I wonder if your analogy would make as much sense if we substituted "Vulcan" for
Spain?


PK
Enough Already!!!
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--- In waldorf-critics@yahoogroups.com, "tankazoo" <tankazoo@...> wrote:
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> I forgot to mention my other friend! She once saw a Spanish film and is now
obsessed with everything Spanish- and yet she's never been. Her room is covered
with pictures of places she's never been and words in a language she cannot
read. I think she may be just as tedious as my sister, though different.
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> --- In waldorf-critics@yahoogroups.com, "tankazoo" <tankazoo@> wrote:
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> > Maybe an illustration might help us (me at least) to think about what's
being said.
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> > The Truth Steiner say's he See's, lets roll it all up together and call it
Spain. Now, he's a travel agent devoted to telling people about his beloved
country.
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> > One friend has never been to Spain, she listened to some of what he has to
say about its language, peoples, colors, food, buildings etc and she is doubtful
as to whether Spain is a real place. She is a county girl- never left home- and
the exotic names and smells and sounds he's describing are unreal.
> > Another friend, who's travelled a bit, but never to Spain, is sure of
Spain's existence. And she hopes to travel there one day- so in preparation she
bought herself Rosetta Stone, is researching its history and contemporary
scenes and saving up.
> > And my sister, well she's a bit tedious and told me why the land which is
called Spain, is surely a real place But she disagrees with the political
boundaries which carve out spain and instead acknowledges a larger space known
as Iberia.
> > Myself, I have been to Spain. I do not doubt the existence of Spain. I
know spanish people and I do not think they are misguided or fools for calling
themselves Spanish rather then Iberian or whatever.
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> > And back to our friend the travel agent, he keeps talking about Spain,
describing many little details and then larger aspects of its history. He is
seemingly obsessed with Gaudi and the architecture.
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> > However, I am most drawn to the food markets and the ocean.
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> > We all know of Spain and acknowledge its existence (except for my first
friend). And we all have different experiences and our relationships are of
varying degrees of intensity. Is only one of us Right? Does only one of us truly
know Spain?
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> > The travel agent lives there half the year, so we can agree his experience
is more intimate, longer and he's fluent, so we asked for directions and insider
tips.
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> > There is quite a long tradition of spiritual thought- perhaps as long as
people have existed- so his acknowledgement that there is a spiritual world is
nothing new or groundbreaking. Probably much of what he has said can be found in
other traditions ( I think that is one of Peter's pursuits?) And his statements
about only some people being able to access this knowledge are also unoriginal.
Many people have been talking about Spain since Spain became Spain. Rudolf
Steiner, is only adding another description. A description of an obviously real
place (Truth) that we only accept as real and know is real (unless your my first
friend or my skeptical sister who has political motivations), until we've been
there to really experience it.
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> > So in a way, I guess we can't get around the fact that most of us aren't
clairvoyant and if one is craving information that can only come from a
clairvoyant- then one must accept the information on authority. But if we are
satiated, neither hungry or thirsty or overly full - maybe then it will be
possible to really look at what such a person offeres, contemplate it, walk
around/away/towards it, without being too influenced or tempted by our guts.
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