I'm looking for a good pair of 12" rear rims for a D series. D160, 180 or 200.
  I don't need tires, but will buy them if I have to, to get the rims.
Thanks,
Jim

--- In wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com, joemnghn <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I found the 1/2 pins and  holes that hold the 42" Dozer/Snow blade together
(that came with my 73 8hp 4 speed, which I now use on my '88 310-8), had a lot
of play in them from 35 years of plowing, so much so that the blade was tilting
back torward the tractor by a few inches at the top of the plow. In some cases
the holes in the plow assembly were elongated. So I carefully drilled out all
the holes to 5/8", and installed  3 new 5/8" rods, that a machinist made for me.
I did all the holes on the plow with a hand drill, and the springs on my drill
press. There is no play now. I oiled all the pins and hole and they turn, but
are snug. I only use this for snow removal, so I only drilled the 2nd hole from
the top, on the pow blade.I hope this will improve the plow efficiancy, as it
will be more square, to the surface being plowed, and allow the use of the full
height of the plow.
>    I'll report back after the first snow storm.
>                   Joe in Norton

Joe

Thanks you sharing that info. with other club members. Your idea of drilling out
the 1/2" holes to 5/8" was a good idea.

Bob in RI
>

I found the 1/2 pins and  holes that hold the 42" Dozer/Snow blade together
(that came with my 73 8hp 4 speed, which I now use on my '88 310-8), had a lot
of play in them from 35 years of plowing, so much so that the blade was tilting
back torward the tractor by a few inches at the top of the plow. In some cases
the holes in the plow assembly were elongated. So I carefully drilled out all
the holes to 5/8", and installed  3 new 5/8" rods, that a machinist made for me.
I did all the holes on the plow with a hand drill, and the springs on my drill
press. There is no play now. I oiled all the pins and hole and they turn, but
are snug. I only use this for snow removal, so I only drilled the 2nd hole from
the top, on the pow blade.I hope this will improve the plow efficiancy, as it
will be more square, to the surface being plowed, and allow the use of the full
height of the plow.
    I'll report back after the first snow storm.
                   Joe in Norton

That sounds about right, working on getting my Charger 10 ready too.
Got plow, chains and weights on. Also replacing both cables that have been
sticking enough to be pain in the rear. Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving
(burp)   Keg   NE IN.
--- In wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wheeln47@...> wrote:
>
> Yesterday, I took off the mower deck, and turf tires, then replaced them with
snow plow, and winter tires with chains, on my ole Charger 10.  While doing so,
I thought about all the help you people give others (including me) during the
year, keeping the gals running.  So, HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL!
>
> Bill
> Holland, Michigan
>

 Hi Randy

  Thanks for this info, I will check out my local machine shop. pretty sure
they are skilled in rebuilding.
Thanks and have a good thanksgiving.

Bill




________________________________
From: Randy Williams <firechicken0000@...>
To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 26, 2009 6:49:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] over size pistion kohler 12 hp

 
Yes there are oversize pistons & rings available. You didn't give a model
number, I will assume it is a K301AS. I will caution you, Buy a new rod and
install it with the piston. Rods account for most engine failures. Never replace
just the piston. To do the job right, the block needs to be bored and honed for
the new piston and rings. Also the crank needs to be checked and ground
undersized if needed. Find a comptent local shop to measure and machine the
block and crank and get the final dimensions before buying parts. If you don't
know of or can't find a local shop contact Brian Miller http://gardentracto
rpullingtips. com/a1carb. htm
He can do the whole thing pretty reasonably.
                                        \
                                     Randy

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, william lofquist <saabdu2001@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: william lofquist <saabdu2001@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] over size pistion kohler 12 hp
To: wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 8:22 PM

 

Say Guys. dose anyomne know if I can still get an over size pistion for my
kohler 12 hp. old cast iron horse.

Thanks

Bill

____________ _________ _________ __
From: wrages4 <wrages4@yahoo. com>
To: wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 5:28:15 PM
Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] C121 ignition switch connector

 
Hi, a whiile back, I'm sure someone answered this question, but I can't find the
post. Does anyone know of the NAPA # for the connector and pigtail to replace
the plug on the ignition switch on a C121? My NAPA guy let out a groan when I
asked him about one, and pleaded with me to come up with the number so he
wouldn't have to comb through his catalogs. The only way I can kepp her running
is be wiggling/pushing on the connector, or by hot wiring it, neither of which I
want to do all winter long blowing snow. Help, please? Thanks. Nathan

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes there are oversize pistons & rings available. You didn't give a model
number, I will assume it is a K301AS. I will caution you, Buy a new rod and
install it with the piston. Rods account for most engine failures. Never replace
just the piston. To do the job right, the block needs to be bored and honed for
the new piston and rings. Also the crank needs to be checked and ground
undersized if needed. Find a comptent local shop to measure and machine the
block and crank and get the final dimensions before buying parts. If you don't
know of or can't find a local shop contact Brian Miller
http://gardentractorpullingtips.com/a1carb.htm
He can do the whole thing pretty reasonably.
                                        \
                                     Randy

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, william lofquist <saabdu2001@...> wrote:


From: william lofquist <saabdu2001@...>
Subject: Re: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] over size pistion kohler 12 hp
To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 8:22 PM


 



Say Guys. dose anyomne know if I can still get an over size pistion for my
kohler 12 hp. old cast iron horse.

Thanks

Bill

____________ _________ _________ __
From: wrages4 <wrages4@yahoo. com>
To: wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 5:28:15 PM
Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] C121 ignition switch connector

 
Hi, a whiile back, I'm sure someone answered this question, but I can't find the
post. Does anyone know of the NAPA # for the connector and pigtail to replace
the plug on the ignition switch on a C121? My NAPA guy let out a groan when I
asked him about one, and pleaded with me to come up with the number so he
wouldn't have to comb through his catalogs. The only way I can kepp her running
is be wiggling/pushing on the connector, or by hot wiring it, neither of which I
want to do all winter long blowing snow. Help, please? Thanks. Nathan

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Don't eat too much?  That's down right sacreligious!

----- Original Message -----

From: gary christensen

To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:30:04 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: Re: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: Happy Thanksgiving...

























































Happy Thanksgiving to all!   While these may be difficult times for so many,  we
still have much to be thankful for.  Our thoughts are with the men and women
around the world in the military.





Take care and don't eat too much.


GaryC, Franklin, IN 1973 PK 1614





--- On Thu, 11/26/09, hiredguns14 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





From: hiredguns14 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>


Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: Happy Thanksgiving...


To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com


Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 6:30 AM











Same to you guys and the rest of the folks here. BKBob, you guys have a great
dinner!!!





Mike, enjoying a day off in SW Ohio





> --- In wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com, "Bill" wrote:





> >





> > Yesterday, I took off the mower deck, and turf tires, then replaced them
with snow plow, and winter tires with chains, on my ole Charger 10.  While doing
so, I thought about all the help you people give others (including me) during
the year, keeping the gals running.  So, HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL!





> >





> > Bill





> > Holland, Michigan





>





> Happy Thanksgiving Bill and other club members





>





> I'm taking the wife out for Thanksgiving dinner so she won't have to cook. She
needs a day off once in awhile.





>





> Bob in RI





> >





>





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Happy Thanksgiving to all!   While these may be difficult times for so many, 
we still have much to be thankful for.  Our thoughts are with the men and women
around the world in the military. 

Take care and don't eat too much.
GaryC, Franklin, IN 1973 PK 1614

--- On Thu, 11/26/09, hiredguns14 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

From: hiredguns14 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: Happy Thanksgiving...
To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 6:30 AM







 









       Same to you guys and the rest of the folks here. BKBob, you guys have a
great dinner!!!



Mike, enjoying a day off in SW Ohio



> --- In wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com, "Bill" <wheeln47@> wrote:

> >

> > Yesterday, I took off the mower deck, and turf tires, then replaced them
with snow plow, and winter tires with chains, on my ole Charger 10.  While doing
so, I thought about all the help you people give others (including me) during
the year, keeping the gals running.  So, HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL!

> >

> > Bill

> > Holland, Michigan

>

> Happy Thanksgiving Bill and other club members

>

> I'm taking the wife out for Thanksgiving dinner so she won't have to cook. She
needs a day off once in awhile.

>

> Bob in RI

> >

>

























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Same to you guys and the rest of the folks here. BKBob, you guys have a great
dinner!!!


Mike, enjoying a day off in SW Ohio




> --- In wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wheeln47@> wrote:
> >
> > Yesterday, I took off the mower deck, and turf tires, then replaced them
with snow plow, and winter tires with chains, on my ole Charger 10.  While doing
so, I thought about all the help you people give others (including me) during
the year, keeping the gals running.  So, HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL!
> >
> > Bill
> > Holland, Michigan
>
> Happy Thanksgiving Bill and other club members
>
> I'm taking the wife out for Thanksgiving dinner so she won't have to cook. She
needs a day off once in awhile.
>
> Bob in RI
> >
>

--- In wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wheeln47@...> wrote:
>
> Yesterday, I took off the mower deck, and turf tires, then replaced them with
snow plow, and winter tires with chains, on my ole Charger 10.  While doing so,
I thought about all the help you people give others (including me) during the
year, keeping the gals running.  So, HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL!
>
> Bill
> Holland, Michigan

Happy Thanksgiving Bill and other club members

I'm taking the wife out for Thanksgiving dinner so she won't have to cook. She
needs a day off once in awhile.

Bob in RI
>

Yesterday, I took off the mower deck, and turf tires, then replaced them with
snow plow, and winter tires with chains, on my ole Charger 10.  While doing so,
I thought about all the help you people give others (including me) during the
year, keeping the gals running.  So, HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL!

Bill
Holland, Michigan

i dont have my order book in here to nite but im
about 95 percent chance you can if i remember right
i work on small moters and overhaul them so  i think you can


________________________________
From: william lofquist <saabdu2001@...>
To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 7:22:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] over size pistion kohler 12 hp

 
Say Guys. dose anyomne know if I can still get an over size pistion for my
kohler 12 hp. old cast iron horse.

Thanks

Bill

____________ _________ _________ __
From: wrages4 <wrages4@yahoo. com>
To: wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 5:28:15 PM
Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] C121 ignition switch connector

 
Hi, a whiile back, I'm sure someone answered this question, but I can't find the
post. Does anyone know of the NAPA # for the connector and pigtail to replace
the plug on the ignition switch on a C121? My NAPA guy let out a groan when I
asked him about one, and pleaded with me to come up with the number so he
wouldn't have to comb through his catalogs. The only way I can kepp her running
is be wiggling/pushing on the connector, or by hot wiring it, neither of which I
want to do all winter long blowing snow. Help, please? Thanks. Nathan

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Say Guys. dose anyomne know if I can still get an over size pistion for my
kohler 12 hp. old cast iron horse.

Thanks

Bill




________________________________
From: wrages4 <wrages4@...>
To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 5:28:15 PM
Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] C121 ignition switch connector

 
Hi, a whiile back, I'm sure someone answered this question, but I can't find the
post. Does anyone know of the NAPA # for the connector and pigtail to replace
the plug on the ignition switch on a C121? My NAPA guy let out a groan when I
asked him about one, and pleaded with me to come up with the number so he
wouldn't have to comb through his catalogs. The only way I can kepp her running
is be wiggling/pushing on the connector, or by hot wiring it, neither of which I
want to do all winter long blowing snow. Help, please? Thanks. Nathan







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I have two D-250 WH tractors for sale.They both run.
Call Lonnie at 417-667-3645 for info.

--- In wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com, "1966 DAL" <daveoman@...>
wrote:
>
> My 1977 C-160 has the solid lift link for the dozer blade and I can pick the
front of the tractor off the ground a couple inches.  It does help to have the
down pressure, especially when the snow becomes hard-packed.  You can get a
similar affect by tilting the blade backward so that the scraped bar is at a
more aggressive angle to the snow.  Either way will, of course, tear up soft
soil / gravel underneath.  But....who cares...the snow is moved and that's what
I wanted done ! ! !
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Thanks for the reply, I think that I'll put the solid link on.

The NAPA # for a 5-wire female connector w/wires is 7-01910.
Be sure to replace the ignition switch also. You might try
a different NAPA Guy--he doesn't seem to be the sharpest blade
in the knife. Randolph

--- In wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com, "wrages4" <wrages4@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, a whiile back, I'm sure someone answered this question, but I can't find
the post.  Does anyone know of the NAPA # for the connector and pigtail to
replace the plug on the ignition switch on a C121?  My NAPA guy let out a groan
when I asked him about one, and pleaded with me to come up with the number so he
wouldn't have to comb through his catalogs. The only way I can kepp her running
is be wiggling/pushing on the connector, or by hot wiring it, neither of which I
want to do all winter long blowing snow. Help, please?  Thanks.  Nathan
>

the montgomery ward is a 1971


________________________________
From: Peter Barry Henrick <barryhenrickpeter@...>
To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 12:16:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: GOT A 518-H wheelhorse

 
Sorry, I was referring to your monty ward
Pete

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Peter Barry Henrick <barryhenrickpeter@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Peter Barry Henrick <barryhenrickpeter@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: GOT A 518-H wheelhorse
To: wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 12:14 AM

 

Your model/ serial number is incomplete, but I'd say it is built in 1981 ,is a
lawn tractor and has a 36 inch deck. More numbers will help
Pete in NE

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, Robert <blueknightbob@ aol.com> wrote:

From: Robert <blueknightbob@ aol.com>
Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: GOT A 518-H wheelhorse
To: wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 10:14 PM

 

--- In wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com, Ron Coffey <roannie13@. ..>
wrote:
>
> thank u also got a montgomery wards mower rider
>
> model zyj-1410A  TRYING 2 figure when it was made i
>
> work on mowers also

Most Montgomery Ward tractors were made by MTD. If it
has a Briggs and Stratton engine you can tell from the
numbers on the engine what year it is. There is the model
number and then the type and then the code. The first two
numbers of the code is the year built. If the code is 9311684
the year is 1993.

Bob in RI
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Robert <blueknightbob@ ...>
> To: wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 9:05:02 PM
> Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: GOT A 518-H wheelhorse
>
>  
>
>
> --- In wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com, "roannie13" <roannie13@ ..>
wrote:
> >
> > what year was it made
>
> I looked up a model 516-H in error which was make in 1988 only. The 518-H Was
made from 1988 to 1990.
>
> Bob in RI with new glasses that don't work
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The montgmery ward is a 1971




________________________________
From: Peter Barry Henrick <barryhenrickpeter@...>
To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 12:16:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: GOT A 518-H wheelhorse

 
Sorry, I was referring to your monty ward
Pete

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Peter Barry Henrick <barryhenrickpeter@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Peter Barry Henrick <barryhenrickpeter@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: GOT A 518-H wheelhorse
To: wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 12:14 AM

 

Your model/ serial number is incomplete, but I'd say it is built in 1981 ,is a
lawn tractor and has a 36 inch deck. More numbers will help
Pete in NE

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, Robert <blueknightbob@ aol.com> wrote:

From: Robert <blueknightbob@ aol.com>
Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: GOT A 518-H wheelhorse
To: wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 10:14 PM

 

--- In wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com, Ron Coffey <roannie13@. ..>
wrote:
>
> thank u also got a montgomery wards mower rider
>
> model zyj-1410A  TRYING 2 figure when it was made i
>
> work on mowers also

Most Montgomery Ward tractors were made by MTD. If it
has a Briggs and Stratton engine you can tell from the
numbers on the engine what year it is. There is the model
number and then the type and then the code. The first two
numbers of the code is the year built. If the code is 9311684
the year is 1993.

Bob in RI
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Robert <blueknightbob@ ...>
> To: wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 9:05:02 PM
> Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: GOT A 518-H wheelhorse
>
>  
>
>
> --- In wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com, "roannie13" <roannie13@ ..>
wrote:
> >
> > what year was it made
>
> I looked up a model 516-H in error which was make in 1988 only. The 518-H Was
made from 1988 to 1990.
>
> Bob in RI with new glasses that don't work
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, a whiile back, I'm sure someone answered this question, but I can't find the
post.  Does anyone know of the NAPA # for the connector and pigtail to replace
the plug on the ignition switch on a C121?  My NAPA guy let out a groan when I
asked him about one, and pleaded with me to come up with the number so he
wouldn't have to comb through his catalogs. The only way I can kepp her running
is be wiggling/pushing on the connector, or by hot wiring it, neither of which I
want to do all winter long blowing snow. Help, please?  Thanks.  Nathan

My 1977 C-160 has the solid lift link for the dozer blade and I can pick the
front of the tractor off the ground a couple inches.  It does help to have the
down pressure, especially when the snow becomes hard-packed.  You can get a
similar affect by tilting the blade backward so that the scraped bar is at a
more aggressive angle to the snow.  Either way will, of course, tear up soft
soil / gravel underneath.  But....who cares...the snow is moved and that's what
I wanted done ! ! !

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My Charger 9 has a nice dozer blade that I got with it. The previous owner
plowed snow with it with a chain installed where the solid link would be to
raise and lower it. He said it let the blade float up over uneven spots in the
driveway, etc. I've never had the blade on yet and plan on installing it this
year. I was just wondering what your thoughts or experiences were with this. I
should say also that this has hydraulics so the cyl would hold the plow pretty
solid with the solid link in there. Have you ever needed power down when snow
plowing? Thanks

I would just like to mention that a Kohler K241S in a Wheel Horse should have
battery ignition. I can't think of any Wheel Horses with that engine that had
magnito ignition unless it has a replacement engine. With battery ignition
neither the flywheel key or the flywheel magnets would have an effect on the
ignition timing or spark.

I would start with a new fuel filter, (I would even add a little Seafoam gas
additive to the fuel tank) new points, set to the proper gap and another new
spark plug. I have had new plugs be bad, especially Champion. I've always had
better luck with Autolite, but that's just my preference.

If it turns out that it has magnito ignition I would also check the flywheel
key.

Tim in MI



--- In wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com, Jim Lewis <hangar_debris@...>
wrote:
>
> I would also like t point out in case it has been over looked, The key is
simply an installation alignment tool. The taper of the shaft and the torque of
the nut hold it in place. However impact causing a momentary distortion of the
the flywheel can cause it to make a minor migration. Generally three methods are
used to remove a flywheel on a taper locked (secured) shaft. A puller that pulls
away from the shaft essentually distorting the tapered bore and realeasing it, a
tremendous slamb from a sledge or heavy hammer that momnetarily distorts the fly
whell taper bore and heat which cause the taper to expand and release the from
the tapered shaft.. In any case there may well be timing marks that allow the
timming to be verified it is undesturbed.
> Again maybe a wasted hunch but as magnet in the flywheel age so do they loose
the magnetic flux strenght. THis will allow a spark to be generated but perhaps
not a hot enough spark for reliable continuos ignition. IN this case recharging
the magnets or replacing the flywheel will be  required.
>  
>  
>  --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Robert <blueknightbob@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert <blueknightbob@...>
> Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: D200 Manuals
> To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 8:41 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com, dont01@ wrote:
> >
> > Not necessarily, Bob. I have seen flywheel keys shear just a little bit, not
enough to kill engine, but retard timing to the point that the engine runs
extremely hot. (And smoke, and carry on)
>
> I agree with you Don but if the flywheel sheared the keyway, after a few more
starts the flywheel will move a little more and then it will not start at all. I
really don't think that's his problem. I think the problem could be in the
points. At least I would try the simple things first.
>
> Bob in RI
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Robert
> >
> > To: wheelhorsegardentra ctors@yahoogroup s.com
> >
> > Sent: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:05:33 +0000 (UTC)
> >
> > Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: D200 Manuals
> >
> >
> >
> > > Gentlemen,
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> > > Looking for any advice/insight on troubleshooting a WH with Kohler 10hp
model K241S. The motor will start but only after cranking it for a few minutes
and heavy choking. Once running it wheezes and puffs whitish smoke. The spark
looks good with new plug, the fuel was replaced with new, a compression test
gave a similar reading against a 17hp Kohler and the carb was taken apart and
cleaned after soaking in car cleaner. This unit always ran strong and it has
been well taken care of since new. The problem was first noted when it was taken
out for a late season grass trimming and since then the above was done. It was
suggested that the fuel pump may be erratically delivering fuel and/or spark
issue with flywheel/keyway however the flywheel issue seems a stretch. Can the
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I would also like t point out in case it has been over looked, The key is simply
an installation alignment tool. The taper of the shaft and the torque of the nut
hold it in place. However impact causing a momentary distortion of the the
flywheel can cause it to make a minor migration. Generally three methods are
used to remove a flywheel on a taper locked (secured) shaft. A puller that pulls
away from the shaft essentually distorting the tapered bore and realeasing it, a
tremendous slamb from a sledge or heavy hammer that momnetarily distorts the fly
whell taper bore and heat which cause the taper to expand and release the from
the tapered shaft.. In any case there may well be timing marks that allow the
timming to be verified it is undesturbed.
Again maybe a wasted hunch but as magnet in the flywheel age so do they loose
the magnetic flux strenght. THis will allow a spark to be generated but perhaps
not a hot enough spark for reliable continuos ignition. IN this case recharging
the magnets or replacing the flywheel will be  required.
 
 
 --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Robert <blueknightbob@...> wrote:


From: Robert <blueknightbob@...>
Subject: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: D200 Manuals
To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 8:41 PM


 





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> Not necessarily, Bob. I have seen flywheel keys shear just a little bit, not
enough to kill engine, but retard timing to the point that the engine runs
extremely hot. (And smoke, and carry on)

I agree with you Don but if the flywheel sheared the keyway, after a few more
starts the flywheel will move a little more and then it will not start at all. I
really don't think that's his problem. I think the problem could be in the
points. At least I would try the simple things first.

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model K241S. The motor will start but only after cranking it for a few minutes
and heavy choking. Once running it wheezes and puffs whitish smoke. The spark
looks good with new plug, the fuel was replaced with new, a compression test
gave a similar reading against a 17hp Kohler and the carb was taken apart and
cleaned after soaking in car cleaner. This unit always ran strong and it has
been well taken care of since new. The problem was first noted when it was taken
out for a late season grass trimming and since then the above was done. It was
suggested that the fuel pump may be erratically delivering fuel and/or spark
issue with flywheel/keyway however the flywheel issue seems a stretch. Can the
fuel pump be easily checked and/or any other troubleshooting ideas. Thanks!
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--- In wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com, dont01@... wrote:
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> Not necessarily, Bob.  I have seen flywheel keys shear just a little bit, not
enough to kill engine, but retard timing to the point that the engine runs
extremely hot.  (And smoke, and carry on)

I agree with you Don but if the flywheel sheared the keyway, after a few more
starts the flywheel will move a little more and then it will not start at all. I
really don't think that's his problem. I think the problem could be in the
points. At least I would try the simple things first.

Bob in RI
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model K241S. The motor will start but only after cranking it for a few minutes
and heavy choking. Once running it wheezes and puffs whitish smoke. The spark
looks good with new plug, the fuel was replaced with new, a compression test
gave a similar reading against a 17hp Kohler and the carb was taken apart and
cleaned after soaking in car cleaner. This unit always ran strong and it has
been well taken care of since new. The problem was first noted when it was taken
out for a late season grass trimming and since then the above was done. It was
suggested that the fuel pump may be erratically delivering fuel and/or spark
issue with flywheel/keyway however the flywheel issue seems a stretch. Can the
fuel pump be easily checked and/or any other troubleshooting ideas. Thanks!
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Not necessarily, Bob.  I have seen flywheel keys shear just a little bit, not
enough to kill engine, but retard timing to the point that the engine runs
extremely hot.  (And smoke, and carry on)

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From: Robert

To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:05:33 +0000 (UTC)

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> Looking for any advice/insight on troubleshooting a WH with Kohler 10hp model
K241S. The motor will start but only after cranking it for a few minutes and
heavy choking. Once running it wheezes and puffs whitish smoke. The spark looks
good with new plug, the fuel was replaced with new, a compression test gave a
similar reading against a 17hp Kohler and the carb was taken apart and cleaned
after soaking in car cleaner. This unit always ran strong and it has been well
taken care of since new. The problem was first noted when it was taken out for a
late season grass trimming and since then the above was done. It was suggested
that the fuel pump may be erratically delivering fuel and/or spark issue with
flywheel/keyway however the flywheel issue seems a stretch. Can the fuel pump be
easily checked and/or any other troubleshooting ideas. Thanks!





The first thing you should look for is burnt, pitted


or out of adjustment points. It doesn't take much to


get moisture through the point cover. I would replace


the points and set the gap to .020. You said you replaced


the spark plug. Should be Champion H-10C or equivalent


with a .030 gap. If you had a sheered off keyway in the


flywheel the engine wouldn't run at all.





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How much oil is in it?

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From: M C

To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:30:45 +0000 (UTC)

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Gentlemen,





Looking for any advice/insight on troubleshooting a WH with Kohler 10hp model
K241S. The motor will start but only after cranking it for a few minutes and
heavy choking. Once running it wheezes and puffs whitish smoke. The spark looks
good with new plug, the fuel was replaced with new, a compression test gave a
similar reading against a 17hp Kohler and the carb was taken apart and cleaned
after soaking in car cleaner. This unit always ran strong and it has been well
taken care of since new. The problem was first noted when it was taken out for a
late season grass trimming and since then the above was done. It was suggested
that the fuel pump may be erratically delivering fuel and/or spark issue with
flywheel/keyway however the flywheel issue seems a stretch. Can the fuel pump be
easily checked and/or any other troubleshooting ideas. Thanks!





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> Looking for any advice/insight on troubleshooting a WH with Kohler 10hp model
K241S. The motor will start but only after cranking it for a few minutes and
heavy choking. Once running it wheezes and puffs whitish smoke. The spark looks
good with new plug, the fuel was replaced with new, a compression test gave a
similar reading against a 17hp Kohler and the carb was taken apart and cleaned
after soaking in car cleaner. This unit always ran strong and it has been well
taken care of since new. The problem was first noted when it was taken out for a
late season grass trimming and since then the above was done. It was suggested
that the fuel pump may be erratically delivering fuel and/or spark issue with
flywheel/keyway however the flywheel issue seems a stretch. Can the fuel pump be
easily checked and/or any other troubleshooting ideas. Thanks!

The first thing you should look for is burnt, pitted
or out of adjustment points. It doesn't take much to
get moisture through the point cover. I would replace
the points and set the gap to .020. You said you replaced
the spark plug. Should be Champion H-10C or equivalent
with a .030 gap. If you had a sheered off keyway in the
flywheel the engine wouldn't run at all.

Bob in RI
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Here's the Kohler manual that should help with your troubleshooting and
carburetor adjustment:
http://www.kohlerengines.com/onlinecatalog/pdf/tp_2379.pdf
 
If you have the type ignition system that uses the automotive type coil, it
wouldn't hurt to check the ignition points, clean and re-gap them, and replace
the condenser. Do you have an inline gas filter? If so replace it. You can
check the output of the fuel pump by disconnecting the fuel line going into the
carburetor and putting the end into a clean container. Crank the engine over
and you should have a steady stream of fuel. BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL WHILE DOING
THIS. You don't want to burn you or your tractor up.
Buzz

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From: M C <fermental1@...>
Subject: Re: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: D200 Manuals
To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com
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Gentlemen,

Looking for any advice/insight on troubleshooting a WH with Kohler 10hp model
K241S. The motor will start but only after cranking it for a few minutes and
heavy choking. Once running it wheezes and puffs whitish smoke. The spark looks
good with new plug, the fuel was replaced with new, a compression test gave a
similar reading against a 17hp Kohler and the carb was taken apart and cleaned
after soaking in car cleaner. This unit always ran strong and it has been well
taken care of since new. The problem was first noted when it was taken out for a
late season grass trimming and since then the above was done. It was suggested
that the fuel pump may be erratically delivering fuel and/or spark issue with
flywheel/keyway however the flywheel issue seems a stretch. Can the fuel pump be
easily checked and/or any other troubleshooting ideas. Thanks!

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I am not a engine mechanic but good compression should rule out timming in the
valves or bad rings or other issues such as that. Ignition timming may be an
issue. As you can get good spark but if it's not at the correct moment (sheared
key maybe). How about fuel mixture screws. I am not sure about the K241S but the
K582S says to start from gently seated screws (idle out 1.25 turns) and (fuel
out 3 turns)
You can test the fuel question by a temporary gravity fed line to the carb it
seems.
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From: M C <fermental1@...>
Subject: Re: [Wheel Horse Garden Tractors] Re: D200 Manuals
To: wheelhorsegardentractors@yahoogroups.com
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Gentlemen,

Looking for any advice/insight on troubleshooting a WH with Kohler 10hp model
K241S. The motor will start but only after cranking it for a few minutes and
heavy choking. Once running it wheezes and puffs whitish smoke. The spark looks
good with new plug, the fuel was replaced with new, a compression test gave a
similar reading against a 17hp Kohler and the carb was taken apart and cleaned
after soaking in car cleaner. This unit always ran strong and it has been well
taken care of since new. The problem was first noted when it was taken out for a
late season grass trimming and since then the above was done. It was suggested
that the fuel pump may be erratically delivering fuel and/or spark issue with
flywheel/keyway however the flywheel issue seems a stretch. Can the fuel pump be
easily checked and/or any other troubleshooting ideas. Thanks!

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Gentlemen,

Looking for any advice/insight on troubleshooting a WH with Kohler 10hp model
K241S. The motor will start but only after cranking it for a few minutes and
heavy choking. Once running it wheezes and puffs whitish smoke. The spark looks
good with new plug, the fuel was replaced with new, a compression test gave a
similar reading against a 17hp Kohler and the carb was taken apart and cleaned
after soaking in car cleaner. This unit always ran strong and it has been well
taken care of since new. The problem was first noted when it was taken out for a
late season grass trimming and since then the above was done. It was suggested
that the fuel pump may be erratically delivering fuel and/or spark issue with
flywheel/keyway however the flywheel issue seems a stretch. Can the fuel pump be
easily checked and/or any other troubleshooting ideas. Thanks!




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