Sorry - Julian i meant to say i hope you DON'T get much junk mail! Wow!
Cheers Tony

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:20:06 -0800 Tony K Gelsthorpe <TonyGe@...>
writes:
> Hi Julian, Sounds really good ot me.Hope you get much junk mail. Tony
>
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:04:15 +0000 Julian Prior
> <joolsyp@...> writes:
> > hi everyone,
> >
> > Greenleaf bookstore, a radical/alternative bookshop in Bristol
> > provide
> > a Box number service for groups such as ours. I spoke to the woman
>
> > in
> > charge today and she is perfectly happy to provide this service to
>
> > us
> > as long as I pick up the mail reasonably frequently, say once a
> > week.
> >
> > Best of all its free!
> >
> > What do you all think?
> >
> > regards
> >
> > JP
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Hi All  Could someone send me again the core statement that was so nicely
set up and has the website at the bottom - I think Bruce sent me one, but
I seem to have misplaced or lost it in my computer. Cheers, tony



On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:38:46 -0500 (EST) wageslave@... writes:
> These guys in India are whacko.  I once read their minutes from a
> couple
> of years back where they expelled a guy from their party for
> attending
> his mothers funeral!
>
> They said he was being too religious.  Now they warned him when he
> attended his fathers funeral.  So the mothers was the last straw.
>
> Now they mentioned a Dr. Who.  He is the most inovative thinker left
> in
> the WSP-USA, and I am mildly surprised he is not part of this
> experiment.  Then again he is a very busy guy and remains focused on
> the
> WSM.
>
> What they say about " compainion parties " with distain has some
> merit.
> Though not for the reasons they list.  The compainion parties ,
> India
> included, basically are made up of two dozen or so people in any
> given
> nation spread out across that nation calling themselves a political
> party.  The decades of stagnation these parties have went through
> shows
> the party concept it's self with in the WSM is a seriously flawed
> concept.  I fear that will not sink into the India comrades minds
> even
> after fifty years of stagnation from now.
>
> Oh well, we can't worry about their failures.  It is our task to
> find a
> way to succed.
>
>
> Wesley
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I'm not on SPOPEN, and am already overextended! I'm smart enough (so
far at least)  not to get involved there. -- Karla

>Hi Karla
>
>Maybe you should post something on SPOPEN to clarify Wigley (or as
>Robin once said, should that be Wriggley?).
>
>gareth

Hi Julian, Sounds really good ot me.Hope you get much junk mail. Tony

On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:04:15 +0000 Julian Prior
<joolsyp@...> writes:
> hi everyone,
>
> Greenleaf bookstore, a radical/alternative bookshop in Bristol
> provide
> a Box number service for groups such as ours. I spoke to the woman
> in
> charge today and she is perfectly happy to provide this service to
> us
> as long as I pick up the mail reasonably frequently, say once a
> week.
>
> Best of all its free!
>
> What do you all think?
>
> regards
>
> JP
>
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Hi all,  I'd like to listen to what he has to say, but don't get BBC,
only mostly CBC and NPR (national public radio) out of the States. tony

On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:42:48 -0000 "garetht2003
<gareth_thomas70@...>" <gareth_thomas70@...> writes:
> Dr Rowan Williams the new rather "radical" (by Archbishop standards)
> head of the Church of England is giving the 2002 BBC Richard
> Dimbleby
> lecture this Thursday on BBC1 at 10.35pm.  Entitled "Nations,
> Markets
> and Morals", it may stimulate debate of some kind?  Not sure if our
> people outside UK can access this though?
>
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I think you got yourself a good bargin there Julian with that Greenleaf
thing.

Wesley

Dr Rowan Williams the new rather "radical" (by Archbishop standards)
head of the Church of England is giving the 2002 BBC Richard Dimbleby
lecture this Thursday on BBC1 at 10.35pm.  Entitled "Nations, Markets
and Morals", it may stimulate debate of some kind?  Not sure if our
people outside UK can access this though?

gareth

Sounds almost too good to be true!  But if its a solid service then go for
it.

gareth


>From: Julian Prior <joolsyp@...>
>Reply-To: worldincommon@yahoogroups.com
>To: worldincommon@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [worldincommon] Address for correspondence
>Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:04:15 +0000
>
>hi everyone,
>
>Greenleaf bookstore, a radical/alternative bookshop in Bristol provide
>a Box number service for groups such as ours. I spoke to the woman in
>charge today and she is perfectly happy to provide this service to us
>as long as I pick up the mail reasonably frequently, say once a week.
>
>Best of all its free!
>
>What do you all think?
>
>regards
>
>JP
>


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hi everyone,

Greenleaf bookstore, a radical/alternative bookshop in Bristol provide
a Box number service for groups such as ours. I spoke to the woman in
charge today and she is perfectly happy to provide this service to us
as long as I pick up the mail reasonably frequently, say once a week.

Best of all its free!

What do you all think?

regards

JP

Hi Karla

Maybe you should post something on SPOPEN to clarify Wigley (or as
Robin once said, should that be Wriggley?).

gareth


--- In worldincommon@yahoogroups.com, Karla Ellenbogen
<karladoris@m...> wrote:
> Ouch! That hurt! We (the WSPUS) never modified our DOP, we just
> re-worded one of the questions on our application for membership
> form. That question begins: *The socialist point of view rests
> solidly on the materialist conception of history.* So we can't very
> well 'now revert to the materialist position' since we obviously
> never left it.
>
> I think misunderstandings like Simon Wigley's, which elevate minor
> differences far above their real importance, are the reason the WSM
> stays so small, -- rather than its failure to welcome socialists
with
> religious beliefs.
>   -- Karla
>
> >The following is from SPOPEN  (message 952).  Nuff said...
> >
> >"..I do think, however, that the criticism of the US Party should
be
> >tempered by the understanding that they acted at the time in
> >good 'faith' [oops] in modifying their DofP, but that it should now
> >revert to the materialist position,

Ouch! That hurt! We (the WSPUS) never modified our DOP, we just
re-worded one of the questions on our application for membership
form. That question begins: *The socialist point of view rests
solidly on the materialist conception of history.* So we can't very
well 'now revert to the materialist position' since we obviously
never left it.

I think misunderstandings like Simon Wigley's, which elevate minor
differences far above their real importance, are the reason the WSM
stays so small, -- rather than its failure to welcome socialists with
religious beliefs.
   -- Karla

>The following is from SPOPEN  (message 952).  Nuff said...
>
>"..I do think, however, that the criticism of the US Party should be
>tempered by the understanding that they acted at the time in
>good 'faith' [oops] in modifying their DofP, but that it should now
>revert to the materialist position,

Hi Julian and all,
	 I thought I signed on. Am I signed on?
   I think Esther hart is signed on - is she?
	 Carol Ogilvie can't as she has no computer. She has a copy of the core
statement on her frig.
	 Cheers, tony



On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:41:46 +0000 Julian Prior
<joolsyp@...> writes:
> hi Robin - when I set up the forum I sent out a group 'invite' to all
>
> the individuals for whom I had an e-mail address. To subscribe they
> just need to reply to the e-mail (although I think Gareth is finding
>
> out this may not be as simple as it sounds for those with hotmail
> accounts). I think we need to give it a bit more time as not
> everyone
> is as sad as me and reads their e-mail twice a day!
>
> If by the end of the week there are people who still haven't signed
> up
> I'll do a follow-up and find out why.
>
> I included in the invite those who wanted to be kept in touch with
> developments - it may be that they remain non-committal until we
> have
> something more substantial to offer in terms of what we do as a
> network/organisation. I think the web-site will help with this
> process.
>
> cheers
>
> Julian
>
> On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 09:59  pm, robbo203
> <RRobincox@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Julian
> >
> > I know this forum is only three or four days old but I wondered
> where
> > all the others are - Bruce, Len, Simon and the rest.  Also, what
> is
> > the situation about people who expressed an interest but were non
> > committal about joining the group?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Robin
> >
> >
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These guys in India are whacko.  I once read their minutes from a couple
of years back where they expelled a guy from their party for attending
his mothers funeral!

They said he was being too religious.  Now they warned him when he
attended his fathers funeral.  So the mothers was the last straw.

Now they mentioned a Dr. Who.  He is the most inovative thinker left in
the WSP-USA, and I am mildly surprised he is not part of this
experiment.  Then again he is a very busy guy and remains focused on the
WSM.

What they say about " compainion parties " with distain has some merit.
Though not for the reasons they list.  The compainion parties , India
included, basically are made up of two dozen or so people in any given
nation spread out across that nation calling themselves a political
party.  The decades of stagnation these parties have went through shows
the party concept it's self with in the WSM is a seriously flawed
concept.  I fear that will not sink into the India comrades minds even
after fifty years of stagnation from now.

Oh well, we can't worry about their failures.  It is our task to find a
way to succed.


Wesley

Don't worry Robin, WES is here!  ( Yuk! Yuk! Yuk! )

Seriously though, between working and Christmas shopping, I have little
time to just read my e-mails.

Unlike Julian, I am too busy to be sad. But if I had more time , I
probably would be!

None the less, tis the season to be busy and I suspect the rest of the
gang is too.

Wesley

hi Robin - when I set up the forum I sent out a group 'invite' to all
the individuals for whom I had an e-mail address. To subscribe they
just need to reply to the e-mail (although I think Gareth is finding
out this may not be as simple as it sounds for those with hotmail
accounts). I think we need to give it a bit more time as not everyone
is as sad as me and reads their e-mail twice a day!

If by the end of the week there are people who still haven't signed up
I'll do a follow-up and find out why.

I included in the invite those who wanted to be kept in touch with
developments - it may be that they remain non-committal until we have
something more substantial to offer in terms of what we do as a
network/organisation. I think the web-site will help with this process.

cheers

Julian

On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 09:59  pm, robbo203
<RRobincox@...> wrote:

> Hi Julian
>
> I know this forum is only three or four days old but I wondered where
> all the others are - Bruce, Len, Simon and the rest.  Also, what is
> the situation about people who expressed an interest but were non
> committal about joining the group?
>
> Regards
>
> Robin
>
>
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>
>
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On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 09:17  pm, robbo203
<RRobincox@...> wrote:

> The following is from SPOPEN  (message 952).  Nuff said...
>
>

hi Robin - I found the following (from the World Socialist Party of
India's minutes) even more of an eye-opener! I can't help but think
that the underlying message is pure vanguardism - the "confused"
workers being enlightened by the holders of true scientific knowledge
(the party). It would be a real shame if the companion parties of the
WSM resorted to dogmatism and metaphysical navel-gazing in order to
find a way out of its current crisis.

for a world in common,

JP


"A discussion came up about the ongoing debate among members of the
Companion
Parties that has exposed the confusion gripping the party organization
at
heart in violation of the principles.
Clearly, the resignation by one Robin Cox could make little difference
inside the already vitiated state of affairs of the so-called Companion
Parties. We say "so-called" because, the confused cannot be the
companions.
Already, the WSP (US) had debased the Materialist Conception of History
via
unilateral revision of their Membership Application's Statement on
Religion
by adopting the confusing clause - "While some concepts of spirituality,
loosely defined, are not necessarily incompatible with that
conception". You
cannot work out a "loosely defined," as against a tightly or otherwise
defined, spirit, anyway? The concept of spirit, like any other concept,
is
relative. Sprouting out of primitive situational ignorance and resultant
illusory duality of existence of a body and a spirit, or soul, i.e.
ghost as
a socially necessary outcome of human alienation, this concept
sustains, and
in turn, is sustained by, supernaturalism - hence religion. It's only
through advancement of knowledge specifically with the discovery and
application of the MCH that the riddle of such dualism has been
deciphered.
This, however, is not to say that uninformed or partially informed
workers,
quite reasonably clinging to various levels of religiosity, cannot awake
towards scientific understanding of socialism - the discovered
principles of
which are simply awaiting recognition by the class whose vocation in
history
is human emancipation via self-emancipation; but that admission to
membership of the party that provides the principles of political class
struggle cannot, and need not, be opened to those who are yet to grasp
the
very principles that negate any supernatural beliefs in the first place.
Their rallying point is the Movement, which is not identical to the
Party.
The party is like the nucleus, and the movement - the protoplasm.
The party's task is to welcome the intending workers to join the
movement,
educate them, make them socialist and then admit them to membership.
Those arguing and acting otherwise are forging opportunistic alliances
and
compromising with principles for reasons best known to themselves.
Strict adherence to the principles logically and necessarily demands
that
regarding religion question there could never be "a very minority view
within the SPGB".
A final point: the concept of democracy, too, is relative, and for us no
more and no less than a means to organize towards and to run Socialism.
As
such, in the socialist party it must always remain a democracy of
socialists
solely for socialism. On the contrary, a democracy of "many anarchists,
syndicalists, SLPers, etc," (Dr. Who), no matter how loudly they prattle
about a "nonstatist, nonmarket, democratic, communally owned social
goal,"
shall be a democracy of confusion sailing through to anywhere but
socialism.]"

Hi Julian

I know this forum is only three or four days old but I wondered where
all the others are - Bruce, Len, Simon and the rest.  Also, what is
the situation about people who expressed an interest but were non
committal about joining the group?

Regards

Robin

The following is from SPOPEN  (message 952).  Nuff said...

"..I do think, however, that the criticism of the US Party should be
tempered by the understanding that they acted at the time in
good 'faith' [oops] in modifying their DofP, but that it should now
revert to the materialist position, especially since now the niche
they would have been attempting, perhaps opportunistically, to reach
is now occupied by an organisation, this "World in Common". There is
no longer an argument that such people have no means to organise, and
we should see them as somehow 'socialists by blood' because of their
common sharing of our materialist objective as a utopian goal, and
accept them; the utopian socialist/ anarchist/ whatever position
is now represented. All that imprecision can do now is cause our own
vitiation, without reason, whereas previously the movement was so
weakened consciously to allow the continued membership of members who
held religious views or saw them as compatible.."

Hi all

Here's something I came across in the WSM forum

"You can't blow up a social relationship. The total collapse of this
society would provide no guarantee about what replaced it. Unless a
majority of people had the ideas and organization sufficient enough
for the creation of an alternative society we would see the old world
reassertitself because it is what people would be used to, what they
believed in, what existed unchallenged in their own personalities."

The subsequent paragraph elaborates:

"Proponents of terrorism and guerillaism are to be opposed because
their actions are vanguardist and authoritarian, because their ideas
are wrong and unrelated to the results of their actions, because
killing cannot bejustified, and finally because their actions produce
either repression with nothing in return or an authoritarian regime."

-- from You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship: The Anarchist Case
AgainstTerrorism

Anybody want to kick off with a discussion

Regards

Robin

Hi, everyone --
This is just to make sure this is working! Are we all here?
-- Karla

Hello all

I'll put on a contact phone number as well ( my own i guess, although
i don't want this to be used in the long-term). And can i put Julian
email address, just in case these people without computer get a
chance to use one in a library, etc.
Is this ok Julian?  If you don't answer i'll assume that it is.

gareth



--- In worldincommon@yahoogroups.com, "garethmeltem15 <meltem@c...>"
<meltem@c...> wrote:
> Hi Robin
>
> Send the names and addresses and the people you think who should
have
> a Core Statement.  We have only  a basic printer here so i can't do
> bulk copies but i can hopefully send a few out to tide us over till
> we have a better, more substantially, produced newsletter.
> I  a covering letter, i'll say something like; "Robin Cox has
passed
> me your details and thinks you may be interested, blah, blah,...."
> I'll pop something down about how to access this forum via a
computer.
>
> gareth
>
>
> --- In worldincommon@yahoogroups.com, "robbo203 <RRobincox@a...>"
> <RRobincox@a...> wrote:
> > Hi Julian
> >
> > In an earlier email - just before the forum was set up you said
> >
> > "I am hoping that within the next few days we can migrate to this
> > system of keeping in contact with each other and sharing ideas as
> to
> > how we move forward. I am well aware however that we need to
> urgently
> > address the issue of how to make sure those without internet
access
> > are kept involved and in touch with developments. Perhaps two or
> > three people can put their heads together and come up with a
> system?"
> >
> > When I was in the SPGB there was an attempt some years ago to set
> up
> > a system called a "buddy system" which was also used in
> universities
> > and other such establishments, whereby an isolated newcomer would
> be
> > allocated a "buddy" to help him or her become more acquainted
with
> > the organisation etc.  I wonder if there is some scope for us
doing
> > the same here.
> >
> > We have sort of made a start on this. Tony is contact with Carol
> who
> > does not have access to a computer. Likewise, I am in touch with
> John
> > Howell and a number of others who are interested - Gerry Blake,
Ken
> > Scott, Rod Gilson and Harry Sowden. Bruce is in touch with Naomi,
> > Toija and Alan
> >
> >  But I wonder what more we can do other than tell these
individuals
> > whats going on?  I definitely think that they all need to be sent
a
> > copy of our core statement straightaway and wondered, Gareth, you
> > could possibly send copies of the statement you sent me to the UK
> > contacts as I unfortunately am unable to print off abnything from
> my
> > computer at the moment. Ill send you the addresss later if you
like.
> > We could also give these isolated supporters about how to access
> the
> > site and the forum via cyber-cafes, libraries and so as some of
> them
> > may not be familiar with a computer at all.  A simple little
> > instruction leaflet might help - Bruce, Meltem or Julian might be
> > able to put out something.  Finally there is the idea that Wesley
> > mooted a few days back and also the idea of a quaterly one page
> > newsletter
> >
> >
> > Hope all this helps
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Robin

I Got it Torgun! Tony

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Hi Robin

Send the names and addresses and the people you think who should have
a Core Statement.  We have only  a basic printer here so i can't do
bulk copies but i can hopefully send a few out to tide us over till
we have a better, more substantially, produced newsletter.
I  a covering letter, i'll say something like; "Robin Cox has passed
me your details and thinks you may be interested, blah, blah,...."
I'll pop something down about how to access this forum via a computer.

gareth


--- In worldincommon@yahoogroups.com, "robbo203 <RRobincox@a...>"
<RRobincox@a...> wrote:
> Hi Julian
>
> In an earlier email - just before the forum was set up you said
>
> "I am hoping that within the next few days we can migrate to this
> system of keeping in contact with each other and sharing ideas as
to
> how we move forward. I am well aware however that we need to
urgently
> address the issue of how to make sure those without internet access
> are kept involved and in touch with developments. Perhaps two or
> three people can put their heads together and come up with a
system?"
>
> When I was in the SPGB there was an attempt some years ago to set
up
> a system called a "buddy system" which was also used in
universities
> and other such establishments, whereby an isolated newcomer would
be
> allocated a "buddy" to help him or her become more acquainted with
> the organisation etc.  I wonder if there is some scope for us doing
> the same here.
>
> We have sort of made a start on this. Tony is contact with Carol
who
> does not have access to a computer. Likewise, I am in touch with
John
> Howell and a number of others who are interested - Gerry Blake, Ken
> Scott, Rod Gilson and Harry Sowden. Bruce is in touch with Naomi,
> Toija and Alan
>
>  But I wonder what more we can do other than tell these individuals
> whats going on?  I definitely think that they all need to be sent a
> copy of our core statement straightaway and wondered, Gareth, you
> could possibly send copies of the statement you sent me to the UK
> contacts as I unfortunately am unable to print off abnything from
my
> computer at the moment. Ill send you the addresss later if you like.
> We could also give these isolated supporters about how to access
the
> site and the forum via cyber-cafes, libraries and so as some of
them
> may not be familiar with a computer at all.  A simple little
> instruction leaflet might help - Bruce, Meltem or Julian might be
> able to put out something.  Finally there is the idea that Wesley
> mooted a few days back and also the idea of a quaterly one page
> newsletter
>
>
> Hope all this helps
>
> Regards
>
> Robin

Hi Julian

In an earlier email - just before the forum was set up you said

"I am hoping that within the next few days we can migrate to this
system of keeping in contact with each other and sharing ideas as to
how we move forward. I am well aware however that we need to urgently
address the issue of how to make sure those without internet access
are kept involved and in touch with developments. Perhaps two or
three people can put their heads together and come up with a system?"

When I was in the SPGB there was an attempt some years ago to set up
a system called a "buddy system" which was also used in universities
and other such establishments, whereby an isolated newcomer would be
allocated a "buddy" to help him or her become more acquainted with
the organisation etc.  I wonder if there is some scope for us doing
the same here.

We have sort of made a start on this. Tony is contact with Carol who
does not have access to a computer. Likewise, I am in touch with John
Howell and a number of others who are interested - Gerry Blake, Ken
Scott, Rod Gilson and Harry Sowden. Bruce is in touch with Naomi,
Toija and Alan

  But I wonder what more we can do other than tell these individuals
whats going on?  I definitely think that they all need to be sent a
copy of our core statement straightaway and wondered, Gareth, you
could possibly send copies of the statement you sent me to the UK
contacts as I unfortunately am unable to print off abnything from my
computer at the moment. Ill send you the addresss later if you like.
We could also give these isolated supporters about how to access the
site and the forum via cyber-cafes, libraries and so as some of them
may not be familiar with a computer at all.  A simple little
instruction leaflet might help - Bruce, Meltem or Julian might be
able to put out something.  Finally there is the idea that Wesley
mooted a few days back and also the idea of a quaterly one page
newsletter


Hope all this helps

Regards

Robin

Hi Julian:

> hi Gareth - as it is set up at the moment it is open to all and
sundry
> and unmoderated. We may want to have a forum restricted to
supporters
> only at some point (similar to SPINTCOM) - it is very easy to set
up.
> For the time being `i think it is ok as it is - I can't imagine
we'll
> get many trolls or spammers at this stage!

My preference would be to have this forum as an open access one which
for the time being, we can use also for our practical decision-making
while we are in the process of still setting up the group. As you
say, we are unlikely to be bombarded by trolls and spammers.  Later
on maybe we could set up a second internal forum for strictly
business matters - like SPINTCOM - or could we possibly set one up
straightaway and maybe call it  WICINTCOM  ;-)



> Meltem and Bruce - I am trying to get a few thoughts down regarding
the
> web-site. I have a piece of software that lays out pages without
the
> need for HTML coding that produces really nice, clean sites -
similar
> to Dreamweaver but even easier to use! I'll post a few mock-ups
later
> based on some free templates - nothing fancy at all but quite
> professional looking. I'm not sure what the best way forward is in
> terms of collaborating (never collaborated virtually on a design
> project before!). Is it best that we each come up with a few mock-
ups
> (including Bruce's temporary site) and try to hash out a solution
from
> there? Let me know what you think.

That sounds good!


> Does anybody have any thoughts as to what might appear on our site
> other than the obvious (links, core statement etc.)? So far I've
come
> up with:
>
> Home Page - about us (who we are - does anybody want to have a
crack at
> a few sentences describing this?)
> Core Statement
> Contact Details and How to Join/Support
> Links
>
> Book Reviews?
> Original pieces written by supporters/members e.g on topics such as
> 'free access', common ownership, human creativity, class struggle
etc.?
> What we do - our activities?
>
> I'm sure there are lots more examples - it would be nice to have a
few
> more so Bruce, Meltem and myself have some content in mind as we
> develop the site.
>


A few more examples which I think I have mentioned before might be as
follows:

A NOTICEBOARD PAGE - to do with practical activities, requests for
donations, forthcoming meetings/events worth attending and so on and
so forth.  The sky's the limit

A THEORETICAL ANALYSIS PAGE - Like the Analysis page on the WSM
site.  There are some good original articles around that Ive come
across by people like Bob Black the anarchist (see the alternatrives
to wage slavery link) and Marshall Sahlins the anthropologist

A STATISTICAL DATABASE PAGE - I think this would be very handy and
might also attract people to the site looking for references
Have a look at the global issues link. We could do something like
that but put the info across in a more succinct and compact form

Cant think of anything else at the moment but hope this helps

Regards

Robin

hi Gareth - as it is set up at the moment it is open to all and sundry
and unmoderated. We may want to have a forum restricted to supporters
only at some point (similar to SPINTCOM) - it is very easy to set up.
For the time being `i think it is ok as it is - I can't imagine we'll
get many trolls or spammers at this stage!

Meltem and Bruce - I am trying to get a few thoughts down regarding the
web-site. I have a piece of software that lays out pages without the
need for HTML coding that produces really nice, clean sites - similar
to Dreamweaver but even easier to use! I'll post a few mock-ups later
based on some free templates - nothing fancy at all but quite
professional looking. I'm not sure what the best way forward is in
terms of collaborating (never collaborated virtually on a design
project before!). Is it best that we each come up with a few mock-ups
(including Bruce's temporary site) and try to hash out a solution from
there? Let me know what you think.

Does anybody have any thoughts as to what might appear on our site
other than the obvious (links, core statement etc.)? So far I've come
up with:

Home Page - about us (who we are - does anybody want to have a crack at
a few sentences describing this?)
Core Statement
Contact Details and How to Join/Support
Links

Book Reviews?
Original pieces written by supporters/members e.g on topics such as
'free access', common ownership, human creativity, class struggle etc.?
What we do - our activities?

I'm sure there are lots more examples - it would be nice to have a few
more so Bruce, Meltem and myself have some content in mind as we
develop the site.

cheers

Julian

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<meltem@...> wrote:

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>
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Is this Forum just for ourselves?  Or do we let all-comers in too?

gareth

Hi Everyone


Excellent!  At last we have got a forum which will make things so
much easier.  No more having to copy and paste all those email
addresses :-) Well done, Julian.  Presumably you've contacted the
rest of the crew and we can expect the numbers to start rising
rapidly soon. And last but not least thanks also to Danny for his
opening contribution

Regards

Robin

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