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Hey Guys,<br><br>Been doing some more musing on
the nature of this "Steampunk" thing. At the risk of
being pedantic, will you let me send it round once
more?<br><br>First of all, I've decided that there are actually two
distinct things which we have heretofore been lumping
together as one thing and calling "Steampunk";<br><br>1.
"Extreme Adventure Fiction" which was actually written
during the Victorian/Edwardian Age by period writers
(i.e., "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" by Verne, "Time
Machine" by Wells, etc.) In other words, these stories are
set in the 19th/early 20th centuries because THAT'S
WHEN THEY WERE WRITTEN.<br><br>2. The same type of
stories, but written AFTER THE FACT--deliberately set IN
THE PAST (i.e., the Victorian Age) by an author not
actually living during that time period. For example, a
modern movie version of Verne's FIRST MEN IN THE MOON
would not be simply a story about a trip to the moon
(as it was to Verne) but a story about a trip to the
moon which took place in the Victorian
past...<br><br>This may sound like a pretty fine distinction, but the
more you think about it the more important it becomes.
Fact is, these are really two very different things;
and the quirky, "punky" thing which is such a big
part of the genre's appeal to us simply wasn't there
for 19th century audiences. This being the case, I
wonder if we shouldn't reserve the use of the term
"Steampunk" for this second category of stories only--SF
"period pieces" so to speak. (Not that we shouldn't
continue to enjoy both, of course, but just to make our
terms more useful).<br><br>If this is really a
legitimate insight, then I think I can isolate the actual
INVENTOR of Steampunk: Walt Disney. Yup, as far as I can
tell from my research the very first person to have
the odd, quixotic notion of making an SF movie out of
a 19th century book WITHOUT UPDATING IT was Walt
Disney, when he decided to make "20,000 Leagues Under the
Sea" in 1953. Check up on me (and correct me if I'm
wrong) but I think ALL earlier versions of Verne/Wells
etc. were either made during the period itself ("Trip
to the Moon" 1902) or else updated to the present
day ("The Invisible Man" 1933).<br><br>Ya'll stew on
that for a while. ;-)




Wed Feb 2, 2000 9:20 am

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Hi all,<br><br>Just to alert any interested parties, Disney's "Tarzan" film is out on video today.<br><br>Um... yep...<br>Cory...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 1, 2000
9:11 pm

Hey Guys,<br><br>Been doing some more musing on the nature of this "Steampunk" thing. At the risk of being pedantic, will you let me send it round once ...
wonderboss
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Feb 2, 2000
9:20 am

That's an interesting insight you have shared on the Steampunk theme, and one I haven't really spent much time thinking about as I have only become interested...
flashback1313
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Feb 2, 2000
10:42 am

Hi,<br><br>Good points Rod n' Flash... If you notice though, I was a bit ahead of you on it: the club message states "Steampunk, Victorian Science Romance, and...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 2, 2000
5:52 pm

Hey I'm a PunkGothArtisticVictorianIndividual. Hehehhe!!<br><br> And I didn't know you were on the Steampunk mailing list too!? Do you ever post at all? I do...
felinius_j_catthias
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Feb 2, 2000
6:23 pm

yep, Sailpunk is interesting... does this mean I have to go and create ANOTHER club?!?!=). I don't find it as interesting as Steampunk though... Perhaps its ...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 2, 2000
7:12 pm

Has anybody played the "Wild Wild West" computer game? How is it? I heard its pretty good... as in, much better than the movie=)...<br><br>Cory...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 2, 2000
7:13 pm

Well we already have seen MedievalPunk type stuff.<br><br> There are many books and films with an advanced technology set in the 1100's-1300's Labrynth is...
felinius_j_catthias
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Feb 2, 2000
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Yipes!<br><br>I think we've suceeded in taking a flying leap from sci-fi into full out fantasy. Not that there's anything wrong with fantasy, but I think we're...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 2, 2000
10:26 pm

It wouldn't be hard for it to be better than the movie :)...
flashback1313
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Feb 3, 2000
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I KNEW I could stir up some trouble in here! I've been away from the board 24 hrs. and now I find 10 new posts! Hooray!<br><br>I'm also gratified to see that...
wonderboss
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Feb 3, 2000
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(cont...)<br>So Cory...if all this really is the case, then a "Steampunk" story would be a story that radically juxtaposes things like H-Bombs & rocketships...
wonderboss
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Feb 3, 2000
8:14 am

My head hurts=)<br><br>Cory...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 3, 2000
5:38 pm

Hows this club picture for ya' Rod=)<br><br>Cory...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 3, 2000
5:45 pm

umm... it might just be me but I thought Labyrinth was set in the present day......
_1919
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Feb 3, 2000
7:39 pm

Ahhh but isn't it set in a dreamworld?? A Dreamworld that happens to take place in the mid-80s ;)...
felinius_j_catthias
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Feb 3, 2000
7:48 pm

The mid-80s weren't real.<br><br>Trust me....
istvansanger
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Feb 4, 2000
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Hey! I liked the mid-80's. The world was a better place then :)...
flashback1313
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Feb 4, 2000
8:50 am

Since you're 133 years old, when you say "the mid-80's" weren't real, is that the 1980's or the 1880's? ;-)...
wonderboss
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Feb 4, 2000
10:19 am

Either of them.<br><br>Particulary the 1980s... <br><br>A better place? What, with the thread of nuclear annilation over our heads and brit-pop music...
istvansanger
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Feb 4, 2000
5:02 pm

More like the threat of big transforming robots at war and Michael Jackson everywhere... Brit pop was the only good thing about the 80s=).<br><br>Cory...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 4, 2000
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(chuckles) We should never have given them a Casio...<br><br>(lol!)<br>I think I missed the transforming robots part... Where were they stationed again?...
istvansanger
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Feb 4, 2000
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Heehee...<br><br>As I recall, some were in Oregon, and some were all over the place... in factories, under the ocean, and so on=).<br><br>Now, what we need are...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 4, 2000
6:21 pm

AMEN!!!...
felinius_j_catthias
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Feb 4, 2000
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I think that Transformers name was Astrotrain. There was another Transformer named Starscream, but he only turned into a jet and a robot.<br><br>I like ...
flashback1313
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Feb 5, 2000
7:12 am

Steampunk Alerts for:<br><br>TUE, FEB 8, 6:00 AM, TCM - THE TIME MACHINE<br><br>THU, FEB 10, 10:15 PM, AMC - SHE (1935)<br><br>SAT, FEB 12, 4:00 AM, TCM - ...
wonderboss
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Feb 8, 2000
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I have never read "20000 Leagues Under the Sea", but I plan on it some day. I am currently rereading the Great Stories of Sherlock Holmes. But I have seen most...
flashback1313
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Feb 8, 2000
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Uh...nooooo...It was Startrain...=P<br><br>Nothin's wrong with Brit-pop... I'm into Bauhaus and Love & Rockets and New Wave (and Goth, obviously).<br><br>Cory...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 8, 2000
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Hi all,<br><br>1919 and I are in the midst of partaking a silent movie festival at a local art house theatre. Its got live organ accompaniment and all that ...
Palaeogothica
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Feb 8, 2000
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Hi again,<br><br>News about a new Victorian adventure game came through the pipe today. Its called "Voyages Extraordinaires" and it's web-page is at:<br><br><a...
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