United States Official Register 1861

Navy Ships of the Line

NAME    GUNS     TONS    BUILT      YEAR    SITUATION            LOCATION 1861

Ohio     84      2,757  Brooklyn   1820  In commission Receiving Ship, Boston

North Carolina 84 2,633 Philadelphia 1820   do    Rec'ving Ship      New York

Vermont  84      2,633  Charlestown  1848    In ordinary              Boston

New Orleans  84  2,805 Sackett's Harbor 1815 On the stocks      Sackett's Harbor

Alabama   84     2,633 Kittery        1818         do                  Kittery

Virginia  84     2,633 Charlestown    1818         do                   Boston

I have added to the photos of the Pennsylvania a paiting by Butterworth
showing the ship probably entering the Chesapeake upon her arrival from
Philadelphia. If anyone can identify the light house in left side of
the painting, please let me know.
This painting will be offered at Christie's Maritime Auction in New
York on January 31. To see it and the other offerings go to
Christies.com and click on auction schedule and scroll down to January
31.    PC Coker

Hi;
   One of the ship modelling magazines had a 3-part article years ago on
the smaller Lake Erie warships from the war of 1812. Which magazine and
which volumes? Does anyone have these articles that I can get copies of?
Thanks
Chuck

The latest issue of PROCEEDINGS has an article on USS Pennsylvania.
Bob Santos

--- Bob Santos <santmin@...> wrote:

> The latest issue of PROCEEDINGS has an article on
> USS Pennsylvania.
> Bob Santos
>
>
Hi Bob,
     Thanks for the tip. I have not subscribed to the
Proceedings in 40 years. Any chance you could scan the
photos and article and add it to the data base on the
Forum?
               Happy New Year,
                PC Coker


      
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I stumbled on the existence of a book that some of you may be
interested in:

America's Line of Battle: Its Construction & History
by T. D. Shiflett
published December 2005

Currently available through Amazon.com for $11.04.  I've ordered one
but have not yet received it so I can't speak to the content.  However,
I have a feeling it's similar to the History of U.S. Ships of the Line
found in the Links section of this forum.

Rick

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Bob

First, thanks for the membership in this forum. I have a few questions
regarding these ships.

  First question, were the USN SOL's delineated by classes like the
Constitution class ships were? If so which ships belonged to a class
and what was the chronological order of the classes.

  Second question, These ships are refered to 74 gun vessels but I see
thay were capable of carrying many more guns than their "rate". So, was
the term used as a general type term or was that considered a minimum
of canon for these vessels as designed?

  Third question, the Pennsylvania had three gun decks, most of the
other SOL's had two. Was the Pennsy the largest USN SOL built or did
she have sister ships also?

  Thanks for any replies.
    Cheers,
     Jon

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Hi Jon,     I am not an expert on the American SOLs but have done a lot of reading, research, and built 3 models of the Delaware.     They were divided into classes of sorts. First was the Continental America, then some design work was done in the late 1790s for a 74 that was not built. During the War of 1812 the Washington, Franklin, and Independence were built and were considered sisters with mostly minor variations. They were true 74s but were not considered successful as they were poor sailers and in general not up to snuff for the weight of the guns they carried so Franklin and Indepence were cut down to large frigates and lasted well past the Civil War. I am not sure about Washington.     Next came the Columbus which was considered by some the prototype for the  North Carolina class but slightly smaller. Her lower guns when fully loaded were barely three feet above the water in places. Following her was the North Carolina, cosidered at the time of her first Med deployment in 1824 to be the finest warship in the world. She and Delaware were sisters as was Ohio but the latter had some minor differences. Vermont and New Hampshire were also sisters but completed during the 1840s when the ship type was definitely obsolete. At the very least they should have been given steam power like their foreign contemporaries.    Last came the lumbering Pennsylvania with three gun decks and the largest sailing warship built for the US. As far as I know she only went to sea once sailing from Philadelphia where she was built to Norfolk where she spent most of her life. She was too expensive to operate in peace time and pretty much a waste of money.     The rating of these ships is full of conflicting opinions. Some say that a rate was determined by the number of covered guns so that carronades on the spar deck were not included. Others say that it was the dimensions that determined the rate. I know that the North Carolinas were really 80+ gun ships and equivalent to many British three deckers. But over the course of time, a ship type tends to grow in size so that a Revolutionary War 74 would be dwarfed by at post-War of 1812 74. For the most part I would just accept the rating as given and leave it at that as it is pretty much like comparing a World War II destroyer to a contemporary one---difficult to keep in perspective.     Most of this information is in the links and files section of the web site. There is also a lot of information and plans in Chapelle's History of the American Sailing Navy. There are bits and pieces on the internet, most of which I have added to the links section. If you know of any others, please add them as well as illustrations.     Hope this helps and that you will add some information to the group.                                             PC Coker                                            Moderator   First, thanks for the membership in this forum. I have a few questions regarding these ships. First question, were the USN SOL's delineated by classes like the Constitution class ships were? If so which ships belonged to a class and what was the chronological order of the classes. Second question, These ships are refered to 74 gun vessels but I see thay were capable of carrying many more guns than their "rate". So, was the term used as a general type term or was that considered a minimum of canon for these vessels as designed? Third question, the Pennsylvania had three gun decks, most of the other SOL's had two. Was the Pennsy the largest USN SOL built or did she have sister ships also? Thanks for any replies. Cheers, Jon

PC I believe you noted that the 74 Gun SOL thread over in the Fine
Scale Modeler Ship Forum had incorrect information in it. What
discrepancies did you find?

Greetings-

I have a couple of questions about the USS Virginia that never put to sea.  I
see on other posts in this forum that one of the other vessels was originally
named Virginia (can't remember which off-hand) - does anyone know the reason for
this?

Also, there seem to be pictures of every other Ship of the Line, but nothing in
the gallery for Virginia.  I've seen one print of the Virginia being built, but
does anyone have any other drawings or anything?  If not, which of the other
ships was most like the Virginia?

I'm working on a website on ships named Virginia and there is not much out there
on this vessel.

Thanks for any and all information.

Tim
Haymarket, Virginia

Have you tried the Dictionary of American Fighting Ships online?  They don't
have much, but they do say that she was a North Carolina class.
http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/line/virginia.htm



--- In usshipsoftheline@yahoogroups.com, "virginiaship" <virginiaship@...>
wrote:
>
> Greetings-
>
> I have a couple of questions about the USS Virginia that never put to sea.  I
see on other posts in this forum that one of the other vessels was originally
named Virginia (can't remember which off-hand) - does anyone know the reason for
this?
>
> Also, there seem to be pictures of every other Ship of the Line, but nothing
in the gallery for Virginia.  I've seen one print of the Virginia being built,
but does anyone have any other drawings or anything?  If not, which of the other
ships was most like the Virginia?
>
> I'm working on a website on ships named Virginia and there is not much out
there on this vessel.
>
> Thanks for any and all information.
>
> Tim
> Haymarket, Virginia
>

Tim,

The book titled, The History of The Sailing Navy—The Ships and Their
Development," by Howard I. Chapelle, documents three ships named "Virginia."

1st was a 28 gun Frigate built in 1776.
2nd was a 14 gun Revenue cutter built in 1798.
3rd one was a 74 gun Ship of the line that was started in 1818, never finished
and broken up on its stocks in 1874.

Much more detail is contained in the book covering your questions.

….Bruce Nielsen


--- In usshipsoftheline@yahoogroups.com, "virginiaship" <virginiaship@...>
wrote:
>
> Greetings-
>
> I have a couple of questions about the USS Virginia that never put to sea.  I
see on other posts in this forum that one of the other vessels was originally
named Virginia (can't remember which off-hand) - does anyone know the reason for
this?
>
> Also, there seem to be pictures of every other Ship of the Line, but nothing
in the gallery for Virginia.  I've seen one print of the Virginia being built,
but does anyone have any other drawings or anything?  If not, which of the other
ships was most like the Virginia?
>
> I'm working on a website on ships named Virginia and there is not much out
there on this vessel.
>
> Thanks for any and all information.
>
> Tim
> Haymarket, Virginia
>

Thanks for the quick replies.  I've done research on the ships in question -
actually there are 15 vessels named VIRGINIA that have appeared in the various
'navies' of this country - whether it be pre-US, USRC, USN or CSN.  What I'm
looking for is specifics on this Virginia - for example, why one of the other
ship of the lines was originally named Virginia and then changed.  I'll take a
look for that book and see if they have any clarification...

Tim

--- In usshipsoftheline@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Nielsen" <blnielsen@...> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> The book titled, The History of The Sailing Navy—The Ships and Their
Development," by Howard I. Chapelle, documents three ships named "Virginia."
>
> 1st was a 28 gun Frigate built in 1776.
> 2nd was a 14 gun Revenue cutter built in 1798.
> 3rd one was a 74 gun Ship of the line that was started in 1818, never finished
and broken up on its stocks in 1874.
>
> Much more detail is contained in the book covering your questions.
>
> ….Bruce Nielsen
>
>
> --- In usshipsoftheline@yahoogroups.com, "virginiaship" <virginiaship@> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings-
> >
> > I have a couple of questions about the USS Virginia that never put to sea. 
I see on other posts in this forum that one of the other vessels was originally
named Virginia (can't remember which off-hand) - does anyone know the reason for
this?
> >
> > Also, there seem to be pictures of every other Ship of the Line, but nothing
in the gallery for Virginia.  I've seen one print of the Virginia being built,
but does anyone have any other drawings or anything?  If not, which of the other
ships was most like the Virginia?
> >
> > I'm working on a website on ships named Virginia and there is not much out
there on this vessel.
> >
> > Thanks for any and all information.
> >
> > Tim
> > Haymarket, Virginia
> >
>