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--- In waldorf-critics@yahoogroups.com, "wibke_reinstein" <Weltwide@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tom and all the other readers.
> Wanna tell you, I'm present.
> Tom told you my english is not very well.
> But maybe with the help of Tom and other german speakers
> we can talk about important questions.
> I will try. I have left the forum of 'egoisten.de',
> so Tom might talk with me here - if necessary in german.
>
> lovely greetings,
> Wibke Reinstein
>========================

Liebe Wibke,

Ich freue mich wahnsinnig, dass Sie endlich hier auf der Waldorf Kritiker Yahoo
Gruppe angekommen sind! Gerade jetzt haben wir schon mehrere Fragen von zwei
Teilnehmerinnen, Diana und Alicia (auch als Zooey bekannt). Ich werde die Fragen
auf englisch schrieben, gefolgt von meiner deutschen Übersetzung.

Bitte, meine liebe Wibke, beantworten Sie die Fragen auf deutsch. Ich werde sie
ins englisch übersetzen und beide Versionen später hier posten.

(Auch muss ich Ihnen eine staunenswerte Synchronität mitteilen. Gerade letzte
Woche wurde ein amerikanischer Anthroposoph als echter Maiterya Boddhisattva
entlarvt. Er heisst Joel Wendt. Hier darüber auf dem Philosophy of Freedom Blog
zu lesen.)
http://www.philosophyoffreedom.com/node/5254

Herzlich,

Tom (der Hollywood Tomfortas)
=====================================
Dear Wibke,

I am tickled pink that you have finally arrived here on the Waldorf Critics
Yahoo Group.
As of right now, we already have several questions from two subscribers, Diana
and Alicia (aka Zooey). I will write the questions in English, followed by my
translation into German.

Please, my dear Wibke, answer the questions in German. I will then translate
them into English and later post both versions here.

(I also must inform you of an astonishing synchronicity. Just last week the
Maitreya Bodhisattva was revealed to be a presently living American
anthroposophist. His name is Joel Wendt. You can read about it here on the
Philosophy of Freedom blog.
http://www.philosophyoffreedom.com/node/5254

Cordially,

Tom
========================
Diana schreibt:

Welcome, Wibke! Very glad to have you here, especially if you're really Rudolf
Steiner. We do have some questions for you.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Willkommen, Wibke! Bin sehr froh, dass Sie hier sind, besonders wenn Sie
wirklich Rudolf Steiner wären. Wir haben einige Fragen an Sie zu stellen.
=============================

[1] Do you have actual memories of your life as Steiner?
+++++++++++++++++++++
[1] Haben Sie echte Erinnerungen aus Ihrem Leben als Steiner?

[2] Are you in a position to tell us what you, as Steiner, think of the overall
direction today of the movement that you founded?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[2] Können Sie uns erzählen, das was Sie als Steiner über die allumfassende
Richtung der von Ihnen gegründeten Bewegung denken?
================================

[3]What is your assessment of how Waldorf education is working out today?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[3] Ihrer Einschätzung nach, wie gelingt heute die Waldorf Erziehung
(Pädagogik)?

========================

zwei Fragen von Alicia

Good questions! I would also throw in these questions, along with a welcome:
+++++++++++++++
Gute Fragen! Ich möchte auch diese folgenden Fragen als Zugabe geben, samt einem
Wilkommen.
==============

[4] Have you changed your mind about any of the ideas you presented during your
previous lifetime -- especially the more ill-conceived ones?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
[4] Haben Sie Ihre Meinung über die von Ihnen während Ihrer fruheren Lebzeit
irgendeine Ideen geändert --- vor allem die Ideen die schlecht durchdacht waren
?
=======================

[5] That is, do you now believe you were wrong about anything last time you were
around?
++++++++++++++++++++++
[5] Das heißt, glauben Sie jetzt, dass Sie über irgendetwas im vorherigen Leben
geirrt haben?
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Good questions! I would also throw in these questions, along with a welcome: have you changed your mind about any of the ideas you presented during your ...
alicia h.
zooey_stockholm Offline Send Email
Sep 13, 2010
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... Liebe Wibke, Ich freue mich wahnsinnig, dass Sie endlich hier auf der Waldorf Kritiker Yahoo Gruppe angekommen sind! Gerade jetzt haben wir schon mehrere...
Tom Mellett
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Sep 13, 2010
4:41 am

... Lieber Tom, herzlichen Dank wieder für die Übersetzungen!!! Es ist sehr kostbar, endlich jemanden gefunden zu haben, der wenigstens ein paar...
wibke_reinstein Offline Send Email Sep 13, 2010
12:54 pm

... Dear Wibke (assuming that you really are Wibke), The questions are neither open nor sincere. Apparently you do not realize where you are. This is the lair...
Frank Thomas Smith
eltrigal78 Offline Send Email
Sep 13, 2010
6:15 pm

You're busted now Frank. Wibke is about to identify the TRUE threat to Anthroposophy... PEOPLE WHO DON'T READ BUT PRESUME TO KNOW. It is certainly possible...
petekaraiskos Offline Send Email Sep 13, 2010
6:26 pm

Frank wrote: "This is the lair of the "Waldorf Critics" - dedicated enemies, not only of Waldorf education but also of anthroposophy in general and everything...
awaldenpond@...
awaldenpond Offline Send Email
Sep 13, 2010
6:45 pm

... Yeah - what is she supposed to be, some kind of idiot? Critics are polite, thorough, hard working in our research and honor anthroposophy by asking real...
winters_diana Offline Send Email Sep 13, 2010
7:44 pm

As for the questions I posed, they certainly were sincere. Not that I buy the idea that Wibke Reinstein is actually Steiner reincarnated -- I find it rather...
alicia h.
zooey_stockholm Offline Send Email
Sep 13, 2010
8:15 pm

"Critics are polite, thorough, hard working in our research and honor anthroposophy by asking real questions. " In their own view perhaps. Others might...
ted.wrinch Offline Send Email Sep 14, 2010
7:49 pm

... Setting aside for a moment Ted's notion that critique is the same thing as hatred, there are indeed lots of folks like Ted who find something odd about...
Peter Staudenmaier
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Sep 14, 2010
8:15 pm

Still smarting from your recent bathetic defeat over Ostwald and the 'Overcoming of scientific materialism'? How are the logical fallacies - all still intact? ...
ted.wrinch Offline Send Email Sep 14, 2010
8:35 pm

Howdy Ted, ... Golly, I may never recover from this 'defeat'. After all, it convinced Dennis that you are a 'scientist'. Not to mention convincing you that...
Peter Staudenmaier
pstauden Offline Send Email
Sep 14, 2010
8:57 pm

"Or we could discuss anthroposophist beliefs about 'science…" We could - only you don'y know anything about science, instead relying on the likes of von Laue...
ted.wrinch Offline Send Email Sep 14, 2010
9:10 pm

Perhaps we could discuss your view that the content of the Pythagorean theorem has a history that changed by "country, language and cultural context". Well we...
ted.wrinch Offline Send Email Sep 14, 2010
10:36 pm

Howdy Ted, ... I'm not sure what it has to do with anthroposophy, but yup, we could certainly discuss that. The 'content' hasn't changed over time and in...
Peter Staudenmaier
pstauden Offline Send Email
Sep 15, 2010
12:12 am

Or perhaps we could discuss your neo-Marxist view that ideas are merely the stuff of ideology and 'objects of study' that are used by the powerful to oppress...
ted.wrinch Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
6:34 am

Or perhaps we could discuss your your view that having an ego the size of a small planet constitutes a moral advantage. Or your view that truth may need to be...
ted.wrinch Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
1:44 pm

... Are you sure you're not writing about anthroposophists and/or yourself here?...
alicia h.
zooey_stockholm Offline Send Email
Sep 15, 2010
1:48 pm

Well as you wished to correct my humoral diagnosis of myself recently, I'm sure you'll know better what I'm writing about than I do… T. Wrinch...
ted.wrinch Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
1:58 pm

Well, yes. I shall procede to assume I was correct then. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
alicia h.
zooey_stockholm Offline Send Email
Sep 15, 2010
2:02 pm

Just one thought: Between you and Frank, words like "dusty" and "musty" come up quite often in regards to Peter's research sources. Now we have "corners of...
winters_diana Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
2:30 pm

... ======================================== Diana, As I was reading Ted's stirring messages this morning, suddenly the great Oscar winning theme music by Van...
Tom Mellett
tmasthenes13 Offline Send Email
Sep 15, 2010
8:04 pm

"Ted projects on to Peter a far more vicious personal condemnation than Frank." Oh come come (in best Britisher sang froid)! It's a mere pin prick compared to...
ted.wrinch Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
8:35 pm

... I'm not sure it has much to do with me personally (though any number of anthroposophists think I'm Jewish). Many anthroposophists and many other...
Peter Staudenmaier
pstauden Offline Send Email
Sep 15, 2010
9:08 pm

"In any case, if you'd like to revisit the topic, you could explain why you argued that Ostwald opposed the overcoming of scientific materialism and why...
ted.wrinch Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
2:19 pm

Good morning Ted, ... We could definitely discuss that view, especially if we relate it to anthroposophy. ... That isn't my view, but we could discuss it...
Peter Staudenmaier
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Sep 15, 2010
2:51 pm

As I've said many times, I don't consider myself an expert on anything, calling myself instead 'an educated enthusiast' (check through the archives for your...
ted.wrinch Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
3:37 pm

"Physicists," then, are not experts in physics?...
winters_diana Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
3:52 pm

"BTW, I never said I was" For clarity, this ought to have said: "BTW, I never said I was a physicist" which, too, can be checked in the archives. If of course...
ted.wrinch Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
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"Yet you consider yourself an expert on "science" and "physics" and "materialism," not to mention Jews, Aryans, and a variety of other topics. " Yes, this from...
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