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For those that have already received the message, please refrain from further
debate.

Regards,
Jan


----- Original Message -----
From: "JAMES BATES" <wolfman...@...>
To: <tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 17:16
Subject: Spam Alert: Re: [tt-welcome] Robert Fisk Article

<snip>

This is no place to advertise for "real estate project that will grow ever more
profitable".

Message removed from archive, poster moderated.

Regards,
Jan

----- Original Message -----
From: "SR" <Swamini@...>
To: "tt-welcome" <tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 16:56
Subject: [tt-welcome] Secure Mountain Retreat

<snip>

I don't think this has anything to do with the subject
at hand, the return of the planet.
I personally don't like the man who is in the White
House
and wish he and the rest of the imposters were on the
front lines of Iraq.
  But right now we are trying to make sense of the
issue at hand (at least for this site).
  Has anyone anymore information about the Planet?
Thanks.......

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this thursday is the day, yes?
in which direction should we all be looking and will
it be visible in the daytime?

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The Zeta's did not say it would be visible in the daytime in the the
beginning of the naked eye visability period. It will be visible to the naked
eye in the evening if you look southwest between Orion and Taurus. Just south
and of where the v shape of taurus presents its self. As the time grogresses
it will become visible in the daytime hours once it is close enough to
reflect enough sunlight.

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I really do care about the people at this website. As I have said
before I came here in response to a client who was so full of fear
he couldn't function. I stayed and read every word to find out for
myself what it was all about. After doing so I used ONLY the
information provided by the "Zetas" to try and show you how
incorrect and corrupt this information is ......  it simply does not
add up and contradicts itself from one area to the next.

For that I was attacked and dismissed as another "disinformation"
person sent to destract you from the truth.  A few of you actually
followed up and checked out the same information for yourselves and
saw exactly what I did. You don't have to be a rocket scientist -
you just have to actually think for yourself .. Has it ever occured
to you that the whole of ZetaTalk might be one of the most well
organized disinformation sites?

I know that my words will probably fall on deaf ears but at least I
will know that I did not turn my back and tried to help.  Look at
the world around you. We have a whole nation that used to be
respected by the world attacking and killing another nation - they
have knowingly done so with the only proof being a plagiarized
college student's thesis from ten years ago and  proven forged
documents. Bin Ladin morphed into Saddam Hussein and children lie in
streets torn apart - free at last by the mighty American army.

How can you watch this and not start asking who is pulling your
strings? Please start thinking for yourselves!  The most brilliant
way to control a real event is by creating a false one ahead of time
so that no one pays attention.

I challenge any of you who really want to at least open your mind to
go click on the file below. Quit blindly attacking anyone who
challenges your fear.  Challenge it yourself!  Your life is not in
any danger from Planet X in May but your freedom is!

http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/clip33.rm

I love you Sherlock.

The fear, hatred and meanspiritedness by mo fo's like whitewolfspiritus when
people write the Truth or even try to express the Truth of what is occurring in
the world ~ like the article by the extremely service-to-other Robert Fisk about
the human massacre taking place in Iraq ~ unbelievable how that information was
received by tt-forum and tt--welcome.  I was called names and told how I am
bitter and angry ~ just by sharing an article which was on the front page of the
Auckland Herald!  Christ!

I live in America but I left here in 1990 because I could not comprehend the
utter stupidity and heartlessness of the American people.  Survival. 
Unbelievable that for the first time in most Americans lives they are thinking
about survival.  Why?  Because the rest of the world has been paying the price
for our pleasant and abundant lifestyle.  Doh.  Most Americans do not question,
or examine or even look at what is going outside their own mean little sphere of
non-reality.  Television is the end-all and be-all of most Americans' existence.

Returning here last year from Australia ~ after 12 years ~ I was aghast at the
continued stupidity and ignorance.  You know, I don't really care about the
bloody American troops.  I'm sorry.  They chose to fight for stupidity ~ not
freedom ~ not to kill Saddam Hussein, a man who was in bed with the Bush Sr and
the American goverment for many, many years.  Saddam just got tired of sucking
dick and told the USA to fuck off ~ they had no rights to Iraqi oil.  Saddam is
certainly not good.  But I think he has been somewhat reformed.  Say this to an
American?  He/she will punch you in the face.  American troops are murdering
innocent Iraqi women and children.  Liberation, is of course, what the US gov't
calls it.

So I get blasted by folks on zetatalk for mentioning the war.  I have a phone
conversation with a person who is passionate about zetatalk who was in orgasmic
glee about the bombing in Iraq and how they deserved it by what "they" did to
USA on 911.  I asked him if he read zetatalk?  Have you read what was said about
911 on zetatalk?

Very confusing.  I'm not so sure about zetatalk anymore because I think it is
somewhat an intellectual exercise for many of those involved.  And fear. 
Unbelievable fear.

The opposite of fear is love.  I have written many emails here about what I
perceived as "Love" on zetatalk, and not a single response.

So where is the Love?


----- Original Message -----
From: sherlock_555
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:49 AM
To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-welcome] Please Wake Up

I really do care about the people at this website. As I have said
before I came here in response to a client who was so full of fear
he couldn't function. I stayed and read every word to find out for
myself what it was all about. After doing so I used ONLY the
information provided by the "Zetas" to try and show you how
incorrect and corrupt this information is ......  it simply does not
add up and contradicts itself from one area to the next.

For that I was attacked and dismissed as another "disinformation"
person sent to destract you from the truth.  A few of you actually
followed up and checked out the same information for yourselves and
saw exactly what I did. You don't have to be a rocket scientist -
you just have to actually think for yourself .. Has it ever occured
to you that the whole of ZetaTalk might be one of the most well
organized disinformation sites?

I know that my words will probably fall on deaf ears but at least I
will know that I did not turn my back and tried to help.  Look at
the world around you. We have a whole nation that used to be
respected by the world attacking and killing another nation - they
have knowingly done so with the only proof being a plagiarized
college student's thesis from ten years ago and  proven forged
documents. Bin Ladin morphed into Saddam Hussein and children lie in
streets torn apart - free at last by the mighty American army.

How can you watch this and not start asking who is pulling your
strings? Please start thinking for yourselves!  The most brilliant
way to control a real event is by creating a false one ahead of time
so that no one pays attention.

I challenge any of you who really want to at least open your mind to
go click on the file below. Quit blindly attacking anyone who
challenges your fear.  Challenge it yourself!  Your life is not in
any danger from Planet X in May but your freedom is!

http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/clip33.rm




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You go man!
This is a nation of Hypnotized Zombies!
They are all asleep, dreaming a life that is far from
true. Mostly they are allowing the freedoms we have
built over many years be taken away by a Corrupt
Government.
This was all planned years before Bush pulled his
magic act with the "Supreme" court.
  The plan was that:They just needed a Pearl Harbor to
get the citizens angry". Thus 9/11 was born.
(This is written down in English!)

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Randa
The human (everywhere) is a strange creation. We somehow "need" someone  to
believe in. All through recorded history we have allowed ourselves to be led by
the nose by selfish rulers. Unfortunately the vast majority of humans care nil
about their "neighbour" and is mostly self centred.

I think, however, that no matter how good your cause is, this forum is not the
appropriate place for discussing politics in its broader sense, but only so far
as politics may affect the forum subject. You wrote "intellectual exercise for
many of those involved.  And fear.  Unbelievable fear." I say:If there was fear
on the forum, I didn't see it. I suppose I'm blind. What I did see were people
who were anxious to get their lives into shape(a good thing)and some who were
actually interested in their neighbour's well-being. If Z.com achieved nothing
else, this alone is worth a lot. It usually takes earthshaking events to wake
the selfish human race to break from it's self-centred ways.

If the planet X as postulated by the Z.com, is actually on the way, it will
definitely do us no harm this year. The danger of war is much greater. It is 
also possible that Nancy has been "hijacked" (in a way of speaking) and actually
honestly believe in what she is saying. Read of the possibilities regarding the
misuse of people in the book, "The Philadelphia Experiment", by Charles Berlitz
and William Moore.

There are actually two comets in our part of celestia at present.  Just look at
http://heavens-above.com

Peace to you.
Derek

----- Original Message -----
   From: Randa Jazairi
   To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:08 PM
   Subject: Re: [tt-welcome] Please Wake Up


   I love you Sherlock.

   The fear, hatred and meanspiritedness by mo fo's like whitewolfspiritus when
people write the Truth or even try to express the Truth of what is occurring in
the world ~ like the article by the extremely service-to-other Robert Fisk about
the human massacre taking place in Iraq ~ unbelievable how that information was
received by tt-forum and tt--welcome.  I was called names and told how I am
bitter and angry ~ just by sharing an article which was on the front page of the
Auckland Herald!  Christ!



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Saturday (April 5)  there will be another Zetatalk IRC session, starting
at 22:00 UTC/GMT (
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/  http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
http://www.timeanddate.com/time/abbreviations.html) .

Eastern standard time: 17:00
Atlantic standard time : 18:00
Pacific standard time:  14:00
Central Standard time: 16:00
Mountain standard time:  15:00

The name of the channel is #zetatalk and
can be found on the Undernet
more info about the IRC sessions can be found on
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z01.htm

At 12:08 PM 4/3/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I AM WITH YOU RANDA..IT IS SO GOOD TO HERE SOMEONE SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT
>IGNORANT AMERICA...UNFORTUNATELY IN AUSTRALIA WE ARE BECOMING TO MUCH LIKE
>AMERICA BECAUSE THE POWERS THAT BE ARE TRYING TO BROW BEAT US INTO
>SUBMISSION AND HAVE DRASTICALLY REDUCED FUNDING ON EDUCATION ..PRIMARY
>SECONDARY AND TERTIARY AS WELL AS TRYING TO ELIMINATE OUR MEDICARE HEALTH
>SYSTEM AND CONTINUING TO LIE ABOUT MOST THINGS...AND THE HALF THE PUBLIC
>ARE SUCKED IN BY THE DEVISIVENESS  OUR FEDERAL GOVT IS GREATING IN THIS COUNTRY

JUST LIKE AMERICA...REGARDS GAZ FROM OZ

>I love you Sherlock.
>
>The fear, hatred and meanspiritedness by mo fo's like whitewolfspiritus
>when people write the Truth or even try to express the Truth of what is
>occurring in the world ~ like the article by the extremely
>service-to-other Robert Fisk about the human massacre taking place in Iraq
>~ unbelievable how that information was received by tt-forum and
>tt--welcome.  I was called names and told how I am bitter and angry ~ just
>by sharing an article which was on the front page of the Auckland
>Herald!  Christ!
>
>I live in America but I left here in 1990 because I could not comprehend
>the utter stupidity and heartlessness of the American
>people.  Survival.  Unbelievable that for the first time in most Americans
>lives they are thinking about survival.  Why?  Because the rest of the
>world has been paying the price for our pleasant and abundant
>lifestyle.  Doh.  Most Americans do not question, or examine or even look
>at what is going outside their own mean little sphere of
>non-reality.  Television is the end-all and be-all of most Americans'
>existence.
>
>Returning here last year from Australia ~ after 12 years ~ I was aghast at
>the continued stupidity and ignorance.  You know, I don't really care
>about the bloody American troops.  I'm sorry.  They chose to fight for
>stupidity ~ not freedom ~ not to kill Saddam Hussein, a man who was in bed
>with the Bush Sr and the American goverment for many, many years.  Saddam
>just got tired of sucking dick and told the USA to fuck off ~ they had no
>rights to Iraqi oil.  Saddam is certainly not good.  But I think he has
>been somewhat reformed.  Say this to an American?  He/she will punch you
>in the face.  American troops are murdering innocent Iraqi women and
>children.  Liberation, is of course, what the US gov't calls it.
>
>So I get blasted by folks on zetatalk for mentioning the war.  I have a
>phone conversation with a person who is passionate about zetatalk who was
>in orgasmic glee about the bombing in Iraq and how they deserved it by
>what "they" did to USA on 911.  I asked him if he read zetatalk?  Have you
>read what was said about 911 on zetatalk?
>
>Very confusing.  I'm not so sure about zetatalk anymore because I think it
>is somewhat an intellectual exercise for many of those involved.  And
>fear.  Unbelievable fear.
>
>The opposite of fear is love.  I have written many emails here about what
>I perceived as "Love" on zetatalk, and not a single response.
>
>So where is the Love?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: sherlock_555
>Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:49 AM
>To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [tt-welcome] Please Wake Up
>
>I really do care about the people at this website. As I have said
>before I came here in response to a client who was so full of fear
>he couldn't function. I stayed and read every word to find out for
>myself what it was all about. After doing so I used ONLY the
>information provided by the "Zetas" to try and show you how
>incorrect and corrupt this information is ......  it simply does not
>add up and contradicts itself from one area to the next.
>
>For that I was attacked and dismissed as another "disinformation"
>person sent to destract you from the truth.  A few of you actually
>followed up and checked out the same information for yourselves and
>saw exactly what I did. You don't have to be a rocket scientist -
>you just have to actually think for yourself .. Has it ever occured
>to you that the whole of ZetaTalk might be one of the most well
>organized disinformation sites?
>
>I know that my words will probably fall on deaf ears but at least I
>will know that I did not turn my back and tried to help.  Look at
>the world around you. We have a whole nation that used to be
>respected by the world attacking and killing another nation - they
>have knowingly done so with the only proof being a plagiarized
>college student's thesis from ten years ago and  proven forged
>documents. Bin Ladin morphed into Saddam Hussein and children lie in
>streets torn apart - free at last by the mighty American army.
>
>How can you watch this and not start asking who is pulling your
>strings? Please start thinking for yourselves!  The most brilliant
>way to control a real event is by creating a false one ahead of time
>so that no one pays attention.
>
>I challenge any of you who really want to at least open your mind to
>go click on the file below. Quit blindly attacking anyone who
>challenges your fear.  Challenge it yourself!  Your life is not in
>any danger from Planet X in May but your freedom is!
>
>http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/clip33.rm
>
>
>
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what exactly will you be discussing?

--- Gerard Zwaan <gerard@...> wrote:
> Saturday (April 5)  there will be another Zetatalk
> IRC session, starting
> at 22:00 UTC/GMT (
> http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
> http://www.timeanddate.com/time/abbreviations.html)
> .
>
> Eastern standard time: 17:00
> Atlantic standard time : 18:00
> Pacific standard time:  14:00
> Central Standard time: 16:00
> Mountain standard time:  15:00
>
> The name of the channel is #zetatalk and
> can be found on the Undernet
> more info about the IRC sessions can be found on
> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z01.htm
>
>
>
>


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Hi Milly: Got your message, prepared to make offer will need a
contact #, location etc. ASAP- please contact us on our web-site
preferably by 4-08-03.

Looking forward to hear from you,
Your Ozark Connection

Hi,

Does anyone have a copy of the emails from the guy who made the everlasting
flashlights? I understand there was an offer of a slight discount for ZT
members?

SC





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I am in southwest Missouri - Ozark mountain area - ( Thank you GOD that my home
is in a "safe" place !)  and have an 18 inch telescope.  We have been looking
everynight since Saturday and have found nothing that looks like the pictures
at:
http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/nancy16.htm
I cannot believe this guy took those pictures with binoculars !!  And I am
getting NOTHING with an 18 in telescope?  Well, I actually can't say NOTHING. 
We have spotted something orange that is not a star - but is yet still the size
of a star - it is NOT light itself, but looks like what could be a planet - that
it is REFLECTING light.  But I'm not seeing anything "spectacular" like these
photos that are coming in.  The guy says he "cropped and enlarged it and did
some enhancements".  I wonder what that means?  I guess I'm still not buying any
of this yet, although I've been living the life needed to survive all this all
along - what luck !!  Too bad the moon is coming back into vision and Taurus is
rapidly approaching the horizon with the sun.  I may never see it !!

There are 6 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Maximum 3 Weeks.
From: "sherlock_555"
2. Re: Looking for survival partners
From: "melindamattox"
3. Re: Maximum 3 Weeks.
From: "alex r"
4. Re: Re: Looking for survival partners
From: "Marcus Alfonso"
5. Re: Maximum 3 Weeks.
From: connie shipley
6. Re: Maximum 3 Weeks.
From: "Carolyn woollam"


________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:35:40 -0000
From: "sherlock_555"
Subject: Maximum 3 Weeks.

I've been a fly on your wall as I promised. Now though, I wonder how
many here are asking where this Planet X is? Weather is still
erratic but it hasn't worsened. The promised massive earthquakes and
volcanic eruptions as Planet X nears have failed to materialize.
However, the war, which was supposed to be only a threat to keep
people from knowing about Planet X has.

I see you're still insulting people who ask legitimate questions. I
had hoped you'd be relieved rather than still so mean-spirited.
(BTW - I still believe in Santa, just maybe not the guy in the red
suit)

Anyway, unless there's a red cross visible to all within the next
three weeks ZetaTalk will have missed its deadline. (They did
promise it would be seen 7 weeks prior to the end - well, we've only
got 9 weeks left to the end of May) So, we really don't have months
to wait.

Your danger is NOT from Planet X.



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:55:45 -0000
From: "melindamattox"
Subject: Re: Looking for survival partners

The operative word being "CASH"??? You aren't by any chance
trying to make money off of peoples fears and concerns are
you?? SHAME ON YOU!!!
--- In tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com, "SR"
wrote:
> Hello:
>
>
>
> We are a small group of conscious well-grounded practical
professionals
> looking for like-minded individuals to join us and form a safe
and
> self-sufficient community on one of the New England
mountains.
>
>
>
> We have already identified the remote land. We have have a
development
> plan as well as researched the technology and equipments.
We foresee
> this community to be just as functional before as well as after
any
> significant changes in the world.
>
>
>
> New members can invest a combination of knowledge, sweat
equity and
> cash. Ownership and investment will be documented in order
to ensure
> legal claim on everyone investment.
>
>
>
> The facilities are planned and designed to serve as
> vacation/holiday,spiritual retreat as well as self-sufficient
survival
> installations.
>
>
>
> If interested, please email us.
>
> Lo small group of conscious well-grounded practical
professionals
> looking for like-minded individuals to join us and form a safe
and
> self-sufficient community on one of the New England
mountains.
>
>
>
> We have already identified the remote land. We have have a
development
> plan as well as researched the technology and equipments.
We foresee
> this community to be just as functional before as well as after
any
> significant changes in the world.
>
>
>
> New members can invest a combination of knowledge, sweat
equity and
> cash. Ownership investment will be documented in order to
ensure legal
> claim on everyone investment.
>
>
>
> The facilities are planned and designed to serve as
vacation/holiday
> retreat as well as self-sufficient survival installations.
>
>
>
> If interested, please email us. SR
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:46:58 +0000
From: "alex r"
Subject: Re: Maximum 3 Weeks.

Yeah, i really don't see anything up in the skies. i'm looking for something
red but nothing is there....hmmmmmmmmmmm....

has anyone seen this supposed planet x? if so can anyone upload any images
of it on a site? I really would like to see it.




>From: "sherlock_555"
>Reply-To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
>To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [tt-welcome] Maximum 3 Weeks.
>Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:35:40 -0000
>
>I've been a fly on your wall as I promised. Now though, I wonder how
>many here are asking where this Planet X is? Weather is still
>erratic but it hasn't worsened. The promised massive earthquakes and
>volcanic eruptions as Planet X nears have failed to materialize.
>However, the war, which was supposed to be only a threat to keep
>people from knowing about Planet X has.
>
>I see you're still insulting people who ask legitimate questions. I
>had hoped you'd be relieved rather than still so mean-spirited.
>(BTW - I still believe in Santa, just maybe not the guy in the red
>suit)
>
>Anyway, unless there's a red cross visible to all within the next
>three weeks ZetaTalk will have missed its deadline. (They did
>promise it would be seen 7 weeks prior to the end - well, we've only
>got 9 weeks left to the end of May) So, we really don't have months
>to wait.
>
>Your danger is NOT from Planet X.
>


_________________________________________________________________




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:13:44 -0700
From: "Marcus Alfonso"
Subject: Re: Re: Looking for survival partners

Dear Melinda: I too, am looking for survival partners & like-minded people not
cash (although that will help)! I did not get the impression that they wanted
just CASH, and you didn't let them answer your question before saying shame on
you. Let's work together, use our talents & make responsible decisions in
respect to our future(s). I grant you that there are some people/businesses out
there that will take advantage of people's fears, but I did not get that
impression from this msg. I kinda wish that I was back in upstate NY to check it
out. Take care. Marcus.

----- Original Message -----
From: melindamattox
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:57 AM
To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-welcome] Re: Looking for survival partners

The operative word being "CASH"??? You aren't by any chance
trying to make money off of peoples fears and concerns are
you?? SHAME ON YOU!!!
--- In tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com, "SR"
wrote:
> Hello:
>
>
>
> We are a small group of conscious well-grounded practical
professionals
> looking for like-minded individuals to join us and form a safe
and
> self-sufficient community on one of the New England
mountains.
>
>
>
> We have already identified the remote land. We have have a
development
> plan as well as researched the technology and equipments.
We foresee
> this community to be just as functional before as well as after
any
> significant changes in the world.
>
>
>
> New members can invest a combination of knowledge, sweat
equity and
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:14:07 -0800 (PST)
From: connie shipley
Subject: Re: Maximum 3 Weeks.


I've been watching the skies, both night and day. On March 26 about 8pm I saw
something odd. Standing out back facing south, looking towards Taurus, just past
to the lower right there was what appeared to be 2 orangey stars side by side
with stars following up and behind it. I called my husband outside just to have
some verification on what I saw. He saw the same thing w/o me prompting him on
where to look. I've always been one to watch the sky, I have never seen these
orangey lights in our night sky. as far as the daytime, the sun has been really
bright therefore I rarely look into it. I do know this, I have to many sources
giving information that all leads to this stuff. I know the Pope has been having
visions, his Cardinals don't want to tell us, because they are horrific events
and they are afraid they would lose control of us. I am not catholic, but do
have friends that are. Their information runs along the same as what we've
gotten from Nancy. Also, they have been prophets from ages ago that talked about
the fire ball in the sky and the dragon that would come w/ it. This Planet seems
to fit the bill. I may not have all the wording correct, but I do believe you
can understand what I'm saying. We need to be aware of all that surrounds us,
everything, everybody. Understand that we have a government that doesn't tell
everything out of fear of losing control of us. We all need to stay in close
contact, no matter what happens being service to others is how we need to live
anyway. It's ashame we have to be put in situation that has us rethinking our
values as human beings. Higher power put us here to be "stewards of this earth",
somewhere along the way we got extremely lost in the physical and the "I wants,
I gotta haves". I live a simple life, I am fully disabled and can not work
because of Multiple Sclerosis. I pondering life often, I know the earth is ready
for a change, so am I.
alex r wrote:Yeah, i really don't see anything up in the skies. i'm looking for
something
red but nothing is there....hmmmmmmmmmmm....

has anyone seen this supposed planet x? if so can anyone upload any images
of it on a site? I really would like to see it.




>From: "sherlock_555"
>Reply-To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
>To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [tt-welcome] Maximum 3 Weeks.
>Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:35:40 -0000
>
>I've been a fly on your wall as I promised. Now though, I wonder how
>many here are asking where this Planet X is? Weather is still
>erratic but it hasn't worsened. The promised massive earthquakes and
>volcanic eruptions as Planet X nears have failed to materialize.
>However, the war, which was supposed to be only a threat to keep
>people from knowing about Planet X has.
>
>I see you're still insulting people who ask legitimate questions. I
>had hoped you'd be relieved rather than still so mean-spirited.
>(BTW - I still believe in Santa, just maybe not the guy in the red
>suit)
>
>Anyway, unless there's a red cross visible to all within the next
>three weeks ZetaTalk will have missed its deadline. (They did
>promise it would be seen 7 weeks prior to the end - well, we've only
>got 9 weeks left to the end of May) So, we really don't have months
>to wait.
>
>Your danger is NOT from Planet X.
>


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 04:49:05 +0000
From: "Carolyn woollam"
Subject: Re: Maximum 3 Weeks.

For connie and all at troubled times/Zeta Talk

I agree with much of what your are saying. But anacdotal evidence is no
good to man or beast, you really need to back it up with some facts.
(how about including some links) You say the Pope is having preminitions,
how do you know this? from were did this info come??
You have seen planet X? then take some photos and share them with the rest
of us. ( and I don't mean duboius images from bad astronomy pictures either)

Rumors are no good, people will take none of this seriously untill it is
backed up with proof. Proper proof, indisputable proof. Get the proof and
you will have no agrument from me.

Carolyn




>From: connie shipley
>Reply-To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
>To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [tt-welcome] Maximum 3 Weeks.
>Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:14:07 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>I've been watching the skies, both night and day. On March 26 about 8pm I
>saw something odd. Standing out back facing south, looking towards Taurus,
>just past to the lower right there was what appeared to be 2 orangey stars
>side by side with stars following up and behind it. I called my husband
>outside just to have some verification on what I saw. He saw the same thing
>w/o me prompting him on where to look. I've always been one to watch the
>sky, I have never seen these orangey lights in our night sky. as far as the
>daytime, the sun has been really bright therefore I rarely look into it. I
>do know this, I have to many sources giving information that all leads to
>this stuff. I know the Pope has been having visions, his Cardinals don't
>want to tell us, because they are horrific events and they are afraid they
>would lose control of us. I am not catholic, but do have friends that are.
>Their information runs along the same as what we've gotten from Nancy.
>Also, they have been prophets from ages ago that talked about the fire ball
>in the sky and the dragon that would come w/ it. This Planet seems to fit
>the bill. I may not have all the wording correct, but I do believe you can
>understand what I'm saying. We need to be aware of all that surrounds us,
>everything, everybody. Understand that we have a government that doesn't
>tell everything out of fear of losing control of us. We all need to stay in
>close contact, no matter what happens being service to others is how we
>need to live anyway. It's ashame we have to be put in situation that has us
>rethinking our values as human beings. Higher power put us here to be
>"stewards of this earth", somewhere along the way we got extremely lost in
>the physical and the "I wants, I gotta haves". I live a simple life, I am
>fully disabled and can not work because of Multiple Sclerosis. I pondering
>life often, I know the earth is ready for a change, so am I.
> alex r wrote:Yeah, i really don't see anything up
>in the skies. i'm looking for something
>red but nothing is there....hmmmmmmmmmmm....
>
>has anyone seen this supposed planet x? if so can anyone upload any images
>of it on a site? I really would like to see it.
>
>
>
>
> >From: "sherlock_555"
> >Reply-To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
> >To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [tt-welcome] Maximum 3 Weeks.
> >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:35:40 -0000
> >
> >I've been a fly on your wall as I promised. Now though, I wonder how
> >many here are asking where this Planet X is? Weather is still
> >erratic but it hasn't worsened. The promised massive earthquakes and
> >volcanic eruptions as Planet X nears have failed to materialize.
> >However, the war, which was supposed to be only a threat to keep
> >people from knowing about Planet X has.
> >
> >I see you're still insulting people who ask legitimate questions. I
> >had hoped you'd be relieved rather than still so mean-spirited.
> >(BTW - I still believe in Santa, just maybe not the guy in the red
> >suit)
> >
> >Anyway, unless there's a red cross visible to all within the next
> >three weeks ZetaTalk will have missed its deadline. (They did
> >promise it would be seen 7 weeks prior to the end - well, we've only
> >got 9 weeks left to the end of May) So, we really don't have months
> >to wait.
> >
> >Your danger is NOT from Planet X.
> >
>
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Re. In reply to some recent posting.

People of America! and People of the Earth! Please, don't let hate,
fear and aggressivenes dominate you! It's quite right that a mate at
this Forum said, that Love is all we need here, and there, and
everywhere!
These persons concerned with the Issue, I believe, are here to change
opinions and information, and, perhaps, to look for possible partners
for survival. But NOT to fall into gossip and futile mutual accusal!
NOT to make money either! So even if we do accept the probable
Poleshift, it doesn't mean at all we should make a hero of ourselves
and post ourselves as the unique illustrated people! Of course not!
We must try to help everybody as far as we can! Nevermind that so
many folks are taking us for idiots.
I'm not an American, I'm Russian. I know America is a great nation
and great country, but maybe it's ill as no other place at the
planet! But it doesn't mean ABSOLUTELY that I advocate such a feeling
like "it'll teach you a lesson, right". How could we just think ab.
such things! Oh no! The ENTIRE MANKIND is ill! If Zetas are right,
tell me, who wants to die?! But if it is meant to be this way, OK
let's prepare, first of all, our souls for it! LOVING EVERYBODY, for
nothing! just loving!
I'm here because I feel I share the cause, and the cause affects
everyone!, at the States, at Spain, at Iraq, at France, at Armenia,
at New Zeland, at Congo, at Vietnam, etc. So I can honestly state
that I love the americans, the spanish, the iraqians, the
armenians, .. and every creature at the Earth. Please, don't forget
that God is above the good and the bad. We are accustomed to proceed
according to our logic, but God's one is never known! So as I put it
the other day, the Transformation is to come up, maybe with the
Nibiru Planet, maybe without it. WE ALL MUST CHANGE!

By the way, it seems a joke, but I keep calling people at Spain: is
there anybody at this country who is thinking ab. the Issue?

Sorry for my poor English. I don't bother much ab. it. I think the
feeling is the priority!
Best regards and LOVE FOR EVERYONE at these TT Forums!, and out there
too! It's better for us to discuss concrete things, sure!
Vlad (Spain)

Esta muy bien escrito! - maria


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Subject: Posting guidelines and list rules

Every once in awhile, I try and post the list rules (what each list is for)
as general guidelines, mostly for the new members, and since we do have a
few new members, we may as well post them now. And just because I have
posted the list rules for the new members, does not meen to imply that they
are directed at any one person. Just call it preventive maintenance.

First, the "reason" we have different lists. Years ago, we had only one
list. EVERYTHING went on this one list. It got way out of hand. Postings of
all sorts, all mixed in together. People were getting posts they didn't
want, things like "Why are you cluttering up my mailbox with this #%^&!"
were being said as some only wanted stuff about survival and not the gossip
of the day. We, as members, decided to create more than one list so we could
separate the types of postings. All a member would then have to do is join
only the list he/she wanted to be on. It has worked well, and with the help
of others, we hardly ever have to enforce any rules. We just let folks know
once in a while. The premise of Troubled Times is to help ourselves and
others prepare before, during and after the coming pole shift. A few things
we don't discuss on our lists and pages are guns and religion. TT is not a
religious group. Never has been and never will be. TT also has no pros or
cons if you choose to have a weapon. Your choice. But, on this list we do
not discuss it. There are many groups and individuals who would like to see
TT shut
down thereby preventing the information we are all working hard at, from
getting out. Classifying us as a gun toting religious group would be one way
of attempting to shut us down. We are not. These are our reasons for not
discussing these topics.


Here is basically what each list is for:

TT-welcome (tt-welcome@yahooGroups.com)
Troubled Times Welcome - discussion of all aspects of the coming Pole Shift,
based on the ZetaTalk message. The Welcome committee is available to help
newcomers navigate the wealth of
knowledge within Troubled Times, to clarify the premise, and to answer
newcomer questions. Our first answer to most new folks with questions is
"have you read through the information?" Most answers to most questions
asked are posted in Troubled Times or Zetatalk. The search engine in the
left column at http://www.zetatalk.com is very effective. Just type in your
key word there. The premise of Troubled Times is that cataclysmic
changes are going to happen in our world soon. This premise is based not
only on increasingly evident earth changes, but also on ancient and more
recent prophecy. Newcomers are encouraged to Join this group if they have
any questions at all to pose, or comments they have been hesitant to make on
the other lists. The Welcome committee is there to help you with these
issues. After joining, address your questions and comments to the ongoing
welcome discussion. Please keep in mind, we are not in the business of
selling our ideas, or "converting" anyone, as these types of discussions
seem to escalate into never ending debates. As time goes by and more and
more members join this and our other groups, we will have much less time for
tolerance of disruptive members and they will be removed without lengthy
discussions. Those who do not abide by the list rules will be removed.
To subscribe by email: mailto:tt-welcome-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
To unsubscribe by email: mailto:tt-welcome-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Please visit http://www.zetatalk.com or http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm for
more info.



TT-forum (tt-forum@yahoogroups.com)
Troubled Times Forum is for solution sets only. For the discussion of things
like wind generators, hydroponics, how to make a shelter, ect.. Solution
sets that will help us and others survive before, during and after the
coming pole shift in 2003. There are many members who have signed up only
for tt-forum as they do not want to talk social or hear about gossip
information. We try and respect that.
We are not in the business of selling our ideas, or "converting" anyone, as
these types of discussions seem to escalate into never ending debates. As
time goes by and more and more members join this and our other groups, we
will have much less time for tolerance of disruptive members and they will
be removed without lengthy discussions. Those who do not abide by the list
rules will be removed.
The premise of Troubled Times is that cataclysmic changes are potentially in
our future, and that preparation means assuming the worst of what geological
and written history tell us.
To subscribe by email: mailto:tt-forum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
To unsubscribe by email: mailto:tt-forum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Please, visit http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm for more info.

TT-watch (tt-watch@yahoogroups.com)
Troubled Times Watch - discussion about the topics in The Word section such
as the government, UFO's, weather, news articles and yes, even a few
conspiracy theories once in a while (until it gets personal). Not for social
chatter, jokes, scientific rantings or ones personal dreams. We are not in
the business of selling our ideas, or "converting" anyone, as these types of
discussions seem to escalate into never ending debates. As time goes by and
more and more members join this and our other groups, we will have much less
time for tolerance of disruptive members and they will be removed without
lengthy discussions. Those who do not abide by the list rules will be
removed. The premise of Troubled Times is that cataclysmic changes are
potentially in our future, and that preparation means assuming the worst of
what geological and written history tell us.
To subscribe by email: mailto:tt-watch-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
To unsubscribe by email: Mailto:tt-watch-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Please, visit http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm for more info.

TT-social (tt-social@yahoogroups.com)
Troubled Times Social - chatters about personal adjustments to the changing
times, where one can discuss with others his/her personal experiences and
unless it gets too hot and personal, there are not too many rules here. We
try and respect the size of the postings. Still, we are not in the business
of selling our ideas, or "converting" anyone, as these types of discussions
seem to escalate into never ending debates. As time goes by and more and
more members join this and our other groups, we will have much less time for
tolerance of disruptive members and they will be removed without lengthy
discussions. Those who do not abide by the list rules will be removed.
The premise of Troubled Times is that cataclysmic changes are potentially in
our future, and that preparation means assuming the worst of what geological
and written history tell us.
To subscribe by email: mailto:tt-social-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
To unsubscribe by email: mailto:tt-social-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Please, visit http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm for more info

To join one or all of these lists, please visit
http://www.zetatalk.com/thub01.htm

Clipper

Bush and his corporate oil whores who want to dominate
the world and destroy and rape humanity. I hope they
pay for this madness.

Ray


--- Gary <gazue@...> wrote:
> At 12:08 PM 4/3/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >I AM WITH YOU RANDA..IT IS SO GOOD TO HERE SOMEONE
> SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT
> >IGNORANT AMERICA...UNFORTUNATELY IN AUSTRALIA WE
> ARE BECOMING TO MUCH LIKE
> >AMERICA BECAUSE THE POWERS THAT BE ARE TRYING TO
> BROW BEAT US INTO
> >SUBMISSION AND HAVE DRASTICALLY REDUCED FUNDING ON
> EDUCATION ..PRIMARY
> >SECONDARY AND TERTIARY AS WELL AS TRYING TO
> ELIMINATE OUR MEDICARE HEALTH
> >SYSTEM AND CONTINUING TO LIE ABOUT MOST
> THINGS...AND THE HALF THE PUBLIC
> >ARE SUCKED IN BY THE DEVISIVENESS  OUR FEDERAL GOVT
> IS GREATING IN THIS COUNTRY
>
> JUST LIKE AMERICA...REGARDS GAZ FROM OZ
>
> >I love you Sherlock.
> >
> >The fear, hatred and meanspiritedness by mo fo's
> like whitewolfspiritus
> >when people write the Truth or even try to express
> the Truth of what is
> >occurring in the world ~ like the article by the
> extremely
> >service-to-other Robert Fisk about the human
> massacre taking place in Iraq
> >~ unbelievable how that information was received by
> tt-forum and
> >tt--welcome.  I was called names and told how I am
> bitter and angry ~ just
> >by sharing an article which was on the front page
> of the Auckland
> >Herald!  Christ!
> >
> >I live in America but I left here in 1990 because I
> could not comprehend
> >the utter stupidity and heartlessness of the
> American
> >people.  Survival.  Unbelievable that for the first
> time in most Americans
> >lives they are thinking about survival.  Why?
> Because the rest of the
> >world has been paying the price for our pleasant
> and abundant
> >lifestyle.  Doh.  Most Americans do not question,
> or examine or even look
> >at what is going outside their own mean little
> sphere of
> >non-reality.  Television is the end-all and be-all
> of most Americans'
> >existence.
> >
> >Returning here last year from Australia ~ after 12
> years ~ I was aghast at
> >the continued stupidity and ignorance.  You know, I
> don't really care
> >about the bloody American troops.  I'm sorry.  They
> chose to fight for
> >stupidity ~ not freedom ~ not to kill Saddam
> Hussein, a man who was in bed
> >with the Bush Sr and the American goverment for
> many, many years.  Saddam
> >just got tired of sucking dick and told the USA to
> fuck off ~ they had no
> >rights to Iraqi oil.  Saddam is certainly not good.
>  But I think he has
> >been somewhat reformed.  Say this to an American?
> He/she will punch you
> >in the face.  American troops are murdering
> innocent Iraqi women and
> >children.  Liberation, is of course, what the US
> gov't calls it.
> >
> >So I get blasted by folks on zetatalk for
> mentioning the war.  I have a
> >phone conversation with a person who is passionate
> about zetatalk who was
> >in orgasmic glee about the bombing in Iraq and how
> they deserved it by
> >what "they" did to USA on 911.  I asked him if he
> read zetatalk?  Have you
> >read what was said about 911 on zetatalk?
> >
> >Very confusing.  I'm not so sure about zetatalk
> anymore because I think it
> >is somewhat an intellectual exercise for many of
> those involved.  And
> >fear.  Unbelievable fear.
> >
> >The opposite of fear is love.  I have written many
> emails here about what
> >I perceived as "Love" on zetatalk, and not a single
> response.
> >
> >So where is the Love?
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: sherlock_555
> >Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:49 AM
> >To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [tt-welcome] Please Wake Up
> >
> >I really do care about the people at this website.
> As I have said
> >before I came here in response to a client who was
> so full of fear
> >he couldn't function. I stayed and read every word
> to find out for
> >myself what it was all about. After doing so I used
> ONLY the
> >information provided by the "Zetas" to try and show
> you how
> >incorrect and corrupt this information is ......
> it simply does not
> >add up and contradicts itself from one area to the
> next.
> >
> >For that I was attacked and dismissed as another
> "disinformation"
> >person sent to destract you from the truth.  A few
> of you actually
> >followed up and checked out the same information
> for yourselves and
> >saw exactly what I did. You don't have to be a
> rocket scientist -
> >you just have to actually think for yourself .. Has
> it ever occured
> >to you that the whole of ZetaTalk might be one of
> the most well
> >organized disinformation sites?
> >
> >I know that my words will probably fall on deaf
> ears but at least I
> >will know that I did not turn my back and tried to
> help.  Look at
> >the world around you. We have a whole nation that
> used to be
> >respected by the world attacking and killing
> another nation - they
> >have knowingly done so with the only proof being a
> plagiarized
> >college student's thesis from ten years ago and
> proven forged
> >documents. Bin Ladin morphed into Saddam Hussein
> and children lie in
> >streets torn apart - free at last by the mighty
> American army.
> >
> >How can you watch this and not start asking who is
> pulling your
> >strings? Please start thinking for yourselves!  The
> most brilliant
> >way to control a real event is by creating a false
> one ahead of time
> >so that no one pays attention.
> >
> >I challenge any of you who really want to at least
> open your mind to
> >go click on the file below. Quit blindly attacking
> anyone who
> >challenges your fear.  Challenge it yourself!  Your
> life is not in
> >any danger from Planet X in May but your freedom
> is!
> >
> >http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/clip33.rm
> >
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Saturday (April 5)  there will be another Zetatalk IRC session, starting
at 22:00 UTC/GMT (
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/  http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
http://www.timeanddate.com/time/abbreviations.html) .

Eastern standard time: 17:00
Atlantic standard time : 18:00
Pacific standard time:  14:00
Central Standard time: 16:00
Mountain standard time:  15:00

The name of the channel is #zetatalk and
can be found on the Undernet
more info about the IRC sessions can be found on
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z01.htm

I am an American living in the Republic of China who stumbled across
a man who for the last 15 years has been channeling a teaching
similiar in many ways to that of Seth. The main difference is that
the ideas of the teaching have been applied to concrete methods that
can be used in the fields of mind-body healing and education. These
methods were channeled along with the ideas and concepts. They were
not developed afterwards based on the ideas.
As anyone who has read Seth can imagine, the methods are very
powerful. I know this will be hard to believe and I almost hesistate
to write it, but to date the healing methods have never failed to
cure any disease. Diabetes, liver disease, cancer have all been
cured. Tumors have been dissolved in 20 minutes.
I have witnessed many healings and in fact met the man who has
channeled the information, Dr. Ma, by becoming his patient. I was
the victim of a bad bicycle accident and had seriuos problems with
my stomach and liver. In three months he virtually gave be a new
body.
The results in the fields of education and mind-body-spirit toxin
release have been equally stunning. The latter could, I believe,
solve many psychological problems.

The name of the teaching is Space Therapy. Although it is not
something that can be explained in a paragraph or two, one important
concept that is utilized is the fact that we have many coexisting
selves. By hooking up our former healthy self and our current
diseased/distressed self, healing is accomplished. Dr. Ma actually
performs healing with his 20 year old self (he's 53 now). Other
methods are less esoteric and seem to be a type of energy medicine.

This man has, like Jane Roberts, channeled thousands of pages. The
difference between him and Jane is that he is lucid when he
channels. Thus he has, in effect, been tutored by the higher power
that has been visiting him. He is capable of teaching the
information revealed to him in a way Jane could never do.

Unfortunately, unlike Jane he has not been blessed with any of the
resources he needs to properly develop and disseminate his
information. He needs a team of people to help him translate and
publish his material, to learn with him intensively, to perform
experiments, etc.

I have written some basic information on his ideas and techniques in
English and would be happy to share it with interested parties.
Ideally, of course, I would like to find a foundation to support
this man and bring all of the wisdom and methods he has to offer to
the world.
I especially welcome inquiries from speakers of Chinese.

Sincerely,
Matthew Clarke

I would be interested in hearing more.

I practised Falun Dafa when living in the South Pacific.  Li Hongzhi is a great
healer and was forced to leave China and the millions upon millions of followers
in China.  The aftermath was the persecution and murder of a great many
practitioners by the Chinese government.

Therein is a concern for Dr Ma.

----- Original Message -----
From: kairos613
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 8:30 AM
To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tt-welcome] Seth-like teaching in Taiwan

I am an American living in the Republic of China who stumbled across
a man who for the last 15 years has been channeling a teaching
similiar in many ways to that of Seth. The main difference is that
the ideas of the teaching have been applied to concrete methods that
can be used in the fields of mind-body healing and education. These
methods were channeled along with the ideas and concepts. They were
not developed afterwards based on the ideas.
As anyone who has read Seth can imagine, the methods are very
powerful. I know this will be hard to believe and I almost hesistate
to write it, but to date the healing methods have never failed to
cure any disease. Diabetes, liver disease, cancer have all been
cured. Tumors have been dissolved in 20 minutes.
I have witnessed many healings and in fact met the man who has
channeled the information, Dr. Ma, by becoming his patient. I was
the victim of a bad bicycle accident and had seriuos problems with
my stomach and liver. In three months he virtually gave be a new
body.
The results in the fields of education and mind-body-spirit toxin
release have been equally stunning. The latter could, I believe,
solve many psychological problems.

The name of the teaching is Space Therapy. Although it is not
something that can be explained in a paragraph or two, one important
concept that is utilized is the fact that we have many coexisting
selves. By hooking up our former healthy self and our current
diseased/distressed self, healing is accomplished. Dr. Ma actually
performs healing with his 20 year old self (he's 53 now). Other
methods are less esoteric and seem to be a type of energy medicine.

This man has, like Jane Roberts, channeled thousands of pages. The
difference between him and Jane is that he is lucid when he
channels. Thus he has, in effect, been tutored by the higher power
that has been visiting him. He is capable of teaching the
information revealed to him in a way Jane could never do.

Unfortunately, unlike Jane he has not been blessed with any of the
resources he needs to properly develop and disseminate his
information. He needs a team of people to help him translate and
publish his material, to learn with him intensively, to perform
experiments, etc.

I have written some basic information on his ideas and techniques in
English and would be happy to share it with interested parties.
Ideally, of course, I would like to find a foundation to support
this man and bring all of the wisdom and methods he has to offer to
the world.
I especially welcome inquiries from speakers of Chinese.

Sincerely,
Matthew Clarke



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You can find several by entering 'nightstar flashlight' in the
archives search for this group.   His name is David Cole and his e-
mail address is daco @ qadas . com    I have one of the flashlights.
They don't put out a real bright light but you can't beat not needing
batteries or fuel.
I've dropped mine several times and it didn't seem to notice.  It is
extremely sturdy.  You can also buy them from him on ebay.


Milly



-- In tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com, Scaredy Cat
<the_green_pill2003@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the emails from the guy who made the
everlasting flashlights? I understand there was an offer of a slight
discount for ZT members?
>
> SC
>
>
>

Thank you Ray for your awareness.  Sadly Bush is just this idiot puppet for a
group of very wealthy Americans (collectively in the trillions) who have decided
to control the world by controlling the world's oil.  They call themselves the
"New World Order" or the "Elite" and they are mean.  They care not one iota for
human life.

A Palestinian woman was being interviewed by National Radio (Australian) last
year when I was living in far north Queensland ~ when Israel invaded the west
bank with their armour and artillary.  The woman's children had been murdered. 
Her response to the questioning was, "I have lost everything.  But I have not
lost my humanity."

So many humans ~ sadly so many Americans ~ have lost their humanity.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Yaldo
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:07 PM
To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tt-welcome] Please Wake Up

Bush and his corporate oil whores who want to dominate
the world and destroy and rape humanity. I hope they
pay for this madness.

Ray


--- Gary <gazue@...> wrote:
> At 12:08 PM 4/3/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >I AM WITH YOU RANDA..IT IS SO GOOD TO HERE SOMEONE
> SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT
> >IGNORANT AMERICA...UNFORTUNATELY IN AUSTRALIA WE
> ARE BECOMING TO MUCH LIKE
> >AMERICA BECAUSE THE POWERS THAT BE ARE TRYING TO
> BROW BEAT US INTO
> >SUBMISSION AND HAVE DRASTICALLY REDUCED FUNDING ON
> EDUCATION ..PRIMARY
> >SECONDARY AND TERTIARY AS WELL AS TRYING TO
> ELIMINATE OUR MEDICARE HEALTH
> >SYSTEM AND CONTINUING TO LIE ABOUT MOST
> THINGS...AND THE HALF THE PUBLIC
> >ARE SUCKED IN BY THE DEVISIVENESS  OUR FEDERAL GOVT
> IS GREATING IN THIS COUNTRY
>
> JUST LIKE AMERICA...REGARDS GAZ FROM OZ
>
> >I love you Sherlock.
> >
> >The fear, hatred and meanspiritedness by mo fo's
> like whitewolfspiritus
> >when people write the Truth or even try to express
> the Truth of what is
> >occurring in the world ~ like the article by the
> extremely
> >service-to-other Robert Fisk about the human
> massacre taking place in Iraq
> >~ unbelievable how that information was received by
> tt-forum and
> >tt--welcome.  I was called names and told how I am
> bitter and angry ~ just
> >by sharing an article which was on the front page
> of the Auckland
> >Herald!  Christ!
> >
> >I live in America but I left here in 1990 because I
> could not comprehend
> >the utter stupidity and heartlessness of the
> American
> >people.  Survival.  Unbelievable that for the first
> time in most Americans
> >lives they are thinking about survival.  Why?
> Because the rest of the
> >world has been paying the price for our pleasant
> and abundant
> >lifestyle.  Doh.  Most Americans do not question,
> or examine or even look
> >at what is going outside their own mean little
> sphere of
> >non-reality.  Television is the end-all and be-all
> of most Americans'
> >existence.
> >
> >Returning here last year from Australia ~ after 12
> years ~ I was aghast at
> >the continued stupidity and ignorance.  You know, I
> don't really care
> >about the bloody American troops.  I'm sorry.  They
> chose to fight for
> >stupidity ~ not freedom ~ not to kill Saddam
> Hussein, a man who was in bed
> >with the Bush Sr and the American goverment for
> many, many years.  Saddam
> >just got tired of sucking dick and told the USA to
> fuck off ~ they had no
> >rights to Iraqi oil.  Saddam is certainly not good.
>  But I think he has
> >been somewhat reformed.  Say this to an American?
> He/she will punch you
> >in the face.  American troops are murdering
> innocent Iraqi women and
> >children.  Liberation, is of course, what the US
> gov't calls it.
> >
> >So I get blasted by folks on zetatalk for
> mentioning the war.  I have a
> >phone conversation with a person who is passionate
> about zetatalk who was
> >in orgasmic glee about the bombing in Iraq and how
> they deserved it by
> >what "they" did to USA on 911.  I asked him if he
> read zetatalk?  Have you
> >read what was said about 911 on zetatalk?
> >
> >Very confusing.  I'm not so sure about zetatalk
> anymore because I think it
> >is somewhat an intellectual exercise for many of
> those involved.  And
> >fear.  Unbelievable fear.
> >
> >The opposite of fear is love.  I have written many
> emails here about what
> >I perceived as "Love" on zetatalk, and not a single
> response.
> >
> >So where is the Love?
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: sherlock_555
> >Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:49 AM
> >To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [tt-welcome] Please Wake Up
> >
> >I really do care about the people at this website.
> As I have said
> >before I came here in response to a client who was
> so full of fear
> >he couldn't function. I stayed and read every word
> to find out for
> >myself what it was all about. After doing so I used
> ONLY the
> >information provided by the "Zetas" to try and show
> you how
> >incorrect and corrupt this information is ......
> it simply does not
> >add up and contradicts itself from one area to the
> next.
> >
> >For that I was attacked and dismissed as another
> "disinformation"
> >person sent to destract you from the truth.  A few
> of you actually
> >followed up and checked out the same information
> for yourselves and
> >saw exactly what I did. You don't have to be a
> rocket scientist -
> >you just have to actually think for yourself .. Has
> it ever occured
> >to you that the whole of ZetaTalk might be one of
> the most well
> >organized disinformation sites?
> >
> >I know that my words will probably fall on deaf
> ears but at least I
> >will know that I did not turn my back and tried to
> help.  Look at
> >the world around you. We have a whole nation that
> used to be
> >respected by the world attacking and killing
> another nation - they
> >have knowingly done so with the only proof being a
> plagiarized
> >college student's thesis from ten years ago and
> proven forged
> >documents. Bin Ladin morphed into Saddam Hussein
> and children lie in
> >streets torn apart - free at last by the mighty
> American army.
> >
> >How can you watch this and not start asking who is
> pulling your
> >strings? Please start thinking for yourselves!  The
> most brilliant
> >way to control a real event is by creating a false
> one ahead of time
> >so that no one pays attention.
> >
> >I challenge any of you who really want to at least
> open your mind to
> >go click on the file below. Quit blindly attacking
> anyone who
> >challenges your fear.  Challenge it yourself!  Your
> life is not in
> >any danger from Planet X in May but your freedom
> is!
> >
> >http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/clip33.rm
> >
> >
> >
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Good Morning.

I would like to join in with this activity. Some what experienced in this
activity, both giving and receiving. Please provide any contact information
to me at mfull@...

Mel
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Randa Jazairi [mailto:randajaza@...]
   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 6:22 AM
   To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [tt-welcome] Seth-like teaching in Taiwan


   I would be interested in hearing more.

   I practised Falun Dafa when living in the South Pacific.  Li Hongzhi is a
great healer and was forced to leave China and the millions upon millions of
followers in China.  The aftermath was the persecution and murder of a great
many practitioners by the Chinese government.

   Therein is a concern for Dr Ma.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: kairos613
   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 8:30 AM
   To: tt-welcome@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [tt-welcome] Seth-like teaching in Taiwan

   I am an American living in the Republic of China who stumbled across
   a man who for the last 15 years has been channeling a teaching
   similiar in many ways to that of Seth. The main difference is that
   the ideas of the teaching have been applied to concrete methods that
   can be used in the fields of mind-body healing and education. These
   methods were channeled along with the ideas and concepts. They were
   not developed afterwards based on the ideas.
   As anyone who has read Seth can imagine, the methods are very
   powerful. I know this will be hard to believe and I almost hesistate
   to write it, but to date the healing methods have never failed to
   cure any disease. Diabetes, liver disease, cancer have all been
   cured. Tumors have been dissolved in 20 minutes.
   I have witnessed many healings and in fact met the man who has
   channeled the information, Dr. Ma, by becoming his patient. I was
   the victim of a bad bicycle accident and had seriuos problems with
   my stomach and liver. In three months he virtually gave be a new
   body.
   The results in the fields of education and mind-body-spirit toxin
   release have been equally stunning. The latter could, I believe,
   solve many psychological problems.

   The name of the teaching is Space Therapy. Although it is not
   something that can be explained in a paragraph or two, one important
   concept that is utilized is the fact that we have many coexisting
   selves. By hooking up our former healthy self and our current
   diseased/distressed self, healing is accomplished. Dr. Ma actually
   performs healing with his 20 year old self (he's 53 now). Other
   methods are less esoteric and seem to be a type of energy medicine.

   This man has, like Jane Roberts, channeled thousands of pages. The
   difference between him and Jane is that he is lucid when he
   channels. Thus he has, in effect, been tutored by the higher power
   that has been visiting him. He is capable of teaching the
   information revealed to him in a way Jane could never do.

   Unfortunately, unlike Jane he has not been blessed with any of the
   resources he needs to properly develop and disseminate his
   information. He needs a team of people to help him translate and
   publish his material, to learn with him intensively, to perform
   experiments, etc.

   I have written some basic information on his ideas and techniques in
   English and would be happy to share it with interested parties.
   Ideally, of course, I would like to find a foundation to support
   this man and bring all of the wisdom and methods he has to offer to
   the world.
   I especially welcome inquiries from speakers of Chinese.

   Sincerely,
   Matthew Clarke



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Hey Folks:

I've been following Zeta Talk on and off for about a year and a half.  And,
the only advice I can add to this forum is ~ only time will tell.  I think
what's most important is to be spiritually balanced in your lives; this will
help you to deal with just about anything that comes your way.  Although
Planet X may or may not materialize, I think we can all agree that we live in
a rather crazy world right now... and many agree it will only get crazier
before it gets any better.  My strong sense is that we're in for war that
could last for at least a few years [and include other countries besides
Iraq]... hopefully, it will not go nuclear.  And, there have been actual
reports / evidence that earth's core is heating up and that the poles are
shifting... so, it's likely this activity will result in some earth changes
before it's all over.  Many feel we are likely to experience some heavy-duty
earth shifting prior to 2012.

So my advice to you guys, is not to live in fear, spiritually balance
yourselves, and live each day as if it were your last... becauase I think we
can at least all agree that life is short and unpredictable at that.  Peace.

Hali


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Saturday (April 5)  there will be another Zetatalk IRC session, starting
at 22:00 UTC/GMT (
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/  http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
http://www.timeanddate.com/time/abbreviations.html) .

Eastern standard time: 17:00
Atlantic standard time : 18:00
Pacific standard time:  14:00
Central Standard time: 16:00
Mountain standard time:  15:00

The name of the channel is #zetatalk and
can be found on the Undernet
more info about the IRC sessions can be found on
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z01.htm

Hi SC,  That was David Cole.  I've also got one of these flashlights,
having become somewhat of a techno LED flashlight collector or flashaholic
as some would say.  While this is a unique flashlight it is fairly large
and bulky, puts out rather low light and starts to dim an just a few
minutes.  I like the idea but for practicality by far the best LED
flashlight I have found is considered to be the world's most high tech
flashlight - the Eternalight - which runs for up to 2,800 hours on just 3
standard AA alkaline batteries.  If you replace those with AA Lithium
batteries you will get about 30% more time out of them.  Considering the
shelf life of Lithiums (about 10 years) under even heavy use you probably
won't need batteries for years.  I've owned one with alkaline batteries for
3 years now and have still not had to replace the batteries.  The
Eternalights are advertised as good for 700 hours in a low power mode but
if you read the owner's manual you will see that in the lowest power mode
they are good for over 2,800 hours of continuous use (that's 4 months of
24/7 use!).  They are small (look similar to the original Star Trek phaser
- Captain Kirk era) , waterproof, will send an automatic SOS, auto-power
off, adjustable strobe, and have many other modes built in.  They are very
rugged, have been drop tested on to pavement from over 50 feet, been driven
over by a truck and still work.  The Ergo Marine model comes with AA
Lithium batteries and will float in water (due to the lighter weight of the
Lithium batteries) and I believe has been certified to 100' under water but
was even tested and still working after a depth of 250' (developed a slight
leak at that depth but worked after dried out).  Incredibly these are not
nearly as expensive as some of the latest crop of LED lights that I have
seen going for $100 to $200 (check on the ARC LED flashlight series).  The
standard Eternalight was retailing for $59.95 but is now $39.99 from the
manufacturer and the Marine model is $54.99 from them.  I bought a quantity
of the Eternalight Ergo Marine model and will offer anyone here who wants
one in the U.S. for $35.  I don't think you will find a cheaper price
anywhere but feel free to look around.  These are brand new in the box with
3 AA Lithium batteries installed.  For complete info and specs on these
check out the manufacturer's web site at www.techass.com  or to go straight
to the Ergo Marine model see :  http://www.techass.com/el/elm3m/elm3m.php
These weigh only 3.25 oz. and come with a limited Lifetime Warranty.  They
have message forums on the web site and obviously everyone who owns one
loves these lights as you will see if you read some messages there.  It's a
unique and friendly company with a great American made product.  Sorry for
the lengthy email but I am very stoked about these lights.  I've been on
this list for a long time but haven't posted much as I've been busy
preparing and an Eternalight is one of the top items on my survival
list.  If anyone is interested please send email directly to me.
At 03:45 AM 4/4/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Does anyone have a copy of the emails from the guy who made the
>everlasting flashlights? I understand there was an offer of a slight
>discount for ZT members?
>
>SC
>
>
>
>
>
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Just a couple more tidbits of info for anyone interested in the Eternalight
Ergo Marine - it is about 17% brighter on the brightest mode than the
standard Ergo 3 model.  It is the same brightness as their latest EliteMax
which sells for $99.
Small pocket-sized ergonomic shape is comfortable to hold. Measures only
2/5/8" x 3 5/8" x 1".
Corrosion resistant standard size stainless steel machine screws.
Threaded brass inserts.
Powerful magnet allows for quick attachment to metal or magnetic surfaces.
The magnet is on the back of the light (inside).
Large feet allow for upright room lighting.
Lanyard hole and safety break-away lanyard for easy tethering.
A couple other places selling these:
http://www.securityworld.com/lighting/92388.html  still the original price
here of $89.95
http://www.flashlightavenue.com/ergo-marine.html  selling here for $49.00
I will sell for $35. plus actual shipping cost - your choice of Fedex or
USPS (possible UPS too but it's a long drive).  I can take PayPal but
contact me for payment details.  I also have a few of the Ergo 3 models but
must sell them at the same price as I paid as much for them as the Marine
models (which was a special deal).  I'm probably nuts to sell these this
cheap as there is very little profit in it for me but I want people to have
the best light possible and I believe this is it.
Peace and Light
**++*+***++* Whizard +**+**+++*+*