I should be there between 10:30 and 11:00, Gwatcdr.
     Mike
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Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 9:32 PM
Subject: [wvsoar] Re: RE: Level III Project


>Greetings
>Are any of you guys going to Bob Evans tomorrow?
>Let me know.
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>To: wvsoar@egroups.com
>Subject: [wvsoar] Re: Level III Project
>
>Well, I guess that about settles that question.  The only one left is when
>the White Coat guys come to get him.
>
>Mike
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>Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 12:55 PM
>Subject: [wvsoar] Level III Project
>
>
>>Well, I guess it's about settled.  After the Bull Dog it's going to
>>be:::::::::::::::::::::
>>
>>Full Scale AMRAAAM.
>>Diameter: 7.5"
>>Length: 12'-0"
>>Weight: 40-50 lb.
>>Motor:  98mm "M"
>>
>>I told you the wrong name of the rocket company last night.
>>You can find them at "http://members.aol.com/SMOKINRKTS/AMRAAM.html"
>>
>>Check it out...
>>
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Hey
Wait for me.
I'll be there in the afternoon by 230 pm
Mark

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To: wvsoar@egroups.com
Subject: [wvsoar] Altimeter..



	 I plan on bringing and using my altimeter this Saturday.  Any who
want to watch it assembled let me know and I'll wait till you get there.
I use the CPR 2000 from PML.

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Greetings
Are any of you guys going to Bob Evans tomorrow?
Let me know.
Mark

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Well, I guess that about settles that question.  The only one left is when
the White Coat guys come to get him.

Mike
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Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 12:55 PM
Subject: [wvsoar] Level III Project


>Well, I guess it's about settled.  After the Bull Dog it's going to
>be:::::::::::::::::::::
>
>Full Scale AMRAAAM.
>Diameter: 7.5"
>Length: 12'-0"
>Weight: 40-50 lb.
>Motor:  98mm "M"
>
>I told you the wrong name of the rocket company last night.
>You can find them at "http://members.aol.com/SMOKINRKTS/AMRAAM.html"
>
>Check it out...
>
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Well, I guess that about settles that question.  The only one left is when
the White Coat guys come to get him.

Mike
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Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 12:55 PM
Subject: [wvsoar] Level III Project


>Well, I guess it's about settled.  After the Bull Dog it's going to
>be:::::::::::::::::::::
>
>Full Scale AMRAAAM.
>Diameter: 7.5"
>Length: 12'-0"
>Weight: 40-50 lb.
>Motor:  98mm "M"
>
>I told you the wrong name of the rocket company last night.
>You can find them at "http://members.aol.com/SMOKINRKTS/AMRAAM.html"
>
>Check it out...
>
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Well, I guess it's about settled.  After the Bull Dog it's going to
be:::::::::::::::::::::

Full Scale AMRAAAM.
Diameter: 7.5"
Length: 12'-0"
Weight: 40-50 lb.
Motor:  98mm "M"

I told you the wrong name of the rocket company last night.
You can find them at "http://members.aol.com/SMOKINRKTS/AMRAAM.html"

Check it out...

Don

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I'm receiving the e-mail.  You guys are chatting like crazy.  Thanks again for
the help in Muncie.  Lisa, Thanks for sharing him long enough for him to help
us.
God Bless You
Mark

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, September 13, 1998 7:19 PM
To: wvsoar@egroups.com
Subject: [wvsoar] Hello All!


	 I think that the bugs are woked out.  Those of you who are
receiving messages please reply so I can be sure who is getting the
e-mail.

	 Maybe Mark or Don will post a little about the Muncie, IN launch.


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I plan on bringing and using my altimeter this Saturday.  Any who
want to watch it assembled let me know and I'll wait till you get there.
I use the CPR 2000 from PML.

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75 MM motors are significantly less expensive than the 98mm motors.

Take a look at Ellis Mountian Rocket works page

http://members.aol.com/RLT2K/reloads.html

They look similar in performance to the Aerotech 75mm but Aerotech has yet
to establish a price.  I would imagine the price from AT being similar.
All things being equal I think I will fly the AT propellant.  I like the
way AT assembles screws closed as opposed to snap rings.


	 Maybe after you and I  (Mark too if he can keep up....;-)

Get Level 3 then we can have a club project and build a large rocket
together.  Personally I am thinking of a scale up of the R2-D2 Kit!!!
But will entertain other ideas... like a really big sputnik, or perhaps
just a really big rocket!

	 T


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Mat, Did you see the 2-Jerks.  As you could see, there was some real
strange dudes there.

I am going to use the Bull Dog for Level 2 only.  I think level 2 goes up
tp "K".  That's a big motor.  I don't think I can afford Level 3.
If I do, maybe it will be a full scale AMRAAM.  7.5"-Dia X 12' long.

Do you know how much the 75mm cases will be ?

I ordered some extra length of 6" tube so I can stretch the DOG a bit and
build an electronics bay.  I would like to use my altimerter in it.  I am
going to give the paint job some serious thought cause I want to come up
with something neat.  I may glass it but that does add weight.  I allways
use glass cloth and glass the fins into the body anyway.
This way the fins can bend quite a bit without cracking in the joint.

At the last minute of ordering the DOG, I almost changed it to the
Pteradactyl.  I didn't see any Dogs flying at the launch so I went ahead
and went with that.

I really liked the launch and was glad you were there.  I can't wait for
the next one.
The Hobby Shop will be gone at the end of next month and I'm not sure how
much money I will have left after making payments on what I owe there.
Today is my divorce hearing and I should know what I will have to pay in
child support and anything else.  I really pondered over ordering the Dog
because I have other things which needed the money more.  I just sold three
models on EBAY for $300.00 so I used that to buy it.  I did it now while I
had the money.

Once I get the hobby shop payed for, I will be able to build a ship to the
moon if I want.

Dustin kept saying that he wished he had brought some of his rockets but I
didn't know that they would be launching so many little ones.
I told Mark that one neat thing about the launch was that they treated the
launch of the little ones with the same respect as the big ones.

Ole well, I guess I don't have anything to do.  I call this mumbling.
I wasn't sure that I would get to go but thanks to Mark and his car I did.

When I get on my feet I would like to get a van so we can haul rockets and
several of use go together.

OK, enough mumbling.......See you later.........Don
----------
> From: Matthew Phillips <mrphilli@...>
> To: wvsoar@egroups.com
> Subject: [wvsoar] Bull Pup
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 7:03 PM
>
> Don,
>
>  Why don't you get PML to give you a 75 or 98MM mount for the Bull Pup.
> The you could use it for Level 3 too.
>
> Like your pictures..    Hope to finish my roll this Saturday and then
show
> them to you all.
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	 Why don't you get PML to give you a 75 or 98MM mount for the Bull Pup.
The you could use it for Level 3 too.

Like your pictures..    Hope to finish my roll this Saturday and then show
them to you all.





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More pics

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Subject: [wvsoar] Apollo Saturn V
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 5:34 PM


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OK, Now it's my turn...Be sure to check out the 2-Jerks.....

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Subject: [wvsoar] Apollo Saturn V
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 5:34 PM


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OK then.....Funny you should ask.........I will......

As you saw in the other e-mail that I sent....Mark and I are now Level 1.
We took the Level 2 test and passed.

Guess what this means ?   It means I have been inspired and now truely see
the light.  I mean the fire.  It means regaurdless of what you have been
told all your life, It is in the size.  Bigger is better and more fun to
play with.

It means that there is a big mean dog in my life and the only thing it eats
is money.
Stranded in the streets of the Bronx, NY with a flat tire and at 3:28 AM
cannot compare to the nervous excitment of watching your high power rocket
set on pad 26.  You pace in the hot sun waiting for the launcher to call up
your pad.  Your sweat runs down your face and in your eyes as you try to
retrace all the steps you did to get it prepped.  You try to think as fast
as you can before they call your name.

Did I put the parachte in ?
Did I put the O-rings in the motor correct ?
Did I pack the chute to tight ?
Did I get the motor friction fit good enough.  I told the guy at the
check-in table I did......But did I ?
Is the nose cone on to tight ?
Is it to loose and will come off at burn-out ?
Is it leaning on the pad to much ?
Will it staighten up and go straight up ?

OK, I'm sure it's ready..........

I can't stand it any more.  Launch the darn thing.  Give me my Nitro
tablets.

Oh No........Stop.....Don't Launch......I forgot to arm the
timer.....Stop.....Hold on pad
26...........................................

Although I want to see it go, It's almost to easy to Yell, STOP..I CHANGED
MY MIND...I WANT IT BACK..TAKE IT OFF THE PAD...

First I must say, as you can see I am at work with nothing on my mind but
SPEED, POWER, NOISE.........................................

Firts it was the C's, Then the D's, Then the G's, Now it's H's &
I's.....Gee, they seem so small.......I want K's and M's...............

Give me mooooooooore POWER SCOTTY....

OK, Now back to the dog....
I am going to put in an order with PML on Tuesday.  I got to have a BULL
DOG.  The heck with the PUPS......
I may order a length of Tube to stretch it a bit.......You know......Weenie
Dog.
If any body wwants something from PML, please let me know.
I have to meet a $250.00 Min.
This situation warrants an emergency so I have to put the order
in................WOW, BULL DOG (STRETCHED)



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> From: Matthew Phillips <mrphilli@...>
> To: wvsoar@egroups.com
> Subject: [wvsoar] Hello All!
> Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 4:19 PM
>
>
>  I think that the bugs are woked out.  Those of you who are
> receiving messages please reply so I can be sure who is getting the
> e-mail.
>
>  Maybe Mark or Don will post a little about the Muncie, IN launch.
>
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> Hello, I got it.
> Mark and I just got back from SMURF4.  We both got Level 1 Cert. and passed
> our Level II Test.........YEEEE---HAAAAAA !!!


Great!!!!  Now when do you launch for you level 2?


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Hello, I got it.
Mark and I just got back from SMURF4.  We both got Level 1 Cert. and passed
our Level II Test.........YEEEE---HAAAAAA !!!

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> From: michael betz <dabetz@...>
> To: wvsoar@egroups.com
> Subject: [wvsoar] Re: Hello All!
> Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 5:11 AM
>
> Hello  Matthew,
>
>     Mike Betz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Phillips <mrphilli@...>
> To: wvsoar@egroups.com <wvsoar@egroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 7:32 PM
> Subject: [wvsoar] Hello All!
>
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> >e-mail.
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> > Maybe Mark or Don will post a little about the Muncie, IN launch.
> >
> >
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Hello  Matthew,

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>
> I think that the bugs are woked out.  Those of you who are
>receiving messages please reply so I can be sure who is getting the
>e-mail.
>
> Maybe Mark or Don will post a little about the Muncie, IN launch.
>
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I think that the bugs are woked out.  Those of you who are
receiving messages please reply so I can be sure who is getting the
e-mail.

	 Maybe Mark or Don will post a little about the Muncie, IN launch.


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Sure will...


	 It may not be until the last weekend in September.  Any word on
the availability of the Bob Evans Farm Field or size of the new field near
Leon?

	 The field we use can handle up to an altitude of about 2000 feet..
maybe a less.  Depends on the way the wind is blowing.


Matthew

On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, michael betz wrote:

>     I take it from your message that you have a field at least big enough
> for E's.  Let me know a couple of days in advance next time.  If you're in
> or around Athens, I'm not that far away.
>
>     Mike Betz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Phillips <mrphilli@...>
> To: wvsoar@... <wvsoar@...>
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 9:55 AM
> Subject: [wvsoar] Launch Report 8-29
>
>
> >
> > On Saturday me, my wife, Andy and several members from the local
> >college held a small launch.
> > My main focus of the launch was the testing of the altimeter
> >deployment system by Adept Electronics.  It worked!  Drogue chute was
> >deployed at apogee while the main came out at about 300 feet.
> > Andy sucessfully launched his Saturn V on a cluster of 3 C
> >engines.  Hopefully he will fly it again at the next launch.  R2-D2 was
> >fixed after a recent crash so that Andy now owns R2-D12! It flew well.
> > Chad, a Hocking College student, flew a new Estes rocket.  At
> >apogee the rocket released two gliders that circled and followed the
> >booster back to earth. Another fine fun flying model.
> > A few fatalities were recorded.  My Estes Shadow's second flight
> >ended with a loud smack and crunch as the delay on an AT e15-7 proved a
> >little two long.  Lisa's Mean Machine also had a similar problem but the
> >culprit was a delay that did not fire...D12-5..  Becareful if you are
> >using that engine.... that is the first one that had definate probles but
> >Andy and I suspect that poor delays contributed to the crash of his Saturn
> >1B at the last Bob Evans Launch and another crash of Lisa's Mean
> >Machine...
> >
> >Hope you all had a good weekend..As this is Sunday morning and the sun is
> >brightly shining....perhaps I will return to the field...sending the
> >rockets climbing skyward..drifting downward...
> >
> >Submitted for your approval,
> >
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I take it from your message that you have a field at least big enough
for E's.  Let me know a couple of days in advance next time.  If you're in
or around Athens, I'm not that far away.

     Mike Betz

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Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 9:55 AM
Subject: [wvsoar] Launch Report 8-29


>
> On Saturday me, my wife, Andy and several members from the local
>college held a small launch.
> My main focus of the launch was the testing of the altimeter
>deployment system by Adept Electronics.  It worked!  Drogue chute was
>deployed at apogee while the main came out at about 300 feet.
> Andy sucessfully launched his Saturn V on a cluster of 3 C
>engines.  Hopefully he will fly it again at the next launch.  R2-D2 was
>fixed after a recent crash so that Andy now owns R2-D12! It flew well.
> Chad, a Hocking College student, flew a new Estes rocket.  At
>apogee the rocket released two gliders that circled and followed the
>booster back to earth. Another fine fun flying model.
> A few fatalities were recorded.  My Estes Shadow's second flight
>ended with a loud smack and crunch as the delay on an AT e15-7 proved a
>little two long.  Lisa's Mean Machine also had a similar problem but the
>culprit was a delay that did not fire...D12-5..  Becareful if you are
>using that engine.... that is the first one that had definate probles but
>Andy and I suspect that poor delays contributed to the crash of his Saturn
>1B at the last Bob Evans Launch and another crash of Lisa's Mean
>Machine...
>
>Hope you all had a good weekend..As this is Sunday morning and the sun is
>brightly shining....perhaps I will return to the field...sending the
>rockets climbing skyward..drifting downward...
>
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>
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On Saturday me, my wife, Andy and several members from the local
college held a small launch.
	 My main focus of the launch was the testing of the altimeter
deployment system by Adept Electronics.  It worked!  Drogue chute was
deployed at apogee while the main came out at about 300 feet.
	 Andy sucessfully launched his Saturn V on a cluster of 3 C
engines.  Hopefully he will fly it again at the next launch.  R2-D2 was
fixed after a recent crash so that Andy now owns R2-D12! It flew well.
	 Chad, a Hocking College student, flew a new Estes rocket.  At
apogee the rocket released two gliders that circled and followed the
booster back to earth. Another fine fun flying model.
	 A few fatalities were recorded.  My Estes Shadow's second flight
ended with a loud smack and crunch as the delay on an AT e15-7 proved a
little two long.  Lisa's Mean Machine also had a similar problem but the
culprit was a delay that did not fire...D12-5..  Becareful if you are
using that engine.... that is the first one that had definate probles but
Andy and I suspect that poor delays contributed to the crash of his Saturn
1B at the last Bob Evans Launch and another crash of Lisa's Mean
Machine...

Hope you all had a good weekend..As this is Sunday morning and the sun is
brightly shining....perhaps I will return to the field...sending the
rockets climbing skyward..drifting downward...

Submitted for your approval,

Matthew


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Hey all.  I was thinking about gathering more members for the club
and was wondering if you think it a good idea to submit our launch
schedule to the NAR to post on their web page and also include in
Sprocketry.  Several clubs also list their meeting dates/times.


Matthew


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So it might be possible for you and I to meet down at BE farms to launch?

Sounds like the beginning of a good plan to me.

Will you be attending the August meeting or does that fall into vacation
time as well?


On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, michael betz wrote:

> Don't Worry too much, Don and Mark are sometimes slow about answering their
> email.
>     I wouldn't mind every 2 weeks, but 1 a month fits my expenses better.
> Anyway, we're on vacation mid-August, so that's out.  The best I could do
> would be to throw some stuff in the car and head out.  I find I like to have
> you other guys there, so going by myself is not fun.
>
>     I check my mail every day, so let me know possible schedules.  Unlike
> the guys in Huntington, I have family in Gallipolis, so it's not a big trip
> to me.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Phillips <mrphilli@...>
> To: wvsoar@... <wvsoar@...>
> Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 12:05 PM
> Subject: [wvsoar] members
>
>
> >well it looks like it is just you and me Mike.
> >
> >How are the rockets doing?
> >
> >I have been working on getting my altimeter setup in one of mine.  I am
> >using an older one cause I figure it will work or it will fall from 2000
> >feet into the earth....
> >
> >What do you think about having  launches every 2 weeks?  I know that I
> >would like to do that.(As long as the money holds out!!)
> >
> >Matthew
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Don't Worry too much, Don and Mark are sometimes slow about answering their
email.
     I wouldn't mind every 2 weeks, but 1 a month fits my expenses better.
Anyway, we're on vacation mid-August, so that's out.  The best I could do
would be to throw some stuff in the car and head out.  I find I like to have
you other guys there, so going by myself is not fun.

     I check my mail every day, so let me know possible schedules.  Unlike
the guys in Huntington, I have family in Gallipolis, so it's not a big trip
to me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Phillips <mrphilli@...>
To: wvsoar@... <wvsoar@...>
Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 12:05 PM
Subject: [wvsoar] members


>well it looks like it is just you and me Mike.
>
>How are the rockets doing?
>
>I have been working on getting my altimeter setup in one of mine.  I am
>using an older one cause I figure it will work or it will fall from 2000
>feet into the earth....
>
>What do you think about having  launches every 2 weeks?  I know that I
>would like to do that.(As long as the money holds out!!)
>
>Matthew
>
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well it looks like it is just you and me Mike.

How are the rockets doing?

I have been working on getting my altimeter setup in one of mine.  I am
using an older one cause I figure it will work or it will fall from 2000
feet into the earth....

What do you think about having  launches every 2 weeks?  I know that I
would like to do that.(As long as the money holds out!!)

Matthew



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This is the first test message of the e-mail list.

Who is listening?

Matthew



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West Virginia Society of Amateur Rocketry (WVSOAR) #564

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