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#8252 From: "Todd" <conceptzrqt@...>
Date: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: The story of my Vortex 		conceptzrqt
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Merry Christmas too all.


And speaking of getting with it...when am I going to get back with it? The world
may never know...I wont fill you in on the details. I am glad to see most
everyone still hanging around. I will try to frequent more and try to get back
to building.




Take care and I hope everyone has a great and productive NewYear.
Seeya!
Todd






--- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com, Alex Smith <cdninoh@...> wrote:
>
>
> And I though MY life was complicated!!!!!!!!!!!
> Dan's right, of course. You CAN do this. It's going to be something that most
only talk about so "get with the program" ;-).
> Oh, and finish the bathroom too. Gotta keep the peace!!
> Merry Christmas to you and your s/o.
> Stay Tuned.
> Alex
>
> To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> From: blanket@...
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:32:43 +0000
> Subject: [vortex3wheeler] The story of my Vortex
>
>
>
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>       First there was a FireAero...
>
>  I purchased long ago...
>
> Then there was the Vortex...
>
>  and I stil didn't have a house
>
> The Vortex needed a garage...
>
>  I needed a shop...
>
> So I bought a house with a garage
>
> The gargage needed to be finished...
>
> The house needed updating
>
> But the price was right, so a garage was had
>
>  and the Vortex might live...
>
> But first I had to take the wallpaper off the house
>
>  and paint the house and put in wood floors...
>
>  and well...you get the picture
>
> Now the garage needed finishing...
>
>  So I finished the garage...
>
> In the meantime...
>
>  I decide I have one to many cars...
>
>  I try trading work on the Vortex for the FireAero...
>
>  Contractor leaves both cars in the rain for 2 years...enough said
>
> Iraq calls for the 2nd time...
>
> I realize...
>
>  I need a welder
>
>  I need a workbench
>
>  I needs space...and to get rid of the FireAero
>
>  And I really, really needed a toolbox...
>
> (At this point the s/o notesthe absurdity of the situation while I read this
to her...)
>
> Dan tells me to...um...well, I paraphrase...um...get with program...
>
>  and start welding
>
>  and start woodworking...
>
>  and he reminds me that "I can do this..."
>
>  and decide to wait before buying that other "easier" project car...
>
> I'm almost there...
>
>  at least I keep telling myself...
>
>  while the s/o asks when I'm going to finish the bathroom...
>
> But I digress...
>
>  Merry Christmass, and thanks to all the Vortex people I've talked to over the
years!
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#8251 From: Alex Smith <cdninoh@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:20 pm
Subject: RE: The story of my Vortex 		cdninoh
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And I though MY life was complicated!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan's right, of course. You CAN do this. It's going to be something that most
only talk about so "get with the program" ;-).
Oh, and finish the bathroom too. Gotta keep the peace!!
Merry Christmas to you and your s/o.
Stay Tuned.
Alex

To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
From: blanket@...
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:32:43 +0000
Subject: [vortex3wheeler] The story of my Vortex




























       First there was a FireAero...

	 I purchased long ago...

Then there was the Vortex...

	 and I stil didn't have a house

The Vortex needed a garage...

	 I needed a shop...

So I bought a house with a garage

The gargage needed to be finished...

The house needed updating

But the price was right, so a garage was had

	 and the Vortex might live...

But first I had to take the wallpaper off the house

	 and paint the house and put in wood floors...

	 and well...you get the picture

Now the garage needed finishing...

	 So I finished the garage...

In the meantime...

	 I decide I have one to many cars...

	 I try trading work on the Vortex for the FireAero...

	 Contractor leaves both cars in the rain for 2 years...enough said

Iraq calls for the 2nd time...

I realize...

	 I need a welder

	 I need a workbench

	 I needs space...and to get rid of the FireAero

	 And I really, really needed a toolbox...

(At this point the s/o notesthe absurdity of the situation while I read this to
her...)

Dan tells me to...um...well, I paraphrase...um...get with program...

	 and start welding

	 and start woodworking...

	 and he reminds me that "I can do this..."

	 and decide to wait before buying that other "easier" project car...

I'm almost there...

	 at least I keep telling myself...

	 while the s/o asks when I'm going to finish the bathroom...

But I digress...

	 Merry Christmass, and thanks to all the Vortex people I've talked to over the
years!


















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#8250 From: "dstern11" <blanket@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:32 pm
Subject: The story of my Vortex 		dstern11
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First there was a FireAero...
	 I purchased long ago...
Then there was the Vortex...
	 and I stil didn't have a house
The Vortex needed a garage...
	 I needed a shop...
So I bought a house with a garage
The gargage needed to be finished...
The house needed updating
But the price was right, so a garage was had
	 and the Vortex might live...
But first I had to take the wallpaper off the house
	 and paint the house and put in wood floors...
	 and well...you get the picture
Now the garage needed finishing...
	 So I finished the garage...
In the meantime...
	 I decide I have one to many cars...
	 I try trading work on the Vortex for the FireAero...
	 Contractor leaves both cars in the rain for 2 years...enough said
Iraq calls for the 2nd time...
I realize...
	 I need a welder
	 I need a workbench
	 I needs space...and to get rid of the FireAero
	 And I really, really needed a toolbox...
(At this point the s/o notesthe absurdity of the situation while I read this to
her...)
Dan tells me to...um...well, I paraphrase...um...get with program...
	 and start welding
	 and start woodworking...
	 and he reminds me that "I can do this..."
	 and decide to wait before buying that other "easier" project car...
I'm almost there...
	 at least I keep telling myself...
	 while the s/o asks when I'm going to finish the bathroom...
But I digress...
	 Merry Christmass, and thanks to all the Vortex people I've talked to over the
years!

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#8249 From: "cdninoh" <cdninoh@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:53 am
Subject: Another 3 wheeler group 		cdninoh
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Hey guys. Just joined another 3 wheeler group (well, I joined a couple of them
but this one seems to be a good one).
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3WheelerReplicas/
While mostly about Morgan types, these are scratch and plans builders with lots
of good ideas.
Some interesting engine choices and drive trains.
Sure wish I could get my hands on some of the donor cars they have available.
Anyway, I know I don't have a lot of time to contribute but it does make for
some interesting reading.
Stay Tuned.
Alex

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#8248 From: Ron Hansen <yahoo4@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:59 am
Subject: Re: Alternative building materials 		ronaldhansen...
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I kicked this guy off the Trimagnum group for spewing off topic posts.
This one is at least almost on topic (but not at all relevant).

Laboriously tapped out on an iPhone keypad.

On Nov 29, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Alex Smith <cdninoh@...> wrote:

>
> Who writes this stuff?????????
> Reads like a Chinese instruction manual.
> Geeezzzzz!!
> Alex
>
>
> To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> From: valkyrie@...
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:37:18 -0800
> Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
>
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>      French car company PSA, Peugeot and the Citroen owners had
> recently
>
> planned to making a few parts of the cars that are based on flax and
>
> hemp.They plan to make the cars using 100 percent of natural materials
>
> in 2015. Read more at http://autoblitz.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> DAN
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>  From: Harold Wood
>
>  To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:27 AM
>
>  Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
>
>
>
> Carl
>
>  thanks!  What adhesive would you recommend?  my application will be
> a highly modified vortex.
>
>
>
>  thanks
>
>
>
>  woody
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/17/09, carl dickinson <ballastmn@...> wrote:
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> From: carl dickinson <ballastmn@...>
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>  Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
>
>  To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
>  Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 8:21 PM
>
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>               In response to your to your alternative building
> materials, I used coosa. This is an a great material that boat
> builders use! Absolutely no rot. Here, check-out their website
>
>  www.coosacomposites .com . Use bluewater 26# , it comes in a large
> variety of thicknesses
>
>
>
> Carl R. Dickinson Jr.
>
>  "You will never know unless you try "
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com>
>
>  Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
>
>  To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
>
>  Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:43 PM
>
>
>
> im still researching
>
>  thanks
>
>
>
>  Woody
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Alex Smith <cdninoh@hotmail. com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Alex Smith <cdninoh@hotmail. com>
>
>  Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
>
>  To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
>
>  Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:35 PM
>
>
>
> I can't comment on whether or not you are in the minority but I for
> one would MUCH rather be in that plywood box as opposed to a foam
> one. Wood is natures composite. Not subject to fatigue or corrosion
> (properly protected) it is naturally absorbent of shock and
> vibration, is lighter and stronger than many similar structures.
> They still build roller coasters out of wood, as do they build
> unlimited hydroplanes. Can you imagine a vehicle more subject to a
> pounding than that? Many homemade aircraft are made entirely of wood
> and the past is full of wooden framed cars (which is what really
> piqued my interest in teh Vortex).
>
>  Foam has no strength of it's own and would require quite a
> different laminating procedure to equal the strength of the chassis
> as designed. In that procedure,  the fiberglass would become the
> strength member. This is certainly a common form of building. Many
> one off aircraft use foam to shape things and then fiberglass and
> epoxy resin create the strength but that is an expensive process
> requiring special reinforcements at corners and fixing points for
> bolt-ons.
>
>  The beauty of the Vortex is that you really can do whatever you'd
> like but this chassis is proven and the task of building a car from
> scratch is already filled with decisions and compromises. I fear
> that you may never get off of square one if you expend all your
> energies (and money) just trying to build the chassis.
>
>  Having said that, this is a learning experience. Do your research
> and then make your decision. If that decision is to re-engineer the
> chassis (as opposed to the simple modifications that some have
> already done and others currently contemplate) , have at it and good
> luck. You'll have our support.
>
>  Stay Tuned.
>
>  Alex
>
>
>
> To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
>
>  From: hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com
>
>  Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:34:28 +0000
>
>  Subject: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
>
>
>
> I guess im in the minority but i really dont want to be in a
> collision in a fiberglass wrapped plywood box.  i was wondering if
> anyone had any experience working with the high density foam sheets
> and then laminating those?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Woody
>
>
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#8247 From: Alex Smith <cdninoh@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:32 pm
Subject: RE: Alternative building materials 		cdninoh
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Who writes this stuff?????????
Reads like a Chinese instruction manual.
Geeezzzzz!!
Alex


To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
From: valkyrie@...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:37:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials




























       French car company PSA, Peugeot and the Citroen owners had recently

planned to making a few parts of the cars that are based on flax and

hemp.They plan to make the cars using 100 percent of natural materials

in 2015. Read more at http://autoblitz.blogspot.com/



DAN



----- Original Message -----

   From: Harold Wood

   To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:27 AM

   Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials



Carl

   thanks!  What adhesive would you recommend?  my application will be a highly
modified vortex.



   thanks



   woody



--- On Tue, 11/17/09, carl dickinson <ballastmn@...> wrote:



From: carl dickinson <ballastmn@...>

   Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials

   To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com

   Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 8:21 PM



Hi Guys,

                In response to your to your alternative building materials, I
used coosa. This is an a great material that boat builders use! Absolutely no
rot. Here, check-out their website

   www.coosacomposites .com . Use bluewater 26# , it comes in a large variety of
thicknesses



Carl R. Dickinson Jr.

   "You will never know unless you try "



--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com>

   Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials

   To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com

   Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:43 PM



im still researching

   thanks



   Woody



--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Alex Smith <cdninoh@hotmail. com> wrote:



From: Alex Smith <cdninoh@hotmail. com>

   Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials

   To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com

   Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:35 PM



I can't comment on whether or not you are in the minority but I for one would
MUCH rather be in that plywood box as opposed to a foam one. Wood is natures
composite. Not subject to fatigue or corrosion (properly protected) it is
naturally absorbent of shock and vibration, is lighter and stronger than many
similar structures. They still build roller coasters out of wood, as do they
build unlimited hydroplanes. Can you imagine a vehicle more subject to a
pounding than that? Many homemade aircraft are made entirely of wood and the
past is full of wooden framed cars (which is what really piqued my interest in
teh Vortex).

   Foam has no strength of it's own and would require quite a different
laminating procedure to equal the strength of the chassis as designed. In that
procedure,  the fiberglass would become the strength member. This is certainly a
common form of building. Many one off aircraft use foam to shape things and then
fiberglass and epoxy resin create the strength but that is an expensive process
requiring special reinforcements at corners and fixing points for bolt-ons.

   The beauty of the Vortex is that you really can do whatever you'd like but
this chassis is proven and the task of building a car from scratch is already
filled with decisions and compromises. I fear that you may never get off of
square one if you expend all your energies (and money) just trying to build the
chassis.

   Having said that, this is a learning experience. Do your research and then
make your decision. If that decision is to re-engineer the chassis (as opposed
to the simple modifications that some have already done and others currently
contemplate) , have at it and good luck. You'll have our support.

   Stay Tuned.

   Alex



To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com

   From: hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com

   Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:34:28 +0000

   Subject: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials



I guess im in the minority but i really dont want to be in a collision in a
fiberglass wrapped plywood box.  i was wondering if anyone had any experience
working with the high density foam sheets and then laminating those?



Thanks



Woody



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#8246 From: "Valkyrie" <valkyrie@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:37 am
Subject: Re: Alternative building materials 		lowflyer2222
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French car company PSA, Peugeot and the Citroen owners had recently
planned to making a few parts of the cars that are based on flax and
hemp.They plan to make the cars using 100 percent of natural materials
in 2015. Read more at http://autoblitz.blogspot.com/

DAN

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Harold Wood
   To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:27 AM
   Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials



   Carl
   thanks!  What adhesive would you recommend?  my application will be a highly
modified vortex.

   thanks

   woody

   --- On Tue, 11/17/09, carl dickinson <ballastmn@...> wrote:

   From: carl dickinson <ballastmn@...>
   Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
   To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 8:21 PM



   Hi Guys,
                In response to your to your alternative building materials, I
used coosa. This is an a great material that boat builders use! Absolutely no
rot. Here, check-out their website
   www.coosacomposites .com . Use bluewater 26# , it comes in a large variety of
thicknesses

   Carl R. Dickinson Jr.
   "You will never know unless you try "

   --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

   From: Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com>
   Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
   To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
   Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:43 PM



   im still researching
   thanks

   Woody

   --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Alex Smith <cdninoh@hotmail. com> wrote:

   From: Alex Smith <cdninoh@hotmail. com>
   Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
   To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
   Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:35 PM

   I can't comment on whether or not you are in the minority but I for one would
MUCH rather be in that plywood box as opposed to a foam one. Wood is natures
composite. Not subject to fatigue or corrosion (properly protected) it is
naturally absorbent of shock and vibration, is lighter and stronger than many
similar structures. They still build roller coasters out of wood, as do they
build unlimited hydroplanes. Can you imagine a vehicle more subject to a
pounding than that? Many homemade aircraft are made entirely of wood and the
past is full of wooden framed cars (which is what really piqued my interest in
teh Vortex).
   Foam has no strength of it's own and would require quite a different
laminating procedure to equal the strength of the chassis as designed. In that
procedure,  the fiberglass would become the strength member. This is certainly a
common form of building. Many one off aircraft use foam to shape things and then
fiberglass and epoxy resin create the strength but that is an expensive process
requiring special reinforcements at corners and fixing points for bolt-ons.
   The beauty of the Vortex is that you really can do whatever you'd like but
this chassis is proven and the task of building a car from scratch is already
filled with decisions and compromises. I fear that you may never get off of
square one if you expend all your energies (and money) just trying to build the
chassis.
   Having said that, this is a learning experience. Do your research and then
make your decision. If that decision is to re-engineer the chassis (as opposed
to the simple modifications that some have already done and others currently
contemplate) , have at it and good luck. You'll have our support.
   Stay Tuned.
   Alex

   To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
   From: hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com
   Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:34:28 +0000
   Subject: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials






         I guess im in the minority but i really dont want to be in a collision
in a fiberglass wrapped plywood box.  i was wondering if anyone had any
experience working with the high density foam sheets and then laminating those?

   Thanks

   Woody








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#8245 From: "stankoprowski" <stankoprowski@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:41 pm
Subject: 3 wheeler handling 		stankoprowski
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There's a thread on 3 wheeler handling on the "3WheelerReplicas" group.
<http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/3WheelerReplicas/?yguid=324350294>

Although they're basically a 3 wheel Morgan group the information should apply.

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#8244 From: Michael Hurley <mephit@...>
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Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Fwd: FW: 1959 Car vs. A New 2009 Vehicle in a Collision 		mephit_stoph...
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>> thought this would interest designer builders
>>  John
> I suppose this was supposed to be the link to the video:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g
> Bas


Thanks for that. Interesting.
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#8243 From: "basfromasd" <basfromasd@...>
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Subject: Re: Fw: Fwd: FW: 1959 Car vs. A New 2009 Vehicle in a Collision 		basfromasd
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I suppose this was supposed to be the link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g
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#8242 From: john wilson <uruguaybound@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:32 am
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Sorry if the link didn't come through the first time

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#8241 From: Mark Santora <santomarkos@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:57 am
Subject: Re: Fw: Fwd: FW: 1959 Car vs. A New 2009 Vehicle in a Collision 		santomarkos
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No link to the video?




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thought this would interest designer builders
 John

Interesting 
 

 
 
 
 
 

1959 Car vs. A New 2009 Vehicle in a Collision
 

Interesting video to watch. You know how we always think about what big huge
tanks the old cars of the
50's and 60's were for size? And how we talk about how there is so much plastic
on the new cars that if one of the old tanks ever collided with a new car, the
new car would be demolished?. ...
 
Well, someone;  in the insurance industry,  put that theory to the test and
let me tell you something, after watching this  video, you may just change your
mind.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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#8240 From: john wilson <uruguaybound@...>
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thought this would interest designer builders
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Interesting 
 

 
 
 
 
 


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Interesting video to watch. You know how we always think about what big huge
tanks the old cars of the
50's and 60's were for size? And how we talk about how there is so much plastic
on the new cars that if one of the old tanks ever collided with a new car, the
new car would be demolished?....
 
Well, someone;  in the insurance industry,  put that theory to the test and let
me tell you something, after watching this  video, you may just change your
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#8239 From: "stankoprowski" <stankoprowski@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:20 pm
Subject: Free CAD, CFD, FEA etc. 		stankoprowski
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Free CAD, CFD, FEA etc.

From time to time people look for low cost CAD applications. Well I've found a
site listing free CAD and other engineering applications.
<http://www.freebyte.com/cad/cad.htm#2D3DCADSystems>

Try it you may find something useful. You can't beat the price.

Stan

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#8238 From: Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:13 am
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they are sending me samples of the 1/2 inch, 3/4 inch and the 2 inch thick stuff
so i can see what i can and cant do with it.  im looking forward to it.
 
Woody

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From: carl dickinson <ballastmn@...>
Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 9:32 PM


 



Hi Robert,.
 
               In order to answer your questions I will do them in
the order that you wrote them.
1. Yes, Coosa is stronger than plywood.
2. Absolutly yes, build the body completely from Coosa.
3. NO!, I would not, it comes sanded one side.
4. You can work it with a table saw, band saw, and a jig saw. (fine tooth
blades)
     and yes, it sands just fine.
5. I  just used #6 SS. sheet metal screws to bring down the joint to contact
the Sikaflex 
    joint.
6. Yes, you can do either!  
7. It forms just as easy .
8. It costs 2-1/2 times as much, but when you figure all the resin and glass you
would
    buy and the time to do it. The cost spirals, and if you can't draw a
vacuum on plywood
    and glass then figure the rot-time at about 5 years. COOSA WON'T ROT
!!!!!!!!
 
Carl. R. Dickinson Jr.
"You will never know unless you try "

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From: Robert Voigt <voigtra@yahoo. com>
Subject: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 6:10 PM

 

I'm interested in the comments about using Coosa as an aternernative to
plywood. 
 
Although I looked at the CoosaComposites website, it's difficult to tell from
the pictures how the product would perform or how you would work with it.  From
the pictures you just can't tell if it would behave similar to foamboard to
trying to work with Durarock.  Hopefully someone can help me better understand
how you would use Coosa, some of the basic questions I have include:
 
Is Coosa structurally as strong as the corresponding thickness of plywood? 
Is the suggestion to build the entire chasis with Coosa?  or just the body
(skin)?
Would you still put a layer of fiberglass over Coosa?
When you work with the product, does it cut just like wood (table saw) and can
it be sanded down to smooth joints? 
Will Coosa hold screws or nails similar to wood?
With the meshing inside, can you bevel edges or angle cut?
Is it flexible similar to plywood (thin plywood can be bent to a curved shape,
within limits)?When you join the wood sections to the Coosa (such as the
drivers compartment "roof" framing) how would you join the wood and Coosa? 
Any idea how cost of Coosa would compare to plywood?  
 
Thanks for passing along the info.
 
Rob V.

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#8237 From: carl dickinson <ballastmn@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:32 am
Subject: Re: Alternative building materials 		ballastmn
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Hi Robert,.
 
               In order to answer your questions I will do them in
the order that you wrote them.
1. Yes, Coosa is stronger than plywood.
2. Absolutly yes, build the body completely from Coosa.
3. NO!, I would not, it comes sanded one side.
4. You can work it with a table saw, band saw, and a jig saw. (fine tooth
blades)
     and yes, it sands just fine.
5. I  just used #6 SS. sheet metal screws to bring down the joint to contact
the Sikaflex 
    joint.
6. Yes, you can do either!  
7. It forms just as easy .
8. It costs 2-1/2 times as much, but when you figure all the resin and glass you
would
    buy and the time to do it. The cost spirals, and if you can't draw a
vacuum on plywood
    and glass then figure the rot-time at about 5 years. COOSA WON'T ROT
!!!!!!!!
 
Carl. R. Dickinson Jr.
"You will never know unless you try "

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From: Robert Voigt <voigtra@...>
Subject: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 6:10 PM


 



I'm interested in the comments about using Coosa as an aternernative to
plywood. 
 
Although I looked at the CoosaComposites website, it's difficult to tell from
the pictures how the product would perform or how you would work with it.  From
the pictures you just can't tell if it would behave similar to foamboard to
trying to work with Durarock.  Hopefully someone can help me better understand
how you would use Coosa, some of the basic questions I have include:
 
Is Coosa structurally as strong as the corresponding thickness of plywood? 
Is the suggestion to build the entire chasis with Coosa?  or just the body
(skin)?
Would you still put a layer of fiberglass over Coosa?
When you work with the product, does it cut just like wood (table saw) and can
it be sanded down to smooth joints? 
Will Coosa hold screws or nails similar to wood?
With the meshing inside, can you bevel edges or angle cut?
Is it flexible similar to plywood (thin plywood can be bent to a curved shape,
within limits)?When you join the wood sections to the Coosa (such as the
drivers compartment "roof" framing) how would you join the wood and Coosa? 
Any idea how cost of Coosa would compare to plywood?  
 
Thanks for passing along the info.
 
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#8236 From: Phillip Coyle <philc456@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:30 am
Subject: Re: Alternative building materials 		philc456
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I have been watching the talk on this stuff and I am getting interested in it. I
went to their web site and found most of what I wanted except the cost. So many
of your questions are the same as mine. I would like to find anyone that has
ever used this stuff even in building a boat.
Phil




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To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 5:10:18 PM
Subject: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials

 
I'm interested in the comments about using Coosa as an aternernative to
plywood. 
 
Although I looked at the CoosaComposites website, it's difficult to tell from
the pictures how the product would perform or how you would work with it.  From
the pictures you just can't tell if it would behave similar to foamboard to
trying to work with Durarock.  Hopefully someone can help me better understand
how you would use Coosa, some of the basic questions I have include:
 
Is Coosa structurally as strong as the corresponding thickness of plywood? 
Is the suggestion to build the entire chasis with Coosa?  or just the body
(skin)?
Would you still put a layer of fiberglass over Coosa?
When you work with the product, does it cut just like wood (table saw) and can
it be sanded down to smooth joints? 
Will Coosa hold screws or nails similar to wood?
With the meshing inside, can you bevel edges or angle cut?
Is it flexible similar to plywood (thin plywood can be bent to a curved shape,
within limits)?When you join the wood sections to the Coosa (such as the
drivers compartment "roof" framing) how would you join the wood and Coosa? 
Any idea how cost of Coosa would compare to plywood?  
 
Thanks for passing along the info.
 
Rob V.

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#8235 From: Robert Voigt <voigtra@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:10 pm
Subject: Alternative building materials 		voigtra
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I'm interested in the comments about using Coosa as an aternernative to
plywood. 
 
Although I looked at the CoosaComposites website, it's difficult to tell from
the pictures how the product would perform or how you would work with it.  From
the pictures you just can't tell if it would behave similar to foamboard to
trying to work with Durarock.  Hopefully someone can help me better understand
how you would use Coosa, some of the basic questions I have include:
 
Is Coosa structurally as strong as the corresponding thickness of plywood? 
Is the suggestion to build the entire chasis with Coosa?  or just the body
(skin)?
Would you still put a layer of fiberglass over Coosa?
When you work with the product, does it cut just like wood (table saw) and can
it be sanded down to smooth joints? 
Will Coosa hold screws or nails similar to wood?
With the meshing inside, can you bevel edges or angle cut?
Is it flexible similar to plywood (thin plywood can be bent to a curved shape,
within limits)?When you join the wood sections to the Coosa (such as the drivers
compartment "roof" framing) how would you join the wood and Coosa? 
Any idea how cost of Coosa would compare to plywood?  
 
Thanks for passing along the info.
 
Rob V.




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#8234 From: Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:54 am
Subject: RE: Alternative building materials 		hwoody2wood
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cool!
 
Thanks!
 
Woody

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Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 8:24 PM


 



Woody,
            Go to www.sikacorp, com  you will find phone numbers and
a lot of info on their products. Their adhesives are great. Talk to someone on
the phone and tell them you are using "Coosa" for the body".  Don't forget the
boat-builders use this for structural components instead of screws and nails.

Carl R. Dickinson Jr.
"You will never know unless you try "

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From: Harold Wood & Meyuni Gani <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:58 PM

 

Thanks! Im just leery of picking splinters after a wreck using plywood, also the
rot and water absorbation are problems here in sunny seattle.

Thanks

Woody

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From: carl dickinson <ballastmn@yahoo. com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:21 PM
To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials

Hi Guys,
             In response to your to your alternative building
materials, I used coosa. This is an a great material that boat builders use!
Absolutely no rot. Here, check-out their website
www.coosacomposites .com . Use bluewater 26# , it comes in a large variety of
thicknesses

Carl R. Dickinson Jr.
"You will never know unless you try "

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:43 PM

 

im still researching
thanks
 
Woody

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From: Alex Smith <cdninoh@hotmail. com>
Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:35 PM

I can't comment on whether or not you are in the minority but I for one would
MUCH rather be in that plywood box as opposed to a foam one. Wood is natures
composite. Not subject to fatigue or corrosion (properly protected) it is
naturally absorbent of shock and vibration, is lighter and stronger than many
similar structures. They still build roller coasters out of wood, as do they
build unlimited hydroplanes. Can you imagine a vehicle more subject to a
pounding than that? Many homemade aircraft are made entirely of wood and the
past is full of wooden framed cars (which is what really piqued my interest in
teh Vortex).
Foam has no strength of it's own and would require quite a different laminating
procedure to equal the strength of the chassis as designed. In that procedure, 
the fiberglass would become the strength member. This is certainly a common form
of building. Many one off aircraft use foam to shape things and then fiberglass
and epoxy resin create the strength but that is an expensive process requiring
special reinforcements at corners and fixing points for bolt-ons.
The beauty of the Vortex is that you really can do whatever you'd like but this
chassis is proven and the task of building a car from scratch is already filled
with decisions and compromises. I fear that you may never get off of square one
if you expend all your energies (and money) just trying to build the chassis.
Having said that, this is a learning experience. Do your research and then make
your decision. If that decision is to re-engineer the chassis (as opposed to the
simple modifications that some have already done and others currently
contemplate) , have at it and good luck. You'll have our support.
Stay Tuned.
Alex

To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
From: hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:34:28 +0000
Subject: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials

 

   
     
     
      I guess im in the minority but i really dont want to be in a collision
in a fiberglass wrapped plywood box.  i was wondering if anyone had any
experience working with the high density foam sheets and then laminating those?

Thanks

Woody

   
     

   
   

                            
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#8233 From: carl dickinson <ballastmn@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:24 am
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Woody,
            Go to www.sikacorp,com  you will find phone numbers and
a lot of info on their products. Their adhesives are great. Talk to someone on
the phone and tell them you are using "Coosa" for the body".  Don't forget the
boat-builders use this for structural components instead of screws and nails.


Carl R. Dickinson Jr.
"You will never know unless you try "

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From: Harold Wood & Meyuni Gani <hwoody2wood@...>
Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:58 PM


 



Thanks! Im just leery of picking splinters after a wreck using plywood, also the
rot and water absorbation are problems here in sunny seattle.

Thanks

Woody

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From: carl dickinson <ballastmn@yahoo. com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:21 PM
To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials

Hi Guys,
             In response to your to your alternative building
materials, I used coosa. This is an a great material that boat builders use!
Absolutely no rot. Here, check-out their website
www.coosacomposites .com . Use bluewater 26# , it comes in a large variety of
thicknesses

Carl R. Dickinson Jr.
"You will never know unless you try "

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:43 PM

 

im still researching
thanks
 
Woody

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Alex Smith <cdninoh@hotmail. com> wrote:

From: Alex Smith <cdninoh@hotmail. com>
Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:35 PM

I can't comment on whether or not you are in the minority but I for one would
MUCH rather be in that plywood box as opposed to a foam one. Wood is natures
composite. Not subject to fatigue or corrosion (properly protected) it is
naturally absorbent of shock and vibration, is lighter and stronger than many
similar structures. They still build roller coasters out of wood, as do they
build unlimited hydroplanes. Can you imagine a vehicle more subject to a
pounding than that? Many homemade aircraft are made entirely of wood and the
past is full of wooden framed cars (which is what really piqued my interest in
teh Vortex).
Foam has no strength of it's own and would require quite a different laminating
procedure to equal the strength of the chassis as designed. In that procedure, 
the fiberglass would become the strength member. This is certainly a common form
of building. Many one off aircraft use foam to shape things and then fiberglass
and epoxy resin create the strength but that is an expensive process requiring
special reinforcements at corners and fixing points for bolt-ons.
The beauty of the Vortex is that you really can do whatever you'd like but this
chassis is proven and the task of building a car from scratch is already filled
with decisions and compromises. I fear that you may never get off of square one
if you expend all your energies (and money) just trying to build the chassis.
Having said that, this is a learning experience. Do your research and then make
your decision. If that decision is to re-engineer the chassis (as opposed to the
simple modifications that some have already done and others currently
contemplate) , have at it and good luck. You'll have our support.
Stay Tuned.
Alex

To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
From: hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:34:28 +0000
Subject: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials

 

   
     
     
      I guess im in the minority but i really dont want to be in a collision
in a fiberglass wrapped plywood box.  i was wondering if anyone had any
experience working with the high density foam sheets and then laminating those?

Thanks

Woody

   
     

   
   

                            
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#8232 From: "Tonico" <tonico2@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:23 am
Subject: Re: Re: hiya 		tonico_69
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A couple of suggestions that may be of help. The Marcos 1800 GT had a plywood
monocoque between 1964 and 1969. You may touch base with one of the Locost
groups on general requirements of the SVA. This time of the year with the
weather being what it is (except California :-) ) you may look into attending
Motorcycle events which usually attract three wheelers and see if you can find
people who have gone through the process and get some pointers.
Do not give up considering you are in a country where three wheelers are far
more popular than here.
Maybe Grinall has some pointers that he is willing to share, his customers that
build from his kit have to go through the process.

Tony (another Tony)

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   To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:37 AM
   Subject: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya



   puts a bit of a dampner on the project if the sva don't know what to do.
   i can see building a kit and being told it's scrap by the sva boys..

   --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com, Dave <dasilvor@...> wrote:
   >
   > Hi John,
   >
   > Do you know if there were any issues with having a wooden monocoque
   > construction for the vortex, please. Thats the one thing that has
   > stopped me proceeding with it so far. BTW VOSA etc as no help at all on
   > this. Their reply was basically build it and see what the inspectors say.
   >
   > Tony I like the idea of the centre seat, but I'm not sure about the
   > extra weight away from the front axle will affect stability. All the
   > info i have found indicates that the majority of the weight should be
   > over the front axle..
   >
   > Cheers
   > Dave
   >
   >
   >
   > John wrote:
   > > Hi Dave,
   > > Welcome, I believe my vortex is currently the only one in the UK, Would
love to see another one on UK roads. I'm in The North West near Blackpool, will
happily give you any help or advice if I can.
   > >
   > > Love the idea of a three seater. Good luck with the project.
   > >
   > > My vortex is under "John's Vortex" in the photos section.
   > >
   > > Regards
   > > John
   > >
   > > --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com, Dave <dasilvor@> wrote:
   > >
   > >> Hi Tony,
   > >> you are asking the same question I asked about 6 months ago.
   > >>
   > >> I agree it is a nice looking trike, but there only seems to be one of
   > >> them built in the uk. I'm not on my correct computer, so I can't point
   > >> you at the pictures of it. I think the pictures are under the name John,
   > >> and there is also a video of it as well.
   > >>
   > >> Dave
   > >>
   > >>> new boy here (yeah riight).
   > >>> been looking into designing my own 3 wheeler, but after seeing the
pictures of the vortex i decided that its just what i want.
   > >>>
   > >>> anyone in the uk built one before.
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>> ------------------------------------
   > >>>
   > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > ------------------------------------
   > >
   > > Yahoo! Groups Links
   > >
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#8231 From: Phillip Coyle <philc456@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Re: hiya 		philc456
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Here In Texas I drove mine over to get the insurance and then over to the insp
shop and on up to the DMV to get my plates. Nice and easy, plus I had lots of
fun when anyone saw it. Many still ask if it is legal to be on the rode. I just
show them the plates and the insurance is only 100.00 a year. No one would put
full coverage on it since there is nothing else to compare it to.
Phil




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From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@...>
To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 10:38:41 AM
Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya

Ben,

I certainly didn't think that I was being insulting, more of a tongue in
cheek - if you took it so then I apologize.

Every state has a different process, here inWV there is no such thing as
a temp. operating permit, and you have to go through the entire process
before the vehicle is legal to be driven on the road.

Dan Lenox

benjamin coombs wrote:
>
> I was just giving an example of what is required in California. No
> reason to be INSULTING! Have a nice day.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Lenox<mailto:dlenox@... <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
>
> Ben,
>
> Gee I did not know you could drive a vehicle on public roads without a
> vin/title/license/insurance!!!
>
> It may be best to trailer or tow it to stay on the right side of the
> laws...
>
> In either case Tony is located in the UK, they have a different process
> there. It is best to know this up front so that any design/construction
> adjustments can be done to include any restrictions and make the process
> go smoothly.
>
> Dan Lenox
>
> benjamin coombs wrote:
> >
> > Everything you need to know is in your states vehicle code. Here in
> > California it goes like this: Once the vehicle is finished and road
> > ready you start with a temporary operating permit. Drive it to a
> > headlight and brakelight inspection station and get a certificate. Go
> > to the California Highway Patrol and they will inspect it for safety
> > and equipment, then issue and install a VIN number to the frame. Drive
> > the vehicle w/paperwork, receipts and certificates to DMV. They will
> > inspect the VIN number, add up all the reciepts, tax the hell out of
> > you and issue plates and registration.
> >
> > The California vehicle code definition of motorcycle is:A) weight less
> > than 1500 lb., B) no more than 3 wheels in contact with the ground, C)
> > must have at least one headlight that is on when the engine is
> > running, D) must have operating brake light and turn signals. There is
> > even a statute that reads if the vehicle is enclosed, no helmet is
> > required, (this is federal law).
> >
> > Seems to me we are looking for reasons NOT to build a vortex. Check
> > out your local vehicle codes under 'motorcycle'. It should be there.
> >
> > Someday I'll get mine started.
> >
> > Ben C.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daniel Lenox<mailto:dlenox@...
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com><mailto:dlenox@...
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>>
> > To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
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> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>
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> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
> >
> > Phil,
> >
> > yup - my experience was pretty similar here in WV. For the most part
> > they were just more curious about what it was that they were looking at
> > (never seeing anything like it), than working with a check list of items
> > to look at and inspect.
> >
> > Dan Lenox
> >
> > Phillip Coyle wrote:
> > >
> > > I just could hold back but I love it here in Texas in the good old
> > > USA. All that is needed to pass is for it to have a headlight brake
> > > light horn and turn signals. It only took me about an hour to go
> > > through the whole process and have my plates.
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@...
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com><mailto:dlenox@...
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> > <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com><mailto:dlenox@...
>
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y.com
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> > <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>>
> >
>
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> > > To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
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> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>
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> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>>>
> > >
> >
>
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om>>>
> > > Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 8:51:11 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
> > >
> > > Tony,
> > >
> > > This is no small build, and many weeks/months (potentially years) will
> > > be spent on making a Vortex.
> > >
> > > Then due diligence and do the up-front work to ensure that you
> know what
> > > you are up against with inspections and such, then you can make an
> > > informed decision on
> > > a) IF you will proceed
> > > b) what approach to meet specs of inspections/ etc
> > >
> > > Dan Lenox
> > >
> > > Tony wrote:
> > > >
> > > > puts a bit of a dampner on the project if the sva don't know what
> > to do.
> > > > i can see building a kit and being told it's scrap by the sva boys..
> > > >
> > > > --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>
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> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>>>
> > >
> >
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
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om>>>
> > > >
> >
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.c\
om>>>,
>
> > Dave <dasilvor@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know if there were any issues with having a wooden
> monocoque
> > > > > construction for the vortex, please. Thats the one thing that has
> > > > > stopped me proceeding with it so far. BTW VOSA etc as no help at
> > > all on
> > > > > this. Their reply was basically build it and see what the
> inspectors
> > > > say.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony I like the idea of the centre seat, but I'm not sure
> about the
> > > > > extra weight away from the front axle will affect stability.
> All the
> > > > > info i have found indicates that the majority of the weight
> > should be
> > > > > over the front axle..
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > > > Welcome, I believe my vortex is currently the only one in
> the UK,
> > > > Would love to see another one on UK roads. I'm in The North West
> near
> > > > Blackpool, will happily give you any help or advice if I can.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Love the idea of a three seater. Good luck with the project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My vortex is under "John's Vortex" in the photos section.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>
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> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>>>
> > >
> >
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
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om>>>
> > > >
> >
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.c\
om>>>,
>
> > Dave <dasilvor@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Hi Tony,
> > > > > >> you are asking the same question I asked about 6 months ago.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I agree it is a nice looking trike, but there only seems to be
> > > > one of
> > > > > >> them built in the uk. I'm not on my correct computer, so I
> can't
> > > > point
> > > > > >> you at the pictures of it. I think the pictures are under the
> > > > name John,
> > > > > >> and there is also a video of it as well.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Dave
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> new boy here (yeah riight).
> > > > > >>> been looking into designing my own 3 wheeler, but after seeing
> > > > the pictures of the vortex i decided that its just what i want.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> anyone in the uk built one before.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
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> >
>
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#8230 From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: Re: hiya 		dan_lenox
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Ben,

I certainly didn't think that I was being insulting, more of a tongue in
cheek - if you took it so then I apologize.

Every state has a different process, here inWV there is no such thing as
a temp. operating permit, and you have to go through the entire process
before the vehicle is legal to be driven on the road.

Dan Lenox

benjamin coombs wrote:
>
> I was just giving an example of what is required in California. No
> reason to be INSULTING! Have a nice day.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Lenox<mailto:dlenox@... <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
>
> Ben,
>
> Gee I did not know you could drive a vehicle on public roads without a
> vin/title/license/insurance!!!
>
> It may be best to trailer or tow it to stay on the right side of the
> laws...
>
> In either case Tony is located in the UK, they have a different process
> there. It is best to know this up front so that any design/construction
> adjustments can be done to include any restrictions and make the process
> go smoothly.
>
> Dan Lenox
>
> benjamin coombs wrote:
> >
> > Everything you need to know is in your states vehicle code. Here in
> > California it goes like this: Once the vehicle is finished and road
> > ready you start with a temporary operating permit. Drive it to a
> > headlight and brakelight inspection station and get a certificate. Go
> > to the California Highway Patrol and they will inspect it for safety
> > and equipment, then issue and install a VIN number to the frame. Drive
> > the vehicle w/paperwork, receipts and certificates to DMV. They will
> > inspect the VIN number, add up all the reciepts, tax the hell out of
> > you and issue plates and registration.
> >
> > The California vehicle code definition of motorcycle is:A) weight less
> > than 1500 lb., B) no more than 3 wheels in contact with the ground, C)
> > must have at least one headlight that is on when the engine is
> > running, D) must have operating brake light and turn signals. There is
> > even a statute that reads if the vehicle is enclosed, no helmet is
> > required, (this is federal law).
> >
> > Seems to me we are looking for reasons NOT to build a vortex. Check
> > out your local vehicle codes under 'motorcycle'. It should be there.
> >
> > Someday I'll get mine started.
> >
> > Ben C.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daniel Lenox<mailto:dlenox@...
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com><mailto:dlenox@...
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>>
> > To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
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> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>
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> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
> >
> > Phil,
> >
> > yup - my experience was pretty similar here in WV. For the most part
> > they were just more curious about what it was that they were looking at
> > (never seeing anything like it), than working with a check list of items
> > to look at and inspect.
> >
> > Dan Lenox
> >
> > Phillip Coyle wrote:
> > >
> > > I just could hold back but I love it here in Texas in the good old
> > > USA. All that is needed to pass is for it to have a headlight brake
> > > light horn and turn signals. It only took me about an hour to go
> > > through the whole process and have my plates.
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@...
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com><mailto:dlenox@...
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> > <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com><mailto:dlenox@...
>
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y.com
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> > <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>>
> >
>
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m%3Cmailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>>>
> > > To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
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> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>
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> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>>>
> > >
> >
>
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<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.c\
om>>>
> > > Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 8:51:11 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
> > >
> > > Tony,
> > >
> > > This is no small build, and many weeks/months (potentially years) will
> > > be spent on making a Vortex.
> > >
> > > Then due diligence and do the up-front work to ensure that you
> know what
> > > you are up against with inspections and such, then you can make an
> > > informed decision on
> > > a) IF you will proceed
> > > b) what approach to meet specs of inspections/ etc
> > >
> > > Dan Lenox
> > >
> > > Tony wrote:
> > > >
> > > > puts a bit of a dampner on the project if the sva don't know what
> > to do.
> > > > i can see building a kit and being told it's scrap by the sva boys..
> > > >
> > > > --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>
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> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>>>
> > >
> >
>
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om>>>
> > > >
> >
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.c\
om>>>,
>
> > Dave <dasilvor@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know if there were any issues with having a wooden
> monocoque
> > > > > construction for the vortex, please. Thats the one thing that has
> > > > > stopped me proceeding with it so far. BTW VOSA etc as no help at
> > > all on
> > > > > this. Their reply was basically build it and see what the
> inspectors
> > > > say.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony I like the idea of the centre seat, but I'm not sure
> about the
> > > > > extra weight away from the front axle will affect stability.
> All the
> > > > > info i have found indicates that the majority of the weight
> > should be
> > > > > over the front axle..
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > > > Welcome, I believe my vortex is currently the only one in
> the UK,
> > > > Would love to see another one on UK roads. I'm in The North West
> near
> > > > Blackpool, will happily give you any help or advice if I can.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Love the idea of a three seater. Good luck with the project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My vortex is under "John's Vortex" in the photos section.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
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>
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> >
>
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> > >
> >
>
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> > > >
> >
>
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om>>>,
>
> > Dave <dasilvor@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Hi Tony,
> > > > > >> you are asking the same question I asked about 6 months ago.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I agree it is a nice looking trike, but there only seems to be
> > > > one of
> > > > > >> them built in the uk. I'm not on my correct computer, so I
> can't
> > > > point
> > > > > >> you at the pictures of it. I think the pictures are under the
> > > > name John,
> > > > > >> and there is also a video of it as well.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Dave
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> new boy here (yeah riight).
> > > > > >>> been looking into designing my own 3 wheeler, but after seeing
> > > > the pictures of the vortex i decided that its just what i want.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> anyone in the uk built one before.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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#8229 From: Phillip Coyle <philc456@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: Re: hiya 		philc456
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Went about the same here. At first he told me that I had to have a wiper on the
windshild but he was only look at the front and when I told him it was a trike
he had to call in to get an ok to check it over LOL and it still goes on
whereveer I go. I love it and am having a blast. So far I have won 4 trophies
with it at motorcycle runs.
Phil




________________________________
From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@...>
To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 9:29:56 AM
Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya

Phil,

yup - my experience was pretty similar here in WV. For the most part
they were just more curious about what it was that they were looking at
(never seeing anything like it), than working with a check list of items
to look at and inspect.

Dan Lenox

Phillip Coyle wrote:
>
> I just could hold back but I love it here in Texas in the good old
> USA. All that is needed to pass is for it to have a headlight brake
> light horn and turn signals. It only took me about an hour to go
> through the whole process and have my plates.
> Phil
>
> ________________________________
> From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@... <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 8:51:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
>
> Tony,
>
> This is no small build, and many weeks/months (potentially years) will
> be spent on making a Vortex.
>
> Then due diligence and do the up-front work to ensure that you know what
> you are up against with inspections and such, then you can make an
> informed decision on
> a) IF you will proceed
> b) what approach to meet specs of inspections/ etc
>
> Dan Lenox
>
> Tony wrote:
> >
> > puts a bit of a dampner on the project if the sva don't know what to do.
> > i can see building a kit and being told it's scrap by the sva boys..
> >
> > --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>, Dave <dasilvor@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > Do you know if there were any issues with having a wooden monocoque
> > > construction for the vortex, please. Thats the one thing that has
> > > stopped me proceeding with it so far. BTW VOSA etc as no help at
> all on
> > > this. Their reply was basically build it and see what the inspectors
> > say.
> > >
> > > Tony I like the idea of the centre seat, but I'm not sure about the
> > > extra weight away from the front axle will affect stability. All the
> > > info i have found indicates that the majority of the weight should be
> > > over the front axle..
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > Welcome, I believe my vortex is currently the only one in the UK,
> > Would love to see another one on UK roads. I'm in The North West near
> > Blackpool, will happily give you any help or advice if I can.
> > > >
> > > > Love the idea of a three seater. Good luck with the project.
> > > >
> > > > My vortex is under "John's Vortex" in the photos section.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>, Dave <dasilvor@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Tony,
> > > >> you are asking the same question I asked about 6 months ago.
> > > >>
> > > >> I agree it is a nice looking trike, but there only seems to be
> > one of
> > > >> them built in the uk. I'm not on my correct computer, so I can't
> > point
> > > >> you at the pictures of it. I think the pictures are under the
> > name John,
> > > >> and there is also a video of it as well.
> > > >>
> > > >> Dave
> > > >>
> > > >>> new boy here (yeah riight).
> > > >>> been looking into designing my own 3 wheeler, but after seeing
> > the pictures of the vortex i decided that its just what i want.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> anyone in the uk built one before.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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#8228 From: Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:27 pm
Subject: RE: Alternative building materials 		hwoody2wood
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Carl
thanks!  What adhesive would you recommend?  my application will be a highly
modified vortex.
 
thanks
 
woody

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, carl dickinson <ballastmn@...> wrote:


From: carl dickinson <ballastmn@...>
Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 8:21 PM


 



Hi Guys,
             In response to your to your alternative building
materials, I used coosa. This is an a great material that boat builders use!
Absolutely no rot. Here, check-out their website
www.coosacomposites .com . Use bluewater 26# , it comes in a large variety of
thicknesses

Carl R. Dickinson Jr.
"You will never know unless you try "

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Harold Wood <hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:43 PM

 

im still researching
thanks
 
Woody

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Alex Smith <cdninoh@hotmail. com> wrote:

From: Alex Smith <cdninoh@hotmail. com>
Subject: RE: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials
To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:35 PM

I can't comment on whether or not you are in the minority but I for one would
MUCH rather be in that plywood box as opposed to a foam one. Wood is natures
composite. Not subject to fatigue or corrosion (properly protected) it is
naturally absorbent of shock and vibration, is lighter and stronger than many
similar structures. They still build roller coasters out of wood, as do they
build unlimited hydroplanes. Can you imagine a vehicle more subject to a
pounding than that? Many homemade aircraft are made entirely of wood and the
past is full of wooden framed cars (which is what really piqued my interest in
teh Vortex).
Foam has no strength of it's own and would require quite a different laminating
procedure to equal the strength of the chassis as designed. In that procedure, 
the fiberglass would become the strength member. This is certainly a common form
of building. Many one off aircraft use foam to shape things and then fiberglass
and epoxy resin create the strength but that is an expensive process requiring
special reinforcements at corners and fixing points for bolt-ons.
The beauty of the Vortex is that you really can do whatever you'd like but this
chassis is proven and the task of building a car from scratch is already filled
with decisions and compromises. I fear that you may never get off of square one
if you expend all your energies (and money) just trying to build the chassis.
Having said that, this is a learning experience. Do your research and then make
your decision. If that decision is to re-engineer the chassis (as opposed to the
simple modifications that some have already done and others currently
contemplate) , have at it and good luck. You'll have our support.
Stay Tuned.
Alex

To: vortex3wheeler@ yahoogroups. com
From: hwoody2wood@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:34:28 +0000
Subject: [vortex3wheeler] Alternative building materials

 

   
     
     
      I guess im in the minority but i really dont want to be in a collision
in a fiberglass wrapped plywood box.  i was wondering if anyone had any
experience working with the high density foam sheets and then laminating those?

Thanks

Woody

   
     

   
   

                            
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#8227 From: "benjamin coombs" <benjamincoombs@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: Re: hiya 		ben.coombs
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I was just giving an example of what is required in California. No reason to be
INSULTING! Have a nice day.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Daniel Lenox<mailto:dlenox@...>
   To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:16 AM
   Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya


   Ben,

   Gee I did not know you could drive a vehicle on public roads without a
   vin/title/license/insurance!!!

   It may be best to trailer or tow it to stay on the right side of the laws...

   In either case Tony is located in the UK, they have a different process
   there. It is best to know this up front so that any design/construction
   adjustments can be done to include any restrictions and make the process
   go smoothly.

   Dan Lenox

   benjamin coombs wrote:
   >
   > Everything you need to know is in your states vehicle code. Here in
   > California it goes like this: Once the vehicle is finished and road
   > ready you start with a temporary operating permit. Drive it to a
   > headlight and brakelight inspection station and get a certificate. Go
   > to the California Highway Patrol and they will inspect it for safety
   > and equipment, then issue and install a VIN number to the frame. Drive
   > the vehicle w/paperwork, receipts and certificates to DMV. They will
   > inspect the VIN number, add up all the reciepts, tax the hell out of
   > you and issue plates and registration.
   >
   > The California vehicle code definition of motorcycle is:A) weight less
   > than 1500 lb., B) no more than 3 wheels in contact with the ground, C)
   > must have at least one headlight that is on when the engine is
   > running, D) must have operating brake light and turn signals. There is
   > even a statute that reads if the vehicle is enclosed, no helmet is
   > required, (this is federal law).
   >
   > Seems to me we are looking for reasons NOT to build a vortex. Check
   > out your local vehicle codes under 'motorcycle'. It should be there.
   >
   > Someday I'll get mine started.
   >
   > Ben C.
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: Daniel Lenox<mailto:dlenox@...<mailto:dlenox@...>
<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>>
   > To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com>
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<\
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om>
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>>
   > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:29 AM
   > Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
   >
   > Phil,
   >
   > yup - my experience was pretty similar here in WV. For the most part
   > they were just more curious about what it was that they were looking at
   > (never seeing anything like it), than working with a check list of items
   > to look at and inspect.
   >
   > Dan Lenox
   >
   > Phillip Coyle wrote:
   > >
   > > I just could hold back but I love it here in Texas in the good old
   > > USA. All that is needed to pass is for it to have a headlight brake
   > > light horn and turn signals. It only took me about an hour to go
   > > through the whole process and have my plates.
   > > Phil
   > >
   > > ________________________________
   > > From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@...<mailto:dlenox@...>
   >
<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com><mailto:dlenox@...<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com\
%3E%3Cmailto:dlenox@...>
   > <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>>
   >
<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com<mailto:dlenox%40briery.co\
m%3Cmailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>>>
   > > To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com>
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<\
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   >
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<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.c\
om>>>
   > > Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 8:51:11 AM
   > > Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
   > >
   > > Tony,
   > >
   > > This is no small build, and many weeks/months (potentially years) will
   > > be spent on making a Vortex.
   > >
   > > Then due diligence and do the up-front work to ensure that you know what
   > > you are up against with inspections and such, then you can make an
   > > informed decision on
   > > a) IF you will proceed
   > > b) what approach to meet specs of inspections/ etc
   > >
   > > Dan Lenox
   > >
   > > Tony wrote:
   > > >
   > > > puts a bit of a dampner on the project if the sva don't know what
   > to do.
   > > > i can see building a kit and being told it's scrap by the sva boys..
   > > >
   > > > --- In
vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com>
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<\
mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com%3E%3Cmailto:vortex3wheeler@...\
om>
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>>
   > >
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.c\
om>>>
   > > >
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.c\
om>>>,
   > Dave <dasilvor@...> wrote:
   > > > >
   > > > > Hi John,
   > > > >
   > > > > Do you know if there were any issues with having a wooden monocoque
   > > > > construction for the vortex, please. Thats the one thing that has
   > > > > stopped me proceeding with it so far. BTW VOSA etc as no help at
   > > all on
   > > > > this. Their reply was basically build it and see what the inspectors
   > > > say.
   > > > >
   > > > > Tony I like the idea of the centre seat, but I'm not sure about the
   > > > > extra weight away from the front axle will affect stability. All the
   > > > > info i have found indicates that the majority of the weight
   > should be
   > > > > over the front axle..
   > > > >
   > > > > Cheers
   > > > > Dave
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > > John wrote:
   > > > > > Hi Dave,
   > > > > > Welcome, I believe my vortex is currently the only one in the UK,
   > > > Would love to see another one on UK roads. I'm in The North West near
   > > > Blackpool, will happily give you any help or advice if I can.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Love the idea of a three seater. Good luck with the project.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > My vortex is under "John's Vortex" in the photos section.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > Regards
   > > > > > John
   > > > > >
   > > > > > --- In
vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com>
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<\
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om>
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>>
   > >
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
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om>>>
   > > >
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com%3Cmailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.c\
om>>>,
   > Dave <dasilvor@> wrote:
   > > > > >
   > > > > >> Hi Tony,
   > > > > >> you are asking the same question I asked about 6 months ago.
   > > > > >>
   > > > > >> I agree it is a nice looking trike, but there only seems to be
   > > > one of
   > > > > >> them built in the uk. I'm not on my correct computer, so I can't
   > > > point
   > > > > >> you at the pictures of it. I think the pictures are under the
   > > > name John,
   > > > > >> and there is also a video of it as well.
   > > > > >>
   > > > > >> Dave
   > > > > >>
   > > > > >>> new boy here (yeah riight).
   > > > > >>> been looking into designing my own 3 wheeler, but after seeing
   > > > the pictures of the vortex i decided that its just what i want.
   > > > > >>>
   > > > > >>> anyone in the uk built one before.
   > > > > >>>
   > > > > >>>
   > > > > >>>
   > > > > >>> ------------------------------------
   > > > > >>>
   > > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
   > > > > >>>
   > > > > >>>
   > > > > >>>
   > > > > >>>
   > > > > >>>
   > > > > >>>
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > > ------------------------------------
   > > > > >
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   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
   > > > > >
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#8226 From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: Re: hiya 		dan_lenox
Online Now Online Now
Send Email Send Email
  
Ben,

Gee I did not know you could drive a vehicle on public roads without a
vin/title/license/insurance!!!

It may be best to trailer or tow it to stay on the right side of the laws...

In either case Tony is located in the UK, they have a different process
there. It is best to know this up front so that any design/construction
adjustments can be done to include any restrictions and make the process
go smoothly.

Dan Lenox

benjamin coombs wrote:
>
> Everything you need to know is in your states vehicle code. Here in
> California it goes like this: Once the vehicle is finished and road
> ready you start with a temporary operating permit. Drive it to a
> headlight and brakelight inspection station and get a certificate. Go
> to the California Highway Patrol and they will inspect it for safety
> and equipment, then issue and install a VIN number to the frame. Drive
> the vehicle w/paperwork, receipts and certificates to DMV. They will
> inspect the VIN number, add up all the reciepts, tax the hell out of
> you and issue plates and registration.
>
> The California vehicle code definition of motorcycle is:A) weight less
> than 1500 lb., B) no more than 3 wheels in contact with the ground, C)
> must have at least one headlight that is on when the engine is
> running, D) must have operating brake light and turn signals. There is
> even a statute that reads if the vehicle is enclosed, no helmet is
> required, (this is federal law).
>
> Seems to me we are looking for reasons NOT to build a vortex. Check
> out your local vehicle codes under 'motorcycle'. It should be there.
>
> Someday I'll get mine started.
>
> Ben C.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Lenox<mailto:dlenox@... <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
>
> Phil,
>
> yup - my experience was pretty similar here in WV. For the most part
> they were just more curious about what it was that they were looking at
> (never seeing anything like it), than working with a check list of items
> to look at and inspect.
>
> Dan Lenox
>
> Phillip Coyle wrote:
> >
> > I just could hold back but I love it here in Texas in the good old
> > USA. All that is needed to pass is for it to have a headlight brake
> > light horn and turn signals. It only took me about an hour to go
> > through the whole process and have my plates.
> > Phil
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@...
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com><mailto:dlenox@...
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>>
> > To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>
> > Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 8:51:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
> >
> > Tony,
> >
> > This is no small build, and many weeks/months (potentially years) will
> > be spent on making a Vortex.
> >
> > Then due diligence and do the up-front work to ensure that you know what
> > you are up against with inspections and such, then you can make an
> > informed decision on
> > a) IF you will proceed
> > b) what approach to meet specs of inspections/ etc
> >
> > Dan Lenox
> >
> > Tony wrote:
> > >
> > > puts a bit of a dampner on the project if the sva don't know what
> to do.
> > > i can see building a kit and being told it's scrap by the sva boys..
> > >
> > > --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>
> > >
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>,
> Dave <dasilvor@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > Do you know if there were any issues with having a wooden monocoque
> > > > construction for the vortex, please. Thats the one thing that has
> > > > stopped me proceeding with it so far. BTW VOSA etc as no help at
> > all on
> > > > this. Their reply was basically build it and see what the inspectors
> > > say.
> > > >
> > > > Tony I like the idea of the centre seat, but I'm not sure about the
> > > > extra weight away from the front axle will affect stability. All the
> > > > info i have found indicates that the majority of the weight
> should be
> > > > over the front axle..
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John wrote:
> > > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > > Welcome, I believe my vortex is currently the only one in the UK,
> > > Would love to see another one on UK roads. I'm in The North West near
> > > Blackpool, will happily give you any help or advice if I can.
> > > > >
> > > > > Love the idea of a three seater. Good luck with the project.
> > > > >
> > > > > My vortex is under "John's Vortex" in the photos section.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>>
> >
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>
> > >
>
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>,
> Dave <dasilvor@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Tony,
> > > > >> you are asking the same question I asked about 6 months ago.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I agree it is a nice looking trike, but there only seems to be
> > > one of
> > > > >> them built in the uk. I'm not on my correct computer, so I can't
> > > point
> > > > >> you at the pictures of it. I think the pictures are under the
> > > name John,
> > > > >> and there is also a video of it as well.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Dave
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> new boy here (yeah riight).
> > > > >>> been looking into designing my own 3 wheeler, but after seeing
> > > the pictures of the vortex i decided that its just what i want.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> anyone in the uk built one before.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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#8225 From: "benjamin coombs" <benjamincoombs@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: Re: hiya 		ben.coombs
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Everything you need to know is in your states vehicle code. Here in California
it goes like this: Once the vehicle is finished and road ready you start with a
temporary operating permit. Drive it to a headlight and brakelight inspection
station and get a certificate. Go to the California Highway Patrol and they will
inspect it for safety and equipment, then issue and install a VIN number to the
frame. Drive the vehicle w/paperwork, receipts and certificates to DMV. They
will inspect the VIN number, add up all the reciepts, tax the hell out of you
and issue plates and registration.

The California vehicle code definition of motorcycle is:A) weight less than 1500
lb., B) no more than 3 wheels in contact with the ground, C) must have at least
one headlight that is on when the engine is running, D) must have operating
brake light and turn signals. There is even a statute that reads if the vehicle
is enclosed, no helmet is required, (this is federal law).

Seems to me we are looking for reasons NOT to build a vortex. Check out your
local vehicle codes under 'motorcycle'. It should be there.

Someday I'll get mine started.

Ben C.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Daniel Lenox<mailto:dlenox@...>
   To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:29 AM
   Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya


   Phil,

   yup - my experience was pretty similar here in WV. For the most part
   they were just more curious about what it was that they were looking at
   (never seeing anything like it), than working with a check list of items
   to look at and inspect.

   Dan Lenox

   Phillip Coyle wrote:
   >
   > I just could hold back but I love it here in Texas in the good old
   > USA. All that is needed to pass is for it to have a headlight brake
   > light horn and turn signals. It only took me about an hour to go
   > through the whole process and have my plates.
   > Phil
   >
   > ________________________________
   > From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@...<mailto:dlenox@...>
<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com<mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>>
   > To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com>
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>
   > Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 8:51:11 AM
   > Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
   >
   > Tony,
   >
   > This is no small build, and many weeks/months (potentially years) will
   > be spent on making a Vortex.
   >
   > Then due diligence and do the up-front work to ensure that you know what
   > you are up against with inspections and such, then you can make an
   > informed decision on
   > a) IF you will proceed
   > b) what approach to meet specs of inspections/ etc
   >
   > Dan Lenox
   >
   > Tony wrote:
   > >
   > > puts a bit of a dampner on the project if the sva don't know what to do.
   > > i can see building a kit and being told it's scrap by the sva boys..
   > >
   > > --- In
vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com>
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>
   > >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>, Dave <dasilvor@...> wrote:
   > > >
   > > > Hi John,
   > > >
   > > > Do you know if there were any issues with having a wooden monocoque
   > > > construction for the vortex, please. Thats the one thing that has
   > > > stopped me proceeding with it so far. BTW VOSA etc as no help at
   > all on
   > > > this. Their reply was basically build it and see what the inspectors
   > > say.
   > > >
   > > > Tony I like the idea of the centre seat, but I'm not sure about the
   > > > extra weight away from the front axle will affect stability. All the
   > > > info i have found indicates that the majority of the weight should be
   > > > over the front axle..
   > > >
   > > > Cheers
   > > > Dave
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > John wrote:
   > > > > Hi Dave,
   > > > > Welcome, I believe my vortex is currently the only one in the UK,
   > > Would love to see another one on UK roads. I'm in The North West near
   > > Blackpool, will happily give you any help or advice if I can.
   > > > >
   > > > > Love the idea of a three seater. Good luck with the project.
   > > > >
   > > > > My vortex is under "John's Vortex" in the photos section.
   > > > >
   > > > > Regards
   > > > > John
   > > > >
   > > > > --- In
vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com>
   >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>
   > >
<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com\
>>, Dave <dasilvor@> wrote:
   > > > >
   > > > >> Hi Tony,
   > > > >> you are asking the same question I asked about 6 months ago.
   > > > >>
   > > > >> I agree it is a nice looking trike, but there only seems to be
   > > one of
   > > > >> them built in the uk. I'm not on my correct computer, so I can't
   > > point
   > > > >> you at the pictures of it. I think the pictures are under the
   > > name John,
   > > > >> and there is also a video of it as well.
   > > > >>
   > > > >> Dave
   > > > >>
   > > > >>> new boy here (yeah riight).
   > > > >>> been looking into designing my own 3 wheeler, but after seeing
   > > the pictures of the vortex i decided that its just what i want.
   > > > >>>
   > > > >>> anyone in the uk built one before.
   > > > >>>
   > > > >>>
   > > > >>>
   > > > >>> ------------------------------------
   > > > >>>
   > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
   > > > >>>
   > > > >>>
   > > > >>>
   > > > >>>
   > > > >>>
   > > > >>>
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > > ------------------------------------
   > > > >
   > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > >
   > >
   > >
   >
   > ------------------------------------
   >
   > Yahoo! Groups Links
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   >


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#8224 From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: Re: hiya 		dan_lenox
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Phil,

yup - my experience was pretty similar here in WV. For the most part
they were just more curious about what it was that they were looking at
(never seeing anything like it), than working with a check list of items
to look at and inspect.

Dan Lenox

Phillip Coyle wrote:
>
> I just could hold back but I love it here in Texas in the good old
> USA. All that is needed to pass is for it to have a headlight brake
> light horn and turn signals. It only took me about an hour to go
> through the whole process and have my plates.
> Phil
>
> ________________________________
> From: Daniel Lenox <dlenox@... <mailto:dlenox%40briery.com>>
> To: vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 8:51:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [vortex3wheeler] Re: hiya
>
> Tony,
>
> This is no small build, and many weeks/months (potentially years) will
> be spent on making a Vortex.
>
> Then due diligence and do the up-front work to ensure that you know what
> you are up against with inspections and such, then you can make an
> informed decision on
> a) IF you will proceed
> b) what approach to meet specs of inspections/ etc
>
> Dan Lenox
>
> Tony wrote:
> >
> > puts a bit of a dampner on the project if the sva don't know what to do.
> > i can see building a kit and being told it's scrap by the sva boys..
> >
> > --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>, Dave <dasilvor@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > Do you know if there were any issues with having a wooden monocoque
> > > construction for the vortex, please. Thats the one thing that has
> > > stopped me proceeding with it so far. BTW VOSA etc as no help at
> all on
> > > this. Their reply was basically build it and see what the inspectors
> > say.
> > >
> > > Tony I like the idea of the centre seat, but I'm not sure about the
> > > extra weight away from the front axle will affect stability. All the
> > > info i have found indicates that the majority of the weight should be
> > > over the front axle..
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > Welcome, I believe my vortex is currently the only one in the UK,
> > Would love to see another one on UK roads. I'm in The North West near
> > Blackpool, will happily give you any help or advice if I can.
> > > >
> > > > Love the idea of a three seater. Good luck with the project.
> > > >
> > > > My vortex is under "John's Vortex" in the photos section.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > --- In vortex3wheeler@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:vortex3wheeler%40yahoogroups.com>, Dave <dasilvor@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Tony,
> > > >> you are asking the same question I asked about 6 months ago.
> > > >>
> > > >> I agree it is a nice looking trike, but there only seems to be
> > one of
> > > >> them built in the uk. I'm not on my correct computer, so I can't
> > point
> > > >> you at the pictures of it. I think the pictures are under the
> > name John,
> > > >> and there is also a video of it as well.
> > > >>
> > > >> Dave
> > > >>
> > > >>> new boy here (yeah riight).
> > > >>> been looking into designing my own 3 wheeler, but after seeing
> > the pictures of the vortex i decided that its just what i want.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> anyone in the uk built one before.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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#8223 From: Dave <dasilvor@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:12 pm
Subject: Re: Re: hiya 		dasilvor
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Hi Tony,

Well, it did until John put his info on the net. We now have one already
registered in the UK. That has to be a good start.
Ideally, what we really need is a friendly IVA inspector to advise on
what is required.

Dave

> puts a bit of a dampner on the project if the sva don't know what to do.
> i can see building a kit and being told it's scrap by the sva boys..
>
>

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