Jim -- I may be wrong (but I'm 90% sure that I'm not), according to HTML 4.0 validation, a web page is not considered valid HTML if the table does not include...
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Marti
marti@...
Mar 1, 2001 4:20 pm
Standards are a good thing, but you can push it too far. Adding a summary for 'layout' tables just clutters the page ... of course if you want to be strict you...
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Jennifer Sutton
jensutton@...
Mar 1, 2001 4:45 pm
I'm not going to post the article because it's only marginally related to web accessibility. but since a number of blind folks I know use PayPal for its...
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Kelly Ford
kelly@...
Mar 1, 2001 4:51 pm
Hi All, Earlier I asked about Tabindex and screen readers. When I look up the official references to the specs for Tabindex, it says that the number for this...
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jim gill
sf49ers5@...
Mar 1, 2001 5:10 pm
Hello Webwatch: I would like to know if you could recommend a fire wallthat is accessible with Window-Eyes I have heard of blac ice and zone alarm do you know...
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Jennifer Sutton
jensutton@...
Mar 1, 2001 6:31 pm
Have you ever felt like it was a big pain to copy urls out of your IE favorites, or have you ever wanted to make a text file of all of them, or just a folder...
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Glenda Watson Hyatt
Glenda@...
Mar 1, 2001 7:47 pm
I am sensing table summary is another where standards and practicality don't jive. I'm auditing http://www.gov.bc.ca/. I've included: Provide summaries for...
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Kelly Ford
kelly@...
Mar 1, 2001 8:07 pm
Hi All, It isn't my intent to single out RFB&D by mentioning them here. I have immense respect for the organization because of all they've done for me over...
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Jim Thatcher
jim@...
Mar 1, 2001 8:20 pm
Glenda, I believe Mike is in error. It is neither practical and nor a standard to have summaries in layout tables. About the standard, my reading of HTML 4 and...
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love26@...
Mar 1, 2001 8:23 pm
... I have no opinion about "clutter" but the idea of a summary (for a page as well as for a table) is finding support on the WCAG Working Group. Summaries...
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Jennifer Sutton
jensutton@...
Mar 1, 2001 8:25 pm
I hope that many of us will alert RFB&D to this issue. Since I have contacts there, I certainly will. Thanks, Kelly, for bringing it up. I saw it a while...
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Patrick Burke
burke@...
Mar 1, 2001 8:27 pm
100% correct! Describing the appearance of a page at the expense of the functionality is no good. <spacer image> Patrick...
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Jennifer Sutton
jensutton@...
Mar 1, 2001 8:37 pm
Again, this is not meant to single out RFB&D, but I'm trying to learn. Fairly often, lately, I've seen lists like the one that's found on RFB&D's web page,...
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Kathleen Anderson
kathleen.anderson@...
Mar 1, 2001 8:50 pm
... Jennifer: It is a list of links that fly out when a mouse is passed over one of the links on the left side of the page. For example, a mouse over "About...
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Jennifer Sutton
jensutton@...
Mar 1, 2001 9:13 pm
Okay, this is very clear, and helps me, in fact, with another project that was confusing me. But then, of course, I have another question. How is a screen...
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Kathleen Anderson
kathleen.anderson@...
Mar 1, 2001 9:52 pm
... Jennifer: I *think* the technology being used on this page is DHTML, but I could be mistaken. I have heard DHTML is not compatible with all browsers. I was...
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Jim Thatcher
jim@...
Mar 1, 2001 10:16 pm
For some reason, my posts to this list are dying and heading to email heaven. For "fun" I am attaching my previous message which has not appeared in the vain...
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Jim Thatcher
jim@...
Mar 1, 2001 10:20 pm
Kelly, There is more to the picture than alternative text that is a burden (at best). RFB&D is using Hierarchical menus written in JavaScript. If you listen to...
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Al Gilman
asgilman@...
Mar 2, 2001 4:37 am
... [Al, here.] Tidy is a great tool. But its purpose is repair, not validation. It is not trying to split hairs exactly on the precise line set down by the ...
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Mike Paciello
paciello@...
Mar 2, 2001 5:32 am
Hi -- I wanted to check my own statement about the use of the summary attribute. Let me say up front that I now agree with the general rule that the use of ...
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Anthony Quinn
anthony@...
Mar 2, 2001 12:34 pm
Hi Folks, Can anyone tell me what the position is on embedding documents in HTML pages. For example, if I am using a screen reader and click on a link to view...
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Jennifer Sutton
jensutton@...
Mar 2, 2001 1:19 pm
Greetings, all: Okay, so here's a question from a sighted web designer on another list. Can anyone give me a definitive response to pass along to her? I'll...
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Glenda Watson Hyatt
Glenda@...
Mar 2, 2001 1:49 pm
Wow, I didn't intend to spark such an intense debate. Obviously there is no absolute definition of accessibility. So, is the bottom line is that a summary,...
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love26@...
Mar 2, 2001 2:04 pm
... From 20,000 feet that is *all* they are used for. The idea that the visual uses thereof don't include "unrelated" materials only put into some positions on...
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Jim Thatcher
jim@...
Mar 2, 2001 2:18 pm
For spacer images, or any images which convey no information or redundant information, use alt="". Jim jim@... Accessibility Consulting ...
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Mike Paciello
paciello@...
Mar 2, 2001 3:07 pm
No -- I wouldn't go as far as saying it's not beneficial. It definately has benefits in the context of certain web constructions. For example, if you are...
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Kelly Ford
kelly@...
Mar 2, 2001 3:47 pm
Hi Anthony, I don't know what any official position is but my personal opinion is that embedded documents are a bad plan in terms of accessibility. Even if ...
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Kelly Ford
kelly@...
Mar 2, 2001 6:35 pm
Hi All, Again it isn't my intent to single out any organization by mentioning their web site. I tend to mention strange happenings as I find them. Anyone have...
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Patrick Burke
burke@...
Mar 2, 2001 7:08 pm
For one thing they have a <br> within the link text. I've noticed JFW makes it sound like there are two links if a link wraps to the next line of the (Virtual...
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Glenda Watson Hyatt
Glenda@...
Mar 2, 2001 7:25 pm
Thanks for this lively discussion. Before I make my final decision whether or not to leave in my recommendation to use SUMMARY, I invite you to look at ...
