Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
tt-forum · Troubled Times Forum
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Want your group to be featured on the Yahoo! Groups website? Add a group photo to Flickr.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
Messages 8621 - 8651 of 8651   Newest  |  < Newer  |  Older >  |  Oldest
Messages: Show Message Summaries   (Group by Topic) Sort by Date v  
#8651 From: "asoaringhawk" <aSoaringHawk@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:40 pm
Subject: Re: INSECTS AS FOOD YES!
asoaringhawk
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
A good article on this:

EATING BUGS!

By Aletheia Price
http://www.manataka.org/page160.html


--- In tt-forum@yahoogroups.com, "MikeL" <mikelob@...> wrote:
>
> Author unknown - This write up was from a native American site back in 2004.
> I Ran across it recently and thought it too good to not send.
>
> INSECTS AS FOOD YES! OUI, OUI!:
>
> THERE  IS SCARCELY ANY KIND OF INSECT WHICH A SURVIVOR COULD
> NOT SAFELY EAT.
>
> Starvation next to impossible!
>
> INSECTS ARE WONDERFUL FOOD BEING MOSTLY FAT & FAR MORE
> STRENGTHENING THAN EITHER FISH OR MEAT.
>
> IT DOES NOT TAKE MANY INSECTS TO KEEP YOU FIT. (ASK A BEAR.)
>
> Don't  be  squeamish  about  eating insects  as  it  is
> entirely uncalled for. In parts of Mexico the most
> nutritious food is made from the eggs of small insects found
> in the marshes.
>
> In  Japan  #draning needles# or dragon flies are  delicacy.
> They have a delicious delicate taste so BE SURE to try them
> after  all millions of Japanese can't be all wrong.
>
> MOTHS, MAYFLIES IN FACT ABOUT ALL THE INSECTS FOUND IN THE
> WOODS ARE VERY EDIBLE = (GOOD.)
>
> The  only one which gives a bitter taste is the ants because
> they contain formic acid.
>
> Grasshoppers  or  locust  are  considered  a  delicacy  in
> many countries. It is best to remove wings and legs & toast
> the  body on  a stick. So are cicadas*, termites, locusts
> and crickets  ARE EDIBLE.
>
> REMEMBER  that ALL Locusts, crickets, termites, ants, larva
> etc. have  double  advantages; easy to catch &  nourishing,
> fried  or roasted  gives a better taste & they are an
> EXCELLENT  SOURCE  OF PROTEINS.
>
> However as for ALL the insects one MUST remember to cook
> them all in order to get rid of any parasites. Just remove
> the head, wings and legs & cook them in steam or  fry them.
>
> Also  #chenille#  are  good food sources but  AVOID  to  eat
> the #chenille a poils# since numerous species of them are toxic.
>
> INSECTS HUNTING:  (It buggs me?)
>
> An ancient method for securing already cooked insects,
> reptiles & small  animals is to fire large tracks of
> grassland and  then  to comb them for whatever may have been
> roasted by the fire. A  small  light at night is all that
> you need to get you all  the insects you need to keep you in
> good conditions even Rambozoro or Jane.
>
> If  the  weather is too cold for flying insects, kick  open
> some rotten  logs or look under stones and get some grubs.
> They  keep bear fat & healthy and will do the same for you
> dear. Insects  can be used as bait to get birds or fishes
> and that  the best  time to capture them is in the morning
> when they are  still numbed by the cold night.
>
> ANT'S LEMONADE:  (Anyone?)
>
> Some  aborigines have capitalized on the ants' acidity by
> mashing them  in  water sweetened with berries or sap to
> make a  sort  of lemonade. The eggs and the young of the ant
> are also eaten.
>
> INSECTS & WORMS:
>
> Best  boiled.  Cook and mince them by crushing  in  a  can.
> More acceptable dried on hot rocks and then ground into a
> powder  with which  to  enrich  soups  and stews. The  large
> types  of  worms particularly are eaten in many countries.
> So eat them before they eat you?!
>
> GRUBS:
>
> The  white wood burrowing Larvae of Beetles is usually
> found  in rotten  logs. Remove the head, thorax and legs and
> eat. The  eggs ARE  EDIBLE  but are dry and tasteless.
> Maggots are good  to  eat too.
>
> SNAILS:
>
> Both  aquatic  or terrestrial snails are an excellent
> source of food when obtainable.
>

#8650 From: "Horatio Lembo" <Beenthdonedat@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:24 pm
Subject: RE: Re: INSECTS AS FOOD YES!
beenthdoneda...
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Hi guys. I dont know about any particular parasites/diseases specific to
any insect group, Im sure that the info is out there. Cooking them
thoroughly should kill what they carry as well, supposedly. The thing is
that you dont want to overcook them and dry up the insides too much, and
for the protein to be all gone, as soon as they are hot enough and golden
brown, bon apptit! I have eaten ants, several different larvae, and
crickets (I think that there might have been a grasshopper or two mixed in).
They are good with some chili pepper sprinkled on, but then again, after the
PS, beggars cant be choosers.

Horatio.



From: tt-forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tt-forum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tian Boon
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 14:54
To: tt-forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [tt-forum] Re: INSECTS AS FOOD YES!





It depends on the environment where they live.

When I was a little boy, I was fed with roasted cockroaches, those
cockroaches were caught inside the kitchen cupboard and they were fairly
clean.

Tian.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary" <melkdav@... <mailto:melkdav%40gmail.com> >
To: <tt-forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:tt-forum%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:44 AM
Subject: [tt-forum] Re: INSECTS AS FOOD YES!

>I have a question: I have heard that cockroaches and waterbugs carry
>diseases? Are they safe when cooked, or should they be avoided? Mary
>
> --- In tt-forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:tt-forum%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Tian Boon" <tian.boon@...> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Mikel, I am not too sure if there are some poisonous insects that
>> we
>> could not identify beside scorpions, but a friend of mine who was in the
>> military were told during their training that anything underground is
>> safe
>> to eat like grubs and tubers, some plant above ground might be poisonous
>> like some mushrooms, try to avoid mushrooms even you know the edible
>> species, some of the poisonous one will mimic the edible one.
>> Tian.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "MikeL" <mikelob@...>
>> To: "TT-Forum" <tt-forum@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:tt-forum%40yahoogroups.com> >
>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:27 PM
>> Subject: [tt-forum] INSECTS AS FOOD YES!
>>
>>
>> > Author unknown - This write up was from a native American site back in
>> > 2004.
>> > I Ran across it recently and thought it too good to not send.
>> >
>> > INSECTS AS FOOD YES! OUI, OUI!:
>> >
>> > THERE IS SCARCELY ANY KIND OF INSECT WHICH A SURVIVOR COULD
>> > NOT SAFELY EAT.
>> >
>> > Starvation next to impossible!
>> >
>> > INSECTS ARE WONDERFUL FOOD BEING MOSTLY FAT & FAR MORE
>> > STRENGTHENING THAN EITHER FISH OR MEAT.
>> >
>> > IT DOES NOT TAKE MANY INSECTS TO KEEP YOU FIT. (ASK A BEAR.)
>> >
>> > Don't be squeamish about eating insects as it is
>> > entirely uncalled for. In parts of Mexico the most
>> > nutritious food is made from the eggs of small insects found
>> > in the marshes.
>> >
>> > In Japan #draning needles# or dragon flies are delicacy.
>> > They have a delicious delicate taste so BE SURE to try them
>> > after all millions of Japanese can't be all wrong.
>> >
>> > MOTHS, MAYFLIES IN FACT ABOUT ALL THE INSECTS FOUND IN THE
>> > WOODS ARE VERY EDIBLE = (GOOD.)
>> >
>> > The only one which gives a bitter taste is the ants because
>> > they contain formic acid.
>> >
>> > Grasshoppers or locust are considered a delicacy in
>> > many countries. It is best to remove wings and legs & toast
>> > the body on a stick. So are cicadas*, termites, locusts
>> > and crickets ARE EDIBLE.
>> >
>> > REMEMBER that ALL Locusts, crickets, termites, ants, larva
>> > etc. have double advantages; easy to catch & nourishing,
>> > fried or roasted gives a better taste & they are an
>> > EXCELLENT SOURCE OF PROTEINS.
>> >
>> > However as for ALL the insects one MUST remember to cook
>> > them all in order to get rid of any parasites. Just remove
>> > the head, wings and legs & cook them in steam or fry them.
>> >
>> > Also #chenille# are good food sources but AVOID to eat
>> > the #chenille a poils# since numerous species of them are toxic.
>> >
>> > INSECTS HUNTING: (It buggs me?)
>> >
>> > An ancient method for securing already cooked insects,
>> > reptiles & small animals is to fire large tracks of
>> > grassland and then to comb them for whatever may have been
>> > roasted by the fire. A small light at night is all that
>> > you need to get you all the insects you need to keep you in
>> > good conditions even Rambozoro or Jane.
>> >
>> > If the weather is too cold for flying insects, kick open
>> > some rotten logs or look under stones and get some grubs.
>> > They keep bear fat & healthy and will do the same for you
>> > dear. Insects can be used as bait to get birds or fishes
>> > and that the best time to capture them is in the morning
>> > when they are still numbed by the cold night.
>> >
>> > ANT'S LEMONADE: (Anyone?)
>> >
>> > Some aborigines have capitalized on the ants' acidity by
>> > mashing them in water sweetened with berries or sap to
>> > make a sort of lemonade. The eggs and the young of the ant
>> > are also eaten.
>> >
>> > INSECTS & WORMS:
>> >
>> > Best boiled. Cook and mince them by crushing in a can.
>> > More acceptable dried on hot rocks and then ground into a
>> > powder with which to enrich soups and stews. The large
>> > types of worms particularly are eaten in many countries.
>> > So eat them before they eat you?!
>> >
>> > GRUBS:
>> >
>> > The white wood burrowing Larvae of Beetles is usually
>> > found in rotten logs. Remove the head, thorax and legs and
>> > eat. The eggs ARE EDIBLE but are dry and tasteless.
>> > Maggots are good to eat too.
>> >
>> > SNAILS:
>> >
>> > Both aquatic or terrestrial snails are an excellent
>> > source of food when obtainable.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8649 From: "Tian Boon" <tian.boon@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:53 pm
Subject: Re: Re: INSECTS AS FOOD YES!
tianboontian...
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
It depends on the environment where they live.

When I was a little boy, I was fed with roasted cockroaches, those
cockroaches were caught inside the kitchen cupboard and they were fairly
clean.

Tian.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary" <melkdav@...>
To: <tt-forum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:44 AM
Subject: [tt-forum] Re: INSECTS AS FOOD YES!


>I have a question: I have heard that cockroaches and waterbugs carry
>diseases? Are they safe when cooked, or should they be avoided? Mary
>
> --- In tt-forum@yahoogroups.com, "Tian Boon" <tian.boon@...> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Mikel, I am not too sure if there are some poisonous insects that
>> we
>> could not identify beside scorpions, but a friend of mine who was in the
>> military were told during their training that anything underground is
>> safe
>> to eat like grubs and tubers, some plant above ground might be poisonous
>> like some mushrooms,  try to avoid mushrooms even you know the edible
>> species, some of the poisonous one will mimic the edible one.
>> Tian.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "MikeL" <mikelob@...>
>> To: "TT-Forum" <tt-forum@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:27 PM
>> Subject: [tt-forum] INSECTS AS FOOD YES!
>>
>>
>> > Author unknown - This write up was from a native American site back in
>> > 2004.
>> > I Ran across it recently and thought it too good to not send.
>> >
>> > INSECTS AS FOOD YES! OUI, OUI!:
>> >
>> > THERE  IS SCARCELY ANY KIND OF INSECT WHICH A SURVIVOR COULD
>> > NOT SAFELY EAT.
>> >
>> > Starvation next to impossible!
>> >
>> > INSECTS ARE WONDERFUL FOOD BEING MOSTLY FAT & FAR MORE
>> > STRENGTHENING THAN EITHER FISH OR MEAT.
>> >
>> > IT DOES NOT TAKE MANY INSECTS TO KEEP YOU FIT. (ASK A BEAR.)
>> >
>> > Don't  be  squeamish  about  eating insects  as  it  is
>> > entirely uncalled for. In parts of Mexico the most
>> > nutritious food is made from the eggs of small insects found
>> > in the marshes.
>> >
>> > In  Japan  #draning needles# or dragon flies are  delicacy.
>> > They have a delicious delicate taste so BE SURE to try them
>> > after  all millions of Japanese can't be all wrong.
>> >
>> > MOTHS, MAYFLIES IN FACT ABOUT ALL THE INSECTS FOUND IN THE
>> > WOODS ARE VERY EDIBLE = (GOOD.)
>> >
>> > The  only one which gives a bitter taste is the ants because
>> > they contain formic acid.
>> >
>> > Grasshoppers  or  locust  are  considered  a  delicacy  in
>> > many countries. It is best to remove wings and legs & toast
>> > the  body on  a stick. So are cicadas*, termites, locusts
>> > and crickets  ARE EDIBLE.
>> >
>> > REMEMBER  that ALL Locusts, crickets, termites, ants, larva
>> > etc. have  double  advantages; easy to catch &  nourishing,
>> > fried  or roasted  gives a better taste & they are an
>> > EXCELLENT  SOURCE  OF PROTEINS.
>> >
>> > However as for ALL the insects one MUST remember to cook
>> > them all in order to get rid of any parasites. Just remove
>> > the head, wings and legs & cook them in steam or  fry them.
>> >
>> > Also  #chenille#  are  good food sources but  AVOID  to  eat
>> > the #chenille a poils# since numerous species of them are toxic.
>> >
>> > INSECTS HUNTING:  (It buggs me?)
>> >
>> > An ancient method for securing already cooked insects,
>> > reptiles & small  animals is to fire large tracks of
>> > grassland and  then  to comb them for whatever may have been
>> > roasted by the fire. A  small  light at night is all that
>> > you need to get you all  the insects you need to keep you in
>> > good conditions even Rambozoro or Jane.
>> >
>> > If  the  weather is too cold for flying insects, kick  open
>> > some rotten  logs or look under stones and get some grubs.
>> > They  keep bear fat & healthy and will do the same for you
>> > dear. Insects  can be used as bait to get birds or fishes
>> > and that  the best  time to capture them is in the morning
>> > when they are  still numbed by the cold night.
>> >
>> > ANT'S LEMONADE:  (Anyone?)
>> >
>> > Some  aborigines have capitalized on the ants' acidity by
>> > mashing them  in  water sweetened with berries or sap to
>> > make a  sort  of lemonade. The eggs and the young of the ant
>> > are also eaten.
>> >
>> > INSECTS & WORMS:
>> >
>> > Best  boiled.  Cook and mince them by crushing  in  a  can.
>> > More acceptable dried on hot rocks and then ground into a
>> > powder  with which  to  enrich  soups  and stews. The  large
>> > types  of  worms particularly are eaten in many countries.
>> > So eat them before they eat you?!
>> >
>> > GRUBS:
>> >
>> > The  white wood burrowing Larvae of Beetles is usually
>> > found  in rotten  logs. Remove the head, thorax and legs and
>> > eat. The  eggs ARE  EDIBLE  but are dry and tasteless.
>> > Maggots are good  to  eat too.
>> >
>> > SNAILS:
>> >
>> > Both  aquatic  or terrestrial snails are an excellent
>> > source of food when obtainable.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

#8648 From: "Mary" <melkdav@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: INSECTS AS FOOD YES!
melkdavis
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
I have a question: I have heard that cockroaches and waterbugs carry diseases?
Are they safe when cooked, or should they be avoided? Mary

--- In tt-forum@yahoogroups.com, "Tian Boon" <tian.boon@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mikel, I am not too sure if there are some poisonous insects that we
> could not identify beside scorpions, but a friend of mine who was in the
> military were told during their training that anything underground is safe
> to eat like grubs and tubers, some plant above ground might be poisonous
> like some mushrooms,  try to avoid mushrooms even you know the edible
> species, some of the poisonous one will mimic the edible one.
> Tian.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MikeL" <mikelob@...>
> To: "TT-Forum" <tt-forum@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:27 PM
> Subject: [tt-forum] INSECTS AS FOOD YES!
>
>
> > Author unknown - This write up was from a native American site back in
> > 2004.
> > I Ran across it recently and thought it too good to not send.
> >
> > INSECTS AS FOOD YES! OUI, OUI!:
> >
> > THERE  IS SCARCELY ANY KIND OF INSECT WHICH A SURVIVOR COULD
> > NOT SAFELY EAT.
> >
> > Starvation next to impossible!
> >
> > INSECTS ARE WONDERFUL FOOD BEING MOSTLY FAT & FAR MORE
> > STRENGTHENING THAN EITHER FISH OR MEAT.
> >
> > IT DOES NOT TAKE MANY INSECTS TO KEEP YOU FIT. (ASK A BEAR.)
> >
> > Don't  be  squeamish  about  eating insects  as  it  is
> > entirely uncalled for. In parts of Mexico the most
> > nutritious food is made from the eggs of small insects found
> > in the marshes.
> >
> > In  Japan  #draning needles# or dragon flies are  delicacy.
> > They have a delicious delicate taste so BE SURE to try them
> > after  all millions of Japanese can't be all wrong.
> >
> > MOTHS, MAYFLIES IN FACT ABOUT ALL THE INSECTS FOUND IN THE
> > WOODS ARE VERY EDIBLE = (GOOD.)
> >
> > The  only one which gives a bitter taste is the ants because
> > they contain formic acid.
> >
> > Grasshoppers  or  locust  are  considered  a  delicacy  in
> > many countries. It is best to remove wings and legs & toast
> > the  body on  a stick. So are cicadas*, termites, locusts
> > and crickets  ARE EDIBLE.
> >
> > REMEMBER  that ALL Locusts, crickets, termites, ants, larva
> > etc. have  double  advantages; easy to catch &  nourishing,
> > fried  or roasted  gives a better taste & they are an
> > EXCELLENT  SOURCE  OF PROTEINS.
> >
> > However as for ALL the insects one MUST remember to cook
> > them all in order to get rid of any parasites. Just remove
> > the head, wings and legs & cook them in steam or  fry them.
> >
> > Also  #chenille#  are  good food sources but  AVOID  to  eat
> > the #chenille a poils# since numerous species of them are toxic.
> >
> > INSECTS HUNTING:  (It buggs me?)
> >
> > An ancient method for securing already cooked insects,
> > reptiles & small  animals is to fire large tracks of
> > grassland and  then  to comb them for whatever may have been
> > roasted by the fire. A  small  light at night is all that
> > you need to get you all  the insects you need to keep you in
> > good conditions even Rambozoro or Jane.
> >
> > If  the  weather is too cold for flying insects, kick  open
> > some rotten  logs or look under stones and get some grubs.
> > They  keep bear fat & healthy and will do the same for you
> > dear. Insects  can be used as bait to get birds or fishes
> > and that  the best  time to capture them is in the morning
> > when they are  still numbed by the cold night.
> >
> > ANT'S LEMONADE:  (Anyone?)
> >
> > Some  aborigines have capitalized on the ants' acidity by
> > mashing them  in  water sweetened with berries or sap to
> > make a  sort  of lemonade. The eggs and the young of the ant
> > are also eaten.
> >
> > INSECTS & WORMS:
> >
> > Best  boiled.  Cook and mince them by crushing  in  a  can.
> > More acceptable dried on hot rocks and then ground into a
> > powder  with which  to  enrich  soups  and stews. The  large
> > types  of  worms particularly are eaten in many countries.
> > So eat them before they eat you?!
> >
> > GRUBS:
> >
> > The  white wood burrowing Larvae of Beetles is usually
> > found  in rotten  logs. Remove the head, thorax and legs and
> > eat. The  eggs ARE  EDIBLE  but are dry and tasteless.
> > Maggots are good  to  eat too.
> >
> > SNAILS:
> >
> > Both  aquatic  or terrestrial snails are an excellent
> > source of food when obtainable.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

#8647 From: "Tian Boon" <tian.boon@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: INSECTS AS FOOD YES!
tianboontian...
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Thanks Mikel, I am not too sure if there are some poisonous insects that we
could not identify beside scorpions, but a friend of mine who was in the
military were told during their training that anything underground is safe
to eat like grubs and tubers, some plant above ground might be poisonous
like some mushrooms,  try to avoid mushrooms even you know the edible
species, some of the poisonous one will mimic the edible one.
Tian.


----- Original Message -----
From: "MikeL" <mikelob@...>
To: "TT-Forum" <tt-forum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:27 PM
Subject: [tt-forum] INSECTS AS FOOD YES!


> Author unknown - This write up was from a native American site back in
> 2004.
> I Ran across it recently and thought it too good to not send.
>
> INSECTS AS FOOD YES! OUI, OUI!:
>
> THERE  IS SCARCELY ANY KIND OF INSECT WHICH A SURVIVOR COULD
> NOT SAFELY EAT.
>
> Starvation next to impossible!
>
> INSECTS ARE WONDERFUL FOOD BEING MOSTLY FAT & FAR MORE
> STRENGTHENING THAN EITHER FISH OR MEAT.
>
> IT DOES NOT TAKE MANY INSECTS TO KEEP YOU FIT. (ASK A BEAR.)
>
> Don't  be  squeamish  about  eating insects  as  it  is
> entirely uncalled for. In parts of Mexico the most
> nutritious food is made from the eggs of small insects found
> in the marshes.
>
> In  Japan  #draning needles# or dragon flies are  delicacy.
> They have a delicious delicate taste so BE SURE to try them
> after  all millions of Japanese can't be all wrong.
>
> MOTHS, MAYFLIES IN FACT ABOUT ALL THE INSECTS FOUND IN THE
> WOODS ARE VERY EDIBLE = (GOOD.)
>
> The  only one which gives a bitter taste is the ants because
> they contain formic acid.
>
> Grasshoppers  or  locust  are  considered  a  delicacy  in
> many countries. It is best to remove wings and legs & toast
> the  body on  a stick. So are cicadas*, termites, locusts
> and crickets  ARE EDIBLE.
>
> REMEMBER  that ALL Locusts, crickets, termites, ants, larva
> etc. have  double  advantages; easy to catch &  nourishing,
> fried  or roasted  gives a better taste & they are an
> EXCELLENT  SOURCE  OF PROTEINS.
>
> However as for ALL the insects one MUST remember to cook
> them all in order to get rid of any parasites. Just remove
> the head, wings and legs & cook them in steam or  fry them.
>
> Also  #chenille#  are  good food sources but  AVOID  to  eat
> the #chenille a poils# since numerous species of them are toxic.
>
> INSECTS HUNTING:  (It buggs me?)
>
> An ancient method for securing already cooked insects,
> reptiles & small  animals is to fire large tracks of
> grassland and  then  to comb them for whatever may have been
> roasted by the fire. A  small  light at night is all that
> you need to get you all  the insects you need to keep you in
> good conditions even Rambozoro or Jane.
>
> If  the  weather is too cold for flying insects, kick  open
> some rotten  logs or look under stones and get some grubs.
> They  keep bear fat & healthy and will do the same for you
> dear. Insects  can be used as bait to get birds or fishes
> and that  the best  time to capture them is in the morning
> when they are  still numbed by the cold night.
>
> ANT'S LEMONADE:  (Anyone?)
>
> Some  aborigines have capitalized on the ants' acidity by
> mashing them  in  water sweetened with berries or sap to
> make a  sort  of lemonade. The eggs and the young of the ant
> are also eaten.
>
> INSECTS & WORMS:
>
> Best  boiled.  Cook and mince them by crushing  in  a  can.
> More acceptable dried on hot rocks and then ground into a
> powder  with which  to  enrich  soups  and stews. The  large
> types  of  worms particularly are eaten in many countries.
> So eat them before they eat you?!
>
> GRUBS:
>
> The  white wood burrowing Larvae of Beetles is usually
> found  in rotten  logs. Remove the head, thorax and legs and
> eat. The  eggs ARE  EDIBLE  but are dry and tasteless.
> Maggots are good  to  eat too.
>
> SNAILS:
>
> Both  aquatic  or terrestrial snails are an excellent
> source of food when obtainable.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

#8646 From: "MikeL" <mikelob@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:27 pm
Subject: INSECTS AS FOOD YES!
mikelob2003
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Author unknown - This write up was from a native American site back in 2004.
I Ran across it recently and thought it too good to not send.

INSECTS AS FOOD YES! OUI, OUI!:

THERE  IS SCARCELY ANY KIND OF INSECT WHICH A SURVIVOR COULD
NOT SAFELY EAT.

Starvation next to impossible!

INSECTS ARE WONDERFUL FOOD BEING MOSTLY FAT & FAR MORE
STRENGTHENING THAN EITHER FISH OR MEAT.

IT DOES NOT TAKE MANY INSECTS TO KEEP YOU FIT. (ASK A BEAR.)

Don't  be  squeamish  about  eating insects  as  it  is
entirely uncalled for. In parts of Mexico the most
nutritious food is made from the eggs of small insects found
in the marshes.

In  Japan  #draning needles# or dragon flies are  delicacy.
They have a delicious delicate taste so BE SURE to try them
after  all millions of Japanese can't be all wrong.

MOTHS, MAYFLIES IN FACT ABOUT ALL THE INSECTS FOUND IN THE
WOODS ARE VERY EDIBLE = (GOOD.)

The  only one which gives a bitter taste is the ants because
they contain formic acid.

Grasshoppers  or  locust  are  considered  a  delicacy  in
many countries. It is best to remove wings and legs & toast
the  body on  a stick. So are cicadas*, termites, locusts
and crickets  ARE EDIBLE.

REMEMBER  that ALL Locusts, crickets, termites, ants, larva
etc. have  double  advantages; easy to catch &  nourishing,
fried  or roasted  gives a better taste & they are an
EXCELLENT  SOURCE  OF PROTEINS.

However as for ALL the insects one MUST remember to cook
them all in order to get rid of any parasites. Just remove
the head, wings and legs & cook them in steam or  fry them.

Also  #chenille#  are  good food sources but  AVOID  to  eat
the #chenille a poils# since numerous species of them are toxic.

INSECTS HUNTING:  (It buggs me?)

An ancient method for securing already cooked insects,
reptiles & small  animals is to fire large tracks of
grassland and  then  to comb them for whatever may have been
roasted by the fire. A  small  light at night is all that
you need to get you all  the insects you need to keep you in
good conditions even Rambozoro or Jane.

If  the  weather is too cold for flying insects, kick  open
some rotten  logs or look under stones and get some grubs.
They  keep bear fat & healthy and will do the same for you
dear. Insects  can be used as bait to get birds or fishes
and that  the best  time to capture them is in the morning
when they are  still numbed by the cold night.

ANT'S LEMONADE:  (Anyone?)

Some  aborigines have capitalized on the ants' acidity by
mashing them  in  water sweetened with berries or sap to
make a  sort  of lemonade. The eggs and the young of the ant
are also eaten.

INSECTS & WORMS:

Best  boiled.  Cook and mince them by crushing  in  a  can.
More acceptable dried on hot rocks and then ground into a
powder  with which  to  enrich  soups  and stews. The  large
types  of  worms particularly are eaten in many countries.
So eat them before they eat you?!

GRUBS:

The  white wood burrowing Larvae of Beetles is usually
found  in rotten  logs. Remove the head, thorax and legs and
eat. The  eggs ARE  EDIBLE  but are dry and tasteless.
Maggots are good  to  eat too.

SNAILS:

Both  aquatic  or terrestrial snails are an excellent
source of food when obtainable.

#8645 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:56 am
Subject: Boat Tail Truck Economize fuel By 7.5 Percent
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
A truck that have a tapering protrusion which is mounted on the back end
of a truck is about two meters tail ends length has been shown to reduce
fuel consumption about 7.5%.It has been verified by road tests conducted
by the Dutch PART (Platform for Aerodynamic Road Transport)
public-private partnership platform.Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8644 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:08 am
Subject: Novacell Portable Solar Charger,Recharge Eveywhere
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Novacell has introduced Novacell Portable Solar Charger that will able
provide electric power for recharged your gadget batteries and is able
to literally be put into your pockets because of its small and you can
taken anywhere if you need it. Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8643 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:06 am
Subject: Commercial Flights To Use Biofuels By 2010
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Attempts to obtain clean and green energy to save the earth could be
done in order to reduce footprints carbon.The International Air
Transport Association (IATA) is committed to find a biofuel in 2010 for
commercial aviation and will soon be realized.Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8642 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:00 am
Subject: Solar Powered Plane Soon Be On Trial
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
The first solar-powered plane will soon be on trial with the prototype
in the water base near Zurich next week. Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8641 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 3:13 am
Subject: Electric Cars Recharge Available In Major UK Supermarkets
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Now in every major supermarket in UK has been installed a network of
electric car recharging points outside the stores.So that consumers can
recharge their electric car while shopping. Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8640 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Tue Nov 3, 2009 9:18 am
Subject: The Cross-Wind Bridge Produce Electricity By Self
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
A creative idea can occur in any form in the search for alternative
energy sources that eco friendly.Like about a successful bridge built by
the bridge designer Tiago Barros and Jorge Pereira. The brigde called
Cross-Wind Bridge, in Lisbon will light up the brigde in the night by
itself.Read more at http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/%20>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8639 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:42 am
Subject: Bacteria Powered Batteries
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
MFCs(Microbial Fuels Cells) batteries that work with bacteria and other
microbes have been created by Harvard scientists working under the
Lebone banner. Read more at http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8638 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:46 am
Subject: Liquids Wastewater To Produce Ethanol
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Finally our dream to be able to make waste water into ethanol to fuel
vehicle engines will soon be realized.Recently 2 companies,Qteros and
Applied CleanTech (ACT)a recycling company commodity in israel have
collaborated to utilize ACT's Recyllose-based feedstock,produced
from urban waste water solids to further increase the efficient and low
cost of produce ethanol. Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8637 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:13 am
Subject: Recharged Electric Vehicles By Renewable
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Plug-in vehicles containing a battery for energy storage. But as far as
renewable energy no energy storage. We can do one thing: using electric
cars and trucks to store energy from renewable energy. We can use
intermittent renewables energy to our advantage. We can extent this
green electricity to our home. A plug from car to house can power-up a
house overnight. Read more at http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8636 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:22 am
Subject: Improve Hydrogen By Adding Lithium
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Superconductor materials have no electrical resistance and paves way for
electrons to travel through them freely.A small amount of lithium if we
add hydrogen, and if we keep the pressure on about a quarter of a
pressure (hydrogen is converted to a metal) hydrogen is transformed into
a metal with superconductivity properties. Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8635 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Fri Oct 9, 2009 12:38 pm
Subject: Produce Electricity While You Drive
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
According to Innowattech (in fact, it should be common knowledge)
massive amounts of mechanical energy go waste when millions of vehicles
move on the roads. The piezoelectric generators harvest that energy and
save them in roadside batteries that can be used by people. This process
is also known as Parasitic Energy harvesting.Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8634 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 3:17 pm
Subject: Getting Biofuel from the Worlds Garbage
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Global Change Biology has published new research that claims replacing
gasoline with biofuel from processed garbage could cut global carbon
emissions by 80%. A dream come true, isn't it? Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8633 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:42 pm
Subject: Worlds Largest Solar Power Project Planned
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
The Gujarat Government is undertaking a $10 billion project and it will
hold the distinction of the world's largest solar power facility in
India. This project will be backed by former U.S. President Bill
Clinton. Read more at http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8632 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:48 am
Subject: New IMEC Solar Cells: 18.4% Conversion Efficiency
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
IMEC (Interuniversity Microelectronics Center) has presented a
large-area solar cell with 18.4% conversion efficiency at the ongoing
European Photovoltaic Solar Energy Conference (Hamburg, Germany). Read
more at http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/%20>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8631 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:45 pm
Subject: New Hope for Hydrogen Storage
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
It seems simple but if put it into practice then we can develop real
potential for hydrogen fuels. A new method of "recycling"
hydrogen-containing fuel materials could pave the way for commercially
viable hydrogen-based vehicles. Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8630 From: Rudy Aseka <jengsett@...>
Date: Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:57 am
Subject: New Hope for Hydrogen Storage
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
A new method of “recycling” hydrogen-containing fuel materials could pave
the way for commercially viable hydrogen-based vehicles. Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8629 From: Rudy Aseka <jengsett@...>
Date: Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:37 am
Subject: 150mpg Algae-Powered Toyota Prius
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
First algae fuel-powered vehicle in the world was officially launched in San
Francisco. The car, called Algaeus is a modified Toyota Prius, which derives
power from green crude, from Sapphire Energy. The car runs on an astonishing 150
miles per gallon of green fuel. But they are aspiring to cross the US on
approximately 25 gallons of fuel. Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8628 From: Rudy Aseka <jengsett@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:44 am
Subject: Human Powered Workout Gym Concept
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
When people exercise all the energy created by motion is wasted and it
disappears into nothingness. If we can channelize all this kinetic energy into
something meaningful we can have a floating River Gym, a kind of soft floating
micro-island. It will utilize all the energy made by gym goers and convert it
into usable electric energy stored in on-board batteries. Read more
athttp://earthalternate.blogspot.com/





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8627 From: "MikeL" <mikelob@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:26 am
Subject: Third World Technology
mikelob2003
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
A couple of links with lots of useful information.



http://www.cd3wd.com/cd3wd/index.htm



http://www.journeytoforever.org/farm_library/



I am in the process of sorting it out as to what would be useful for our
future situation.   You may want to do you own evaluation of importance and
pulling of what you need.  The first one has over 16 GB or 2,300 pdf files
to look at.



Mikel

#8626 From: "MikeL" <mikelob@...>
Date: Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:05 pm
Subject: Fw: E-Still
mikelob2003
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Lessons learned:  This discussion was too good to not share.

From time to time I have had requests for where to purchase an E-Still. This
person provided some new data on the subject. It can be purchased for $400
from http://www.distillerwarehouse.com/node/87 .

It can also be made from a Steam Juicer. The following indicates what is
involved.

I have removed most of his name to protect his identity.

Does anyone else have anything to contribute to this subject?

Mikel

----- Original Message -----
From: Guido
To: "MikeL"
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: E-Still


> Brand:
>
> I don't know the brand, but i bought the modified steam-juicer from  the
> danish NETTO-Discounter for about 15 EURO about 3 years ago - made  of
> cheap so-called stainless steel, which indeed starts to rust away  after
> some months and, which is light weight.
>
> Stand pipe:
> Putting in a stand pipe in the middle pot is not necessary, as there  is
> already one in, in form of a reversed funnel, which i organized to
> minimize with an angle sander down to the height of the drainage pipe.
>
> To make a denting could be helpful, but at the end of each  distillation
> process, to get all distilled water out of the steam  juicer, one have to
> tilt the middle pot down in direction of the  drainage pipe, as the
> drainage pipe is - as far as i have seen some  steam juicers - build in a
> little to high, so a rest of water stays  always in the middle pot, unless
> you tilt the steam juicer on your  heat source a little bit.
>
> Drilling is already done, too. The hole in the reversed funnel is in  the
> larger part about 10 cm and 5 cm in the smaller one.
>
> The top pot is originally a sieve/ colander, which - as you suggested  -
> can indeed be replaced by a larger cooling pot with cold water in it.
>
> Sealing off the edges is what i still have not done, which is why a  some
> steam comes out where it shall not. That is one reason, why i  have bought
> the E-still- Fire distiller from the canadian  Distillerwarehouse Ltd.
>
> To minimize the effectivity-loss, you should take care, to minimize to  to
> much with the angle sander, only down to the height of drainage  pipe at
> the funnel and only down to the height of some millimeter  above that
> funnel-height a the outer rim of the middle-pot, so enough  room for the
> steam is between the cooling pot and the funnel.
> And grind a even/straight as possible.
>
>
>> Wow,  this thing is interesting and very close to what is needed. I
>> didn't know such a thing existed.  What brand did you end up with to
>> minimize the modifications?  What I can see so far is putting in a  stand
>> pipe or denting in the bottom of the middle pot in an upward  direction,
>> so condensed water runs to the edge.  Then drilling a  hole in the center
>> so steam can come in from the bottom pot.  What I  haven't figured out is
>> the top.  Did you replace the top pot with  something that would fit but
>> hold water for cooling?  Possibly a  bigger pot that just sits on top of
>> the top rim of the middle pot.   One could split a silicon rubber air
>> hose used for fish tanks and  put it over the top edge of the middle pot
>> to help seal it off.   Just some possible thoughts. I am really curious
>> as to what you  found that did work?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido
>> To: "MikeL" Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: E-Still
>>
>>
>>> I have just typed "steam juicer" into the  google-image-search-engine
>>> and there is for instance:
>>>
>>> http://www.health-fit.com/images2/Mehu.jpg
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> http://www.preparedpantry.com/images/products/detail/KronaSteamer.1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> May the force be with you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Zitat von MikeL :
>>>
>>>> This sounds like an interesting idea. Do you happen to have a link  to
>>>> a site that has a picture of a steam-juicer?  I have never  seen  one
>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido To: "MikeL" Sent: Friday,
>>>> August 14, 2009 11:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: E-Still
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> One improvement-possibility, about which i have read somewhere on  the
>>>>> internet:
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of the pie-pan, you can use the middle-section of
>>>>> steam-juicer.
>>>>> Anyway a steam juicer would already be a kind of water-distiller.
>>>>> But for weight-reducing, i have cut the middle-section of my
>>>>> steam-juicer with an angle sander to a minimum.
>>>>>
>>>>> May the force be with you, Mike.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Zitat von MikeL
>>>>>> Good, glad I could be of assistance,  If you come up with any
>>>>>> innovative improvements, let me know.
>>>>>> mikel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido
>>>>>> To: "MikeL" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 5:47 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: E-Still
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you very much,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this is, what i needed,
>>>>>>> as i could only guess from the zetatalk-video, how the  distiller
>>>>>>> was built.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Zitat von MikeL
>>>>>>>> I have no idea where to purchase it from.  I had to build my   own.
>>>>>>>> See attached for instructions.  you might be able to find  similar
>>>>>>>> items locally.
>>>>>>>> mikel
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido
>>>>>>>> To: Mikel
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:32 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: E-Still
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i would like to buy 2 E-Still non-electrice fire distillers.
>>>>>>>>> But the only source, where i found one, was  distillerwarehouse
>>>>>>>>> from Canada, who only resells these  distillers for $400 CND?
>>>>>>>>> Do you know, where they can be purchased directly from  factory
>>>>>>>>> and be delivered into Germany?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>> With best regards from
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Guido Krohnke

#8625 From: Gerard Zwaan <gerard@...>
Date: Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: clinton is the last satan, possessed, in the world in the last days
gerardtt
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
>
> <http://poleshift.ning.com>What i meant of course is that praying for
> the death of someone is behaviour that belongs to the negative path.
>


>
>
> _




__________ Informatie van ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versie van database
viruskenmerken 4419 (20090912) __________

Het bericht is gecontroleerd door  ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8624 From: Gerard Zwaan <gerard@...>
Date: Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: clinton is the last satan, possessed, in the world in the last days
gerardtt
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
And besides that, the troubled times lists are not meant for this kind
of emails. There are plenty of groups for this type of emails.
Then again this morning i read in a newspaper about a church in the USA,
and a minister praying for the death of obama
Even if you disagree or dislike his policy and think this is behaviour
that belongs to the negative path.

Enough said.

Gerard
http://poleshift.ning.com


__________ Informatie van ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versie van database
viruskenmerken 4419 (20090912) __________

Het bericht is gecontroleerd door  ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com

#8623 From: <cannex@...>
Date: Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:45 pm
Subject: Re: clinton is the last satan, possessed, in the world in the last days
clip642
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
This message has been deleted. tt-forum is for solution sets only.

Clipper
owner/moderator
--------------------------
In God We Trust



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: miryam_shoshan_yosef
   To: tt-forum@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:32 AM
   Subject: [tt-forum] clinton is the last satan, possessed, in the world in the
last days


     .



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#8621 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:07 am
Subject: A Step Closer to Solar Power in Space
jengsett
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email
 
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation and IHI Corporation are undertaking an
ambitious project of $ 21bn. They are aspiring to design and develop a
Space-based solar farm that would generate 1GW of power. Read more at
http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/
<http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages 8621 - 8651 of 8651   Newest  |  < Newer  |  Older >  |  Oldest
Advanced
Add to My Yahoo!      XML What's This?

Copyright 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help