Dear Gloria, I would like to seek professional opinion from our fellow specialists here concerning a grammar item in a Primary 2 English Language paper in my...
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nomad 2001
freespirit_2001sg@...
Mar 4, 2009 3:44 am
The answer should be (3). Answer 4 would only be correct if the statement is: Please pass those books on that table to your group members. smiles Dorothy ...
A single sentence context for a grammar test should in general be avoided for reasons that we all know (i.e. language makes sense when it is used in context)....
Dear Geruel, I do agree with Dr. Willy. Your grammatical item should have been contextualized by addiding sentential clue(s), background information, or...
Dear Dorothy and All, My opinion is N. 4 i the correct answer. But I think now, the item is a 'bad' item because even supposed 'experts' have different...
Dear Willy, Yes, this is a case of a stem that's not clear enough; hence, this item deserves to be dropped or revised to improve it. Emma ... ...
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Gloria Poedjosoedarmo
gloriapsg@...
Mar 5, 2009 2:25 am
Dear Geruel, Yes, my reaction is the same as yours. If it's "these books" there's no need to say "on the table." Cheers, Gloria ... From: Geruel de...
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Gloria Poedjosoedarmo
gloriapsg@...
Mar 5, 2009 2:28 am
Hi Willy, I agree absolutely. Unvortuately, the PSLE uses single sentences. (Sigh!) Gloria ... From: RENANDYA Willy Ardian (ELL)...
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Gloria Poedjosoedarmo
gloriapsg@...
Mar 5, 2009 2:30 am
I think it's OK, too. Better than (3). Though (3) is possible, it's a bit wierd because if your close enough to refer to them as "these books" (which sort of...
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Gloria Poedjosoedarmo
gloriapsg@...
Mar 5, 2009 2:36 am
Hi Handoyo, In an ideal world, of course, you would be right, but the question is about the PSLE, a horrible test that all kids in Singapore have to take to...
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Gloria Poedjosoedarmo
gloriapsg@...
Mar 5, 2009 2:38 am
I think the whole test should be dropped! (Shhh! Don't tell anyone at MOE that I said that.) Gloria ... From: emma castillo <emmasc86@...> Subject:...
Dear Gloria and All, Many thanks for sharing your thoughts. I am learning from all of you. Yes, PSLE grammar and vocabulary items are mostly one-sentence...
Dear all, Whatever a grammar rule "says", it needs "pragmatic interpretation" (as what has happened in our discussions). Rule per se without contexts will...
Dear all, With respect to our discussion about meaning identification of an isolated sentence, how would you interprete the meaning of this question: "Why did...
Dear Anas and All, I like the idea of pragmatic interpretation. It is very useful in approximating the meaning of an isolated sentence and the most appropriate...
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Gloria Poedjosoedarmo
gloriapsg@...
Mar 6, 2009 1:06 am
Dear Anas and all, Your first question sounds like something a mother (English-speaking) says to her kids a couple of times a day? It means, "You know...
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wuri.soedjatmiko@...
Mar 6, 2009 6:59 am
Dear All, The utterabce "Why did you put it there?" Is not an isolated sentence, it's a part of a discource whether it's an informative question or an...
Dear Wuri and All, I might add that that item may be indicative of how linguistically, sociolinguistically and pragmatically competent a person is in English....
Dear Geruel and all, Well, I think the absence of contexts in a single correct answer of multiple choice grammar items is not compatible with pragmatic...
Dear Anas and All, Which is why I think language testing may adopt a different viewn and not adhering to classical test theory entirely; something more in...
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wuri.soedjatmiko@...
Mar 8, 2009 2:58 pm
Dear Emma and All, I'm wondering whether It Is possible to teach beginner learners sociopragmatic English, as they learn their mother tongue. Given lots of...
Dear Wuri, Emma, and all, Teaching adult beginners and teaching young beginners (kindergarten or elementary) should be done with different approaches. Since...
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Wuri Soedjatmiko
wuri.soedjatmiko@...
Mar 8, 2009 10:18 pm
Dear Anas, Emma and All, I definitely agree with Anas' distinction between young and adult beginners learning English. However, I was just curious whether ESL...
Dear Wuri and all, I guess we have the same experience with our students about using communicative approach yielding fluent speakers yet unaware of their...
Dear Wuri and all., The trend now in ESL teaching is socio-linguistic-pragmatic in approach. You'll see that pervading in many on-line ESL courses today....
Dear Anas and all, I agree; cf. my reply to Wuri. I'm in the state of writing lessons for a textbook series on functional English, and I'm sort of imagining...
Dear Wuri, Anas and all, Seeing to it that English grammar is part and parcel of the communicative approach is significant to bear in mind. That way, English...
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Wuri Soedjatmiko
wuri.soedjatmiko@...
Mar 9, 2009 3:27 am
Dear Emma, Anas and All. Thanks for the precious comments. I would like to know whether the socio-pragmatic approach has been used in English textbooks for...
