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RE: [wc] Re: Frank Stigmatized by Dottie over JvH

I once read all about the anorexic saints of the Middle Ages - a feminist
account of the threat they represented to the male hierarchies;
self-mutilation as a reply to what would otherwise have been complete
powerlessness. I suppose this is well known but a religious career was a
woman's only option for an independent life (avoiding marriage). And even
with that sphere (religious), the only options for recognition or acclaim
that were open to women were spectacular, gruesome acts of self-destruction.
All leadership roles in the clergy, scholarship, administration, etc. were
for men only.



Maybe Judith von Halle is a forerunner of some kind of feminist challenge to
the hierarchy in Dornach, one that we might hope will eventually take
healthier forms.





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Here's an anthropological explanation for stigmata that would seem to fit Judith von Halle. ...
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Mar 15, 2009
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I once read all about the anorexic saints of the Middle Ages - a feminist account of the threat they represented to the male hierarchies; self-mutilation as a...
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... I've read similar accounts of 17th or 18th century women who reportedly suffered the most violent, religiously inspired "afflictions". The "motivations" of...
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Mar 15, 2009
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Couldn't we change the "subject" of this thread - please?...
Frank Thomas Smith
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Mar 16, 2009
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... I worked on a clever new thread title, but I haven't come up with anything! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Diana Winters
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... childbearing) or >achieving something (like "fame" or power), it's in some ways quite rational in its irrationality. >It could even be sane to fake ...
Diana Winters
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... Thanks for reminding me, I missed the article-post. I'm going to read it right now, sounds very interesting. The combination of non-eating and the wounds...
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Mar 16, 2009
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... regard to the JvH-issue. That's what I thought. Those two things are probably not coincidental. ... Wounding yourself in the ankles and wrists is more fun...
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I think most people picture some dripping blood, and an otherworldly look on pale face that suggests pain quietly endured but not imposed on other people,...
Diana Winters
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Mar 18, 2009
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... Finally thought of a more appropriate title. Wheh! Frank...
Frank Thomas Smith
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... LOL. I'm going to have to admit I deserve that, after writing such disgusting posts last night....
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... Yes, I'm thinking more like, at least something happens... Praying to the Dog is ok, but what a bore to speak to someone who's not there! ... It doesn't...
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... "problems" that are obvious >from and visible on the artistic portrayals of Jesus's suffering. So you're saying they're just copying what they've seen in...
Diana Winters
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... Well, perhaps. But, more likely, more realistic crucifixtion images wouldn't have got so popular in the first place! ... Let's hope so... The ... Actually,...
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... Aha! My dear Diana, don't you see where your karma is leading you? Is you passport valid. Are you ready to diet? Frank...
Frank Thomas Smith
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... *describe* how they work, not >*explain* "scientifically" how and why. I think that is just lack of curiosity. Try it and find out - there is really quite...
Diana Winters
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... The children's section in the bookshop usually has cool basic books on how stuff works. (I'm sure these kinds of books are totally...
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... stuff works. (I'm >sure these kinds of books are totally waldorf-inappropriate...) Yes. Waldorf kindergarten and early-grades parents are routinely advised...
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... Well, then, maybe it's time somebody describes one such a phenomenon in a reliable way, i e using scientifically sound methods to do it. Differences in...
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... being--either JvH herself or >some collaborator--and that she really is eating something. I think it's likely she's eating, but not much. [Non-text...
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... Yes, it's the not-eating-anything that is physiologically impossible. Eating little, or moderately, will still keep her alive....
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No, not that I can remember. Maybe the people who reenact the whole thing realistically, run a realistically high chance of being comitted to an insane asylum...
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... realistically, run a >realistically high chance of being comitted to an insane asylum before they gain fame and >fortune? So I guess I can't complain...
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... Yeah, but the *if*! then the experience should be something ... Really, if it's genuine, some other people are going to have to feel an urge to nail...
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