be removed from the
      list.

      When posting a message to the list, be sure to consider the following:

      Write clear and meaningful titles. If you're going to post an email to
      the list, the title of your message should be clear enough to convey the
      purpose of that message. For example, if I have a question regarding
      elementary school students accessing the Web, I shouldn't title the
      message as "Question" or "Help." A much clearer title would be
      something like "Web Access in K-6?" or "Using the Web in
      Elementary." Or, if you're going to post your first message to the list,
      you might want to say "Introduction: Bill Gates," assuming your name
      was Bill Gates, of course. Clear message titles are important because
      many WWWEDU subscribers received hundreds of emails a day, so if
      you want to be sure your message gets a close look, your title should
      be clear and should stand out.

      Don't post huge messages. You should always say what you want to
      say, but don't post messages that drag on for pages unless you've got
      a really good reason for it. Long messages are slower to process and
      can cause bottlenecks in the listserver. So if you want to announce that
      you've got a call for registration for a conference, post a summary and
      let us know how to get a copy of it, instead of posting the entire
      conference program.

      Responding to another message: private vs. public posting. Ideally,
      when a person posts a message to the list, we all like to see responses
      posted as well, assuming the original poster hasn't requested that the
      responses be private. When you respond to a message, the mailing list
      system is set up in such a way that your response will go automatically
      back to WWWEDU and not the original author - please be aware of
      that when you compose your message. And whenever possible, trim
      the size of the original message - there's no reason to repost the entire
      original, since we've all seen it before. Instead, include the highlights
      and key points to which you're responding. And NEVER respond with
      an entire daily digest of messages tacked to the bottom of the message
      - emails that large will never be posted due to size constraints. There's
      also no need to respond with a post that says "Yes, I agree," or "me
      too" and nothing else. If you're going to post a message, make sure that
      message is adding to the conversation. :-)

      Sign your messages! All posts to WWWEDU must be signed with
      your name and email address, and preferably your location and what
      you do. Be sure to say exactly where you are - for example, if I signed
      my messages Andy Carvin, Cook Middle School, no one will be able to
      tell if I'm in Arkansas, Australia or anywhere else. Anonymous postings
      to lists in general is considered rather impolite and won't be posted.
      Besides, it can make it very difficult for people to respond to you
      privately.

      Posting regular project updates. If you're like me and you like to post
      updates about your particular website or project on a regular basis,
      don't bombard us with an overabundance of messages. If your site is
      dynamic enough to merit a posted update ever week or two, than feel
      free to do it. But if you want to post a message every week just to
      reannounce your site, even if there aren't substantial changes to the
      site, please hold off and wait til there's something new to announce.
      Never post attachments of any kind!Attachments are the scourge of
      listservs everywhere because they can't be processed by every email
      reader. While it may seem nice to attach a picture, a business card or a
      Word file to your messages sometimes, this means that hundreds of
      subscribers will get your attachment as pages of garbage data. Under
      no circumstances can attachments be posted to the list.

1.3 What does WWWEDU have to do with The EdWeb Project?

      The relationship between EdWeb and WWWEDU is a bit nebulous.
      Both are maintained by Andy Carvin, and the WWWEDU home page is
      hosted on EdWeb. Beyond that, they tend to follow different paths.
      EdWeb focuses strictly on K-12 education, reform, and
      telecommunications policy, and all of the content is written and/or
      edited by Andy. WWWEDU, on the other hand, does not focus
      specifically on K-12 (though it is certainly an important component of
      it). Discussion spans all aspects of education, from kindergarten to
      adult learning, and is tied together by their involvement on the World
      Wide Web.

1.4 Who the heck is Andy Carvin anyway?

      Andy Carvin (acarvin@..., 202-454-5627), moderator of
      WWWEDU, is Senior Associate for the Benton Foundation in
      Washington DC. Andy is the editor of the Digital Divide Network
      (http://www.DigitalDivideNetwork.org), a national coalition of high tech
      corporations and nonprofit foundations working to find solutions to
      the digital divide. Andy and his writings have appeared in numerous
      publications, including the New York Times, Harvard Educational
      Review, Education Week, the Washington Post, Rolling Stone, the
      Village Voice, Esther Dyson's Release 1.0, Web Review, and the second
      edition of The Internet Unleashed, published by Sams/MacMillan.

      Andy was named in 1999 by eSchoolNews magazine as a member of the
      Impact 30, an annual list highlighting 30 of the most influencial people
      in education technology today. He is a member of the Board of
      Directors for the Asia/Pacific Center for Justice and Peace, a consortium
      of NGOs that promotes democracy, free speech and freedom of religion
      across Asia. He also serves on the Board of the Consortium for School
      Networking (CoSN), which advocates policies regarding the role of
      information technology in schools. He previously served as New Media
      Program Officer for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, where he
      developed Internet-related grant programs for the public broadcasting
      community.

      Andy holds a bachelor of science in rhetoric and religion and a master
      of arts in telecommunications from Northwestern University, where he
      received the prestigious Annenberg/Washington Graduate Fellowship.
      While living in Illinois, he was co-founder and editor-in-chief of the
      Chicago area arts weekly, Art+Performance magazine. In his free time,
      Andy has traveled extensively around the world and has written about
      his adventures in popular online travelogues. In January 1999, Andy
      premiered From Sideshow to Genocide: Stories of the Cambodian
      Holocaust (http://www.edwebproject.org/sideshow), a historical
      collection of accounts from survivors of the Khmer Rouge regime. Most
      recently Andy published Anatolian Fortnight
      (http://www.edwebproject.org/anatolia), detailing his September 1999
      trip from Istanbul to Mount Ararat.

1.5 How do I subscribe to WWWEDU?

      To join WWWEDU, send a message to
      wwwedu-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. You will then be added to the
      WWWEDU list.

      When you first join WWWEDU, please post an introduction of
      yourself to the group, and feel free to suggest any discussion topics.
      You may post at any time by sending a message to
      wwwedu@yahoogroups.com.

1.6 Is a daily digest available?

      Because WWWEDU can be a high-volume list at times, you can elect
      to receive the its postings in one large chunk each day. This is the best
      way to avoid information overload for many people, but it can also slow
      down one's involvement in the discussion. To receive the digest, visit
      the WWWEDU list management site at
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wwwedu and click on the "edit my
      membership" button on the right-hand side. Here you'll be able to
      switch your membership setting to digest format. If you ever need to
      switch it back, return to this same page and you'll be able to re-adjust
      your settings.

1.7 How do I unsubscribe from WWWEDU?

      To unsubscribe, send a message to
      wwwedu-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com. You'll then be removed from
      the list.

      If you experience any problems with the list, please contact Andy
      Carvin directly at acarvin@..., and no matter what, DO NOT
      post unsubscribe requests to the entire list.

1.8 Where is the WWWEDU archive, and is it searchable?

      You can access a hypermail archive of all posts from June of 1995 to the
      present at http://majordomo.wested.org/hyper-discussions/wwwedu.
      Messages are archived in year-by-year folders.

      If you want to perform a search of the entire archive, visit
      http://majordomo.wested.org/hyper-discussions/wwwedu.html. Both
      the archive and the search engine can also be accessed through the
      WWWEDU homepage at
      http://www.edwebproject.org/wwwedu.archive.html.

Hi folks,
I want to share this insightful message from David Thornburg. May his
thoughts resonate widely, and deeply.

Ferdi

From: "DThornburg@..." <DThornburg@...>

An open letter to enemies of democracy:

In the wake of 911 you saw a nation united in grief.  Now that we
have launched into responses to the actions of that day, you will
have the chance to see how true patriots behave.  You will see
dissent.  You will see some who feel our present course of action is
correct, some who feel it is not strong enough, and still others who
feel it is misguided.  All of these points of view reflect an
exercise of our rights -- the rights of people living in a
self-governed system -- rights guaranteeing our freedom of speech --
rights which, through their exercise, confirm our patriotic
allegiance to our country.

Dissent must never be interpreted as weakness, but as an exercise in
strength.  Those who move to stifle dissent are the true enemies of
democracy.  To understand why, consider this: Unlike citizens of many
other countries, Americans do not pledge allegiance to a human
leader.  Our allegiance is to our flag as a symbol of the idea of
democracy and freedom.  By dedicating ourselves to the idea and ideal
of freedom, we are free to debate the decisions made by our elected
leaders -- supporting or disagreeing with them as we wish.  We can
take our dissent to the streets as we did in the 1960's and be as
vocal as we want.  None of these actions must ever be interpreted as
an attack on democracy or on our government.  Dissenters have the
same patriotic allegiance to this country as those who support the
President's position.  We can all be proud to be Americans while
differing in our opinions on how we should conduct various aspects of
our business around the world.

So, if you see some of us in the streets, if you see our dissenting
perspectives in print, do not for an instant think that democracy is
being attacked.  The only way democracy can be attacked is if some
decide to attempt to stifle the rights of free speech and assembly
that form the cornerstones of our country.  If that happens, then
those people will be the true enemies of democracy.

The American journalist Walter Lippman once wrote that "if we all
think alike, then none of us thinks very much."

In support of good thinking,

David Thornburg
--
------------------------------------------
Ferdi Serim
Digital Storytelling Teacher
EJ Martinez Elem.
401 W. San Mateo
Santa Fe, NM 87501
www.sfps.k12.nm.us/ejmartinez/ej.html

"We are more than the sum of our knowledge,
     we are the products of our imagination." - Ferdi

(sorry if you get this message twice - I accidentally posted it to the old
list address. Yes, folks, even I make stupid listserv mistakes...)

  Hi everyone... I just wanted to let you know that I've just published my
latest article. It takes a look at online steganography, the technique of
hiding secret data files in public documents. There have been a lot of
allegations as of late regarding terrorists supposedly using steganography
to hide terrorist instructions in images on adult web sites. There's no
proof to this claim, but the allegation has stirred up a lot of discussion
regarding the Internet and balancing national security with personal civil
liberties.

  Because the piece is a bit off-topic for the list, I decided not to publish
it in full here. But if you'd like to read it, it's available online here:

  http://www.benton.org/DigitalBeat/db103101.html

  I've also put together a demonstration of steganography, after I downloaded
stego software off the Net and successfully hid a picture of my cat inside a
public domain photo of the space shuttle:

  http://www.benton.org/DigitalBeat/stegdemo.html

  Hope some of you find it interesting...

  thanks,
  ac

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Greetings!

Here's an exciting way to bring local, US & World geography to life
for your students with a very unique Web project.

The Degree Conflence Project
http://www.confluence.org

"The goal of the project is to visit each of the latitude and
longitude integer degree intersections in the world, and to take
pictures at each location. The pictures and stories will then be
posted here."

With a camera and a GPS receiver, you can join the fun. Or, you can
use this site as a model for a simpler student activity limited to
exploring the school property: find a location, take a photograph
with a digital camera, write a story about it, and post the results
to a webpage. With a little cross-curricular planning, you can
integrate technology with the language arts, science, and social
studies curriculum, and meet plenty of learning standards, too.

Speaking of Yahoo Groups, take a look at the nygps group, a new list
for teachers who are exploring the use of GPS in school in New York
State. Don't worry - we like teachers from other states, too!

Anton

Anton Ninno, K-12 Technology Integration Trainer
Center for Learning Technologies
CNY Regional Information Center, OCM-BOCES
Syracuse, NY 13221
Closest Confluence is 43N, 76W -- see it here:
http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat=43&lon=-76&visit=1

If you have slides , it might be good to purchase a good slide scanner. The half
decent ones are $200 to thousands. Nikon, Poloroid, Minolta make good ones for
around $500 to more. You can even bid on them on ebay.

Depends on what you want to use the slides for . To put on web the resolution
does not have to be that great (you can make due with the cheaper ones or even
microtek scanner comes with scanner attachment.
But for printing possible pics from slides you need a better scanner like above.

Hope that gets you started.
Dr.Eric Flescher

In a message dated Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:50:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, Kim Foley
<kimf@...> writes:

> Trevor,
>
> A colleage of mine may be able to answer your question. He's got one of
> the leading digital photo sites at www.shortcourses.com
>
> Good luck!
> Kim
> ----------------------------
> Kim Foley, Field Trips Site
> kim@...
> Author: The Big Pocket Guide to Using & Creating Virtual Field Trips
>
> http://www.field-trips.org   (Field Trips on Nature Topics for K-12)
> http://www.tramline.com      (Buy TourMaker Software here)
> ----------------------------
>
> The principal goal of education is to create people who are capable of
> doing new things, not simply repeating what other generations have done.
> - Piaget
>
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Trevor Shaw wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> > I'm looking into the possibility of digitizing a fairly extensive slide
> > collection (several thousand slides) for our art history class.
> >
> > Has anyone done anything similar? Who are some reputable companies we could
> > contact? What kind of price are we looking at?
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > ****************************
> > Trevor Shaw
> > Director of Academic Technology
> > Dwight-Englewood School
> > 315 E. Palisade Ave.
> > Englewood, NJ 07631
> > (v) (201) 569-9500 ext. 3244
> > (f) (201) 569-1688
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From: Trevor Shaw [mailto:Shawt@...]
I'm looking into the possibility of digitizing a fairly extensive slide
collection (several thousand slides) for our art history class.

Trevor,

	 I have been digitizing my own slides from the 10 years I spent in
Latin America.  I researched scanners at the local Best Buy, and found a
cheap one that has an attachment specifically for this purpose.

	 Alternatively, I have thought about using a cut-out piece of
cardboard to space the slides on the scanner platten and then using some
kind of light above the scanner. I think about these things because my cheap
scanner only does 1 slide at a time, and that becomes somewhat tedious after
about 5 slides.  I have seen good scanners that have an overhead
illumination attachment to scan slides and transparencies (Ulead makes one).

	 You have to use a graphic editor to then manipulate each slide, but
you probably have kids that will do that.

	 I looked into several photo companies doing this for me, and quickly
came to the conclusion that doing it myself would illiminate having to take
out a second morgage.

Patrick  Greene, PhD
Florida Gulf Coast University
pgreene@...

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change
the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."         -- Margaret
Mead

Trevor,

A colleage of mine may be able to answer your question. He's got one of
the leading digital photo sites at www.shortcourses.com

Good luck!
Kim
----------------------------
Kim Foley, Field Trips Site
kim@...
Author: The Big Pocket Guide to Using & Creating Virtual Field Trips

http://www.field-trips.org 	 (Field Trips on Nature Topics for K-12)
http://www.tramline.com 	 (Buy TourMaker Software here)
----------------------------

The principal goal of education is to create people who are capable of
doing new things, not simply repeating what other generations have done.
- Piaget

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Trevor Shaw wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I'm looking into the possibility of digitizing a fairly extensive slide
> collection (several thousand slides) for our art history class.
>
> Has anyone done anything similar? Who are some reputable companies we could
> contact? What kind of price are we looking at?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ****************************
> Trevor Shaw
> Director of Academic Technology
> Dwight-Englewood School
> 315 E. Palisade Ave.
> Englewood, NJ 07631
> (v) (201) 569-9500 ext. 3244
> (f) (201) 569-1688
> shawt@...
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>

Has anyone done anything similar? Who are some reputable companies
we could contact? What kind of price are we looking at?

Or does anyone know of equipment to purchase that is reasonably priced?

Alex Babione
ababion@...

Hi folks,
I'm looking into the possibility of digitizing a fairly extensive slide
collection (several thousand slides) for our art history class.

Has anyone done anything similar? Who are some reputable companies we could
contact? What kind of price are we looking at?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

****************************
Trevor Shaw
Director of Academic Technology
Dwight-Englewood School
315 E. Palisade Ave.
Englewood, NJ 07631
(v) (201) 569-9500 ext. 3244
(f) (201) 569-1688
shawt@...
**************************************

Here's a new free resource you might find interesting to support
professional development initiatives...

Mary Anne Mather
Knowledge Loom Project Coordinator
Northeast and Islands Regional Educational Lab at Brown University
Education Alliance
Mary_Anne_Mather@...
401/274-9548 Ext. 315


Good Models of Teaching with Technology (GMOTT)
Spotlighted on The Knowledge Loom

The Knowledge Loom (http://knowledgeloom.org) has just launched a
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http://knowledgeloom.org.

I was using the Canon L1... I think I plugged it in when one of the devices
was powered up

George

I have one.. be careful... it burnt out my camcorder's video board..



Re

Hi George,

Thanks for the tip. We might be considering an investment in Dazzle. Are you

sure that it was the Dazzle card that caused the problem? What model

camcorder were you using? Can you give more information?

****************************

Trevor Shaw

Director of Academic Technology

Dwight-Englewood School

315 E. Palisade Ave.

Englewood, NJ 07631

(v) (201) 569-9500 ext. 3244

(f) (201) 569-1688

shawt@...

**************************************

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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:31 PM

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Hi everyone... I know through several private emails that some folks had
expressed concern regarding using video cameras as editing decks when making
digital movies for the Web. For those of you who use Sony miniDV cameras,
one of the common complaints against them is that they start to crinkle
tapes after 50 or 100 hours of recording use. There are several potential
causes to this, the most common being the accumulation of gunk on the
capstan of the recording unit.

Below is a URL that might be of use. It talks about some of the causes and
remedies for tape crinkles.

http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/trouble/index.html

(the page is specifically for the Sony trv900, but much of it applies to
other sony miniDV cameras)

My girlfriend and I have been using a Sony VX-2000 for the last year or so
to edit her documentary on Thai boxing. (I'm serving as editor in the
project.) One of the cameras we used experienced crinkling, while another
one's been fine. The one that had the problems required repair work. The
repair guy theorized it was because we were being too impatient when it came
to closing the doors after putting in a miniDV tape. It's important to push
the inner door first, let it close electronically, then close the outer
door.

Apart from that one issue, I've probably logged several hundred hours of
digitizing and editing with our VX-2000 and it's performed very well.

For those of you wondering what kind of setup we have at home, I've got a
Mac G4 with a 433Mhz processor, 384 megs of RAM, 30 gig internal hard disk +
120 gigs of external firewire hard disks (broadcast-quality miniDV video
takes up a whopping 12 gigs per hour, and we've already run out of disk
space), and a firewire hub for connecting an extra four firewire devices.
We're using Final Cut Pro 1.25, which I love immensely. Normally iMovie
would suit most people's needs, but since we're editing this for eventual TV
broadcast, we need to take advantage of some of FCP's more advanced
features.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Hellam [mailto:david@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:25 AM
> To: wwwedu@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [WWWEDU] - iMovie Equivalent???
>
>
> Don't know if it's of any use - like the typical Yorkshire
> advice on giving
> directions. But I just got a new laptop <smug boast> with XP
> pre-installed.
>
> It comes with something called the "Windows Movie Maker"...
>
> Looks like a poor man's iMovie - but since I only started
> playing with it
> last night, it's a little early to tell whether it would meet all of a
> typical class teacher's needs...
>
> Managed to dissect and mix up some music video mpegs quite effectively
> though...
>
> Now, if I could only find drivers for my webcam and digital
> camera for XP...
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Don't know if it's of any use - like the typical Yorkshire advice on giving
directions. But I just got a new laptop <smug boast> with XP pre-installed.

It comes with something called the "Windows Movie Maker"...

Looks like a poor man's iMovie - but since I only started playing with it
last night, it's a little early to tell whether it would meet all of a
typical class teacher's needs...

Managed to dissect and mix up some music video mpegs quite effectively
though...

Now, if I could only find drivers for my webcam and digital camera for XP...
--
David Hellam - david@... - Kuwait

Hi George,
Thanks for the tip. We might be considering an investment in Dazzle. Are you
sure that it was the Dazzle card that caused the problem? What model
camcorder were you using? Can you give more information?

****************************
Trevor Shaw
Director of Academic Technology
Dwight-Englewood School
315 E. Palisade Ave.
Englewood, NJ 07631
(v) (201) 569-9500 ext. 3244
(f) (201) 569-1688
shawt@...
**************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: Lessard, George [mailto:glessard@...]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:31 PM
To: 'wwwedu@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [WWWEDU] - iMovie Equivalent???


Re Dazzel..

I have one.. be careful... it burnt out my camcorder's video board..



* George Lessard,
* glessard@...
Standard Disclaimer:
I speak for no one in particular but myself.
Void where prohibited by law.
My employer does not speak for me.
I do not speak for my employer
We both like it that way.
:-)
)


-----Original Message-----
From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:22 PM
To: wwwedu@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WWWEDU] - iMovie Equivalent???


Keith
The dazzle comes with it's own software as well .
There is a program from sonic foundry for $99 that looks pretty good fyi for
another choice.
I like the way Imovie works and once I got the hang of it, making videos
just took time and some creativity.
Anyone seriously doing movies videos should use digital or dig 8. So much
better then hi 8mm and will last longer, color is better and copies
perfectly from tape to tape without loss.
Anyone else who has hi 8mm or vhs (does not work with imovie unless you
convert first to digital) -a good hardware package somewhat like Dazzle but
has usb connections and no firewire is Global village fx. Is you want the
review (is it for mac) I can send it to you. (send me email privately).
Patrick
How does the Ulead program work that allows you to edit without importing it
to the computer?


Thanks
Dr.Eric Flescher



In a message dated Mon, 29 Oct 2001  2:40:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
"Greene, Patrick" <pgreene@...> writes:

> From: Keith Vallis <Keith_Vallis@...>
> >
> > Can any body suggest a PC equivalent to iMovie please?
> >
> We purchased Dazzle's DV-Editor includes a Firewire Card for a PC and a
copy
> of Ulead's Video Studio all for $99.  I like it better than the iMovie
> because it lets you edit without having to import the files into the
> computer.
>
> Patrick  Greene, PhD
> Florida Gulf Coast University
> pgreene@...
>
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
change
> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."         --
Margaret
> Mead
>
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Re Dazzel..

I have one.. be careful... it burnt out my camcorder's video board..



* George Lessard,
* glessard@...
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Void where prohibited by law.
My employer does not speak for me.
I do not speak for my employer
We both like it that way.
:-)
)


-----Original Message-----
From: KCStarguy@... [mailto:KCStarguy@...]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:22 PM
To: wwwedu@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WWWEDU] - iMovie Equivalent???


Keith
The dazzle comes with it's own software as well .
There is a program from sonic foundry for $99 that looks pretty good fyi for
another choice.
I like the way Imovie works and once I got the hang of it, making videos
just took time and some creativity.
Anyone seriously doing movies videos should use digital or dig 8. So much
better then hi 8mm and will last longer, color is better and copies
perfectly from tape to tape without loss.
Anyone else who has hi 8mm or vhs (does not work with imovie unless you
convert first to digital) -a good hardware package somewhat like Dazzle but
has usb connections and no firewire is Global village fx. Is you want the
review (is it for mac) I can send it to you. (send me email privately).
Patrick
How does the Ulead program work that allows you to edit without importing it
to the computer?


Thanks
Dr.Eric Flescher



In a message dated Mon, 29 Oct 2001  2:40:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
"Greene, Patrick" <pgreene@...> writes:

> From: Keith Vallis <Keith_Vallis@...>
> >
> > Can any body suggest a PC equivalent to iMovie please?
> >
> We purchased Dazzle's DV-Editor includes a Firewire Card for a PC and a
copy
> of Ulead's Video Studio all for $99.  I like it better than the iMovie
> because it lets you edit without having to import the files into the
> computer.
>
> Patrick  Greene, PhD
> Florida Gulf Coast University
> pgreene@...
>
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
change
> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."         --
Margaret
> Mead
>
>
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Keith
The dazzle comes with it's own software as well .
There is a program from sonic foundry for $99 that looks pretty good fyi for
another choice.
I like the way Imovie works and once I got the hang of it, making videos just
took time and some creativity.
Anyone seriously doing movies videos should use digital or dig 8. So much better
then hi 8mm and will last longer, color is better and copies perfectly from tape
to tape without loss.
Anyone else who has hi 8mm or vhs (does not work with imovie unless you convert
first to digital) -a good hardware package somewhat like Dazzle but has usb
connections and no firewire is Global village fx. Is you want the review (is it
for mac) I can send it to you. (send me email privately).
Patrick
How does the Ulead program work that allows you to edit without importing it to
the computer?


Thanks
Dr.Eric Flescher



In a message dated Mon, 29 Oct 2001  2:40:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Greene,
Patrick" <pgreene@...> writes:

> From: Keith Vallis <Keith_Vallis@...>
> >
> > Can any body suggest a PC equivalent to iMovie please?
> >
> We purchased Dazzle's DV-Editor includes a Firewire Card for a PC and a copy
> of Ulead's Video Studio all for $99.  I like it better than the iMovie
> because it lets you edit without having to import the files into the
> computer.
>
> Patrick  Greene, PhD
> Florida Gulf Coast University
> pgreene@...
>
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change
> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."         -- Margaret
> Mead
>
>
>
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From: Keith Vallis <Keith_Vallis@...>
>
> Can any body suggest a PC equivalent to iMovie please?
>
We purchased Dazzle's DV-Editor includes a Firewire Card for a PC and a copy
of Ulead's Video Studio all for $99.  I like it better than the iMovie
because it lets you edit without having to import the files into the
computer.

Patrick  Greene, PhD
Florida Gulf Coast University
pgreene@...

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change
the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."         -- Margaret
Mead

This week's edition of the Social Studies forum looks at the arts in
teaching social studies.

The forum is set for 8 p.m. Eastern (5 p.m. Pacific time), Wednesday,
October 31, in TAPPED IN (http://www.tappedin.org).

As always TAPPED IN help desk personnel will be onhand to assist new
users.  It's recommended that new users log in approximately 10 minutes
early to become acquainted with the easy-to-use interface.

In addition, some users may want to remember that this week marks the
end of daylight savings time (almost everyone had their clocks "fall
back" an hour on October 28), and that may affect them.

Also, after the October 31 session, the forum will be scheduled biweekly
in order to more completely promote sessions.  Our next session will be
on November 14, and will feature guests who will discuss how to use CNN
Newsroom in the social studies classroom.

Sincerely,

Michael Hutchison

--
Michael Hutchison
Social Studies teacher
Lincoln High School
Vincennes, Indiana
E-mail:  mhutch@... (home); hutchisonm@... (school)
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>
> Hi
>
> I am starting an online course in psychology and intend to
> carry out a thorough evaluation of the course by using
> questionnaires, diaries and in-depth interviews.  I have
> searched the net to find out how experienced educators have
> done such an evaluation, but with poor results. I wonder
> whether any of you know where I can find models for my
> ambitious work. I am particularly interested in good
> questionnairs that can give me some ideas about what to
> include in the one I intend to make.
>
> Per Gathen
gathen@...
>


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Hey Andy, congratulations!

Who needs a server, anyway. Glad you got a new server!
What's a server? ;-)

BTW, have you been listening for news from the 'stans
on your shortwave radio lately? Beats TV and the networks.
As a world traveler, I'm guessing you have SW radio, right?

Anton



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Ding Dong the List is Dead
Which old List, the WWWEDU List
Ding Dong the WWWEDU List is Dead...

oh, yes, long live the list


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couldn't help myself after Ted's most recent contribution.

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Ted Nellen wrote:

the list is dead long live the list.

You have several choices for Windows "iMovie-like" software packages. Below
is a list of the software I've tried.  Each package is under $100 and easy to
use.  (I assume you're looking for something below the high-end solutions
such as Adobe Premier.)

Microsoft Windows ME Movie Maker:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsME/using/video/articles/default.asp

MGI VideoWave:
http://www.mgisoft.com/partners/education/eduVW4.html

ULead Video Studio:
http://www.ulead.com/vs/runme.htm

Video Framer:
http://www.flickerfree.com/vf.html

Another solution is to buy iBooks loaded with Virtual PC software.  This will
emulate the Windows OS and allow you to use both platforms with one machine.
The other great part of this solutions is that you will get to enjoy the
internal wireless cards that fit under the keyboard of an iBook and the
longer battery life.  We have both Windows laptops and iBooks.  We purchased
both so that we could enjoy both platforms.  In the future we will seriously
consider buying iBooks with Virtual PC instead because it is easier to
support one platform/one machine from a tech side, the iBook batteries last
hours longer, and the internal wireless cards are much easier to maintain
than the PCI cards that can be easily slipped out of the slots of our Windows
machines and be broken, lost, or stolen.

Virtual PC
http://www.connectix.com/

Hope this helps,

Tonya Witherpsoon
College of Education
Wichita State University



In a message dated 10/25/2001 10:31:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
edadmin9@... writes:


> From: Keith Vallis <Keith_Vallis@...>
>
> Can any body suggest a PC equivalent to iMovie please?
>
> We'll be giving staff laptops, with a choice between Mac and Win(2000)
> platform.
> We'd like to think they could edit movies equally well on their PCs and
> Macs,
> but iMovie is the clincher at this stage.
>
> Any shareware or (relatively inexpensive)ware for win2000 that does movie
> editing please?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> TIA
>
> Keith Vallis
> Barker College
> Sydney
> 61 2 9847 8276
>
>




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the list is dead long live the list.


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Hi everyone... As promised, wwwedu has made the transition to its new server
at yahoogroups.com. A few quick admin items:

If you used to receive wwwedu in digest format and are now getting
individual messages, you can change your settings by going to the wwwedu
admin page at yahoogroups:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wwwedu

If you click on the "edit my membership" button on the right side of the
page, you'll be able to switch your membership to digest format. If it
doesn't work, please email me privately and I'll take care of it.

If you haven't received wwwedu in a long time and are suddenly getting
messages, it's because you never actually left the list - you only postponed
your messages from coming it. If this is the case, you can also go to the
admin website URL listed above, click the edit membership button, and leave
the list. Alternatively, you can send an email to
wwwedu-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com and that should remove you from the list.

WWWEDU's official homepage and archive will continue to remain at my edweb
site (http://edwebproject.org/wwwedu.html) but we'll also have access to the
yahoo groups admin page (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wwwedu), which
includes several features I hope list members find useful:


Chat
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wwwedu/chat
Allows group members to conduct text chats as well as voice chats

Files
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wwwedu/files/
A repository where members can place files for sharing with the list.
(For example, I'm keeping a copy of the wwwedu FAQ here.)

Photos
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwwedu/lst
An online photo album where members can archive images of interest to the
list.

Bookmarks
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wwwedu/links
A hotlist of URLs shared by list members. I'd encourage people to use this
to list their favorite sites and tools, which we can use for future
reference.

Database
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wwwedu/database
A basic databasing feature.

Polls
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wwwedu/polls
We can use this to conduct quick surveys of list members.

Anyway, I hope you get a chance to explore these features....

Today, I'll also repost the latest version of the wwwedu faq just so
everyone can have a copy of current list procedures. I'll also post a list
announcement that you can share with your colleagues - as you may have
noticed, list membership has dwindled somewhat over the last couple of years
(from around 1700 to around 1400), and I'd like to get the word out to folks
who might be interested.

Thanks for your patience during this transition. I really appreciate it.

take care,
ac

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