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Frank Stigmatized by Dottie over JvH   Message List  
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Re: Frank Stigmatized by Dottie over JvH

--- In waldorf-critics@yahoogroups.com, "zooey_stockholm" <skottehund@...>
wrote:
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> --- In waldorf-critics@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Thomas Smith" <eltrigal78@>
wrote:
> >
> > Infallible? Nah, not in my anthro-lexicon. All I can bet is that it has
something to do with your fore-brain obsession.
> > Btw, I'm going to Berlin in a coupla months and will try to interview
Judith. Btw2: The stigmata is not that strange, it's something that could be
hysterical; what is really interesting is her not eating. If that's true, we'd
be witnessing a miracle. As Zooey screamed, pulling out her hair and pouring
ashes on her head : It's impossible!! That's the point though, isn't it?
> > Blessings,
> > Bishop Frank
> >
>
> Well, if people weren't imagining the impossible, this story wouldn't be the
least newsworthy.
>
> Seriously, Bishop Frank, do you really think there's even an infinitesimal
chance that this really is a miracle, that she really isn't either eating more
than she says or that, if she isn't, she must be dying?
>
> The "witnessing" by the way is apparently not taking place. Unless JvH is
under 24 hour surveillance, how could there be any "witnessing" going on? Of
course she's not going to eat when people look. (I actually think that's one
characteristic of anorexia...)
>
> -z
>
I consider a miracle the fact that an oak develops from an acorn, or a child
learns to speak at 2 or 3, or a beehive functions. There are miracles all around
us, we're just so used to them that we consider them "normal". So yes,
anything's possible. Surveillance? Guess not, but if she's lying, it would be a
massive con, which seems massively out of character. (Admittedly, I don't know
her.) But if you start from the absolute conviction that it's impossible, based
on previous experience, then of course there's no room in your mind for a
miracle.
Frank




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... Well, if people weren't imagining the impossible, this story wouldn't be the least newsworthy. Seriously, Bishop Frank, do you really think there's even an...
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Mar 13, 2009
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... I consider a miracle the fact that an oak develops from an acorn, or a child learns to speak at 2 or 3, or a beehive functions. There are miracles all...
Frank Thomas Smith
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Mar 13, 2009
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... But the difference is oaks, beehives and children speaking are all perfectly possible to investigate and explain how they work. You could say these things...
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... Z: But the difference is oaks, beehives and children speaking are all perfectly possible to investigate and explain how they work. You could say these...
Frank Thomas Smith
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Mar 14, 2009
4:59 pm

Frank, you wrote, ... If you believe that, I've got a bridge for sale. -Dan...
Dan Dugan
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Mar 14, 2009
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... If you're trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge, I already bought it. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14294b.htm Bishop Frank...
Frank Thomas Smith
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... In the case of the Anthroposophical Society, they are in a rather delicate spot with this lady. Of course they don't deny that things like the stigmata are...
Diana Winters
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Mar 15, 2009
3:03 pm

Here's an anthropological explanation for stigmata that would seem to fit Judith von Halle. ...
Diana Winters
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Mar 15, 2009
5:24 pm

I once read all about the anorexic saints of the Middle Ages - a feminist account of the threat they represented to the male hierarchies; self-mutilation as a...
Diana Winters
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Mar 15, 2009
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... I've read similar accounts of 17th or 18th century women who reportedly suffered the most violent, religiously inspired "afflictions". The "motivations" of...
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Mar 15, 2009
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Couldn't we change the "subject" of this thread - please?...
Frank Thomas Smith
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Mar 16, 2009
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... I worked on a clever new thread title, but I haven't come up with anything! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Diana Winters
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... childbearing) or >achieving something (like "fame" or power), it's in some ways quite rational in its irrationality. >It could even be sane to fake ...
Diana Winters
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Mar 16, 2009
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... Thanks for reminding me, I missed the article-post. I'm going to read it right now, sounds very interesting. The combination of non-eating and the wounds...
zooey_stockholm
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Mar 16, 2009
9:35 pm

... regard to the JvH-issue. That's what I thought. Those two things are probably not coincidental. ... Wounding yourself in the ankles and wrists is more fun...
Diana Winters
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Mar 18, 2009
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I think most people picture some dripping blood, and an otherworldly look on pale face that suggests pain quietly endured but not imposed on other people,...
Diana Winters
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Mar 18, 2009
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... Finally thought of a more appropriate title. Wheh! Frank...
Frank Thomas Smith
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Mar 18, 2009
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... LOL. I'm going to have to admit I deserve that, after writing such disgusting posts last night....
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Mar 18, 2009
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... Yes, I'm thinking more like, at least something happens... Praying to the Dog is ok, but what a bore to speak to someone who's not there! ... It doesn't...
zooey_stockholm
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Mar 18, 2009
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... "problems" that are obvious >from and visible on the artistic portrayals of Jesus's suffering. So you're saying they're just copying what they've seen in...
Diana Winters
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... Well, perhaps. But, more likely, more realistic crucifixtion images wouldn't have got so popular in the first place! ... Let's hope so... The ... Actually,...
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... Aha! My dear Diana, don't you see where your karma is leading you? Is you passport valid. Are you ready to diet? Frank...
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... *describe* how they work, not >*explain* "scientifically" how and why. I think that is just lack of curiosity. Try it and find out - there is really quite...
Diana Winters
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Mar 15, 2009
2:44 pm

... The children's section in the bookshop usually has cool basic books on how stuff works. (I'm sure these kinds of books are totally...
zooey_stockholm
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Mar 15, 2009
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... stuff works. (I'm >sure these kinds of books are totally waldorf-inappropriate...) Yes. Waldorf kindergarten and early-grades parents are routinely advised...
Diana Winters
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Mar 16, 2009
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... Well, then, maybe it's time somebody describes one such a phenomenon in a reliable way, i e using scientifically sound methods to do it. Differences in...
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Mar 15, 2009
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... being--either JvH herself or >some collaborator--and that she really is eating something. I think it's likely she's eating, but not much. [Non-text...
Diana Winters
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Mar 16, 2009
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... Yes, it's the not-eating-anything that is physiologically impossible. Eating little, or moderately, will still keep her alive....
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Mar 16, 2009
9:07 pm

No, not that I can remember. Maybe the people who reenact the whole thing realistically, run a realistically high chance of being comitted to an insane asylum...
zooey
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... realistically, run a >realistically high chance of being comitted to an insane asylum before they gain fame and >fortune? So I guess I can't complain...
Diana Winters
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