JAYA JAGANNATH
Dear Sarat/Manpreet/Shiv,
Please attempt the answer to this.
Rath
----- Original Message -----
From: Gauranga Das <gauranga@...>
To: Sanjay Rath <varahamihira@...>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: YOUR QUESTIONS


JAYA JAGANNATHA!

Daer Sanjay Rath Prabhu,
Namaskar.

> S.RATH:  THE TRANSLATION OR YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS NOT CORRECT. THE LAGNA
IS
> TO BE SEEN FROM THE NAVAMSA PRASNA LAGNA. WHAT IS TO BE SEEN IS A SEPARATE
> ISSUE. THE JANMA LAGNA CAN BE THE 1ST, 5TH, 7TH OR 9TH FROM THE NAVAMSA
> LAGNA OF PRASNA  OR THE SIGN OCCUPIED BY THE LORD OF NAVAMSA LAGNA IN
> NAVAMSA ITSELF.
>     THESE ARE THE SIGNS OF JUPITERS INFLUENCE (1,5,7,9 & PAKA LAGNA).

So how should I decide in a query chart, whether the person's Janma Lagna
would be the 1, 5, 7, or 9. house, or tha Paka Lagna (which would mean the
Navamsa occuppied by the lord of the Navamsa Lagna, if I understood
correctly).

> S.RATH:  IT IS THE WISH OF SRI jAGANNATHA.
> HARE RAMA KRISHNA
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I don'T have Internet access at the time, I have only e-mail. But as soon as
I have one, I will do that. I have subscribed to the mail list.

I have a fwe more questions. I hope that You will answer them.

1. I'm not really familiar with using the vargas. Is it important to use all
of them, or only the Navamsha? If I have to see all, then what should be
seen from which one? (Parasara and Jataka Parijat give different meanings to
the divisional charts).

2. What is the principle for using the divisional charts?

3. What is the real role of the Navamsha chart? I somehow came up with the
understanding that Rasi would show our external and more determined life,
while Navamsha shows our inner potential, and things that could manifest if
we make effort towards that.

4. How should we interpret a Navamsha chart correctly?
For example. I analyze the 5th house in the rasi chakra. Should I look at
the same sing in Navamsa, or the 5th from Navamsha Lagna, or the houses
occupied by the lord and occupants of the 5th natal?
Or maybe see the natural significator of that house as well?
One astrologer told me that in case you have a planet in the 5th for
example, you have to see hoiw far it is from the same sign in the navamsha,
and judge accordingly.

So these are my questions for now.

One astrologer doubted that oyu were as familiar with the other brancehes of
astrology as with Jaimini. He mentioned Parasara-Varahamihira, Bhrigu, Nadi,
and Prasna as well. And others were also interested to know who did you
learn from and how did the knowledge of Jyotisha come down in the sucession
that you are in. What should I answer them? I belive that it's the
arrangement of the Lord that I met you and that You will be able to teach me
nicely. I know of many who think themselves to be very advanced in their
studies, still I don't trust them so much.

I hope that I didn't burden You with my questions.

Your servant, Gauranga das



> Sanjay Rath
> Sri Jagannath Vedic  Center
> 152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091.
> Tel:+91-11-2489531;e-mail: srath@...
> Webpage: http://www2.crosswinds.net/~srath
>
>

JAYA JAGANNATH
Dear Narayana,
     Your calculation of Brahma is correct, but NOT perfect because the logic
is not correct. Why did you reject the Moon in the first case and then
accept it in the second case? The argument given is "its placement is not in
"ODD SIGN" in the first case, but is in ODD sign in the second case. I think
it should be "DRUSYA AND ADRUSYA" or "VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE SIGN"
respectively.
     Rest as per Narasimha. You should remember that all deaths are not as
per Maheswara and Brahma Dasa may not give very accurate results as it shows
the going of the ATMA to SHIVALOKA before its journey further on. Shoola
Dasa which shows the destruction of the body is a better method to use.
BLESSINGS OF SRI JAGANNATHA
Sanjay Rath
----- Original Message -----
From: Narasimha Rao <pvr@...>
To: Narayan Iyer <navagraha@...>
Cc: <vedic-astrology@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 12:31 AM
Subject: [vedic-astrology] Brahma Dasa of Sri Harish Johari


> Dear Narayan,
>
> We haven't had many examples of Brahma dasa calculation on the list. So
> I am forwarding your example to the list, hoping that you won't mind it.
> You calculation of Brahma, Maheswara and mahadasas is perfect, but you
> made a mistake with antardasas.
>
> > I have some doubts  on Brahma Dasa, based on Sri
> > Harish Johari's Chart.
> >
> > AL = A8 = Sg
> > Chara AK is Sun.
> >
> > Lets use Brahma Dasa to throw light on his death.
> >
> > Brahma
> > ______
> >
> > 1. Stronger of 1/7 is 7th. .i.e. Aq.
> > 2. From Aq. 6/8/12 lords are Mo, Me & Sa.
> > 3. None of them are in odd signs from the 7H from Aq.
> >
> > 4. So we take the weaker of 1/7. i.e Le.
> >    6/8/12 lords are Sa, Ju & Mo.
> >    Sa cannot be Brahma.
> >    Between Ju & Mo. Only Mo is in odd house(9) from
> > 7-12H from Le.
> >    Mo is Brahma.
> >
> > Maheshwara
> > __________
> >
> > 8L from Char AK is Mars.
> > Mars is in own sign. So he cannot be Maheshwara.
> > Stronger of 8/12L from Mars i.e Mars/Jup. Since Mars
> > cannot be MAheshwara.
> > Ju is Maheshwara.
> >
> > ALL DATES ARE APPROXIMATE
> > _________________________
> >
> > Brahama Dasas starts from Ar.
> > Seq is Ar, Ta, Ge, Cn ... Pi.
> >
> > Ar : 6H is Me. Me is in Ar. = 0years.
> > Ta : 6H is Ju. Ju is in Vi. = 9 - 1 = 8yrs. 34 - 42
> > Ge : 6H is Ma. Ma is in Ar. = 11 - 1 = 10y. 42 - 52
> > Cn : 6H is Ra. Ra is in Cp. = 7 - 1 = 6y. 52 - 58
> > Le : 6H is Sa. Sa is in Aq. = 7 - 1 = 6y. 58 - 64
> > Vi : 6H is Ma. Ma is in Ar. = 6 - 1 = 5 years. 64 - 69
> > Li : 6H is Ju. Ju is in Vi = 12 - 1 = 11y. 69 - 80
> > Sc : 6H is Ge. Me is in Ar = 8 - 1 = 7y. 80 - 87
> > Sg : 6H is Ta. Ve is in Pi = 4 - 1 + 1 = 4y. 87 - 91.
> >
> > Cp : 6H is Le. Su is in Ar = 10 - 1 + 1 = 10y.  91 -
> > 2001< --- Death.
>
> Correct.
>
> > Cp is Maraka Sthana from AL & A8.
> > But is not aspected by Maheshwara.
> > Cp has Rahu , who is lord of 7H from Lagna, and most
> > importantly
> > its lord of 3rd from AL & A8.
> >
> > AD
> > __
> >
> > Cp lord is Sa. Sa is in Aq.
> > Seq of AD is Aq, Pi...Cp.
> > Each AD is 1year.
> >
> > Aq : 95 - 96
> > Pi : 96 - 97
> > Ar : 97 - 98
> > Ta : 98 - 99
> > Ge : 99 - 2000 <---- Death Here.
>
> You made a silly mistake here. Why does the first AD start in 95? Cp
> dasa runs during 1991-2001. So Aq's AD should run during 91-92. All the
> dates above are wrong by 4 years!
>
> *        *        *
>
> My program doesn't have text output yet and so I am loading a few
> screenshots to the web, as JPEG pictures. If you are interested in the
> dates & times when various sub-periods started, refer to those.
>
> (1) ADs in Cp MD:
>
> http://www.egroups.com/docvault/vedic-astrology/hj/hj_ad.jpg
>
> (Because the lord of Cp is in Aq, 1st, 2nd etc in the picture should be
> understood as Aq, Pi etc.)
>
> (2) PDs in Cp-Sc AD:
>
> http://www.egroups.com/docvault/vedic-astrology/hj/hj_pd.jpg
>
> (Because the lord of Sc is in Ar, 1st, 2nd etc in the picture should be
> understood as Ar, Ta etc.)
>
> (3) SDs in Cp-Sc-Pi PD:
>
> http://www.egroups.com/docvault/vedic-astrology/hj/hj_sd.jpg
>
> (Because the lord of Pi is in Vi, 1st, 2nd etc in the picture should be
> understood as Vi, Li etc.)
>
> (4) PADs in Cp-Sc-Pi-Vi SD:
>
> http://www.egroups.com/docvault/vedic-astrology/hj/hj_pad.jpg
>
> (Because the lord of Vi is in Ar, 1st, 2nd etc in the picture should be
> understood as Ar, Ta etc.)
>
> *        *        *
>
> It can be seen that the prana-antardasa running when Sri Johari passed
> away is Cp-Sc-Pi-Vi-Ar.
>
> You've already explained Cp. It is occupied by 7th lord Rahu and its
> lord is in 7th from lagna. It is a trine from Maheswara.
>
> Other sub-periods are more poignant, making this a classic example. AD
> sign is Sc and it is the 8th from Moon. PD sign is Pi and it is the 8th
> from lagna. SD sign is Vi and it has Maheswara (Jupiter) in natal chart.
> PAD sign Ar has Maheswara Jupiter *in transit*! This is a classic
> example, especially for SD and PAD.
>
> Note: You may recall that I suggested interpreting prana-antardasas
> based on transits! Though I demonstrated it only for Narayana dasa, my
> suggestion holds for ayur-dasas also. For example, when Robert Koch had
> a hiking accident, PAD sign as per shoola dasa had Mars in transit. PAD
> as per "Rudramsa Mandooka dasa" was Cp and Cp was transited in D-11 by
> Ketu, a malefic for physical matters. Cp is an earthy sign and it
> suggets nature. Dasa and sookshma dasa activated 6th lord and 6th in
> Rudramsa and it led to an accident. PAD sign is an earthy sign that
> represents nature and the accident happened while hiking.
>
> May Jupiter's light shine on us,
> Narasimha
>
>
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JAYA JAGANNATH
Dear Raghu,
FOOD FOR FURTHER THOUGHT:
1. What do we really mean by exaltation and debilitation? See my earlier
post about Swakshetra and Moolatrikona.

2. What is good and what is bad? If Maharishi Parasara can give the
Vaishnava directions for worshipping Sri Varaha Avatar for Rahu, then is
Rahu always diabolical or is there another underlying meaning to all this?
When the Jyotish Shastra was put to its ultimate test in the middle ages, it
is Rahu who stood like a champion for VARAHAMIHIRA. Which Roopa of Rahu was
this?

3. Rahu in Sagittarius in the sixth house of Sri Rama's horoscope (which I
had given earlier) represents His prime enemy Ravana. Thus, Rahu in
Sagittarius produced the King of the Rakshasa clan. We know the dictum that
malefics in debility in quadrants produce Rajyoga. Treating the sixth
Sagittarius as the Lagna of enemy(Ravana), we can infer that Rahu should be
in a "SORT OF DEBILITY IN SAGITTARIUS THAT PRODUCES RAJYOGA OR MATERIAL
GAIN". What is more, that KING OF THE RAKSHASA GOT MOKSHA. Where are we??

4. In that case, what exactly did Parasara imply by debility of Rahu in
Scorpio, the house of the Dead and the dying and the source of the roots of
all religions? What is Pitri-Paksha and Shraddha? Could Sri Rama do the last
rites of His father when He was in exile?

     This is a nice exercise for all Jyotisha to try and understand what is
meant by exaltation and debilitation in the case of the nodes and which are
the exaltation/debility sign for these meanings.

WITH A SINCERE BOW TO THE LORD OF ALL KNOWLEDGE
OM KRISHNA GURU,

I remain,

Sanjay Rath
Sri Jagannath Vedic  Center
152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091.
Tel:+91-11-2489531;e-mail: srath@...
Webpage: http://www2.crosswinds.net/~srath

----- Original Message -----
From: Das Goravani, pres.dmi <Das@...>
To: <gjlist@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: Rahu/Ketu exaltation


>
> Re: Rahu/Ketu exaltation
>
> It is my opinion, regardless of what BPHS supposedly says, that Rahu and
> Ketu are complete Rouges in the Divine Sense, and are not Gods, and do
> not own or exalt anywhere.
>
> It is improper and offensive to the Devas to regard them as equal to
> them, in my opinion.
>
> They represent the node between divinity and materiality. Rahu expands,
> Ketu contracts, but they both exist to mess up your plans here.
> Therefore they are highly karmic in nature, or reactively karmic. They
> should not be equated with the real Devas, and in fact in various places
> in Sattvic Hindu Scriptures it will tell you not to equate anyone with
> the Gods, or in other words, to know proper ontology.
>
> Ontology can also be called Spiritual Hierarchy. In the Vedic hierarchy,
> Rakshashas can never be equal to Gods unless they shed completely their
> malefic nature and become "suras" or "aryans". Prahlad, the son of the
> Great Rakshasha Hiranyakasipu, was Godly, though born in an Asura
> family. So Rahu and Ketu, to my knowledge, have not attained this status
> exactly. They live on the border inbetween the two, hence their effects
> are usually simultaneously good and bad, very obviously.
>
> I personally think likening them to Saturn and Mars is an example so
> that we can learn their effects. I think after learning their effects
> one can know them separately as individuals. Because they are not
> primeval but appeared later, they cannot "own" anything at all.
>
> These are my opinions. Scriptural referrences will say varying things. I
> think those things are there to guide us towards true understanding. In
> "true understanding", I believe, again "I" believe, that they and all
> things assume their OWN individuality and are then not likened unto
> anything else. Just like, we can say, "Oh, Das Goravani is LIKE so and
> so", but ultimately, I am "me", an individual, and "so and so", the
> compared-to entity, is yet another unique individual.
>
> Remember please, I have said it a few times, this is MY opinion. I am
> not saying this is what is said in any certain place in scripture. I
> almost always only speak of my own realizations, or vi-gyan, not "gyan"
> proper, which is based on Sruti and Sastra, and is not "opinion".
> Realizations, because they "join" many "points of light" or "spots of
> gyan" or "pieces of knowledge", cannot be "verified" except by your own
> "realizations" or your own "Vigyan" in other words.
>
> Thanks for listening. I bow humbly to higher authorities. It may be a
> fault in me that I rely too much on my own realizations. If that be the
> case, then take me accordingly.
>
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JAYA JAGANNATH
Dear Mavis,
     Please accept my condolences at the passing away of your Guru maharaj
Sri Johari-ji. The horoscope you have provided tells confirms his stature as
a learned man and a great tapaswi as Jupiter is exalted in Navamsa Lagna
with Venus & Saturn in the 5th house. He was also a powerful tantrik as both
rahu and saturn are in trines to the Navamsa lagna, but not in trines to the
Atmakaraka i.e the knowledge was aquired in this birth itself through the
tapasya Yoga in the fifth from Amsa-lagna.
     Some time back I had mentioned an important RULE in Jyotish which I call
the "RUDRA RULE". The ordained Rudra alone can kill and this comes ONCE IN
ELEVEN YEARS. There was a person who visited a Nadi astrologer and was told
that the Ayus as per his past karma is 70 Years, but the man died in 59
Years. There was no bad karma, but the mere existance in todays hectic ways
of MODERN life is not good for longevity and that person died EXACTLY 11
YEARS BEFORE THE ORDAINED PERIOD. Thus death cycle comes every 11 years.
this is the rule of Ekadas Rudra (11 Rudra) as in the Rudramsa.
     Now consider the prediction of 76 years given for Sri Harish Johari.
Unfortunately, the effect of the times has snatched away a good soul in his
65th Year i.e. EXACTLY 11 YEARS BEFORE THE ORDAINED  DEATH. I consider him a
great teacher who even in his passing away has taught us.
     If you consider the Shoola dasa, the Shoola Dasa of Leo was from the 63
to 72 years. This is aspected both by the Rudra Yoga of Mars & Moon showing
the danger of premature death. However, this is also aspected by the
Atmakaraka SUN (Shiva) showing that the AK couls have prevented the Rudra
yoga from functioning. Hence, Sri Narayana Rishi had made his predictions
after careful thought and should be respected for his perfect opinion and
advice.
     May his blessings guide you always.
I end with the holy name of Sri Satyanarayana "JAYA RAM SRI RAM JAYA JAYA
RAM".

Yours Sincerely,
Sanjay Rath

> > >From: Jjma3@...
> > >To: gjlist@..., jyotish-list@...
> > >Subject: Sri Harish Johari.....
> > >Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:54:03 EDT
> > >
> > >Dear List Members,
> > >I would just like everyone to know that my teacher Sri Harish Johari
left
> > >his
> > >body on Aug 20. He was a great man, scholar, author, tantrik and
artist. I
> > >will miss him very much.
> > >His chart is very interesting and I think we can learn alot from it. It
was
> > >predicted by Narayana Rishi, a great astrologer in India that he would
have
> > >problems in his mid to late 60's and if he could fight it he would live
to
> > >76( which is the age we all thought he would live to) If you look in
his
> > >chart the situation is just quite amazing.
> > >May 12, 1934, 12:55 pm Barielly , India (UP)
> > >time of death: Aug 20, 1999, 3:25pm, Haridwar, India.
> > >
> > >jai ma,
> > >mavis
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Dear Gauranga,
1.    I thought that I had subscribed you. The group is
varahamihira@egroups.com and you can send a blank e-mail to
varahamihira-subscribe@egroups.com . This is exclusively for SJVC students.
2.   Other remarks below:-

----- Original Message -----
From: Gauranga Das <gauranga@...>
To: SRath <srath@...>; Sanjay Rath <srath@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Waiting for response


----------
> Dear Gauranga,
> Jaya Jagannath,
>     I am forwarding your mail to the SJVC Astrology Class
> mailto:varahamihira@egroups.com for further response from Sarat, Manpreet,
> Dinanath & others.
> Hare Krishna,
> Sanjay

Dear Sanjay Rath Prabhu,

Please accept my namaskars.

What would the above mean? Is there a mailing list that I should be a part
of? Then please tell me how to subscribe to it. I'm also waiting for Your
evaluation of the last task and any further tasks. I also have quite a few
questions. Let me here submit a few. I hope tha You will have time to answer
them.

1. Which Ayanamsha do you reccommend to use? Currently I'm using Lahiri. Is
that all right?
S.RATH:  USE LAHIRI FOR THE PRESENT

2. Which house system do You prefer? I've found that Parashara Rishi gives a
method for calculating the Bhava Sphutam fot the 10th House that would give
the MC point, (Ch 5. 21-22 BPHS trans. by GC Sharma) so that makes up
unequal houses system. At tha same time I didn't find any direct reference
towards equal houses or equal signs systems in ancient works (which I don't
know perfectly of course). So is unequal, or Sripati really preferred to the
other two? If yes, than it would give quite a difference in some cases in
comparison to the Rasi kundali. Then should we examine house lordships,
yogas etc. in Rasi or Bhava kundali?
S.RATH:  I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT TRANSLATION. USE RASI=BHAVA.

3. And finally what is the most accurate method for finding unknown birth
time or Lagna which we have many times? Varaha Mihira for example gives tow
methods in the 7th Shloka of the 26th Ch. of Briha Jataka, which would give
two different results if applied to the same Prasha kundali. First he says
that the Janma Lagna will be the Navamsha of the Prashna Lagna, then he says
that it will be as many isngs removed from the Prashna Lagna, as the
Drekkana occupied by the Sun is removed from the rising Drekkana at the time
of query.
Which one of the two is correct, or is there a third, more accurate method?
S.RATH:  THE TRANSLATION OR YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS NOT CORRECT. THE LAGNA IS
TO BE SEEN FROM THE NAVAMSA PRASNA LAGNA. WHAT IS TO BE SEEN IS A SEPARATE
ISSUE. THE JANMA LAGNA CAN BE THE 1ST, 5TH, 7TH OR 9TH FROM THE NAVAMSA
LAGNA OF PRASNA  OR THE SIGN OCCUPIED BY THE LORD OF NAVAMSA LAGNA IN
NAVAMSA ITSELF.
     THESE ARE THE SIGNS OF JUPITERS INFLUENCE (1,5,7,9 & PAKA LAGNA).

I've got many more questions of course, but I have to move step by step. I
hope that our communication problems are now solved.

Your servant, Gauranga das
S.RATH:  IT IS THE WISH OF SRI jAGANNATHA.
HARE RAMA KRISHNA
P.S. PLEASE SEE THE NEW SJVS WEBPAGE AT http://www2.crosswinds.net/~srath
and send your comments or home-page. Please also send a scanned photograph
and small write up for SJVC records. ALL SJVC MEMBERS PLEASE
Sanjay Rath
Sri Jagannath Vedic  Center
152B Pocket-C, Mayur Vihar Ph-2, Delhi, INDIA 110091.
Tel:+91-11-2489531;e-mail: srath@...
Webpage: http://www2.crosswinds.net/~srath

Dear Gauranga,
Jaya Jagannath,
     I am forwarding your mail to the SJVC Astrology Class
mailto:varahamihira@egroups.com for further response from Sarat, Manpreet,
Dinanath & others.
Hare Krishna,
Sanjay
----- Original Message -----
From: Gauranga Das <gauranga@...>
To: Sanjay Rath <srath@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: Waiting for response


----------
> Dear Gauranga,
>     Again there is a loss of mail. Dina-Nath Das has helped me with this
> computer and things seem OK now. Please send mail to srath@...
as
> that is a very reliable account and I get all mail without anything
getting
> lost or deleted when the server is down for repair in India.
> Hare Krishna,
> Sanjay

I've sent this to ypur Pronto address as well.

  JAYA JAGANNATHA!

Dear Sanjay Rath Prabhu,

Please accept my Dandavats.

I have sent this same letter to You more than a week before, but obviously
You didn't receive it, so I'm resending it to Yuor new email address.

I will first try to answer Your questions and
then redo the exercise as You have asked. But I'm a beginner, so don't
expect a very deep knowledge of Jyotish's methods from me.

> SRath:  WHICH HOUSES RULE JYOTISH? I WANT AN OBJECTIVE ANSWER PLEASE.

Acc. to BV Raman the 1st and 10th, and the 5th also. Obviously the 1st
would mean the self, the abilities. I've got Ketu there, which could give
some light. it's lord, the Sun (jeeva) is in the 5th (intelligence,
knowledge of
the future/Phaladipika). This might be helpful. I've got Jupiter in Leo
Navamsha, which is wisdom, also helpful. The 10th is profession, also
aspected by Jupiter, who is the lord of Pisces (intuition). The second house
is Vidya (learning), Lord is Mercury in Sagittari, Jupiter's house, and also
5th! So they are interconnected. Plus, Venus is in Virgo Navamsha. This
would explain Jup-Ven Dasha.

> But the Lagna would be Simha I think, as I'm quite a Leo-like person. I
have
> great plans and I'm never satisfied with myself, I like to be the boss,
and

> SRath: WHY DO YOU THINK. WHY ARE YOU NOT SURE?

Well, intuitively I'm sure. The time can't be checked factually. But the
chart
describes me, so I accept. I'm sure. You convinced me.

> SRath: THIS IS NOT AN EVENT. IT IS A WEAKNESS. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN
> KNOWING ABOUT YOUR WEAKNESSES AT THIS STAGE. IN ANY CASE SINCE YOU MENTION
> IT, DON'T YOU THINK THIS CAN ALSO BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE 10TH LORD IN THE
4TH
> HOUSE?

Yes, Venus makes me unstable. Acc. to BV Raman it may give malefic
results to Leo ascendant.

> SRath: WHICH HOUSE RULES GIRLFRIENDS? SHOULD WE NOT SEE THE NAVAMSA IF THE
> RELATIONSHIP WAS MORE THAN JUST "GIRLFRIEND"? PLEASE READ THIS ALSO.

Girlfriends are 5th. Marriage is 7th. Uh, I feel empowered by You. My
Navamsha Lagna is Taurus. 7th from it is Scorpio with Sun and Moon it it.
Mars is in the 2nd. 2nd is family bonds. So I thought that we would get
married. Sun and Moon also shows that this is important at the same time
conflicting for me (positive-negative powers clashing), plus lord is Mars,
which is Atmakarak, so the relationship is important for me but causes
much suffering.

> I became a vegetarian in Ju-Ju-Sa,
>  SRath:WHY?

Continuing the previous string, my girlfriend convinced me (2nd house-food),
Mars, lord of 7th is in 2nd in Navamsha kundali.

> Lord of Moon sign). When the Ju-Ju-Ketu subperiod came, quite a few deep
> changes happened.
> SRath: WHY? IS IT BECAUSE OF KETU IN 1ST OR IN 10TH FROM JUPITER?

Because it's in 1st, indicating deep changes and enlightenment. In
Navamsha it's in the 12th, meaning insight, realisations. In 10th from
Jupiter
it would indicate external, professional changes which occurred.

>  I stopped my relationship with my girlfriend (Ketu
> aspects 7th, and has separating effect)
> SRath: NO SUCH THING AS "SEPARATING EFFECT". PLEASE QUOTE THE SUTRA FOR
THE
> "SEPARATING EFFECT". THERE IS A VERY SPECIFIC REASON. TRY TO ANSWER THIS.

I guess You refer to the Upadesa Sutras. Fortune I have them (Your
translation). I just opened it to find out. 1.4.2 says: "If the second from
upapada has malefic aspects or conjunctions the native loses his wife or
renounces the world."
So upapada is the arudha of the 12th house from Lagna (Cancer in my
case). It's lord Moon is in the 11th. So I have to add 11 signs to Gemini,
that's Taurus. Second from upapada is Gemini again. It has full aspect of
Rahu, Saturn, Sun, and Mercury. As Mercury associates with ths Sun it may
also be taken as malefic. the result: 4 malefic planets. Will the same
happen
to my present wife in Sani-Rahu dasha?

> , because she didn't want to take
> Krishna consciousness as seriously as me.
> SRath: THAT WAS THE EXCUSE.

>From my side? So was this my fate then?

> So then I joined the Hare Krishna
> temple in Budapest and became a monk (brahmacari) at the end of October
> 1990. This was the greatest change in my life. Ketu is in the 1st house,
so
> it
> may give fundamental changes, and is called Moksha-karaka, so it liberated
> me from meny worldly attachments.
> SRath: WHAT ARE THE COMBINATIONS FOR TAPASWI YOGA? SHOULD THIS NOT APPLY
IN
> YOUR CHART?

Well, as per Parasara Hora I found only one and even that not applying
fully. In the 8th verse of the chapter on pravrajya he says:"if the Moon be
in
Drekkana of Saturn and also in the Navamsa os Saturn or Mars and
aspected by Saturn, the native will be an ascetic of the type signified by
Saturn."
So Moon is aspected by Saturn, is in Scorpio navamsha, but in Gemini
Drekkana in my chart. What would this give? I don't want to become a
naked ascetic.

>  It also partakes of the nature of Mars,
> which rules 9th and 4th (where Jupiter is) and is Atmakarak. So I was put
> into a good place by Krishna. Ketu also finished up my studies at the
> university.
> SRath: NO, THAT IS NOT THE REASON. WHICH HOUSE DOES KETU OWN AND WHICH
> PLANETS DOES IT DISPOSIT?

It owns Scorpio and this disposits Jupiter and Venus. am I correct? 4th
house is studies.

  > I went to India first in 1992 Ju-Sa-Sa (also 9th
> house, pligrimage to holy places),
> SRath: SATURN IN 9TH IS BAD FOR DHARMA, THEY WHY THIS EXCEPTION FOR YOU?

Maybe because it's in the sign of Mars (Atmakarak) and is aspected by it as
well? If I'm correct Mars is my Yoga karaka as well. Oh, another idea:
Maybe because Saturn is retrograde, therefore giving the opposite effect as
usual?

>I THINK IN SANI DASA YOU WILL COME TO STAY IN INDIA FOR LONG PERIODS. WHY?

I can't guess that one. But I wouldn't be against.

  > So I was a brahmacari until October 1997 and then I got
> married on the instruction of my Guru Maharaj. We began associating with
> my wife literally in the days when my Ju-Ve Antardasha commenced. So
> Venus subperiods tend to bring relationships to me. I hope this will be
the
> last one and last long.
> SRath: EXPLAIN THE EVENT USING THE DARAPADA AND UPAPADA.

Uhh. I haven't studied that so far. Darapada and Upapada are both Gemini
if I got it right. Jupiter is the karaka for upapada and Venus is the karaka
for darapada. So they came together and this was both an emotional and an
institutional step. We loved each other and we got married. So both
significators are involved.

  > We had our legal marriage on the 6th of June
> (Ju-Ve-Mo) and Vivaha samskar on 9th of October (Ju-Ve-Ra). The second
> one was more important, and Rahu is in 7th. I hope it won't give so much
> suffering in marriage.
> SRath: EXPLAIN THE EVENT USING THE DARAPADA AND UPAPADA.

As they coincide, I may give a united explanation. The 2nd from upapada
(or darapada) is Cancer. Its lord is Moon, which is aspected by Rahu in the
7th natal. The other two planets explained above. Is this correct?

>  I also got a small house in Nov. Both things were
> predicted to come through although we were unsure until the last moments.
> SRath: WHO PREDICTED AND WHAT WAS THE BASIS?



Devarsi pr. I don't know the basis as he didn't explain and I was a dummy
at that time.

> SRath: THE HOUSES OWNED BY THE ATMAKARAKA INDICATES THE DIRECTIONS FROM
> WHICH THE VOICE OF GOD WILL BE HEARD. (LESSON #1) DOES YOUR AK HAVE ANY
> RELATIONSHIP WITH THE 11TH HOUSE?

Yes, it's in Gemini Navamsha.

> SRath: VERY GOOD. MAY SRI JAGANNATHA BLESS THE HOME.

Thank You.

> I think that our fate is not determined by the planetary influences,
> SRath: FATE IS DETERMINED BY THE PLANETS, BUT KARMA IS DIFFERENT. FATE
SHOWS
> THE SITUATIONS A PERSON WILL BE IN WHEREAS KARMA SHOWS HOW THE PERSON
REACTS
> TO THESE SITUATIONS. THUS IN JYOTISH WE MUST HAVE TWO PARALLEL AND
> SIMULTANEOUSLY OPERATING DASA SYSTEMS TO DETERMINE (A) FATE AND (B) THE
> REACTION/KARMA OR ANUBHAVA. THE BEST TWO ACCORDING TO ME ARE (A) NARAYANA
> DASA & (B) VIMSOTTARI DASA.

I don't know the Narayana Dasa. How does it work?

> but by our karma, or past deeds. So the planetary movements only indicate
> the different

> karmic forces that are acting upon us.
> SRath: IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY WE HARDLY USE PLANETARY MOVEMENTS, AND RELY MORE
> ON THE FIXED KUNDALI. KARMIC FORCES DO NOT ACT ON US. THESE ARE IN THE
FORM
> OF PAST GOOD KARMA (JUP) & BAD KARMA (SAT) ATTACHED TO THE ATMA (SUN) THAT
> TENDS TO BRIGHTEN OR BLUR THE LIGHT OF THE ATMA (SUN) THAT COMES TO THE
MANA
> (MOON). THUS AT DIFFERENT TIMES THE MANA IS RECEIVING DIFFERENT LEVELS OF
> LIGHT FROM THE ATMA...THIS IS SIGNIFIED BY JUPITER CALLED JEEVA. NOW,THE
> ICCHA SHAKTI (DESIRE) IS THE CAUSE OF REBIRTH AND EVEN THE DESIRE FOR
MOKSHA
> IS AN ATTACHMENT THAT MAY CAUSE REBIRTH. THESE ICCHA (DESIRE) ARE SEEN
FROM
> VENUS. THUS, THESE TWO JUPITER AND VENUS BECOME THE TWO GURU'S OF THE
> CHART...ONE SHOWING THE LIGHT OF THE ATMA AND THE OTHER SHOWING THE
DESIRES
> AND WAYS TO FULFIL THEM.

So what do they give together in the 4th? They are also disposited by Mars,
the Atmakarak. Would that mean that they come together into surrender to
Krishna in Ketu-Mars Dasa and I leave my body in Krsna consciousness
(Ketu is in Aries navamsha)?

  > They are all Krishna's shaktis, so if we
> worship Him, we are protected from negative karma in the best way.
> SRath: KARMA IS IN YOUR HANDS. THAT IS WHY IT WAS NECESSARY FOR BHAGAVAN
TO
> TAKE SO MUCH TROUBLE TO EXPLAIN THE BHAGAVAT GITA TO ARJUNA. IF KRSNA
> WANTED, THERE WAS NO NEED TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO ARJUNA. HE COULD SIMPLY
> HAVE ORDERED HIM TO FIGHT. BUT BHAGAVAN IS DHARMA HIMSELF AND BY HIS
ACTION
> OF EXPLAINING SHOWED THE GREATEST TRUTH...EVEN WHEN WE BECOME GURU'S WE
> SHOULD TRY TO EXPLAIN INSTEAD OF ORDERING AROUND. THE HOUSES CONTROLLING
> KARMA ARE CALLED THE UPACHAYA OR THE HOUSES OF GROWTH. THESE ARE THE 3RD,
> 6TH,10TH & 11TH. NOW TELL ME WHY THESE HOUSES WERE CHOSEN. WHY NOT OTHERS.

3rd is friends, co-born. By viewing their example we could advance in self
realization. 6th is enemies, to whom we were enemies before, and debts,
which we left behind. Diseases are also karmic reactions.10th is our role in
the society and practical deeds, or example as well. 11th is gains that come
from good karma. Am I correct?

> SRath: NOTHING CAN EVER BE BORING FOR A TEACHER. THE DAY HE GETS BORED, HE
> IS NO LONGER QUALIFIED TO TEACH.

Thank You.

So now I will try to pin down a few events.

1. Birth 1971.01.09 Budapest
2. Going to school 1977.09.01. Moscow
3. Coming home from Moscow to Budapest 1981.06
4. School (primary and secondary) in Budapest 1981. 09 - 1987.12
5. Going to Moscow again 1987.12
6. Final exams in high school and stepping into university 1989.05 Moscow

Going back and forth during studies may be explained through the 4th house
(Scorpio). I have Moon and Sun there in Navamsha where Moon would
indicate living abroad and the Sun living at home.

7. Leaving the university after 1 year 1 month 1990.10.10 Moscow

Mars is in the 8th house from Scorpio in Navamsha. It may indicate an
abrupt finishing of education for a higher cause (Mars is Atmakarak)

8. Coming back to Budapest and becoming a monk 1990.10.30
9. Death of my mother in Moscow 1990. 12.

Moon and Mars signify mother. Mars is the malefic, aspected by Saturn
and Rahu may give early death to mother. Moon is aspected by both of
them as well as by Sun and Mercury becoming malefic. But Moon is in the
11th and is strong, so by the death of my mother I gained a step-mother,
who is in many ways better than she was.

10. Harinama diksa received in Bp. 1991.10. from my Guru Maharaj
11. Gayatri diksa received in Bp. 1993.01.20. from my Guru Maharaj
12. First travel to India 1993.03. Mayapur, Vrindavan
13. Second travel to India 1995.02 Vrindavan
14. Third travel to India 1996.10. Mayapur, Puri, Vrindavan

Pilgrimage would be indicated by 9th and 12th. Lord of 9th is Mars, also
aspecting it, so pilgrimage would come at an early age (if we count the
periods of life referring to the houses from Lagna). Sani is there in 9th,
debilitated and retrograde, so won't obstruct it so much. It similarly
aspects
Moon, the lord of 12th. Mars as well aspects the 9th house of the
Navamsha chart (Capricorn) and owns the 12th of it (Aries). Sani
alternately owns and aspects them in Navamsha, and is placed in the 6th
(Dusthana), where loses his malefic effect.

15. Association with my would-be wife Bp., 1997.10.15
16. Fourth travel to India 1998.03. Mayapur, Vrindavan
17. Legal marriage Bp., 1998.06.06
18. Vivaha samskara Bp., 1998.10.19
19. Moving to our new house 1998.11.15

Marriage and house: Jupiter and Venus are situated in the 4th house (owned
by Mars again). Mars owns 9th and 4th. I'm going back and forth between
the temple and my home every day. Jupiter and Venus mean husband and
wife together at home. But in the Navamsha Jupiter is in Leo (natal 1st) and
Venus is in Virgo (natal 2nd). Would this mean that I lose her early,
staying
with my Guru (Jupiter) after that? Also Venus in Navamsha is in the 8th
from natal 7th. Would this indicate loss of wife as well?

This was the depth of analysis that I could do by Your mercy. I hope that I
didn't speculate too much. Waiting for Your further instructions I remain

Your servant,

Gauranga das

Hare Krishna.

JAYA JAYA SRI JAGANNATHA
Dear YND,
     One day, try to translate the Jaimini Sutra into your language for the
benefit of all peoples. By serving your people in this manner you will be
guiding then towards Lord Krishna.
Hare Krishna,
Sanjay Rath
Sri Jagannath Vedic  Center
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To: <varahamihira@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 1999 6:57 PM
Subject: [varahamihira] Re: Sun for mahadasha


> >JAYA JAGANNATHA
> >Dear YND,
> >ATMA, MANA & SAREERA is the order.
> >Yes it will. Is the ATMA WEAK? Think on the three words above.
> >Sanjay
>
>
> Dear Gurudev,
>
> Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath.
>
> Each word of yours is pure nectar. This is just what I was always looking
> for.
>
> jnane pryasam udapasya namanta eva
> jivante san-mukharitam bhavadiya vartam
> sthane-sthitam sruti-gatam tanu-van-manobhir
> ye prayaso jita 'jito pyasi tais trilokyam
>
> I am am so tired of so much mental speculations which virtually pervade
all
> around and am so happy to hear from a person who does not 'think' but is
> genuinly sure.
>
> I am asking again and again, how can I serve you?
>
> Your servant
> Yasomatinandana das
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sanjay Rath <srath@...>
To: <Das@...>; <gjlist@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Y2K, the Market, Ideas?


> JAYA JAGANNATHA
> Dear Raghu,
>     There was a brilliant Jyotish in this list who has used Makar
sankranti
> very successfully. This is the new year in tamil Nadu and many other parts
> of India like Orissa during kali Yuga which is ruled by Capricorn. So, we
> can attempt an analysis of the chart drawn for 14th January 2000; 11 PM
IST;
> Ujjain India.
>     Virgo rises with the Sun and Ketu in the fifth house showing that
> Computers will come to rule the day. This is a hard fact as the dispositor
> of Ketu, viz. saturn is in the 8th house in debility. The conjunction of
the
> Sun (12th lord) shows many millionaires going the Bill Gates way in
donating
> their funds for the benefit of mankind. The debility of saturn and its
> conjunction with a Gajakesari yoga shows that another computer company
which
> was on the verge of sickness will become very strong and a market leader.
>     As regards nations, Virgo (India etc.) will redefine their ideals and
> principles by amending the constitution. Mercury in the fourth in
> Sagittarius shows a great period for Astrology. Moon in the 8th spells
doom
> for Rahu in Cancer. Improvised methods at crime handling will be very
> effective. Gemini (USA) is in the tenth and continues its leadership of
> World politics. Mercury in the 4th clearly shows new alliances and very
> successful strategies for the USA. Its communication network is its key to
> success.Jupiter the tenth Lord is in the 8th house showing a change in the
> US leadership as the Moon takes control. I think some Lady could win the
> next election to the US Presidency.
>      Rapid economic growth in Europe (Aries) and some major political
> changes are expected as the tenth lord from Aries continues in debility
> (fall of King) and is replaced by a Jupiter!!
>     In any case, what did you see. Rahu is heading for sure doom. Some of
> the Desert regions will see a fresh outbreak of violence in the month of
> February to July 2000. God forbid.
> Best Regards,
> Sanjay Rath
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Das Goravani, pres.dmi <Das@...>
> To: <gjlist@...>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 8:12 AM
> Subject: Y2K, the Market, Ideas?
>
>
> |
> | Hello Everyone,
> |
> | Today I talked to a well known Jyotish. He was claiming great results
> | with business clients and the market. He was saying he predicts a crash
> | of sorts this coming 7 days. He also said he thinks Y2K is going to be
> | real, that there will be looting and rioting in the big cities.
> |
> | So I looked at a series of charts for the first hour of the new year,
> | the first 9 AM for Washington DC, and Midnight or 1 AM in city centers
> | around the US like Los Angeles and so forth.
> |
> | Unfortunately, what I saw was a terrible chart in all cases.
> |
> | Has anyone else done this?
> |
> | I personally don't "feel" disaster coming. But I can't really trust
> | that, though it hasn't really wronged me yet in life.
> |
> | I was wondering, without hysteria please, if anyone has done
> | ASTROLOGICAL work on this, and cares to share it.
> |
> | Thanks,
> |
> | Raghunandan das
> | aka
> | Das Goravani, President
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>

----- Original Message -----

From: fls

To: Sanjay Rath

Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:57 AM

Subject: Upadesa Sutras

Namaste Sanjay...

I am currently reading Sri Jamini's sutras via your translation and hope you could assist me in a few places.

1. Chapter One, Qtr 1 - 1.1.26  disucusses a dasa system and how to calculate... is this the beginning of explaining the Narayan dasa that is described on page 205?

S.RATH:  No, you are mistaking the NIRYANA SHOOLA DASA as you have misread NIRYANA for Narayana. The discussion in the first Chapter of the Jaimini Sutra is for the Phalita Dasa General rules and these are applicable to almost all Phalita Dasa including Narayana, Chara, Yogardha etc.

 

2. The Narayan Shoola Dasa is another name for Narayan dasa system?

S.RATH:  No, you are mistaking the NIRYANA SHOOLA DASA as you have misread NIRYANA for Narayana.

 

3. Obtaining Sri Lagna ( pg. 215) - the arc traversed by Chandra in the birth constillation should be divided by 13degrees 20 min. - I will assume that the traversed arc is longitudinal from Aries at 0 degrees?

S.RATH:  No, the basic point is that the Nakshatra length of 13 Deg 20' is equated to the Bha-Chakra of 360 Deg. The Sutra Reads "TARA-ARK-AMSE MANDA-ADYO DASESHAH". Here Tara means constellation or Nakshatra of 13Deg 20min. Arka refers to the 12 Suns or Aditya and the 12 signs and amsa means portion. Hence TARAARKAMSE means the ONE-TWELFTH PORTION  of a NAKSHATRA. This is 1.1111 Deg in length.

Example given by you: The Moon is in Taurus 16 Deg 33 Min. in Rohini Star.

Now, Rohini Star begins at Taurus 10 Deg. Thus, the distance (Long) traversed by the Moon in Rohini is 6 Deg 33 Min. (i.e. 16-33' Minus 10-00). Now 6 Deg 33 Min = 6x60' + 33 =393 Min.

Divide this by 800 (because 13 Deg 20 Min= 13x60' +20'= 800 Min) and multiply by 360 Deg.

Thus, 393/800 x 360Deg = 176.85 Deg = 176 Deg 51 Min.

    This has to be added to the Lagna Sphuta (Longitude of the Ascendant) to arrive at the SHRI LAGNA.

In my chart Chandra is in Rohini  or 46 degrees 33 min from 0 Aries, or 16 degrees 33 min Taurus...which one do I choose?

Calc #1:  Absolute Degrees traversed by Chandra   

                     46 degrees 33 min / 13D20M =  3.49125

                     3.49125 X 12 = 41D53M42S = 1 sign 11D53M42S

                    Add to Lagna ( 8D7M2Scorpio) = 50D00M44S
                    Subtract: 50D00M44 - ( 30D00M00S - 8D7M2S which is the 
                    remaining degrees in Scorpio)= 21D52M58S Sagittarius for Sri Lagna

Do You argree? or:

Calc #2: Relative degrees traversed by Chandra in Taurus:

                    16D33M / 13D20M = 1.24124

                    1.24124 X 12 = 14.895 = 14D53M41.57S

                    Add to Lagna = 14D53M41.57S + 8D7M2S = 23D00M43.57S
                    this puts Sri Lagna in Scorpio

                       

Birth data if needed to check assumptions or to gather data:

Time: 15:23 CST

Location: 41N54M10S       87W40M25S   ( this is around Chicago; I use exact coord. when available)

Birth day 17th of July 1952

 

I have a great interest to really comprehend Narayan Dasa... Also have a great interest in Kalacharka Dasa systems - as I read Narasimha Rao's pager from his Summer workshop May of 1998. Any elp or direction you can offer is appreciated.

 

Been reading your book Crux of Vedic Astrology plus many others and am having limited results ( compared to what I desire) in comprehending and apply all the techniques.

Any suggestions to an organized path to mastering Jyotish?

 

If you have an extra moment  can you comment on Lakshmi and Sudasa Vrata - it's always a joy to hear about various puja's an homam....

 

thank you,

 

p.s. I am on the GJ list and see you writings on a regular basis...

Santi,
Frank
+ fschmidt@...

----- Original Message -----

From: fls

To: Sanjay Rath

Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:57 AM

Subject: Upadesa Sutras

Namaste Sanjay...

I am currently reading Sri Jamini's sutras via your translation and hope you could assist me in a few places.

1. Chapter One, Qtr 1 - 1.1.26  disucusses a dasa system and how to calculate... is this the beginning of explaining the Narayan dasa that is described on page 205?

S.RATH:  No, you are mistaking the NIRYANA SHOOLA DASA as you have misread NIRYANA for Narayana. The discussion in the first Chapter of the Jaimini Sutra is for the Phalita Dasa General rules and these are applicable to almost all Phalita Dasa including Narayana, Chara, Yogardha etc.

 

2. The Narayan Shoola Dasa is another name for Narayan dasa system?

S.RATH:  No, you are mistaking the NIRYANA SHOOLA DASA as you have misread NIRYANA for Narayana.

 

3. Obtaining Sri Lagna ( pg. 215) - the arc traversed by Chandra in the birth constillation should be divided by 13degrees 20 min. - I will assume that the traversed arc is longitudinal from Aries at 0 degrees?

S.RATH:  No, the basic point is that the Nakshatra length of 13 Deg 20' is equated to the Bha-Chakra of 360 Deg. The Sutra Reads "TARA-ARK-AMSE MANDA-ADYO DASESHAH". Here Tara means constellation or Nakshatra of 13Deg 20min. Arka refers to the 12 Suns or Aditya and the 12 signs and amsa means portion. Hence TARAARKAMSE means the ONE-TWELFTH PORTION  of a NAKSHATRA. This is 1.1111 Deg in length.

Example given by you: The Moon is in Taurus 16 Deg 33 Min. in Rohini Star.

Now, Rohini Star begins at Taurus 10 Deg. Thus, the distance (Long) traversed by the Moon in Rohini is 6 Deg 33 Min. (i.e. 16-33' Minus 10-00). Now 6 Deg 33 Min = 6x60' + 33 =393 Min.

Divide this by 800 (because 13 Deg 20 Min= 13x60' +20'= 800 Min) and multiply by 360 Deg.

Thus, 393/800 x 360Deg = 176.85 Deg = 176 Deg 51 Min.

    This has to be added to the Lagna Sphuta (Longitude of the Ascendant) to arrive at the SHRI LAGNA.

In my chart Chandra is in Rohini  or 46 degrees 33 min from 0 Aries, or 16 degrees 33 min Taurus...which one do I choose?

Calc #1:  Absolute Degrees traversed by Chandra   

                     46 degrees 33 min / 13D20M =  3.49125

                     3.49125 X 12 = 41D53M42S = 1 sign 11D53M42S

                    Add to Lagna ( 8D7M2Scorpio) = 50D00M44S
                    Subtract: 50D00M44 - ( 30D00M00S - 8D7M2S which is the 
                    remaining degrees in Scorpio)= 21D52M58S Sagittarius for Sri Lagna

Do You argree? or:

Calc #2: Relative degrees traversed by Chandra in Taurus:

                    16D33M / 13D20M = 1.24124

                    1.24124 X 12 = 14.895 = 14D53M41.57S

                    Add to Lagna = 14D53M41.57S + 8D7M2S = 23D00M43.57S
                    this puts Sri Lagna in Scorpio

                       

Birth data if needed to check assumptions or to gather data:

Time: 15:23 CST

Location: 41N54M10S       87W40M25S   ( this is around Chicago; I use exact coord. when available)

Birth day 17th of July 1952

 

I have a great interest to really comprehend Narayan Dasa... Also have a great interest in Kalacharka Dasa systems - as I read Narasimha Rao's pager from his Summer workshop May of 1998. Any elp or direction you can offer is appreciated.

 

Been reading your book Crux of Vedic Astrology plus many others and am having limited results ( compared to what I desire) in comprehending and apply all the techniques.

Any suggestions to an organized path to mastering Jyotish?

 

If you have an extra moment  can you comment on Lakshmi and Sudasa Vrata - it's always a joy to hear about various puja's an homam....

 

thank you,

 

p.s. I am on the GJ list and see you writings on a regular basis...

Santi,
Frank
+ fschmidt@...

----- Original Message -----

From: fls

To: Sanjay Rath

Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:57 AM

Subject: Upadesa Sutras

Namaste Sanjay...

I am currently reading Sri Jamini's sutras via your translation and hope you could assist me in a few places.

1. Chapter One, Qtr 1 - 1.1.26  disucusses a dasa system and how to calculate... is this the beginning of explaining the Narayan dasa that is described on page 205?

S.RATH:  No, you are mistaking the NIRYANA SHOOLA DASA as you have misread NIRYANA for Narayana. The discussion in the first Chapter of the Jaimini Sutra is for the Phalita Dasa General rules and these are applicable to almost all Phalita Dasa including Narayana, Chara, Yogardha etc.

 

2. The Narayan Shoola Dasa is another name for Narayan dasa system?

S.RATH:  No, you are mistaking the NIRYANA SHOOLA DASA as you have misread NIRYANA for Narayana.

 

3. Obtaining Sri Lagna ( pg. 215) - the arc traversed by Chandra in the birth constillation should be divided by 13degrees 20 min. - I will assume that the traversed arc is longitudinal from Aries at 0 degrees?

S.RATH:  No, the basic point is that the Nakshatra length of 13 Deg 20' is equated to the Bha-Chakra of 360 Deg. The Sutra Reads "TARA-ARK-AMSE MANDA-ADYO DASESHAH". Here Tara means constellation or Nakshatra of 13Deg 20min. Arka refers to the 12 Suns or Aditya and the 12 signs and amsa means portion. Hence TARAARKAMSE means the ONE-TWELFTH PORTION  of a NAKSHATRA. This is 1.1111 Deg in length.

Example given by you: The Moon is in Taurus 16 Deg 33 Min. in Rohini Star.

Now, Rohini Star begins at Taurus 10 Deg. Thus, the distance (Long) traversed by the Moon in Rohini is 6 Deg 33 Min. (i.e. 16-33' Minus 10-00). Now 6 Deg 33 Min = 6x60' + 33 =393 Min.

Divide this by 800 (because 13 Deg 20 Min= 13x60' +20'= 800 Min) and multiply by 360 Deg.

Thus, 393/800 x 360Deg = 176.85 Deg = 176 Deg 51 Min.

    This has to be added to the Lagna Sphuta (Longitude of the Ascendant) to arrive at the SHRI LAGNA.

In my chart Chandra is in Rohini  or 46 degrees 33 min from 0 Aries, or 16 degrees 33 min Taurus...which one do I choose?

Calc #1:  Absolute Degrees traversed by Chandra   

                     46 degrees 33 min / 13D20M =  3.49125

                     3.49125 X 12 = 41D53M42S = 1 sign 11D53M42S

                    Add to Lagna ( 8D7M2Scorpio) = 50D00M44S
                    Subtract: 50D00M44 - ( 30D00M00S - 8D7M2S which is the 
                    remaining degrees in Scorpio)= 21D52M58S Sagittarius for Sri Lagna

Do You argree? or:

Calc #2: Relative degrees traversed by Chandra in Taurus:

                    16D33M / 13D20M = 1.24124

                    1.24124 X 12 = 14.895 = 14D53M41.57S

                    Add to Lagna = 14D53M41.57S + 8D7M2S = 23D00M43.57S
                    this puts Sri Lagna in Scorpio

                       

Birth data if needed to check assumptions or to gather data:

Time: 15:23 CST

Location: 41N54M10S       87W40M25S   ( this is around Chicago; I use exact coord. when available)

Birth day 17th of July 1952

 

I have a great interest to really comprehend Narayan Dasa... Also have a great interest in Kalacharka Dasa systems - as I read Narasimha Rao's pager from his Summer workshop May of 1998. Any elp or direction you can offer is appreciated.

 

Been reading your book Crux of Vedic Astrology plus many others and am having limited results ( compared to what I desire) in comprehending and apply all the techniques.

Any suggestions to an organized path to mastering Jyotish?

 

If you have an extra moment  can you comment on Lakshmi and Sudasa Vrata - it's always a joy to hear about various puja's an homam....

 

thank you,

 

p.s. I am on the GJ list and see you writings on a regular basis...

Santi,
Frank
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----- Original Message -----

From: fls

To: Sanjay Rath

Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:57 AM

Subject: Upadesa Sutras

Namaste Sanjay...

I am currently reading Sri Jamini's sutras via your translation and hope you could assist me in a few places.

1. Chapter One, Qtr 1 - 1.1.26  disucusses a dasa system and how to calculate... is this the beginning of explaining the Narayan dasa that is described on page 205?

S.RATH:  No, you are mistaking the NIRYANA SHOOLA DASA as you have misread NIRYANA for Narayana. The discussion in the first Chapter of the Jaimini Sutra is for the Phalita Dasa General rules and these are applicable to almost all Phalita Dasa including Narayana, Chara, Yogardha etc.

 

2. The Narayan Shoola Dasa is another name for Narayan dasa system?

S.RATH:  No, you are mistaking the NIRYANA SHOOLA DASA as you have misread NIRYANA for Narayana.

 

3. Obtaining Sri Lagna ( pg. 215) - the arc traversed by Chandra in the birth constillation should be divided by 13degrees 20 min. - I will assume that the traversed arc is longitudinal from Aries at 0 degrees?

S.RATH:  No, the basic point is that the Nakshatra length of 13 Deg 20' is equated to the Bha-Chakra of 360 Deg. The Sutra Reads "TARA-ARK-AMSE MANDA-ADYO DASESHAH". Here Tara means constellation or Nakshatra of 13Deg 20min. Arka refers to the 12 Suns or Aditya and the 12 signs and amsa means portion. Hence TARAARKAMSE means the ONE-TWELFTH PORTION  of a NAKSHATRA. This is 1.1111 Deg in length.

Example given by you: The Moon is in Taurus 16 Deg 33 Min. in Rohini Star.

Now, Rohini Star begins at Taurus 10 Deg. Thus, the distance (Long) traversed by the Moon in Rohini is 6 Deg 33 Min. (i.e. 16-33' Minus 10-00). Now 6 Deg 33 Min = 6x60' + 33 =393 Min.

Divide this by 800 (because 13 Deg 20 Min= 13x60' +20'= 800 Min) and multiply by 360 Deg.

Thus, 393/800 x 360Deg = 176.85 Deg = 176 Deg 51 Min.

    This has to be added to the Lagna Sphuta (Longitude of the Ascendant) to arrive at the SHRI LAGNA.

In my chart Chandra is in Rohini  or 46 degrees 33 min from 0 Aries, or 16 degrees 33 min Taurus...which one do I choose?

Calc #1:  Absolute Degrees traversed by Chandra   

                     46 degrees 33 min / 13D20M =  3.49125

                     3.49125 X 12 = 41D53M42S = 1 sign 11D53M42S

                    Add to Lagna ( 8D7M2Scorpio) = 50D00M44S
                    Subtract: 50D00M44 - ( 30D00M00S - 8D7M2S which is the 
                    remaining degrees in Scorpio)= 21D52M58S Sagittarius for Sri Lagna

Do You argree? or:

Calc #2: Relative degrees traversed by Chandra in Taurus:

                    16D33M / 13D20M = 1.24124

                    1.24124 X 12 = 14.895 = 14D53M41.57S

                    Add to Lagna = 14D53M41.57S + 8D7M2S = 23D00M43.57S
                    this puts Sri Lagna in Scorpio

                       

Birth data if needed to check assumptions or to gather data:

Time: 15:23 CST

Location: 41N54M10S       87W40M25S   ( this is around Chicago; I use exact coord. when available)

Birth day 17th of July 1952

 

I have a great interest to really comprehend Narayan Dasa... Also have a great interest in Kalacharka Dasa systems - as I read Narasimha Rao's pager from his Summer workshop May of 1998. Any elp or direction you can offer is appreciated.

 

Been reading your book Crux of Vedic Astrology plus many others and am having limited results ( compared to what I desire) in comprehending and apply all the techniques.

Any suggestions to an organized path to mastering Jyotish?

 

If you have an extra moment  can you comment on Lakshmi and Sudasa Vrata - it's always a joy to hear about various puja's an homam....

 

thank you,

 

p.s. I am on the GJ list and see you writings on a regular basis...

Santi,
Frank
+ fschmidt@...

----- Original Message -----

From: fls

To: Sanjay Rath

Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 11:25 PM

Subject: ON that note:::244 days to Liberation

Namsaste Sanjay: thanks for the note.
I have been fortunate ... I have been meditating for the past 27 years daily using Maharishi Mehesh Yogi's
techniques... it's a normal part of my routine and I look forward to coordinating my sadhana with Homam's and Yajnas.

 I have been thinking and contemplating HIM ( Hiranyagarbha) for as long as I can remember... earliest time is 8 yrs. old.
Sanjay- I take great delight in offering Homam and Puja to Isana and Deva and Devi.

You will be receiving my letter by weeks end - it is now in route to you.
After looking at the Janma Kundalai, the Navamasa and the Vimsha charts I hope we can calculate the 16 days over the next 16 months to have  puja and homam for Sri Satya Narayana...
Perhaps after reviewing my chart and seeing Budha and Sukra existing in the 9th bavha it will make more sense for Homam to praise Vishnu & Lakshmi as Budha is AK and Sukra forms Lakshmi Yoga  but you can add clarity to this discussion . Pls. advise if this is the correct Ista Devata based upon my Rasi chart....

ONE area you can really assist me with ( I have been practicing Siddhis through Samyama since 1985 with minimum results) ... after reviewing my chart is there a Yajna you think I can perform to have better success at Siddhi practice...
I wish to advance in Dharana, Dhyana and Samadhi for performing Samyama.
My goal even though attractive is not all the supernormal powers suggested by Maharishi Patanjli...( anima, laghima, durdarsana, etc) its the desire to to achieve Rtambhara pragya - cognition to know the Truth , unalloyed Truth without a second - Nirvichara Samadhi.

Your kind help is appreciated here...Siksyata iti sisyah

Om Sri Rama Jai Jai Rama Om
Santi,
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: gjlist-request@...
[mailto:gjlist-request@...]On Behalf Of Sanjay
Rath
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 4:51 AM
To: fls; das@...; gjlist@...
Subject: Re: 244 days to Liberation


JAYA JAYA SRI JAGANNATHA
Dear Frank,
    Well said. That is a good time to do your mantra. In fact start a siddhi
40 days before this and during this period, fast and complete it. Success is
sure to come.
Best Regards,
Sanjay Rath
Sri Jagannath Vedic  Center
152B Pocket C Mayur Vihar Phase-2, Delhi 110091
Tel:+91-11-2489531;e-mail: srath@...
Webpage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/9544/
----- Original Message -----
From: fls <fschmidt@...>
To: <das@...>; <gjlist@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: 244 days to Liberation


| I will yield to those more astute and advanced in this science - yet when
we
| look at the world and see the influence and "nudging" of the Graha's it
can
| happen on many levels.
| The rasi chart through D-12  covers the physical...hence the influence of
| the Graha alignment will be working there....yet we have charts D13-24 for
| the mental plane, Maharishi Parasara cradles our direction to D16, D20 and
| D24... as we advance in the divisional charts we go further away from the
| physical to more subtle strata.
|
| So with the alignment on May 4th 2000 ( approx 12 midnight for the exact
| conjunction between Surya and Chandra) look not only to the physical
| external world for change....you may  miss the real change! Perhaps
| Kevala-jnana dawns for many.
|
| Santi,
| Frank
| * fschmidt@...
|
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: gjlist-request@...
| [mailto:gjlist-request@...]On Behalf Of Das
| Goravani
| Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 8:51 PM
| To: gjlist@...
| Subject: Re: 244 days to Liberation
|
|
|
| I only wanted to point out the heaviness of the date.
|
| I don't have any real astrological knowledge per se, only zeal to serve
the
| science.
|
| So I may serve as an interest springboard, but am willingly humble to be
| shown
| as wrong, especially when what I see doesn't look good.
|
| I just don't like so much Aries, and the lineups over mine and all my
family
| members charts is alarming to me.
|
| But whatever...
|
| As Richard discussed, that subject interests me. I believe we cannot
change
| the
| future, but that we can change our internal attitude towards it, or so it
| seems
| to us, and therein lies the realm of our inner work, working on our
attitude
| internally.
|
| I believe when you love the future regardless, because it is filled with
| service to God for you, and nothing else is real to you, I think then your
| attitude is correct. That is getting right with God. I don't know how a
| Vedic
| follower could love the future if they eat meat. But I guess there are
| different conceptions of Veda. Whatever.
|
| I think if you are right with God, then you have no arguments with the
| environment, which includes yours and all others Karmas. They are never an
| excuse, for dharma has never looked to fate for excuses amongst the heroes
| of
| the Puranas. Dharma is followed to the last, or Bhakti, but never does one
| shrink away from their fate, lest something lay there, that they inwardly
| fear.
|
| If you have no attachments and have no hatreds, then there is nothing to
| desire
| or fear, including even death. Since that is the only certain life event,
| then
| having no attachments and no hatreds, is an extremely good hobby to
pursue.
|
| None of this, the path of Bhakti, changes your karma or future. It changes
| your
| attitude only. That is free will. Giving up attachment to the future, the
| fruits of your actions and desires, and going with the flow of your fate
in
| a
| mood of constant acceptance, repentence, giving, service, surrender, love,
| etc., does not change your future, only your perception of it. Thus you
have
| made your mind and intelligence surrender to the soul. This does not
change
| your karma and has no effect on your external life except that perhaps the
| shiny new attitude might seem to change your life.
|
| The odd thing is this comes to you when God wills it, and you agree, which
| always occurs simultaneously, since you are dependent on Parmatma always
as
| per
| the Gita and it's synopsis of the 5 factors of all actions, which always
| includes the ordaining of the event by Paramatma, which is a deity of
| divinity,
| reflected for the sensitive in the planets.
|
| So even our enlightenment is under such controls. We are in God, always.
The
| same words are read, and understood differently, by each. That fact, like
| the
| future, is unchangeable. The variance of perceptions of reality, coupled
| with
| the lack of absolute sworn ahimsa by all humans, gives rise to all
suffering
| inflicted by humans upon humans.
|
|
|
| shanti
|

Dear Shari,
     I am forwarding this mail to one of my Sisya Sri Manpreet Singh Gambhir
to give a reply. I hope you are satisfied.
Best Wishes,
Sanjay Rath
P.S. Manpreet, can you please study this chart and advise. As regards May 4
1999, please repeat the predictions of Sri Achyuta Dasa as this will mark
the begining of the Golden Chakra for 480 years around Vaisakhi.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Sivassong@...>
To: <srath@...>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 5:28 AM
Subject: jyotish reading per your web site


> Namaste Sanjay,
>
> I subscribe to the 'glist', and visited your sight.
>
> Your sight doesn't mention anything about fees . . . I am not financially
at
> liberty to pay the going rate for a professional jyotish reading, but I am
> sending my birth data along thinking that you may do this for interest or
as
> a seva . . .
>
> Please excuse my presumption.
>
> Jaya Jagannath
>
>
> Shari
>
>
> DOB:  10/18/61
>
> Time:  5:23 p.m
>
> Place:  Mankato, Minnesota   USA
>
>
> I have been wondering specifically about the following as of late . . .
>
> my varshphal (spelling ?) for this year
>
> and the possible effects of that line up on May 4, 2000
>
> I trust God for all things, and I believe God works through everything in
the
> universe, but I don't believe we are in a position to understand all
things.
> I have some knowledge of jyotish, but I am not an astrologer.  I am
> interested in the connection between the heavens and our lives, and think
> that there do seem to be trends, connections, and karmically bound things
> going . . . I guess I am saying that I understand that life is my
> responsibility, but the heaveans and their workings interest me.
>
> Many, many thanks.  And again, if I have overlooked something on the sight
> regarding your fees, please excuse my presumption.
>
> I enjoyed the darshan of your web deities very much . . . thank you.
>
>
> slb

OM KRISHNA GURU
Dear Manpreet,
     Please address your questions to the classroom at
varahamihira@egroups.com for an easy answer for all.
     The A5 is the Mantra Pada whereas the servants are seen from the sixth
house and maids (looking after babies) from the 4th house (replacing the
mother for some time). The fifth is the house of subordinates who are
different from Maids or other staff.
     In case you are looking at personal staff in the office, then the
Peon/Daftry/Guard etc. are in the 6th house of PHYSICAL Service (to the
Lagna) while the PA/PS are in the third house (sixth to the tenth i.e.
Phsical service pertaining to the Office work) whereas the Juniors in the
hierarchy are in the 5th house. See this in the Dasamsa (D-10) and not Rasi
Chart for the kind of details you are looking for.
     Send the D-10 Chart for further discussions.
All are welcome to participate. This list is open to my students only.
Hare Krishna,
Sanjay Rath

----- Original Message -----
From: Manpreet Gambhir <gambhir@...>
To: <srath@...>
Cc: Manpreet Gambhir <gambhir@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 12:52 AM
Subject: Is an employee lucky for business.


>
>
>   OM GURAVE NAMAH
>
>   Namashkar Sanjay ji -
>
>     A couple of days back by sister (Ishmeet) asked me to verify whether
her
>     recent employee is unlucky for her. It seems since she employed her
>     a month back, she has not made a single business deal.
>
>     Now for this should I check how the Lagan of employee is placed
vis-a-vis
>     employer's A5? Would this be ristricted to harmony between the
employee
>     and the employer? If so what else needs to be looked for?
>
>     Incidently, in Ishmeet's chart A5 is placed 12th from AL. Wouldn't
>     this mean that her employees would result in loss to her?
>
> thanks
> Manpreet
>
>

Dear Gurudev,

Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath.

We just had a nice talk with Vaidyanath yesterday. BTW, he had his birthday
today which we wonderfully celebrated at the Temple.

Unfurtunately we did not manage to sign the land contract before
Pitru-paksha. So he requested to ask when would be the next good dates for
doing that.

Another thing is that he forwarded to me your recent message to him where,
in particular you write:

> There is always a silver lining after a dark cloud. So, this is the
>Last year for the Bhakta's of Sri Jagannath to be tormented as from the
next
>year Vaisakh Month, the golder chakra for 480 years starts and many temples
>will be built, literature produced and enjoyed, the intelligent and learned
>will be honored and Satwa will prevail.

I am just mystified what is that 'golden chakra' and how you came to this
knowledge?

your servant
Yasomatinandana das

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>JAYA JAGANNATHA
>Dear YND,
>ATMA, MANA & SAREERA is the order.
>Yes it will. Is the ATMA WEAK? Think on the three words above.
>Sanjay


Dear Gurudev,

Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath.

Each word of yours is pure nectar. This is just what I was always looking
for.

jnane pryasam udapasya namanta eva
jivante san-mukharitam bhavadiya vartam
sthane-sthitam sruti-gatam tanu-van-manobhir
ye prayaso jita 'jito pyasi tais trilokyam

I am am so tired of so much mental speculations which virtually pervade all
around and am so happy to hear from a person who does not 'think' but is
genuinly sure.

I am asking again and again, how can I serve you?

Your servant
Yasomatinandana das

JAYA JAGANNATHA
Dear Zoran,
MY NOTES ON SHOOLA DASA ARE AS UNDER. THIS IS MY COPYRIGHT. ONLY DAS
GORAVANI IS ALLOWED TO INCORPORATE THIS INTO HIS SOFTWARE IF HE IS
INTERESTED. OTHER DETAILS CAN BE HAD FROM MY BOOKS WHICH CAN BE GOT FROM
sagarpub@... :-

1.    The SHOOLA DASA is named after the TRISHULA or Three headed spear
carried by Lord Shiva in the form of RUDRA or MAHESWARA.
2.    The Shoola Dasa is a fixed period Dasa and will depend on the nature
of animal etc. you are studying. Either (a) The period of gestation is equal
to ONE ANTARDASA OR (b) the period of FULL LIFE (Purna Ayus) is equally
divided by 12 for the dasa of the 12 signs and equally divided by 144 for
each antardasa.
     Example A:Determine the Shoola dasa periods for Human births. We know
that the period of conception & pregnancy (geatation) is 9 months. Thus,
each Shoola ANTARDASA equals 9 Months. Each Shoola Dasa is 9 Years (12x9
Months= 108 Months =9 Years). Purna Ayus of this Dasa is 108 years
(144x9months =1296 Months= 108 years).
     Example B: The US president is elected for a period of 4 years. This
becomes the Purna Ayus of the Presidency and his ability to sustain during
the 4 years will be seen from the Shoola Dasa of the swearing-in Chart.
Since the Purna Ayus (Full Life) is for 4 years=48 Months, Each SHOOLA DASA
for the US Presidency is for 4 Months (48Months /12 =4 Months). Each
Antardasa is for 10 Days (4 Months/12 = 120 Days/12 = 10 Days).
3.     The shoola Dasa start from the Lagna or the 7th house whichever is
stronger. Similarly for other relations. The stronger between the 3rd & 9th
will start the shoola Dasa for Father, Paternal relatives & younger
co-borns. The stronger between the 4th & 10th will start the shoola Dasa for
Mother, Maternal relatives etc. The stronger between the 5th & 11th will
start the shoola Dasa for Children, (Maharishi Jaimini adds younger sisters
out here due to the pada of the third) & Elder co-borns. The stronger
between the 6th & 12th will start the shoola Dasa for servants, pets etc. In
this manner the Shoola Dasa for all can be determined.
4.    The Shoola Dasa are always regular and zodiacal. This is because
Saturn is the natural Ayushkaraka (significator for longevity) and the
Jaimini Maharishi teaches "Sanau UcheTyeke".
5.    The stronger between the 2nd & 8th Lord is called the Rudra. If the
weaker is more afflicted, then it becomes the Rudra. The sign occupied by
the Rudra is called Shoola and its trines are called TRISHULA.
6.    Since Venus & Mars are the Lords of the natural 2nd (Taurus) and 8th
(Scorpio) houses of the zodiac, if they are aspected/conjoined by the Moon
(Significator of the mind/health) generate Rudra Yoga.
7.    Death is to occur in the TriShoola, Rudra Yoga or other malefic yoga.
Death can also occur in the sign of the Arudha Lagna(for self and other
Arudha for other relations). Death can also occur in the signs aspecting the
third (PLACE OF DEATH) from Arudha Lagna. Other details from my books.
Best Regards,
Sanjay Rath
Sri Jagannath Vedic  Center
152B Pocket C Mayur Vihar Phase-2, Delhi 110091
Tel:+91-11-2489531;e-mail: srath@...
Webpage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/9544/

Manpreet & Sarat, Please also take a look at this for discussions in the
next class.

Sanjay Rath
Sri Jagannath Vedic  Center
152B Pocket C Mayur Vihar Phase-2, Delhi 110091
Tel:+91-11-2489531;e-mail: srath@...
Webpage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/9544/
----- Original Message -----
From: Gauranga Das <gauranga@...>
To: Sanjay Rath <srath@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: Request for your help


JAYA JAGANNATHA

Dear Sanjay Rath Prabhu,

Please accept my Dandvats.

I'm sorry for answering so late, but I received Your email yesterday
evening,
and today morning I was at our temple doing puja to Sri Sri Gaura Nitai.

> Dear Gauranga Prabhu,
> Namaskar, Please convey my sincere Pranam to your Guru Maharaj.

I will, thank You.

>     Since you have been studying Jyotish, please tell me the following:-
> 1. Why did you start learning Jyotish in Jup-Venus period.

Well, it wasn't my intention, afterall, I didn't know about it at that time.
Somehow it was the force of my karma. I was in Mayapur (W. Bengal) in
March, 1998. There I met a devotee, Devarsi das, who read my and my
wife's chart and I also asked him whether I would do Jyotish and he replied
thet there was a possibility for that. Then I heard one day they were saying
that that's a good day for beginning something so I sat down and began
studying Jyotish. At tha time I only had the book of David Frawley, so I
started with that, but now I have more. Actually I became interested in
Jyotish around Sept-Oct. 1996, when my Jup-Venus Antardasha
commenced. In March I was in Jup-Ven-Sun, so I think that was a significant
time as Sun is the Lagna-pathi, Venus is Lord of 10th, Jup. is natural
karaka
of 10th, and they both aspect the 10th from the 4th. Besides that, it was
spiritually a good time also, as I was visiting the holy tirthas. So it came
about like that and I think it to be significant because Jupiter and Venus
are
two natural benefics, and they are the strongest in Shadbala after the Moon.

> 2. What do you wish to achieve by learning Jyotisha ?

I started dealing with it out of curiosity, and out of necessity, as we
needed
someone here who does marriage compatibility tests between devotees and
general necessary astrological work like finding muhurtas for samskaras etc.

The third thing is that we could preach to so many people about the values
of
Vedic culture through this medium. Many people are interested in astrology
here, but most of them don't realize that it needs to conquer the senses,
live a
pure life and worship God to become proficient in this science. And
especially they don't know that the purpose of Jyotish is also to enlighten
us
about our eternal identity as spirit souls and bring us closer to Krishna.
In the
Vedic times all sciences were used in a way supportive of the individual's
spiritual development. So when I became a householder then we discussed
with my Guru Maharaj a practical topic: how would I maintain myself and
then we came to the conclusion that I could do Jyotish and thus support
myself and my family.

Even though I'm a beginner, already I receive a lot of requests to read
charts,
give advice etc. which is especially difficult for devotees sometimes, as
Krishna changes their karma as they get purified. So I would like to become
a qualified astrologer so as not to deceive them. I never ask money for
this, if
they want to give a donation, then I accept that as a brahmin.

So these are my reasons for learning Jyotisha. I hope that I was sincere.

> 3. Give a brief synopsis of your life describing the main events with
> Jyotish. To what extent do you believe jyotish actially decided these
> events?

I'm sorry if I'm too lengthy, but my Moon is in Gemini, so I tend to
overindulge in speaking and writing. I will try to be brief although I can't
yet
speak in sutras like You. I'm using Lahiri Ayanamsha and Vimshottari Dasha.

I was born in 1971, but I think You have my planetary positions as I have
sent my data to You. So I will just refer to them. It was the end of my
Mars-Sun period. The birth time (19.40) was obtained from the nursery
home, and may not be completely accurate, but the major events fitted into
it.
According to Devarsi pr. meybe I was born a few minutes earlier.

But the Lagna would be Simha I think, as I'm quite a Leo-like person. I have
great plans and I'm never satisfied with myself, I like to be the boss, and
I
respect orthodox priciples (Vaishnavism) but I tolerate others being of
different opinion. Mars as an Atmakaraka adds to these fiery qualities as
well. Sometimes I'm quite emotional as well.

My Moon is in Gemini, Mrigasira Naksatra, also ruled by Mars, so there's
quite a lot of Mars influence. I like doing yagyas. I've learned all the
samskaras and I do them for the devotees many times. There's also quite a
few influences in my chart that show my strong attacment to sexual
pleasures.
So I'm trying to overcome this. Moon in Gemini makes me communicative, I
like to read and write, but my mind is weavering also. Moon refers mostly to
mental and intellectual abilities which I have strong I think. I speak
English
and Russian besides my native language. My Guru Maharaja once said that
I always get absorbed isn something new, and for that period of time I
think that thing ot be the most important. He was right, without knowing
about my Moon in Mithuna. But I will try to become more consistent with
astrology.

About my life events: First 19 years were Rahu Mahadasha, quite dark and
materialistic. I didn't believe in God, ate meat (Simha Lagna) and was
basically a materialist. I went to school first in Russia, since we were
living
there during my Rahu-Sani and Mercury subperiods (Sani is in 9th house,
living abroad). Then Ketu,Venus subperiods I spent in Hungary, then we
went to Russia again in Moon and Mars (Moon may indicate foreign living,
and Mars is Lord of 9th) So during Rahu-Mars subperiod I began slowly
enlighten up. I began believing in God, searching after Him in different
scriptures (Bible, Quran, and finally, Bhagavad-gita), became a vegetarian
etc. I was good at my studies, receiving good marks, (Ju and Ve in 4th) I
even went to university in computing maths (4th is Scorpio, ruler is Mars-
technical sciences).

I had a girlfriend then with whom we met in Rahu-Venus (Ra hu is in 7th, and
Venus is natural karaka of 7th house) and we had a qiute intense
realtionship
during the summer of 1990.

I became a vegetarian in Ju-Ju-Sa, and I also wanted to begin studying
astrology (western) in Ju-Ju-Me, but I found it too confusing. Maybe Krsna
saved me from having to fight my western preconceptions while studying
Vedic later. So I got the Bhagavad-gita also at that time ( I must have been
quite open for spiritual things - Jupiter is Guru and 9th karaka, Mercury is
Lord of Moon sign). When the Ju-Ju-Ketu subperiod came, quite a few deep
changes happened. I stopped my relationship with my gierlfriend (Ketu
aspects 7th, and has separating effect), because she didn't want to take
Krishna consciousness as seriously as me. So then I joined the Hare Krishna
temple in Budapest and became a monk (brahmacari) at the end of October
1990. This was the greatest change in my life. Ketu is in the 1st house, so
it
may give fundamental changes, and is called Moksha-karaka, so it liberated
me from meny worldly attachments. It also partakes of the nature of Mars,
which rules 9th and 4th (where Jupiter is) and is Atmakarak. So I was put
into a good place by Krishna. Ketu also finished up my studies at the
university.

I went to India first in 1992 Ju-Sa-Sa (also 9th
house, pligrimage to holy places), then in 94 Ju-Sa-Ju, then in 1996
Ju-Ke-Sa, then in 1998 Ju-Ve-Su, Mo. All these subperiods are suggestive of
going abroad for spiritual purposes. Although the last time I was a bit
depressed (Sun in 6th) because I had to leave my wife here, but gained a lot
(Moon in 11th). So I was a brahmacari until October 1997 and then I got
married on the instruction of my Guru Maharaj. We began associating with
my wife literally in the days when my Ju-Ve Antardasha commenced. So
Venus subperiods tend to bring relationships to me. I hope this will be the
last one and last long. We had our legal marriage on the 6th of June
(Ju-Ve-Mo) and Vivaha samskar on 9th of October (Ju-Ve-Ra). The second
one was more important, and Rahu is in 7th. I hope it won't give so much
suffering in marriage. I also got a small house in Nov. Both things were
predicted to come through although we were unsure until the last moments.

So now I'm in Ju-Ve-Sa from early summer until November. As Sani is in the
9th, it also represents guru, and dharma. I got a few important instructions
from my Guru and found You! This must be also Krishna's mercy! Of course
this Sani and Mars influence on my 9th house is not the best. I tend to be
offensive sometimes, and I get chastised often. But I hope both of You will
be merciful to me, so that I could advance. My wife's lagna is also Leo so
we
had this solar eclipse both in our 12th house. We have suffered a few losses
in reality but also gained inner realizatons from that. So Krishna was
guarding us. We were performing a special havan during the eclipse togehter
with the devotees to propitiate the adverse effect of the planets. We were
performing Visnu, Laksmi, Nrisimha, Sudarshan and Vaishnava homas. I feel
that this helped a lot.

I think that our fate is not determined by the planetary influences, but by
our
karma, or past deeds. So the planetary movements only indicate the different
karmic forces that are acting upon us. They are all Krishna's shaktis, so if
we
worship Him, we are protected from negative karma in the best way.
Nevertheless, Jyotish is a brilliant tool for ascertaining these karmic
influences, and interestingly enough describe even the personality traits
and
activities of liberated saints and even of Krishna Himself or His avatars.
My
Guru Maharaja for example has a nice pravrajya yoga in His chart.

I hope that it wasn't too boring and I look forward for Your further
instructions.

Your servant, Gauranga das

JAYA JAGANNATHA
Dear YND,
ATMA, MANA & SAREERA is the order.
Yes it will. Is the ATMA WEAK? Think on the three words above.
Sanjay
----- Original Message -----
From: YND <vedant@...>
To: Narasimha Rao <pvr@...>; Deepanshu Pandita
<dpandita@...>
Cc: <gjlist@...>; <vedic-astrology@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Sun for mahadasha


| Dear Narasimha,
|
| Hare Krishna. Jaya Sri Sri Guru Gauranga!
|
| Could you kindly explain the reasons behind this principle of judging
Maha,
| antar and pratyantar dasas taking Sun, Moon and Ascendant as Lagna. Will
it
| still hold valid if Moon or Sun are week?
|
| Sorry if you already did that on the list and I make you repeat things.
|
| Your servant
| Yasomatinandana das
|
|
| >That was me. I was talking about Mani's chart.
| >
| >This principle was a family secret of Sanjay and he mentioned it in his
| book. I
| >learnt it from him.
| >
| >Parasara said that Sun, Moon and lagna should all be taken as a
reference.
| >
| >What this principle merely means is that one of them is more important
than
| >others, depending on whether you are analyzing dasas, antardasas or
| >pratyantardasas.
| >
| >May Jupiter's light shine on us,
| >Narasimha
| >
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JAYA JAGANNATHA
Dear Gauranga,
     Being truthful is important. I appretiate this very much. The reply to
the third question shows that you are still following the typical western
methods of beating about the bush instead of coming to the point. I expect
every jyotish to be like Arjuna who could only see the "EYE OF THE BIRD".
That way the predictions are more pointed.
     You gave me a detailed description about your characteristics. There is
no need for this. I want the Major life events listed in a chronological
order with the date, time and place of the event and your reasons
(Astrological only) for these events. List at least 20 events and explain
atleast 5 events. I do not want the dasa- Bhukti reasoning for why it
happened. What I want is the combinations/placement in your Charts for the
event.
     Redo this exercise as I need to be convinced. You must be wondering as
to why I am so tough with you while I gave simpler tasks to others....Well,
you must have faith first in my abilities to test and judge correctly, then
you will also be able to learn how to test from a chart.
     Other comments are below:-
----- Original Message -----
From: Gauranga Das <gauranga@...>
To: Sanjay Rath <srath@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: Request for your help


JAYA JAGANNATHA

Dear Sanjay Rath Prabhu,

Please accept my Dandvats.

I'm sorry for answering so late, but I received Your email yesterday
evening,
and today morning I was at our temple doing puja to Sri Sri Gaura Nitai.

> Dear Gauranga Prabhu,
> Namaskar, Please convey my sincere Pranam to your Guru Maharaj.

I will, thank You.

>     Since you have been studying Jyotish, please tell me the following:-
> 1. Why did you start learning Jyotish in Jup-Venus period.

Well, it wasn't my intention, afterall, I didn't know about it at that time.
Somehow it was the force of my karma. I was in Mayapur (W. Bengal) in
March, 1998. There I met a devotee, Devarsi das, who read my and my
wife's chart and I also asked him whether I would do Jyotish and he replied
thet there was a possibility for that. Then I heard one day they were saying
that that's a good day for beginning something so I sat down and began
studying Jyotish. At tha time I only had the book of David Frawley, so I
started with that, but now I have more. Actually I became interested in
Jyotish around Sept-Oct. 1996, when my Jup-Venus Antardasha
commenced. In March I was in Jup-Ven-Sun, so I think that was a significant
time as Sun is the Lagna-pathi, Venus is Lord of 10th, Jup. is natural
karaka
of 10th, and they both aspect the 10th from the 4th. Besides that, it was
spiritually a good time also, as I was visiting the holy tirthas. So it came
about like that and I think it to be significant because Jupiter and Venus
are
two natural benefics, and they are the strongest in Shadbala after the Moon.
SRath:  WHICH HOUSES RULE JYOTISH? I WANT AN OBJECTIVE ANSWER PLEASE.
> 2. What do you wish to achieve by learning Jyotisha ?

I started dealing with it out of curiosity, and out of necessity, as we
needed
someone here who does marriage compatibility tests between devotees and
general necessary astrological work like finding muhurtas for samskaras etc.

The third thing is that we could preach to so many people about the values
of
Vedic culture through this medium. Many people are interested in astrology
here, but most of them don't realize that it needs to conquer the senses,
live a
pure life and worship God to become proficient in this science. And
especially they don't know that the purpose of Jyotish is also to enlighten
us
about our eternal identity as spirit souls and bring us closer to Krishna.
In the
Vedic times all sciences were used in a way supportive of the individual's
spiritual development. So when I became a householder then we discussed
with my Guru Maharaj a practical topic: how would I maintain myself and
then we came to the conclusion that I could do Jyotish and thus support
myself and my family.

Even though I'm a beginner, already I receive a lot of requests to read
charts,
give advice etc. which is especially difficult for devotees sometimes, as
Krishna changes their karma as they get purified. So I would like to become
a qualified astrologer so as not to deceive them. I never ask money for
this, if
they want to give a donation, then I accept that as a brahmin.

So these are my reasons for learning Jyotisha. I hope that I was sincere.
SRath: VERY GOOD & TRUTHFUL. AS YOU LEARN THE OBJECTIVE OF LEARNING WILL
ALSO INCREASE. WHEN I WAS A CHILD MY ONLY DREAM WAS TO OWN A SWEET SHOP. AS
THE LEARNING INCREASED SO DID MY OBJECTIVES. THIS IS TRUE FOR EVERY SPHERE
OF KNOWLEDGE.
> 3. Give a brief synopsis of your life describing the main events with
> Jyotish. To what extent do you believe jyotish actially decided these
> events?

I'm sorry if I'm too lengthy, but my Moon is in Gemini, so I tend to
overindulge in speaking and writing. I will try to be brief although I can't
yet
speak in sutras like You. I'm using Lahiri Ayanamsha and Vimshottari Dasha.

I was born in 1971, but I think You have my planetary positions as I have
sent my data to You. So I will just refer to them. It was the end of my
Mars-Sun period. The birth time (19.40) was obtained from the nursery
home, and may not be completely accurate, but the major events fitted into
it.
According to Devarsi pr. meybe I was born a few minutes earlier.

But the Lagna would be Simha I think, as I'm quite a Leo-like person. I have
great plans and I'm never satisfied with myself, I like to be the boss, and
I
respect orthodox priciples (Vaishnavism) but I tolerate others being of
different opinion. Mars as an Atmakaraka adds to these fiery qualities as
well. Sometimes I'm quite emotional as well.
SRath: WHY DO YOU THINK. WHY ARE YOU NOT SURE?

My Moon is in Gemini, Mrigasira Naksatra, also ruled by Mars, so there's
quite a lot of Mars influence. I like doing yagyas. I've learned all the
samskaras and I do them for the devotees many times. There's also quite a
few influences in my chart that show my strong attacment to sexual
pleasures.
So I'm trying to overcome this. Moon in Gemini makes me communicative, I
like to read and write, but my mind is weavering also. Moon refers mostly to
mental and intellectual abilities which I have strong I think. I speak
English
and Russian besides my native language. My Guru Maharaja once said that
I always get absorbed isn something new, and for that period of time I
think that thing ot be the most important. He was right, without knowing
about my Moon in Mithuna. But I will try to become more consistent with
astrology.
SRath: THIS IS NOT AN EVENT. IT IS A WEAKNESS. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN
KNOWING ABOUT YOUR WEAKNESSES AT THIS STAGE. IN ANY CASE SINCE YOU MENTION
IT, DON'T YOU THINK THIS CAN ALSO BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE 10TH LORD IN THE 4TH
HOUSE?

About my life events: First 19 years were Rahu Mahadasha, quite dark and
materialistic. I didn't believe in God, ate meat (Simha Lagna) and was
basically a materialist. I went to school first in Russia, since we were
living
there during my Rahu-Sani and Mercury subperiods (Sani is in 9th house,
living abroad). Then Ketu,Venus subperiods I spent in Hungary, then we
went to Russia again in Moon and Mars (Moon may indicate foreign living,
and Mars is Lord of 9th) So during Rahu-Mars subperiod I began slowly
enlighten up. I began believing in God, searching after Him in different
scriptures (Bible, Quran, and finally, Bhagavad-gita), became a vegetarian
etc. I was good at my studies, receiving good marks, (Ju and Ve in 4th) I
even went to university in computing maths (4th is Scorpio, ruler is Mars-
technical sciences).

I had a girlfriend then with whom we met in Rahu-Venus (Ra hu is in 7th, and
Venus is natural karaka of 7th house) and we had a qiute intense
realtionship
during the summer of 1990.
SRath: WHICH HOUSE RULES GIRLFRIENDS? SHOULD WE NOT SEE THE NAVAMSA IF THE
RELATIONSHIP WAS MORE THAN JUST "GIRLFRIEND"? PLEASE READ THIS ALSO.

I became a vegetarian in Ju-Ju-Sa,
  SRath:WHY?
  and I also wanted to begin studying
astrology (western) in Ju-Ju-Me, but I found it too confusing. Maybe Krsna
saved me from having to fight my western preconceptions while studying
Vedic later. So I got the Bhagavad-gita also at that time ( I must have been
quite open for spiritual things - Jupiter is Guru and 9th karaka, Mercury is
Lord of Moon sign). When the Ju-Ju-Ketu subperiod came, quite a few deep
changes happened.
SRath: WHY? IS IT BECAUSE OF KETU IN 1ST OR IN 10TH FROM JUPITER?
  I stopped my relationship with my gierlfriend (Ketu
aspects 7th, and has separating effect)
SRath: NO SUCH THING AS "SEPARATING EFFECT". PLEASE QUOTE THE SUTRA FOR THE
"SEPARATING EFFECT". THERE IS A VERY SPECIFIC REASON. TRY TO ANSWER THIS.

, because she didn't want to take
Krishna consciousness as seriously as me.
SRath: THAT WAS THE EXCUSE.

So then I joined the Hare Krishna
temple in Budapest and became a monk (brahmacari) at the end of October
1990. This was the greatest change in my life. Ketu is in the 1st house, so
it
may give fundamental changes, and is called Moksha-karaka, so it liberated
me from meny worldly attachments.
SRath: WHAT ARE THE COMBINATIONS FOR TAPASWI YOGA? SHOULD THIS NOT APPLY IN
YOUR CHART?

  It also partakes of the nature of Mars,
which rules 9th and 4th (where Jupiter is) and is Atmakarak. So I was put
into a good place by Krishna. Ketu also finished up my studies at the
university.
SRath: NO, THAT IS NOT THE REASON. WHICH HOUSE DOES KETU OWN AND WHICH
PLANETS DOES IT DISPOSIT?

I went to India first in 1992 Ju-Sa-Sa (also 9th
house, pligrimage to holy places),
SRath: SATURN IN 9TH IS BAD FOR DHARMA, THEY WHY THIS EXCEPTION FOR YOU? I
THINK IN SANI DASA YOU WILL COME TO STAY IN INDIA FOR LONG PERIODS. WHY?

  then in 94 Ju-Sa-Ju, then in 1996
Ju-Ke-Sa, then in 1998 Ju-Ve-Su, Mo. All these subperiods are suggestive of
going abroad for spiritual purposes. Although the last time I was a bit
depressed (Sun in 6th) because I had to leave my wife here, but gained a lot
(Moon in 11th).
SRath: FINE

So I was a brahmacari until October 1997 and then I got
married on the instruction of my Guru Maharaj. We began associating with
my wife literally in the days when my Ju-Ve Antardasha commenced. So
Venus subperiods tend to bring relationships to me. I hope this will be the
last one and last long.
SRath: EXPLAIN THE EVENT USING THE DARAPADA AND UPAPADA.

We had our legal marriage on the 6th of June
(Ju-Ve-Mo) and Vivaha samskar on 9th of October (Ju-Ve-Ra). The second
one was more important, and Rahu is in 7th. I hope it won't give so much
suffering in marriage.
SRath: EXPLAIN THE EVENT USING THE DARAPADA AND UPAPADA.
  I also got a small house in Nov. Both things were
predicted to come through although we were unsure until the last moments.
SRath: WHO PREDICTED AND WHAT WAS THE BASIS?

So now I'm in Ju-Ve-Sa from early summer until November. As Sani is in the
9th, it also represents guru, and dharma. I got a few important instructions
from my Guru and found You! This must be also Krishna's mercy! Of course
this Sani and Mars influence on my 9th house is not the best. I tend to be
offensive sometimes, and I get chastised often. But I hope both of You will
be merciful to me, so that I could advance.
SRath: THE HOUSES OWNED BY THE ATMAKARAKA INDICATES THE DIRECTIONS FROM
WHICH THE VOICE OF GOD WILL BE HEARD. (LESSON #1) DOES YOUR AK HAVE ANY
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE 11TH HOUSE?

My wife's lagna is also Leo so we
had this solar eclipse both in our 12th house. We have suffered a few losses
in reality but also gained inner realizatons from that. So Krishna was
guarding us. We were performing a special havan during the eclipse togehter
with the devotees to propitiate the adverse effect of the planets. We were
performing Visnu, Laksmi, Nrisimha, Sudarshan and Vaishnava homas. I feel
that this helped a lot.
SRath: VERY GOOD. MAY SRI JAGANNATHA BLESS THE HOME.

I think that our fate is not determined by the planetary influences,
SRath: FATE IS DETERMINED BY THE PLANETS, BUT KARMA IS DIFFERENT. FATE SHOWS
THE SITUATIONS A PERSON WILL BE IN WHEREAS KARMA SHOWS HOW THE PERSON REACTS
TO THESE SITUATIONS. THUS IN JYOTISH WE MUST HAVE TWO PARALLEL AND
SIMULTANEOUSLY OPERATING DASA SYSTEMS TO DETERMINE (A) FATE AND (B) THE
REACTION/KARMA OR ANUBHAVA. THE BEST TWO ACCORDING TO ME ARE (A) NARAYANA
DASA & (B) VIMSOTTARI DASA.

but by our karma, or past deeds. So the planetary movements only indicate
the different
karmic forces that are acting upon us.
SRath: IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY WE HARDLY USE PLANETARY MOVEMENTS, AND RELY MORE
ON THE FIXED KUNDALI. KARMIC FORCES DO NOT ACT ON US. THESE ARE IN THE FORM
OF PAST GOOD KARMA (JUP) & BAD KARMA (SAT) ATTACHED TO THE ATMA (SUN) THAT
TENDS TO BRIGHTEN OR BLUR THE LIGHT OF THE ATMA (SUN) THAT COMES TO THE MANA
(MOON). THUS AT DIFFERENT TIMES THE MANA IS RECEIVING DIFFERENT LEVELS OF
LIGHT FROM THE ATMA...THIS IS SIGNIFIED BY JUPITER CALLED JEEVA. NOW,THE
ICCHA SHAKTI (DESIRE) IS THE CAUSE OF REBIRTH AND EVEN THE DESIRE FOR MOKSHA
IS AN ATTACHMENT THAT MAY CAUSE REBIRTH. THESE ICCHA (DESIRE) ARE SEEN FROM
VENUS. THUS, THESE TWO JUPITER AND VENUS BECOME THE TWO GURU'S OF THE
CHART...ONE SHOWING THE LIGHT OF THE ATMA AND THE OTHER SHOWING THE DESIRES
AND WAYS TO FULFIL THEM.

They are all Krishna's shaktis, so if we
worship Him, we are protected from negative karma in the best way.
SRath: KARMA IS IN YOUR HANDS. THAT IS WHY IT WAS NECESSARY FOR BHAGAVAN TO
TAKE SO MUCH TROUBLE TO EXPLAIN THE BHAGAVAT GITA TO ARJUNA. IF KRSNA
WANTED, THERE WAS NO NEED TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO ARJUNA. HE COULD SIMPLY
HAVE ORDERED HIM TO FIGHT. BUT BHAGAVAN IS DHARMA HIMSELF AND BY HIS ACTION
OF EXPLAINING SHOWED THE GREATEST TRUTH...EVEN WHEN WE BECOME GURU'S WE
SHOULD TRY TO EXPLAIN INSTEAD OF ORDERING AROUND. THE HOUSES CONTROLLING
KARMA ARE CALLED THE UPACHAYA OR THE HOUSES OF GROWTH. THESE ARE THE 3RD,
6TH,10TH & 11TH. NOW TELL ME WHY THESE HOUSES WERE CHOSEN. WHY NOT OTHERS.

Nevertheless, Jyotish is a brilliant tool for ascertaining these karmic
influences, and interestingly enough describe even the personality traits
and
activities of liberated saints and even of Krishna Himself or His avatars.
My
Guru Maharaja for example has a nice pravrajya yoga in His chart.

I hope that it wasn't too boring and I look forward for Your further
instructions.
SRath: NOTHING CAN EVER BE BORING FOR A TEACHER. THE DAY HE GETS BORED, HE
IS NO LONGER QUALIFIED TO TEACH.

Your servant, Gauranga das

Hare Krishna,
Sanjay
P.S. I am also sending this to the Astrology Class for all to benefit.

----- Original Message -----
From: David LaGrone <dvdlagr@...>
To: Sanjay Rath <srath@...>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: does my chart need rectification


| >JAYA JAGANNATHA
| >Dear David,
| >    Necessarily Yes. A conjunction/aspect of the seventh lord with the
tenth
| >lord would also indicate the loss of the second pregnancy. The sixth lord
is
| >also to be seen as the second cause of loss of child.
| >Best Regards,
| >Sanjay Rath
|
| namaste, Sanjay!
|
| Thank you, again, for confirming my thought...and for adding the
additional
| lession.
|
| ...namaste...David
|
| David LaGrone Your AdvoCare Distributor
| P. O. Box 832736 (972) 930-0802
| Richardson, TX  75083-2736 E-mail: dvdlagr@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Das Goravani, pres.dmi <Das@...>
To: <gjlist@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 1:10 AM
Subject: God by the Numbers


|
| Hi gang, here's some numbers for fun.
|
| These were sent to me by two different persons. More were sent and I
| lost them.
|
| Anyway, it's a topic of interest for sure.
|
| --------------------
|
|
| Here we go:
|
|
| First, meet the players:
|
| Hi I'm 1.
| I'm 2
| I'm 3
| I'm 4
| I'm 5
|
| Pretty much we're gonna do everything with just the fingers on Krishnas
| hands. In fact, that's probably exactly what he did.
|
| Now, the players combine themselves in all kinds of ways and make
| unlimited beautiful artwork. Here's just some hilites from their
| dancing, which if you want to witness first hand, just, well, look
| around.
|
|
|
| -----------------------
|
| Hi Das,
|
| One more quick thing.    Did you notice that when you divide 360 by
3.33333
| you get
| 108.000010800001080000108 (and so on).
|
| Then if you divide 360 by 3.333333333 (for example) you get
| 108.0000000108000000010800000001080 (and so on).
|
| I think its very interesting that you get 108 repeating like this
depending
| on how many 3s are used.
|
| John
| -----------------------
| Somewhere in scriptures I also read that He (Sri Krsn) had 1,440 sons,
this=
|  also made me curious, I pondered and asked for divine explanation:
|
| This is what I got:
|
| Hours in a day: 24 hours
| Minutes in an hour: 60 minutes
| Seconds in a minute: 60 seconds
|
| So the answer I got is 24 X 60 =3D 1,440 this means that every minute or=
|  second is Krsna's child
|
| Look at the following examples:
|
| If we take this figure 1,440 and divide it by 108 we get: 13.333333 which=
|  could be given your description. Except the number 1 in the begining
being=
|  Sri Krsna.
|
| If this figure 1,440 is divided by the 27 nakshatras we get 53.333333,
here=
|  the first digit (5) could mean the five elements.(?!)
|
| If this figure 1,440 is divided by the 13.20 degrees of the Nakshatras we=
|  get: 109.090909 (the 108 beads of the japa mala and the sumeru: the
109th=
|  bead. Zero being the number of the omni present or Omkar and number nine=
|  being the number of Ketu...success in three (?) planes of existence.
Could=
|  this also mean that the existence is infinite... never ending story...=
|  that is the .09090909090909090909090909 and so on...
|
| If this figure 1,440 is divided by 4 we get 360 the degrees in a circle;
|
| If this figure 1,440 is divided by 360 degrees we get:
| the figure 4 the four Yugas and/or the four fruits of life: Dharma, Kama,=
|  Artha, Moksha.
|
| If this figure 1,440 is divided by the number of the 12 zodiacs; we get=
|  figure: 120 that is the age expectancy and the Vimshottari Dasha.
|
| If this figure 1,440 is divided by 24 we get the figure 60; the number of=
|  the Harmonic charts.
|
| If this figure 1,440 is divided by 24 we get the figure 60; the names of=
|  the 60 Shashtiamsas and also the sixty samvatsars.
|
| If this figure 1,440 is divided by the 30 tithis of the months; the
figure=
|  we arrive is 96. This is a very unique  figure. Every human being is 96=
|  fingers long if counted with their own fingers. 48 fingers from the
navel=
|  down and 48 fingers above the navel. The counting is done from the first=
|  joint or base of the fingers on the palm...
|
| I am doing more research on this 1,440 figure. However, this is all I
have=
|  got to offer for the time being...
|
| If however, you come across, any more to add... please share those valued=
|  thoughts with me...
|
| I have a suggestion: Like many web rings we have on the internet... would=
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| With profound love,
| Your friend from Trinidad,
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| Vedic Astrologer from India
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|
|
| So the question is,
|
| Does "Krishna have 108 girlfriends" and "1440 sons" because these
| numbers are "in nature" and thus the ancients "made myths" around
| natural truths to "teach simple people yogic science"
|
| or
|
| Are these numbers in nature because they remind God of things He likes,
| or because, since this is the higher nature, that in fact there are 108
| principle Gopis in and on the Highest Plane of Goloka Vrndavan, and that
| therefore their natures MUST be reflected here so that we can learn
| their natures and ways, and thus also become fully trained in pleasing
| God and each other, since we're all "their children"?
|
|
| I vote #2, hands down.
|
|
| Thanks,
|
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DRAFT ARTICLE BY SRI GOEL: COMMENTS INVITED. Please do not circulate the
material given in this list.
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SUN RISE



The occurance of SUN RISE and SUN SET are very important phenomenon in the
every day life of living being on the Planet Earth. All activity on the
mother earth commences with the break of day i.e. SUN-RISE.
All process of our life in all fields like Economic, Civil , Religious
activities are related and dependent on SUN-RISE since ancient days. If it
is so vital and important for all the living beings on this mother earth, it
is natural to ask some of the following Questions :

(1) What is SUN-RISE and SUN-SET ?
(2) How is it measured or defined ?
(3) Has it got different meaning and purpose, in the parlance of astrology?
(4) What is the significance and its role in civil and religious life of the
society as a whole ?

We should  examine the  phenomenon  of   SUN-RISE :
1.0 TWILIGHT(USHA-KALA)

The time interval preceeding SUN RISE  and following SUN SET during which
the sky is partially illuminated is called TWILIGHT, the illumination before
SUN RISE is called Morning Twilight(or USHA-KALA) after SUN-SET is called
Evening Twilight. The Twilight is further divided in the following parts :

1.1 ASTRONOMICAL  TWILIGHT (18 deg.)

This Twilight timing relate to the instant when the centre of  the SUN is 18
deg. below  the horizon . This is defined as Astronomical Twilight, now a
days . Brahma Mahurta, Usha kala and Shandya kala commences after the
commencement of Astronomical Twilight depending on the sanctions of  Rishis
in Dharmashastras. According to Vedic  Sanction, all human beings after
attending  their morning  natural call, should commence worship, perform
other  rituals and undertake pences   during this period.

1.2 NAUTICAL TWILIGHT(12 deg.)

The timing relate to the instant when the centre of the SUN is 12 deg. below
horizon and is called Nautical Twilight. This is mainly used  for
navigational  purposes as the brightness in the Sky is further increased.

1.3 CIVIL TWILIGHT(6 deg.)

This Timing  relate to the instant  when the center of  SUN is 6 de. below
horizon and is called civil Twilight. The brightness in the sky is
sufficient to commence activities without the help of any artificial light
by all living beings on the Earth.

2.0 SUN-RISE

This is indicated and defined as follows :

2.1 ASTRONOMICAL(ASTROLOGICAL)SUN-RISE

The timing relate to the instant when the centre of SUN coincides with the
horizon is called Astronomical SUN-RISE in the morning and SUN-SET in the
evening .

It should be remembered that longitudes of SUN, MOON and other bodies are
measured from the centre of the Earth and relate to the centre of the
Planets. The Lunar phases that tithes are also relate to the centre of the
SUN and MOON. The Astronomical day and night become equal on the day of
Accurance of Equinoxes.



2.2 SUN RISE -Visibility of the upper limb.

This relates to the visibility of upper limb of sun in the horizon. This is
called the day break. The commencement of SAVAN DAYor CIVIL DAY relates to
the visibility of the upper limb of the SUN on the horizon (and  not the
coincidence of the upper limb with the horizon) and as such include
refraction  and limb-correction of about  3 & 1/2 min.(3 min. upto 10 deg.
Lat, 4min. For 30 deg to 35 deg. Lat).The time relating  to the visibility
of upper limb in an important occurrence every day. Our Rishis in Vedas
called in commencement of SAVAN DAY(CIVIL DAY in common terminology).The
TIthis, Nakshastras and Vara relating to this timing are used to commence
different rituals  and penances(like Vrat etc.).Therefore, This is used to
decide various auspious mahaurtas etc. also in some cases.

3.0 Some definitions  are given below These will help to choose appropriate
timing for different Astrological/civil purposes.


3.1 Solar Day : The duration  of Solar day is 24hrs(60 Ghatis) equivalent of
the time the Earth completes a rotation of 360 deg. about its own axis. This
is standard measurement of time.

3.2 Sidereal Year :  The sidereal year is the mean period of revolution of
the earth in its orbit with respect to the back ground of starts(from a
fixed star to a  fixed star ). The length of mean sidereal Solar Year is 365
days  6 hr.  9 min  96.8sec.

3.3 Sidereal day: The Sidereal day is shorter than  the solar day, because
by the time  the earth completes a rotation about its axis, the SUN slips
nearly a degree to the earth  and is of 23 hr. 56m 4.09053 sec. of mean
solar day .

3.4 Tropical Year : This is also called civil year or year of seasons. This
is equivalent to the time of passage of SUN from one Vernal Equinox to the
next Vernal Equinox. This could also be defined by the time elapsed during
successive passage of SUN on entry from Southern Hemisphere to Northern
Hemisphere  over the celestial Equator. Due to pression of equinoxes by a
mean value of 50''.29 during the year , length of Tropical Year is less than
Sidereal Year by about 20m 25 secs as at present. The duration of Tropical
Year is 365 d 5 h 48 m 45.2 sec.

In Vedic Era i.e. atleast upto Mahabharat  Era ,Tropical Solar Year along
with lunar Months were in vouge ,so that our calender is in complete unision
and conformity with seasons(Ritus).
There are many refrences in vedas and Puranas to this effect.In  Vishnu
Puranas, Sage Purana has clearly mentioned in sloka 2/10/4





At present, we  are following  Saka Solar  Year and Vikram  Sambat based on
Sidereal Solar Year.With the result ,our present calendar is not in harmony
with seasons and Ritus and is ahead by about 23days from the natural cycle
of Ritus(seasons).We should adopt our calendar as per vedic Sanction as it
has already become late.

3.5 Savan Year : The moths of the calendar  consists of 30 days each and the
year is of 360 days.This year is basically adopted for relegious rituals and
penances. This is also called the "Atma" of  all calendar(s) as the counting
of days is even and  uniform.For Astrological calculations , traditional
Panchang makers  use kaliyuga Era and the Julian calendar (one year equal to
365.25 day) is used  by Modern Astronomers.The purpose of savarn calendar is
distinctly different, and some Astrologers use Savan era for calculations of
Directional periods under some wrong  motions.

3.6 Savan Day :Every day commence on the visibility of  upper limb of the
SUN on the horizon and  (not with coincidence of upper limb with the
horizon).

4.0 Conclusion and Infrence :

4.1  Astronomical SUN-RISE should be adopted for all asrological
calculations like calculation of  ascendent , M:C,Hora Langa,Ghati
Langa,Mandi,Gulika,other upgrahas etc.

4.2  SUN-Rise related to the visibility of upper limb-commencement of
Savan/civil day
This should be a dopted for rituals, penance and other religious of civil
activities. Varsha-Miliara has referred this SUN-Rise only in this context.
This time should not be mis understood with astronomical SUN-RISE.

4.3  The approriate SUN-RISE timing as mentioned at Sl. Nos. 4.1 and 4.2
should be adopted with fixing up Mahastas according to the sanction and
requirement of Mahaurta Shastra.

4.4 The same rules would be applicable to SUN-SET and Evening Twilight.

4.5  The Astronomical day is shorter by 7 to 9 Minute in duration depending
on lattitude and Visa-Versa  in the case of duration of night.

4.6 Astronomical day and night becomes equal on the day of occurance of
Vernal and autumnal Equinoxes.

4.7  Dinman and Ratri-man  are related to Astronomial SUN-RISE and SUN-SET.
They are not based on Savan-Day(Civil Day) for Astrological Calculations.

4.8  Period between two successive SUN-RISE(S) is never equal to 24 hours
(60 Ghatis), and is always less or more than this period (accept two days in
one year). Therefore Istha i.e, time of birth elapsed from SUN-RISE can be
more than 24 hours (60 Ghatis) in some cases.

4.9 According to the practice in vaidic period, Tropical Solar year should
be adopted with Lunar Months so that, the rituals and festivals should be in
unision and haromony with the seasons and Ritus. Occurance of the day of
Equinoxes and solstices are related to Tropical Signs. It is wrong to say
that SUN adopts Northern course on the day of occurance of Sidereal  Makar
Sankaranti both from Astronomical and Astrological stand point the slake is
very significant in this regard which refers to dual Zodiac.The  Sloka 4 of
chapter one of Birhat-Jatak is very significant in this regard which gives a
suggetion about dual Zordial.

4.9.1CALENDAR: For calendarical proposes, we should follow Tropical Zodicac
commencing from the day or point of accurance of vernal Equinox. Lunar
Months should follow Tropical  solar Months as per scheme laid down in
Vishnu Purna Second Ansha, Chapter Ten. First Solar Tropical Month shall be
Madhu Masha and corresponding Lunar Month should be called chaitra followed
by Scheme suggested in this chapter. In nutt-sell, we should adopt Tropical
Rashis and Nakshatras for calendarical purposes and weather forecast. Ardra
Pravesh Kundli should be made for Tropical Ardra which is Astronomically
logical.

4.9.2  For Astrological predictions, we have to adopt Sidereal Zodiac which
is dependant on Transit of Moon. Our vedas and puranas are full of
predictions based on the transit of planet in the fixed (Sidereal)
Nakshastras and Stars, as  per sanction of saga-prasar. We should follow
Sidereal Rasis and Nabshtras for prediction purposes. Parasar, as well
Varsha-Mihri themselves has taken star chitra as a reference point.
It may be mentioned that when both zodiac coindided on 285 AD, the star
spica (Chitra & Virgins) was at 180 degree Opposite to the V.E.Point. This
day was defined for commencement of New Era or Calendar. As star chitra has
annual proper motion of (-) 0.028 seconds .  This Star has already shifted
by about 57 sec. since 285 A.D in reverse direction. As such, all longitudes
of the planets given  in Lahiri Ephemises should be increased by 57 Sec. for
the year 1999. Only then, we are following true-Chitra-Pakshya-Anamsa. This
anyamsa has the sanction of both sage parsar and varsha-Mihiri.

4.9.3 Western Astrologers are using Tropical Zodiac and Indian Astrologers
are using sidereal Zodia both for Calender and Astrological purposes.
Tropical Zodiac should be used for calendarical  purposes and sidereal
zodiac for Astrological purposes.

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