yeah...but you know...I gotta get one...the big ? is where to run it?

TTFN
PC



-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Clay [mailto:jamie@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:31 PM
To: vidroc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: vidroc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vidroc] Rocket powered vehicles???


Woe, don't be standing behind that when it goes.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXWH60&P=0

We'll have to put a Vidroc camera on one of them...

At 2/1/2001, peter.clay@... wrote:
>check this out...not available yet but pretty cool..
>
>TTFN
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Woe, don't be standing behind that when it goes.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXWH60&P=0

We'll have to put a Vidroc camera on one of them...

At 2/1/2001, peter.clay@... wrote:
>check this out...not available yet but pretty cool..
>
>TTFN
>PC
>

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXWH60&P=7

TTFN
PC



-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Clay [mailto:jamie@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:37 PM
To: vidroc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vidroc] Man I hope this is a joke page...


Read the bottom part about being "Really stupid"

http://www.sonic.net/~rci/rocket/oops.html

-me



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check this out...not available yet but pretty cool..

TTFN
PC



-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Clay [mailto:jamie@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:37 PM
To: vidroc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vidroc] Man I hope this is a joke page...


Read the bottom part about being "Really stupid"

http://www.sonic.net/~rci/rocket/oops.html

-me



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Yeah, it's a joke.  Scroll down all the way to the bottom of the page.

-Tom

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamie Clay [mailto:jamie@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 4:02 PM
> To: vidroc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [vidroc] Man I hope this is a joke page...
>
>
> Read the bottom part about being "Really stupid"
>
> http://www.sonic.net/~rci/rocket/oops.html
>
> -me
>
>
>
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>

Someone else just pointed out to me that I needed to scroll down further to
see it WAS a joke.

At 1/31/2001, you wrote:
>Read the bottom part about being "Really stupid"
>
>http://www.sonic.net/~rci/rocket/oops.html
>
>-me
>
>
>
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Read the bottom part about being "Really stupid"

http://www.sonic.net/~rci/rocket/oops.html

-me

Read the bottom part about being "Really stupid"

http://www.sonic.net/~rci/rocket/oops.html

-me

I added some links on the main page to some other sites with rocket video.
So far, the Vidroc is the only Color one, and by far the lightest.

If any ya'll run across other rocket video footage, send me the links.

j-me

http://www.diac.com/~adept/schools/ALT1Rds.htm

I was talking to the fine folks at Adept Rocketry about one of their
Altimeters when they pointed me to this new product they have. It digitally
records the flight's altitude, vertical Velocity, and vertical Acceleration
- whoa, too cool but it's a little more than I wanted to get into this time
around (about $200 or so including the cable for hooking it up to your system)

So..I got their regular altimeter, for $89.00 for now.

http://www.diac.com/~adept/ALT05.htm

So in the future...when folks say "How high was that flight?" -  you'll be
able to tell by listening to the video. You see this system reports the
altitude by beeping a series of counts.

j-me

At 1/29/2001, you wrote:

>Speaking of chutes, what are you using on that thing?  24"?
>
>-Tom

Nothing that big. A 16" chute for the camera, a 13" chute for the rocket
body and a 10" chute for the first stage.

If I had a HUGE landing area that I would consider a larger cute for the
camera, in order to get more hang time, but because I consider the area we
fly a little small I'm using what I consider the minimum size for the payload.

I really need to get working on an RC recovery system. I would prefer a
parachute system but I may go glider or even para-wing.

j-me

PS: I'm going to model the Vidroc in Max so I can explore camera positions,
you know, use the tools at hand. ;)

> Streamers could be used to reduce the rotation but not replace
> the parachute. The camera weighs in at 4 oz and unless it's a
> HUGE streamer it won't slow down enough.

Speaking of chutes, what are you using on that thing?  24"?

-Tom

Thomas Hudson
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http://asterius.com/solectria/ho/pvs.htm -- Solar Power
http://asterius.com/solectria -- Solectria Owners Website

At 1/29/2001, Marion wrote:
>After watching some your onboard camera footage I noticed that there was a
>lot of spiraling once the chute deployed. I'm not even sure this is
>practical but... I was wondering if using streamers in place of the chute
>would reduce that? Would tbey induce enough drag in a large "D" style
>rocket like that to insure your payload (and rocket) survives?
>
>Just thinking out loud.
>

That's cool. Streamers could be used to reduce the rotation but not replace
the parachute. The camera weighs in at 4 oz and unless it's a HUGE streamer
it won't slow down enough.

I'm fairly convinced that an improved harness attached at multiple points
(at least 2) will reduce the spin factor.

j-me

Ok, I've updated the site but still haven't written up full "reports" on
all the flights.

I've even included the sucky results from flying Vidroc Jr.  I don't think
the Plantronic video system is going to work out, but I've not given up yet.

More to come...

j-me

Can the voucher be transferred to another person?

I'm going to pick up another of the wide-angle cameras, I'll take it if it
can be done.

j-me


At 1/27/2001, you wrote:
>hello all
>
>I have a $20 voucher for x10.com. I have already purchased 3 cameras and
>all the stuff I need so do any of you want it? I am sure I could use it
>but I think the fiancé would rather I didn't <G>
>
>TTFN
>PC
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Hudson [mailto:tomhudson@...]
>Sent: January 26, 2001 1:02 PM
>To: vidroc@yahoogroups.com
>Cc: Michael Spaw
>Subject: RE: [vidroc] just a test
>
>
> > That's part of it. The other part was that it was spinning so much, the
> > DivX compressor couldn't keep up, so it was mostly crap.
>
>Hmm.  Simple refinement #1: two tiny electric motors in nosecone, which
>power on at ejection.  Have them aligned 90 degrees to each other, so that
>they act as small gyros and dampen spin.  I'm thinking of those little
>motors they put in pagers/cell phones to vibrate them.  It might be worth a
>try...
>
>I'm cc'ing Michael Spaw on this, I'm hoping he'll join the group and chime
>in on this.  I know he's familiar with the small motors; he uses them in
>robotics.
>
>-Tom
>
>Thomas Hudson
>http://asterius.com/solectria/ho -- Our Electric Vehicles
>http://asterius.com/solectria/ho/pvs.htm -- Solar Power
>http://asterius.com/solectria -- Solectria Owners Website
>
>
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hello all

I have a $20 voucher for x10.com. I have already purchased 3 cameras and all the
stuff I need so do any of you want it? I am sure I could use it but I think the
fiancé would rather I didn't <G>

TTFN
PC

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hudson [mailto:tomhudson@...]
Sent: January 26, 2001 1:02 PM
To: vidroc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Michael Spaw
Subject: RE: [vidroc] just a test


> That's part of it. The other part was that it was spinning so much, the
> DivX compressor couldn't keep up, so it was mostly crap.

Hmm.  Simple refinement #1: two tiny electric motors in nosecone, which
power on at ejection.  Have them aligned 90 degrees to each other, so that
they act as small gyros and dampen spin.  I'm thinking of those little
motors they put in pagers/cell phones to vibrate them.  It might be worth a
try...

I'm cc'ing Michael Spaw on this, I'm hoping he'll join the group and chime
in on this.  I know he's familiar with the small motors; he uses them in
robotics.

-Tom

Thomas Hudson
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http://asterius.com/solectria/ho/pvs.htm -- Solar Power
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At 1/26/2001, you wrote:
>Simple refinement #1: two tiny electric motors in nosecone, which
>power on at ejection.  Have them aligned 90 degrees to each other, so that
>they act as small gyros and dampen spin.

Interesting idea but I'm pretty confident I can reduce the spin
significantly by splitting the chute cords between 2 eyelets on the top of
the camera/nose cone, just like real sky divers do.

Another thing I want to develop, RC chute control. If I have the cute
suspended by 2 points, and set up a micro servo to pivot them, it may be
enough control to bring the camera back to a more optimum landing target.

A small para-wing might be in order here - or a full on glide recovery system.

Ultimately I would love to be able to launch this from almost anywhere and
bring it back to the launch location. Otherwise, we'll soon get to know
this high school field real well. ;)

We'll see.

j-me

> That's part of it. The other part was that it was spinning so much, the
> DivX compressor couldn't keep up, so it was mostly crap.

Hmm.  Simple refinement #1: two tiny electric motors in nosecone, which
power on at ejection.  Have them aligned 90 degrees to each other, so that
they act as small gyros and dampen spin.  I'm thinking of those little
motors they put in pagers/cell phones to vibrate them.  It might be worth a
try...

I'm cc'ing Michael Spaw on this, I'm hoping he'll join the group and chime
in on this.  I know he's familiar with the small motors; he uses them in
robotics.

-Tom

Thomas Hudson
http://asterius.com/solectria/ho -- Our Electric Vehicles
http://asterius.com/solectria/ho/pvs.htm -- Solar Power
http://asterius.com/solectria -- Solectria Owners Website

>
>And the second launch with staging was very cool.  I'm curious, why did both
>clips end shortly after the chute deployment?  Too much breakup related to
>antenna alignment?

That's part of it. The other part was that it was spinning so much, the
DivX compressor couldn't keep up, so it was mostly crap.

I will be posting the full sequences, but mostly I'll be picking stills
from them.

I expect the next Vidroc version won't not spin or deflect the rocket as much.

I'm really looking forward to other's doing this as well. I hope to post
"full plans" in the coming week.

j-me

> did you see that they (X10) have the wide angle camera on sale
> now!! only $65. I bought one of those as well as the buy one get
> one free deal on the regular camera they had a couple of days
> ago.

Didn't see that, but will probably pick one up!

> Have you seen the new footage yet?

Downloading it as I type!

OHMYGOD!!!  This is freakin' AWESOME!!  The ejection charge sequence is
incredible!

And the second launch with staging was very cool.  I'm curious, why did both
clips end shortly after the chute deployment?  Too much breakup related to
antenna alignment?

You guys rule.  This is so incredibly impressive, I can see a lot of people
doing this.  I can't wait to try it myself.

-Tom

Thomas Hudson
http://asterius.com/solectria/ho -- Our Electric Vehicles
http://asterius.com/solectria/ho/pvs.htm -- Solar Power
http://asterius.com/solectria -- Solectria Owners Website

I'm still working on the "flight reports" but because there were a number
of you who wanted to see something now, I've posted a temp page. I've only
posted DivX movies for now, I'll post some Real Video ones later.

www.dph.com/vidroc/vidroc_1.htm

Anyway, the second and third flights turned out well, and the recovery
system worked as designed. If you liked the first one, you dig these.

More to come...

j-me

I'm not sure if this email group allows attachments...kind of hope it doesn't.

But if it does, the attached image is from Flight #3, it shows a view out
towards the San Francisco Bay. The buildings in the middle right are the
offices where digital phenomena used to be located.

j-me

At 1/25/01, you wrote:
>I did pick up an X-10 camera, I can't wait to see Jamie's ultimate solution
>for setting the whole thing up.

Me too. This last prototype was interesting and I got a lot of useful info
from the 2 flights we did.

I really hope to post some stuff tonight.

j-me

Tom

did you see that they (X10) have the wide angle camera on sale now!! only $65. I
bought one of those as well as the buy one get one free deal on the regular
camera they had a couple of days ago. Have you seen the new footage yet?

TTFN
PC



-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hudson [mailto:tomhudson@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:33 PM
To: vidroc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [vidroc] just a test


Hey, Peter!  Yup, I'm here.

I did pick up an X-10 camera, I can't wait to see Jamie's ultimate solution
for setting the whole thing up.  I guess my next step is to stop at the
local hobby store and pick up a booster rocket, or maybe a couple of kits to
kitbash a multi-stage D booster!

As someone who lusted after the Estes Cineroc back when I was ten, this will
certainly help make up for the disappointment of not having the twenty bucks
for the thing back then...

-Tom

Thomas Hudson
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http://asterius.com/solectria/ho/pvs.htm -- Solar Power
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter.clay@... [mailto:peter.clay@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:59 PM
> To: vidroc@egroups.com
> Subject: [vidroc] just a test
>
>
> just wanted to see that this works.....any one else out there yet?
>
> TTFN
> PC
>
>
>
>
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At 1/25/01, you wrote:
>just wanted to see that this works.....any one else out there yet?

A few folks...

Here's an update, the new dph web servers are in Sausalito now and there
was a severe power outage caused by lightning, so they're off line for now.

I hope to have the new Vidroc stuff up tonight if the servers come back
on-line.

Once it's there and ready for viewing, I'll post a message here.

j-me

Hey, Peter!  Yup, I'm here.

I did pick up an X-10 camera, I can't wait to see Jamie's ultimate solution
for setting the whole thing up.  I guess my next step is to stop at the
local hobby store and pick up a booster rocket, or maybe a couple of kits to
kitbash a multi-stage D booster!

As someone who lusted after the Estes Cineroc back when I was ten, this will
certainly help make up for the disappointment of not having the twenty bucks
for the thing back then...

-Tom

Thomas Hudson
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http://asterius.com/solectria/ho/pvs.htm -- Solar Power
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter.clay@... [mailto:peter.clay@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:59 PM
> To: vidroc@egroups.com
> Subject: [vidroc] just a test
>
>
> just wanted to see that this works.....any one else out there yet?
>
> TTFN
> PC
>
>
>
>
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just wanted to see that this works.....any one else out there yet?

TTFN
PC

Not yet...things are just warming up.

I'm going to post this eGroup on the web site, too.

At 1/24/01, Karl Raade wrote:
>So uh, is there a vidroc_FAQ?
>
>back to lurking,
><k>
>
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So uh, is there a vidroc_FAQ?

back to lurking,
<k>