This past week has been hot and humid or warm and humid for my daily
morning runs. During the hot and humid and warm and humid days, I do
not run well. I do not enjoy my runs and begin to question why I am
running in the steamy heat (and I run at 6:30 in the morning). Then
I wonder why in the world I signed up for VT in mid-July. I have
been up there twice and both times it has been mid-80s and humid. I
just do not run well in 80s and plain hate 80s and humid. I must be
nuts to be going to VT. Summers should be for laying in a pool.
Then
I think about all the stomach trouble I have in the heat and how bad
the water tasted at VT. I am not sure if the water really tasted that
bad or if it was just because my stomach was already churning. I
think they have a lot of well water and it had a mineral taste. I
could still taste the water when it was mixed with drink powder. If
I took a crew, I would have them carry lots of good water. I also
remembered how the down hills beat my toe nails black and destroyed
my quads. I was wasteed after 20 to 25 miles into the course both
years I went.
This morning, the cool front that the weather people have been
predicting for the past three days actually finally passed through
and we had a cool and dry morning. I got out there and running was
fun again. VT is only two weeks away and we are going to have a
great time there. VT has some great scenery and lots of wildlife and
domestic animals. VT weather can be great in July. If it is a nice
cool day, life will be great. The wonderful crowd on this list will
be there. My buddy Jim Garcia will be there and can tell us if the
course is short. He and Courtney should keep it interesting up
front,
but it will be like LHHT. We will only see those guys backs for a
brief time after the start. Ann, Chrissy, and Janice, wow. My fellow
grand slammer Jay Hodde will be there (we spent a lot of time
together on the trails in '97). Newton Baker, who has kicked my butt
and won our age group the last two years at Olander, will be there.
All us Eastern Steps gang are going to finish. This running is
wonderful stuff.
It is just amazing what running on a nice cool day does for your body
and spirit. Now if I could just get a shoe company to give me shoes,
I could join in the how many different shoes I am going wear at VT
discussion. As it is, I plan on wearing two shoes, one on the left
foot and one on the right foot. That reminds me, I need a new pair.
LHHT was not kind to the pair I am running in now. See you all in
two weeks.
Frank
Frank, well I must say your posting made me grin from ear to ear. Thanks
for your insight and always making it fun whether on the trail or off. We
will all do well. Just think that way and let the feet lead you. Look
forward to seeing you, Eric, Monica and to finally meet Ann Trason. Will be
a blast. Happy training.
John
Frank,
First of all, you are nuts. Why would anybody run in all that humidity. It
always bothers me and changes the complexion of my races. I have run all the VT
100's (dropped out of two of them) and normally we get either heat or humidity
(last year being the exception) and not both. I vote for heat and not humidity.
As they say, "It's not the heat, it's the humility." See you there.
Talk later,
Jeff Washburn
Frank
Thanks so much for the posting. From a fellow stomach churner, your
sentiments sure hit home but more importantly your positive thoughts about
running are appreciated fuel for the fire. See you in Vermont
Ed Schultze
Good post, Frank. I've had similar problems with running in humidity
lately, so I've tried to beat it by attacking - doing all my runs in the
heat and humidity of the day. I don't know if it's working though
because I still feel like crap when I run -it feels like there's just no
juice in my legs.....maybe I'm hoping to just be used to it. However,
today I did a 15 mile run on the C&O Canal path, started at noon and
finished at 2:00. I felt great the whole time, but then again, it
wasn't that hot or humid (81 degrees, 40% humidity) - I'll hope for the
same at VT. Michelle tagged along on the mountain bike carrying a
couple extra bottles of water for me, and we had a good time out there,
besides the crowded spots. Been trying to do most of my running on hard
or hard-packed surfaces in preparation for the terrain at VT, but wonder
if I'm doing more damage than good. Guess I'll find out in 2 weeks!
Today was the last longish run, now I'm left with only sub-7-mile runs.
Looking forward to seeing/running with you all again.
Eric
Frank Probst wrote:
>
> This past week has been hot and humid or warm and humid for my daily
> morning runs. During the hot and humid and warm and humid days, I do
> not run well. I do not enjoy my runs and begin to question why I am
> running in the steamy heat (and I run at 6:30 in the morning). Then
> I wonder why in the world I signed up for VT in mid-July. I have
> been up there twice and both times it has been mid-80s and humid. I
> just do not run well in 80s and plain hate 80s and humid. I must be
> nuts to be going to VT. Summers should be for laying in a pool.
> Then
> I think about all the stomach trouble I have in the heat and how bad
> the water tasted at VT. I am not sure if the water really tasted that
> bad or if it was just because my stomach was already churning. I
> think they have a lot of well water and it had a mineral taste. I
> could still taste the water when it was mixed with drink powder. If
> I took a crew, I would have them carry lots of good water. I also
> remembered how the down hills beat my toe nails black and destroyed
> my quads. I was wasteed after 20 to 25 miles into the course both
> years I went.
>
> This morning, the cool front that the weather people have been
> predicting for the past three days actually finally passed through
> and we had a cool and dry morning. I got out there and running was
> fun again. VT is only two weeks away and we are going to have a
> great time there. VT has some great scenery and lots of wildlife and
> domestic animals. VT weather can be great in July. If it is a nice
> cool day, life will be great. The wonderful crowd on this list will
> be there. My buddy Jim Garcia will be there and can tell us if the
> course is short. He and Courtney should keep it interesting up
> front,
> but it will be like LHHT. We will only see those guys backs for a
> brief time after the start. Ann, Chrissy, and Janice, wow. My fellow
> grand slammer Jay Hodde will be there (we spent a lot of time
> together on the trails in '97). Newton Baker, who has kicked my butt
> and won our age group the last two years at Olander, will be there.
> All us Eastern Steps gang are going to finish. This running is
> wonderful stuff.
>
> It is just amazing what running on a nice cool day does for your body
> and spirit. Now if I could just get a shoe company to give me shoes,
> I could join in the how many different shoes I am going wear at VT
> discussion. As it is, I plan on wearing two shoes, one on the left
> foot and one on the right foot. That reminds me, I need a new pair.
> LHHT was not kind to the pair I am running in now. See you all in
> two weeks.
>
> Frank
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Eric: You are ready. As you pointed out, today was a very unusual
day for the DC area. C&O is a good place to train, but like my
daily training run course, it is a bit flat. It was high 60s to high
70s and low humidity when we did our little training run on the
Northern section of the Bull Run Trail. (I hope someone does not
decide that Bull Run reminds them of the Civil War and thus we have
to
quite running there to be politically correct.) It was a beautiful
day. It is only 82 out there now, but that is tough in the direct
sun. I just sealed my driveway and got a bit warm. One other thing
about camping at VT, If you get there early, try and pick out a
protected spot so someone does not come in late at night and run into
your tent. Two weeks from now we will be well into the VT course.
Bring it on.
Frank
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Well, I know Eric, Ed, the Washman and Johnny are still alive, a lot
of onesies and zeros were generated by a person who either droped or
dropped (not literally), and there is a lot of BS on the ultra list
about being politically correct even if the issue is not worth our
time. Has everyone else died or quit? I am stuck at home this 4th
of
July weekend, there is absolutely nothing on TV and all my friends on
this list must be completely ready and have gone to the beach (or to
Silverton). Deb must be baby-sitting. Martha, where are you? I saw a
fellow VHTRC lady going to VT on the trail this morning. She did 21
trail miles yesterday AM and was on her way to a 13 or so today. I
felt like I was being lazy as I only did 12 yesterday and 5 this
morning and am still having hip joint aches from LHHT. It is tough
to
balance healing/recovering and yet keep up the mileage. This
particular runner was covered in goose bumps yesterday at the start
of
our run along Bull Run, so she is probably praying for hot weather
while I am trying to will a nice cool day. Faith moves mountains (or
at least helps you climb over them). I am hoping that she makes all
the cutoffs this time. She is still looking for her first 100 finish.
I have ordered two pair of new shoes on Friday, but still only plan
on
wearing one pair to get me through VT. Do they make big trail shoes
(size 13/14) for us high arched, narrowed foot, folks who just need
cushioning and not a lot of stability. I hate to waste the price of
a
pair when road shoes have carried me through over 60 ultras. I would
have 70 if I would quit dnfing. Maybe not using trails shoes is the
problem.
Doesn't anyone have some wild new light, water pack, or magic drink,
nutrition bar or shoe that we can talk about? Responses welcome. I
need help to get through the next two weeks.
Ol' Frank - who is back to feeling his age (it's high 80's, but not
too humid, so it IS the heat too!)
Hi Frank
ed here and I appreciate the opportunity to share some.
I coincidentally was running this morning thinking about Vermont, my second
100, and thinking about you and your recent post about the weather. I had
trouble at Laurel with a few things the top two I think were being so close
to MMT and then the heat. I read an article on, I think Kevin Sayer's site
about heat acclimation so... I have been purposely (is that a word??)
delaying my morning runs until mid afternoon to get the hottest part of the
day. It was hot and humid and I only did about ten miles each day yesterday
and today but it still feels great. Just gettin out on the trails and in the
mood is addicting. I run and daydream about running through new ground in
Vermont, seeing Mountains I have not seen and pushing myself to complete
another 100. I love every component of the ultras: the distance, the
challenge, the adventure, testing myself, being in the woods, seeing new
towns and new terrain and then the comaraderie (I doubt even spell check can
fix this one), running at night. I like running alone and I like running with
other trail runners. And I do like trying to solve all these problems that so
many of us share: what to eat, what shoes to wear, what gear to have, how to
strategize the runs, timing, etc. etc.
I look forward to the responses to your question about trail shoes versus
running shoes. I have some Asics 2050 which are good and some Montrail
Vitess's which are relatively new. I love the trail shoes and like the
additional support and protection and was thinking of going with them to
Vermont but one of these shoes is causing heel problems on my left foot only.
I also know that the Asics address my overpronation and are lighter. In
addition, a fellow ultra runner who works at a shoe store has constantly
talked my out of trail shoes knowing I run the AT and Massanutten. I dont
think I have 250 miles on either and really dont want to buy a new pair
untill I feel confident I know which one to go with. From what I have been
learning, Vermont is not near as rocky and rooty as what I am used to , so
running shoes may be best. Not a huge problem but I look forward to hearing
what other peoples experience has been.
BTW I could not go to Bull Run yesterday (my wife's birthday) but will meet
with Anstr et.al. tomorrow for some type of run in DC.
Thanks Frank, I wish you good luck in Vermont
Ed
Some of you already know this, but others may not. I posted this to
the ultra list yesterday and forgot the e-group, so you may have
already read it. Delete away!
Be forewarned: the horses aren't running with us this year. They had
to run a couple weekends ago "due to a qualifier that needed to be
done earlier than our event," according to Priscilla Tucker, the new
race director. "We are hoping that this will only happen this year."
Please do *not* write or call Priscilla about the horse race; she's
really swamped, this is her first year directing our race, and she's
out of town for a few days, too. If you have questions about the
foot race that aren't answered on the web site or in the information
the entrants have already received, I'm sure she'll be just as gracious
answering you as she was answering me. I'm looking forward to
meeting her and offering to help out in the days before the race.
I have mixed feelings about no horses. On the one hand, I loved
learning about that race, meeting the riders, and running alongside
the four-legged athletes when I ran the race in 1998. Part of the
reason I wanted to return to the race this year (besides avenging
my dnf at 85 miles) was to "run with the horses" again. It was a
great distraction! On the other hand, I came real close to having a
horse step on my foot one time on a deep, narrow trail when I didn't
move over far enough (probably my fault as much as the rider, who
came from behind me). But to me, the advantages of having the
horses run with us during the daytime far out-weighed any minor
disadvantages.
I'm grateful the owners of Smoke Rise are allowing us to use their
beautiful horse farm to stage the race again, even though the horse
race isn't the same date. If you like the place, please let the Rojeks
know before or after the race so the foot race can continue to be
staged from there in the future. Again, Priscilla predicts in future
years the horse race WILL run concurrently with the foot race. But
if it makes a difference to you, check *before* you enter the race.
Now, let's all hope for cool, dry weather in Vermont on July 15-16!
Happy trails,
Sue Norwood
Billings, MT
Sue: I have only run with horses three times and I will not miss
them. The runs were one Groundhog and two VT. I had stomach trouble
at each of those runs (actually I have only had two ultras when I did
not have stomach trouble). The smell of good fresh horse droppings
on
a twisted stomach just did not seem to be the cure for nausea. Even
when piles were not visible, you could still smell the horses. Naw,
I
will not miss that at all. As you already pointed out, it can be
tricky getting passed by thoses big fellows on narrow trails. Will
not miss that either. It is bad enough that I get passed by all
those runners who go out smart and keep their stomachs under
control. There will be enough beautiful horses at Smoke Rise and
other farms we run by, so we will get to see horses. Last time I
also
saw playful otters and a mama wild turkey with a brood of half grown
younsters. I do not remember if I saw any deer as they are common
on a trail run and do not remember any squirrels. Where I live,
squirrels are very abundant, so I notice not seeing them as unusual.
Of course, if those big dogs out front would not scare everything
away, we would see more animals.
Frank
Hey Frank and all,
I'm not doing much this 4 day weekend either, except that it's not a 4
day weekend for me - I'm on my way in for a mid-shift in about half an
hour (1:00 am).
I got a 2nd pair of trail shoes (Montrail Leona Divide) for VT yesterday
but I have to return them because a lace eyelet tore off. My plan is to
use one pair per 50 miles, just to have something new on my feet....even
though both pairs are exactly the same.
Since the aid stations are so close together, I assume most people's
plan is to just carry one bottle with them? I'm just trying to decide
if I want to use a hand-held or a single-bottle waist pack. I felt so
free yesterday when I ran with Michelle carrying all my water on the
bike....hmmm, maybe I'll just have her ride 100 miles with me. Or even
better, I could just ride my mountain bike and carry my water myself so
as not to get called for muling.
Anyway, I better get going...the Air Force calls.
Eric
Frank Probst wrote:
>
> Well, I know Eric, Ed, the Washman and Johnny are still alive, a lot
> of onesies and zeros were generated by a person who either droped or
> dropped (not literally), and there is a lot of BS on the ultra list
> about being politically correct even if the issue is not worth our
> time. Has everyone else died or quit? I am stuck at home this 4th
> of
> July weekend, there is absolutely nothing on TV and all my friends on
> this list must be completely ready and have gone to the beach (or to
> Silverton). Deb must be baby-sitting. Martha, where are you? I saw a
> fellow VHTRC lady going to VT on the trail this morning. She did 21
> trail miles yesterday AM and was on her way to a 13 or so today. I
> felt like I was being lazy as I only did 12 yesterday and 5 this
> morning and am still having hip joint aches from LHHT. It is tough
> to
> balance healing/recovering and yet keep up the mileage. This
> particular runner was covered in goose bumps yesterday at the start
> of
> our run along Bull Run, so she is probably praying for hot weather
> while I am trying to will a nice cool day. Faith moves mountains (or
> at least helps you climb over them). I am hoping that she makes all
> the cutoffs this time. She is still looking for her first 100 finish.
>
> I have ordered two pair of new shoes on Friday, but still only plan
> on
> wearing one pair to get me through VT. Do they make big trail shoes
> (size 13/14) for us high arched, narrowed foot, folks who just need
> cushioning and not a lot of stability. I hate to waste the price of
> a
> pair when road shoes have carried me through over 60 ultras. I would
> have 70 if I would quit dnfing. Maybe not using trails shoes is the
> problem.
>
> Doesn't anyone have some wild new light, water pack, or magic drink,
> nutrition bar or shoe that we can talk about? Responses welcome. I
> need help to get through the next two weeks.
>
> Ol' Frank - who is back to feeling his age (it's high 80's, but not
> too humid, so it IS the heat too!)
>
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Hi, Frank!
Thanks for the inquiry <Martha, where are you?> -- yes, I have been
rather quiet later. Due to some extenuating circumstances (possible
foot problem), I won't be able to run Vermont. I've been pretty bummed
about it, but there's always another year. However, the rest of the
Richmond (& Charlottesville) contingent will be there - Ken Hubbard
(5th at LH), John Deeter, Bill Harrold and Russell Gill.
Good to hear that everyone on the list is feeling pretty good and is
ready to go. I wish you all the best and I hope the weather is a
little more seasonable than last year.
Have a great race!
Martha
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Yep Frank, I'm babysitting... it is forcing a taper because I have
no baby jogger - I actually might have a total two week layoff before
Vermont as I am keeping her every day.
Dont know if that's a good thing or not.. I will have gained 30
pounds by then because my appetite thinks I'm still doing lots of
mileage....
:-O Just look for the chubby red-headed runner with the Texas drawl
- that would be me!
I did get out on some very hilly trails this past Saturday for about
20 miles maybe - but it felt like 50, so I dont know what that means.. I
haven't felt recovered really truely since Massanutten.... must be this age
thing - darn!!! Plus, it doesnt much matter, anyway.. Having looked at the
women's field for this year's race, I could run a personal best by 5 hours
and still only finish maybe 7th or 8th woman! So, for me, it'll just be to
have a good time, and do some socializing out there on the trails with all
you guys. Frank, since we wont be seeing the horses this year, does that
mean those big tubs full of water and sponges wont be out there? Even with
horse slobber mixed in, they felt pretty good in the 100 degree heat last
year!
and here's a question: I think it's been discussed before, though
perhaps not on this forum.. does anyone else refrain from taking salt tabs
during training to "train" the body to become more efficient in conserving
salt? Does it make a difference? I typically do not use the Succeed tabs
during training runs. I just wondered if this has any effect during
races... I have noticed that my sweat seems to be less salty tasting now
that we've have a good week of hot and humid weather -
see ya'll in two weeks!! yippee!
deb
]
> From: Frank Probst [SMTP:probstf@...]
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 6:28 PM
> To: vt100@egroups.com
> Subject: [vt100] New Thread
>
> Well, I know Eric, Ed, the Washman and Johnny are still alive, a lot
> of onesies and zeros were generated by a person who either droped or
> dropped (not literally), and there is a lot of BS on the ultra list
> about being politically correct even if the issue is not worth our
> time. Has everyone else died or quit? I am stuck at home this 4th
> of
> July weekend, there is absolutely nothing on TV and all my friends on
> this list must be completely ready and have gone to the beach (or to
> Silverton). Deb must be baby-sitting. Martha, where are you? I saw a
> fellow VHTRC lady going to VT on the trail this morning. She did 21
> trail miles yesterday AM and was on her way to a 13 or so today. I
> felt like I was being lazy as I only did 12 yesterday and 5 this
> morning and am still having hip joint aches from LHHT. It is tough
> to
> balance healing/recovering and yet keep up the mileage. This
> particular runner was covered in goose bumps yesterday at the start
> of
> our run along Bull Run, so she is probably praying for hot weather
> while I am trying to will a nice cool day. Faith moves mountains (or
> at least helps you climb over them). I am hoping that she makes all
> the cutoffs this time. She is still looking for her first 100 finish.
>
> I have ordered two pair of new shoes on Friday, but still only plan
> on
> wearing one pair to get me through VT. Do they make big trail shoes
> (size 13/14) for us high arched, narrowed foot, folks who just need
> cushioning and not a lot of stability. I hate to waste the price of
> a
> pair when road shoes have carried me through over 60 ultras. I would
> have 70 if I would quit dnfing. Maybe not using trails shoes is the
> problem.
>
> Doesn't anyone have some wild new light, water pack, or magic drink,
> nutrition bar or shoe that we can talk about? Responses welcome. I
> need help to get through the next two weeks.
>
> Ol' Frank - who is back to feeling his age (it's high 80's, but not
> too humid, so it IS the heat too!)
>
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Deb: At times I think it would be nice to have grand kids and at
times, not. Taking it easy these last two weeks will not hurt you.
You are right about the field. I imagine that at least seven of the
ladies will beat me too, providing that I finish.
I never take electrolyte tabs during training and do not take them
for the first couple hours of an ultra. I take my first one when
my stomach starts to lock up. The salt usually keeps things moving
out of the stomach. I also take one anytime I start cramping. I
know some people take them every X hours or minutes, but you can
recover from too little salt by popping a tab with water. You have a
much harder time recovering from too much salt. I do think the salt
has helped with my finicky stomach and with cramping during the later
stages of an ultra. I probably should have carried tabs with me when
we were marking the MMT trail as I nearly passed out going up
Waterfall in the sun and heat in the late afternoon the day before
the
MMT. I had two bottles of plain water, but they did not do the trick.
This morning, I had some honey-do errands to run and did not do my
training run until 11:30. I went 9 miles and then from 1PM to 5PM, I
washed and waxed vehicles (of course there is a big thunderstorm out
side right now and my roof is leaking, but that's another story.) So
I spent four hours after my run out in the hot sun. I drank a lot of
water and Pepsi. While eating supper, I got a cramp in my hand. The
salt with the food and plenty more water seems to have taken care of
it. If I get another cramp, I will certainly pop a tab. (Looks like
I will be in the sun again tomorrow, on my roof.)
Have fun with the baby.
Frank
--- In vt100@egroups.com, reno_debra@e... wrote:
> Yep Frank, I'm babysitting... it is forcing a taper because I
have
> no baby jogger - I actually might have a total two week layoff
before
> Vermont as I am keeping her every day.
> Dont know if that's a good thing or not.. I will have gained
30
> pounds by then because my appetite thinks I'm still doing lots of
> mileage....
> :-O Just look for the chubby red-headed runner with the Texas
drawl
> - that would be me!
>
> I did get out on some very hilly trails this past Saturday for
about
> 20 miles maybe - but it felt like 50, so I dont know what that
means.. I
> haven't felt recovered really truely since Massanutten.... must be
this age
> thing - darn!!! Plus, it doesnt much matter, anyway.. Having
looked
at the
> women's field for this year's race, I could run a personal best by
5
hours
> and still only finish maybe 7th or 8th woman! So, for me, it'll
just be to
> have a good time, and do some socializing out there on the trails
with all
> you guys. Frank, since we wont be seeing the horses this year,
does
that
> mean those big tubs full of water and sponges wont be out there?
Even with
> horse slobber mixed in, they felt pretty good in the 100 degree
heat
last
> year!
>
> and here's a question: I think it's been discussed before,
though
> perhaps not on this forum.. does anyone else refrain from taking
salt tabs
> during training to "train" the body to become more efficient in
conserving
> salt? Does it make a difference? I typically do not use the
Succeed tabs
> during training runs. I just wondered if this has any effect during
> races... I have noticed that my sweat seems to be less salty
tasting
now
> that we've have a good week of hot and humid weather -
>
> see ya'll in two weeks!! yippee!
> deb
>
>
>
> ]
> > From: Frank Probst [SMTP:probstf@e...]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 6:28 PM
> > To: vt100@egroups.com
> > Subject: [vt100] New Thread
> >
> > Well, I know Eric, Ed, the Washman and Johnny are still alive, a
lot
> > of onesies and zeros were generated by a person who either droped
or
> > dropped (not literally), and there is a lot of BS on the ultra
list
> > about being politically correct even if the issue is not worth
our
> > time. Has everyone else died or quit? I am stuck at home this
4th
> > of
> > July weekend, there is absolutely nothing on TV and all my
friends
on
> > this list must be completely ready and have gone to the beach (or
to
> > Silverton). Deb must be baby-sitting. Martha, where are you? I
saw a
> > fellow VHTRC lady going to VT on the trail this morning. She did
21
> > trail miles yesterday AM and was on her way to a 13 or so today.
I
> > felt like I was being lazy as I only did 12 yesterday and 5 this
> > morning and am still having hip joint aches from LHHT. It is
tough
> > to
> > balance healing/recovering and yet keep up the mileage. This
> > particular runner was covered in goose bumps yesterday at the
start
> > of
> > our run along Bull Run, so she is probably praying for hot
weather
> > while I am trying to will a nice cool day. Faith moves mountains
(or
> > at least helps you climb over them). I am hoping that she makes
all
> > the cutoffs this time. She is still looking for her first 100
finish.
> >
> > I have ordered two pair of new shoes on Friday, but still only
plan
> > on
> > wearing one pair to get me through VT. Do they make big trail
shoes
> > (size 13/14) for us high arched, narrowed foot, folks who just
need
> > cushioning and not a lot of stability. I hate to waste the price
of
> > a
> > pair when road shoes have carried me through over 60 ultras. I
would
> > have 70 if I would quit dnfing. Maybe not using trails shoes is
the
> > problem.
> >
> > Doesn't anyone have some wild new light, water pack, or magic
drink,
> > nutrition bar or shoe that we can talk about? Responses welcome.
I
> > need help to get through the next two weeks.
> >
> > Ol' Frank - who is back to feeling his age (it's high 80's, but
not
> > too humid, so it IS the heat too!)
> >
> >
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So, I usually do a group track workout on Tuesday nights with some local
triathletes and runners (one of them is Joanna Zeiger, who will be
representing the USA at the Olympics in triathlon this september), but
tonight's workout was cancelled because of the holiday so I decided to
jump into a local 5k for a quick speed workout. Man, that's a whole
different kind of "fun." It's been awhile since I've done something
short like that and I completely forgot what it's like to start out at
almost a full sprint! I also forgot that it's possible to want to puke
after only 3 miles!
Anyway, I managed 3rd in my division (20-29)- yeah, divisions, I almost
forgot what that's like too, in 17:49. So I figure that works out to
about 9 and half hours for 100 miles, right? Just kidding!
Eric: 17:49 is not too shabby. I ran a 12K last year and and a 20
miler in '98, but have not run a 5K in ages. I always get trashed in
my age division in 5 and 10K races. This is one tough area, so third
in your division is a good show. Now if you can be 3rd in your
division at VT, that will be great. Of course 9 and a half would do
a
bit better than 3rd. Now where did that long weekend go?
Frank
--- In vt100@egroups.com, eric ivey <eciandmci@h...> wrote:
> So, I usually do a group track workout on Tuesday nights with some
local
> triathletes and runners (one of them is Joanna Zeiger, who will be
> representing the USA at the Olympics in triathlon this september),
but
> tonight's workout was cancelled because of the holiday so I decided
to
> jump into a local 5k for a quick speed workout. Man, that's a whole
> different kind of "fun." It's been awhile since I've done something
> short like that and I completely forgot what it's like to start out
at
> almost a full sprint! I also forgot that it's possible to want to
puke
> after only 3 miles!
> Anyway, I managed 3rd in my division (20-29)- yeah, divisions, I
almost
> forgot what that's like too, in 17:49. So I figure that works out
to
> about 9 and half hours for 100 miles, right? Just kidding!
Good job on the 5K Eric! I've done 2 of them total in my life, I think.
ouch.
5k's are tooooo hard... gimme a 50 Miler any ol' day... Last road race I did
was in January - a tough, hilly 16 miler in NH. It was a "tempo run" for me
- just wanted to get a run in and have some fun....Would you believe that a
volunteer actually chided me for walking the hills? He saw me power walking
a hill at about the 5 mile mark and started shaking his head."You're going
to be in trouble if you're already walking" he said... I just smiled and
went on. Then, another woman runner and I kept trading places - she would
run up the hills and pass me.. I would power walk them, and pass her on the
down, and we were pretty even on the flat stretches.. After doing this
several times, she said to me, as she passed me on the uphill, (in a sort of
snobbish voice I might add) "I don't think your plan works very well...".
I beat her by a full 5 minutes. HA!!!
But a 5K????? No way... These days, I only have one speed left, I think..
Today my training consisted of a 14 mile walk pushing a baby carriage.
Okay, a few times I broke into a jog, but this stroller is not made for
running and it developed an annoying squeak. My legs feel fine. My arms
are tired! Good workout though -
Do you think a very tough, hilly, rugged 7 mile trail race this weekend
would be an okay thing to do? I am just sooooo antsy... I will not be
reckless - this course is definitely "break a leg, sprain an ankle"
material, but I just want to run it hard enough to push myself a bit.
opinions, anyone?
deb
ps. Eric, I think, adding in aid station time, pit stops, etc. you could
probably do 10 hours - why not go for it???? :-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Probst [SMTP:probstf@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 3:11 PM
> To: vt100@egroups.com
> Subject: [vt100] Re: Other running
>
> Eric: 17:49 is not too shabby. I ran a 12K last year and and a 20
> miler in '98, but have not run a 5K in ages. I always get trashed in
> my age division in 5 and 10K races. This is one tough area, so third
> in your division is a good show. Now if you can be 3rd in your
> division at VT, that will be great. Of course 9 and a half would do
> a
> bit better than 3rd. Now where did that long weekend go?
>
> Frank
>
> --- In vt100@egroups.com, eric ivey <eciandmci@h...> wrote:
> > So, I usually do a group track workout on Tuesday nights with some
> local
> > triathletes and runners (one of them is Joanna Zeiger, who will be
> > representing the USA at the Olympics in triathlon this september),
> but
> > tonight's workout was cancelled because of the holiday so I decided
> to
> > jump into a local 5k for a quick speed workout. Man, that's a whole
> > different kind of "fun." It's been awhile since I've done something
> > short like that and I completely forgot what it's like to start out
> at
> > almost a full sprint! I also forgot that it's possible to want to
> puke
> > after only 3 miles!
> > Anyway, I managed 3rd in my division (20-29)- yeah, divisions, I
> almost
> > forgot what that's like too, in 17:49. So I figure that works out
> to
> > about 9 and half hours for 100 miles, right? Just kidding!
>
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> A friend asked me for some tips on pacing..... I've never been a pacer,
> but I've had several. I figure that makes me an expert. So,here
> goes......
>
> Reno's Rules of Pacing....
>
> 1. The runner makes the rules.
>
> 2. The runner is entitled to change the rules at any given moment,
> thereby nullifying all previous instructions. She may, of course, do this
> WITHOUT informing the pacer ahead of time, and the pacer is expected to
> take full blame for not knowing the rules have changed. The runner is,
> under these circumstances, allowed to sulk, pout, or throw temper tantrums
> at the pacer/crew for failing to do things "right". (note:see also:
> "marriage", and "childbirth")
>
> 3. The pacer must run behind the runner, unless of course the runner has
> asked you to run in front, in which case, be sure and run far enough
> ahead, but not too far, so as to leave the runner behind, and neither too
> slow or too fast. If you do run behind the runner, and she goes off
> trail, it is still your fault.
>
> 4. Lying is expected, but it must sound sincere. Some examples: "Wow,
> you're really moving forward well now". or, 'You look much fresher than
> that other women"
> or " No, it doesnt bother me at all that you threw up on my
> sandwich."...and of course, the classic, "We 're almost there!".
> Practice saying these with a sincere ring to your voice. A straight face
> is not important, as it will be dark.
>
> 5. The pacer must keep up cheerful conversation and witty stories, unless
> of course the runner has told you to "SHUT UP, WILL YA?". Under these
> circumstances, it is allowed for the pacer to remain quiet, though not so
> quiet as to appear to be pouting. Pouting is only allowed for the runner.
>
> 6. The pacer should help the runner get some food and drink at the aid
> stations. The runner will perhaps not want anything, and will come up
> with a variety of imaginative swear words as answers to any suggestions
> you might make in this regard. In this circumstance, the pacer should
> just smile and secretly stash some food for the moment, approximately 5
> minutes out of the aid station, when the runner will suddenly decide that
> she does indeed want that turkey sandwich. At this point, the pacer
> should NOT say, "I knew you would want this, so I brought some with me".
> The proper response is to say, "well, I took one for myself, and I can't
> finish it all, would you like half?" This way, the runner is spared any
> embarrassment over her childish behavior at the aid station. The same
> goes for: bandaids, vaseline, and toilet paper.
>
> 7. The pacer must bear silently any pain, sickness, blisters, thirst,
> broken legs or kidney failure. Only the runner is allowed to have these
> things.
>
> 8. The pacer should be motivational, as in, "How about we run to that
> next glowstick?" or "I think we can reel in that next runner". If the
> next runner is lying comatose in the trail, so much the better, as you can
> pass strongly, and then remark to your runner, "wow, you passed that guy
> just like he was standing still!"
>
> 9. The pacer should help the runner get through the aid stations as
> quickly as possible, while at the same time, refueling and getting
> necessary supplies for himself.
> It is also expected that the pacer should anticipate any other needs the
> runner might have. Developing your skills of mind-reading will be helpful
> at this point.
>
> 10. The runner may tell you she wants to quit. If a runner
> expresses a deep desire to drop out,("deep desire" is defined as lying
> down in the middle of the trail and refusing to go on) the pacer should
> get the runner to the next aid station. At that point, if the runner is
> still wanting to drop, find out when the cut off is for that aid station.
> Allow the runner to remain there within 30 min. of that cutoff if
> possible. After some rest and refueling, many runners find they can
> continue. And they will forever be in your debt for keeping them in the
> race. They will, however, re-tell the story so that it appears they never
> really wanted to drop at all, and may even twist the truth to appear that
> they stopped at that aid station in order to give YOU a break. This will
> sound something like, "Well, I COULD have broken XX hours, but my pacer...
> etc. etc."
>
> 11. Once the runner finishes, they will likely want to give you a hug of
> gratitude. Considering the fact that they have been running for approx.
> 24 hours, possibly have barfed or had other bodily malfunctions, this may
> not be a pleasant prospect for you. Just endure it, because, you don't
> smell so good yourself, buddy.
>
> 12. Rest, eat and drink, and then get with other pacers and tell all the
> stuff that REALLY happened out there on the trail.....
>
>
Deb -
I can't stop laughing. Was it Stan who asked? I gave him my list of
directions. I also mentioned how cheery even a nice woman like you can be
under these circumstances....observation 1999.....and that he should expect
at least once that I'll break down crying in the middle of the night saying
that I suck at everything. Of course, I also told him that he needs to tell
me how wonderful I am, tell jokes and talk about sex.
I also told him without fail that he is responsible for flashlights!!!!
Since my "I'm screwed" experience where my 21 year old hunk of a pacer and I
had no light, I put the burden on someone else. It will be HIS fault if I'm
in the dark.
Stan....read Deb's post over and over. It was much better and more detailed
than my instructions. Thanks for the help, Deb.
Ruthie
Deb: I do not use a pacer BUT if I ever do, I certainly would like
permission to use that set of instructions. Kinda like no fault
insurance. That would certainly help during any ultra.
Frank
--- In vt100@egroups.com, reno_debra@e... wrote:
> MOI, CRANKY??? NAHHH... NEVER!
>
> > . I also mentioned how cheery even a nice woman like you can be
> > under these circumstances....observation 1999......
No Fault Insurance? I like that! ha!
deb,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Probst [SMTP:probstf@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 8:11 PM
> To: vt100@egroups.com
> Subject: [vt100] Re: Some Tips for all you pacers out there..
>
> Deb: I do not use a pacer BUT if I ever do, I certainly would like
> permission to use that set of instructions. Kinda like no fault
> insurance. That would certainly help during any ultra.
>
> Frank
>
> --- In vt100@egroups.com, reno_debra@e... wrote:
> > MOI, CRANKY??? NAHHH... NEVER!
> >
> > > . I also mentioned how cheery even a nice woman like you can be
> > > under these circumstances....observation 1999......
>
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only the ones that failed the brainwashing.....
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 9:02 PM
> To: vt100
> Subject: [vt100] ???
>
> I was told that they round up the pacers at the finish of the VT 100 and
> slay them so they can never tell the real story... is that so??? S.
>
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In a message dated 7/4/00 9:06:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tiska@...
writes:
> I was told that they round up the pacers at the finish of the VT 100 and
> slay them so they can never tell the real story... is that so??? S.
>
YES!!
Are all the special favors promised to the pacer granted before he meets his
untimely death???? S....
RUTHKES@... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/4/00 9:06:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tiska@...
> writes:
>
> > I was told that they round up the pacers at the finish of the VT 100 and
> > slay them so they can never tell the real story... is that so??? S.
> >
> YES!!
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> To: vt100@egroups.com
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> Are all the special favors promised to the pacer granted before he meets
> his
> untimely death???? S....
>
> RUTHKES@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 7/4/00 9:06:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> tiska@...
> > writes:
> >
> > > I was told that they round up the pacers at the finish of the VT 100
> and
> > > slay them so they can never tell the real story... is that so??? S.
> > >
> > YES!!
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Well, since you're going to be MY pacer, I'll keep you wondering....
What did I promise anyway?
Ruthie
In a message dated 7/4/00 9:33:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tiska@...
writes:
> Are all the special favors promised to the pacer granted before he meets his
> untimely death???? S....
>
> RUTHKES@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 7/4/00 9:06:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tiska@vgernet.
> net
> > writes:
> >
> > > I was told that they round up the pacers at the finish of the VT 100
and
> > > slay them so they can never tell the real story... is that so??? S.
> > >
> > YES!!
watch it or you'll have lots of volunteers calling you up for future
races!!! :-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RUTHKES@... [SMTP:RUTHKES@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 9:35 PM
> To: vt100@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [vt100] ???
>
>
> Well, since you're going to be MY pacer, I'll keep you wondering....
> What did I promise anyway?
>
> Ruthie
>
> In a message dated 7/4/00 9:33:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> tiska@...
> writes:
>
> > Are all the special favors promised to the pacer granted before he meets
> his
> > untimely death???? S....
> >
> > RUTHKES@... wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 7/4/00 9:06:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> tiska@vgernet.
> > net
> > > writes:
> > >
> > > > I was told that they round up the pacers at the finish of the VT
> 100
> and
> > > > slay them so they can never tell the real story... is that so???
> S.
> > > >
> > > YES!!
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What if I am the pacer from hell???
What if I make statements or did things like...
1) "Are you developing a limp?"
2) "I have 5 bucks that says you go down before mile mark 87"
3) I run closely behind you and keep kicking your trailing foot just
enough to trip you...
4) I eat your food....
5) I put icy/hot and alcohol on your blistered feet by mistake....
6) You finding little globs of turkey meat floating in the water bottle
I filled for you....
7) I run backwards in front of you and keep chanting "you'll never make
it"
Would you still like me if I made mistakes like this???
I will try not to... Stan... *evil grin*
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