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Before I begin with my claim, I've noticed that there has been
discussion at Wikipedia over what constitutes 'steampunk.' There is
an
argument, for example, if the technology uses not steam, but
electricity, it is not steampunk.
For my purposes here, what I mean by steampunk fiction is a sub-genre
of science fiction, set in a time period roughly from 1850 to World
War
I and involves a more advanced technology than had actually
occurred. 'Steampunk' is a convenient label, one can call it Romantic
Science Fiction or something else, I do not wish to quarrel over
labels.

After getting that out of the way, I wish to propose here hopefully a
true an interesting claim concerning steampunk literature: steampunk
fiction stories have political backdrop, at least implicit. Here are
some examples: the TV show and movie Wild, Wild, West had politics.
Some characters were loyal to the United States government, others
ranged from old Confederates to Mexican revolutionaries.
A second example is from the more recent novel The Difference Engine
by Bruce Sterling. The introduction of a mechanical computer in the
19th century had repercussions for the British Empire. Another
example is the Jules Verne novel 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. The
political backdrop is implicit. In a later book by Verne we learn
that Captain Nemo was an Indian Prince; I heard that in a rough
draft, Captain Nemo was a Pole. Captain Nemo, whatever his personal
faults, seems to consider himself to be an enemy of tyranny.

The great truth of Steampunk fiction: Technology can have great
political and social implications.











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Before I begin with my claim, I've noticed that there has been discussion at Wikipedia over what constitutes 'steampunk.' There is an argument, for example,...
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... is ... It's a perfect example of the human tendency to label and define things into absurdity... The definitions on my FAQ are purposely vague exactly...
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... Isn't that the gist of what Mcluhan and even William Gibson write about (or worte) about? The technology as developed is usually extensions of what we...
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From: "Ronald Dwyer" <dwyer_ron@...> Subject: [Steampunk] The Social Backdrop of Steampunk Fiction As far as I'm aware the "steampunk" label came out...
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Doesn't the term punk in of itself reference the lower-class or anti-authority mindset (think Sex Pistols)? Granted a lot of steampunk tends to focus on...
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... The use of "punk" seems to have escaped from it's source meaning when it comes to the culture too, frankly. But that's neither here nor there....
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I guess you're right--when people label Avril Lavigne "punk", you know that things are askew. -C ... From: steampunk2@yahoogroups.com...
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... About 14 cubic feet of hydrogen or 15 cubic feet of helium. -- Michael...
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I've been doing a lot of thinking, mainly with using zeppelins in a campaign during a war. Now, with WW1, all they were were bombers and there was some use ...
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My answer to the problem would be to disregard reality and go with what looks spectacular. The anime film by Hayao Miyazaki, Castle In The Sky (or Laputa) has...
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... The main constraint derives from the low density of air compared to water (about 1/784th). Using hydrogen lift, you need about 900 times the volume of ship...
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I'm looking at two ways of saying that this could be possible. Concieve of some different type of gas, or modifying helium or hydrogen so that it lifts more....
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... It would be much less. Not the gas, but the _air_ is lifting an airship. And as air is that thin ... With hydrogen, you're using 27/29th of the lifting...
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As far as I'm concerned, I have to disagree. In order for it to achieve a reasonable level of believability for me, Steampunk must use existing technology,...
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... achieve a reasonable level of believability for me, Steampunk must use existing technology It seems to me that everyone is comfortable with their own...
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... of ... Amen to that. ... historic ... could ... a ... I would. And if you got some non-expensive, light-weight armour, there's no way to restrict its use...
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The problem is, helium wasn't discovered until 1895 and wasn't available in any sort of quantity until after WW1. If the name steampunk is to have any meaning...
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... You're remembering that I was replying to the idea of using a cold plasma of some noble gas (and helium is the noble gas discovered _first_, and from the...
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Stephen Vossler wrote: "phlogisten, orzone, brown's gas, phrenology, acetylene engines, aural photography, transmission locomotives, gyro unirails,...
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... wrote: To me the steampunk world is based on Victorian scientific theory and Victorian reality. If we add fantasy, it just goes beyond the mandate that I...
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... and ... If you're using the term "zeppelin" in a narrow sense, it's a truism - only Germans used Zeppelins (besides Schütte-Lanz, Parsevals,...
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Since I started this and have been away for some time, I would like to add my thoughts. Since I do want something that is feasible, I realize that having a ...
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... Sooooo... What are your feelings about "lumiphorious ether"? ;) DGH...
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... From: Baralier "That's rather hair-splitting pedantism." That doesn't matter. What I decide is right for me is right for me, and I'll advocate it for...
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