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20,000 Leagues (Pt. 2)

(cont...)<br>So Cory...if all this really is the
case, then a "Steampunk" story would be a story that
radically juxtaposes things like H-Bombs & rocketships into
an age where they don't belong in order to make
enlightening points about both the technology AND the time
period. (In a sense, all "Steampunk" stories are
alternative history). This is why the distinction is
valuable: Verne and Wells were writing very traditional
"what if?" SF--the same kind we write today when we
speculate about what a trip to Mars would be like or how a
working cold fusion formula would change society. But the
first person to say "Why don't we take this totally
outdated speculative book written in 1875 and film it AS
IS today, WITHOUT updating it" made a tremendous
mental breakthrough. Whoever did it unquestionably
INVENTED something new...and that new thing causes our
heads to swim in a way that is very analogous to what
Gibson did with VR in his cyberpunks. THEREFORE...I
suggest that, though a "Steampunk" work can certainly be
BASED on an actual 19th century book, 19th century
books themselves cannot be Steampunk. And I hereby move
that we limit ourselves to using the word thus!
;-)<br><br>Felinius: I hope maybe you will see now that Walt Disney
DID NOT just "remake a Vernian treasure." The
hitherto undiscovered "retro" uses for Verne's obsolete
speculations was A BOLT OUT OF THE BLUE...completely
disconnected from anything that Verne contributed (though
Verne's plot was definitely used). As to what you guys
may or may not think about Walt Disney
personally...hey, you gotta give credit where credit is due. And
his "20,000 Leagues" is undeniably a
masterpiece...even if you're not yet convinced that it has quite the
watershed importance I give it.<br><br>Ain't this FUN?




Thu Feb 3, 2000 8:14 am

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I KNEW I could stir up some trouble in here! I've been away from the board 24 hrs. and now I find 10 new posts! Hooray!<br><br>I'm also gratified to see that...
wonderboss
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Feb 3, 2000
7:52 am

(cont...)<br>So Cory...if all this really is the case, then a "Steampunk" story would be a story that radically juxtaposes things like H-Bombs & rocketships...
wonderboss
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Feb 3, 2000
8:14 am

My head hurts=)<br><br>Cory...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 3, 2000
5:38 pm

Hows this club picture for ya' Rod=)<br><br>Cory...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 3, 2000
5:45 pm

umm... it might just be me but I thought Labyrinth was set in the present day......
_1919
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Feb 3, 2000
7:39 pm

Ahhh but isn't it set in a dreamworld?? A Dreamworld that happens to take place in the mid-80s ;)...
felinius_j_catthias
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Feb 3, 2000
7:48 pm

The mid-80s weren't real.<br><br>Trust me....
istvansanger
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Feb 4, 2000
1:09 am

Hey! I liked the mid-80's. The world was a better place then :)...
flashback1313
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Feb 4, 2000
8:50 am

Since you're 133 years old, when you say "the mid-80's" weren't real, is that the 1980's or the 1880's? ;-)...
wonderboss
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Feb 4, 2000
10:19 am

Either of them.<br><br>Particulary the 1980s... <br><br>A better place? What, with the thread of nuclear annilation over our heads and brit-pop music...
istvansanger
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Feb 4, 2000
5:02 pm

More like the threat of big transforming robots at war and Michael Jackson everywhere... Brit pop was the only good thing about the 80s=).<br><br>Cory...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 4, 2000
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(chuckles) We should never have given them a Casio...<br><br>(lol!)<br>I think I missed the transforming robots part... Where were they stationed again?...
istvansanger
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Feb 4, 2000
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Heehee...<br><br>As I recall, some were in Oregon, and some were all over the place... in factories, under the ocean, and so on=).<br><br>Now, what we need are...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 4, 2000
6:21 pm

AMEN!!!...
felinius_j_catthias
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Feb 4, 2000
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I think that Transformers name was Astrotrain. There was another Transformer named Starscream, but he only turned into a jet and a robot.<br><br>I like ...
flashback1313
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Feb 5, 2000
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Steampunk Alerts for:<br><br>TUE, FEB 8, 6:00 AM, TCM - THE TIME MACHINE<br><br>THU, FEB 10, 10:15 PM, AMC - SHE (1935)<br><br>SAT, FEB 12, 4:00 AM, TCM - ...
wonderboss
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Feb 8, 2000
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I have never read "20000 Leagues Under the Sea", but I plan on it some day. I am currently rereading the Great Stories of Sherlock Holmes. But I have seen most...
flashback1313
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Feb 8, 2000
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Uh...nooooo...It was Startrain...=P<br><br>Nothin's wrong with Brit-pop... I'm into Bauhaus and Love & Rockets and New Wave (and Goth, obviously).<br><br>Cory...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 8, 2000
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Hi all,<br><br>1919 and I are in the midst of partaking a silent movie festival at a local art house theatre. Its got live organ accompaniment and all that ...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 8, 2000
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Hi again,<br><br>News about a new Victorian adventure game came through the pipe today. Its called "Voyages Extraordinaires" and it's web-page is at:<br><br><a...
Palaeogothica
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Hi Jeff,<br><br>You seem to have picked up the idea that Capt. Nemo is supposed to be the HERO of "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea." Really, he's more like the...
wonderboss
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Feb 9, 2000
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Hey!<br>I like brit pop.... or at least some brit pop<br>mmm...the Cure;)...
_1919
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Feb 9, 2000
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I'm just kidding about the pop... you know that!<br>(chuckle)<br><br>Yeah, the Nemo thing was pretty well pulled off in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen...
istvansanger
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Feb 9, 2000
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Heh... IF League ever finishes=). The good news is that issue #5 appeared in the latest Dimond City Distributor's catalogue!!! Woooo!!! It should be out in...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 10, 2000
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It'll be May, if it's on time. I suspect they delayed showing it for orders because they knew it would be this late...<br><br>It's not like we don't know how...
istvansanger
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Feb 11, 2000
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Hi all,<br><br>I doubt this really falls into the sphere of our club, but has anybody else seen this show "Gormenghast"? What didja' think?<br><br>I found it a...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 15, 2000
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Theres a movie on Gormenghast? As in mervyn peake's gothic three-volumes of madness and decay with a alrge touch of whimsy? Considered by man literary schoalrs...
j_genest
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Feb 15, 2000
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Hee hee, the same. You can check out the lil' page for the miniseries at <a href=http://www.spacecast.com target=new>http://www.spacecast.com</a> (the channel...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 16, 2000
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Buster Keaton also happens to be the world's most Steampunky comedian!<br><br>Almost all of his movies feature old-fashioned locomotives and other elaborate...
wonderboss
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Feb 17, 2000
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Steampunk Alerts for:<br><br>Sun, FEB 20, TCM, 4:30 AM<br>KING SOLOMON'S MINES (1950)<br><br>Thu, FEB 24, AMC, 8 PM<br>AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS<br><br>Two...
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