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#31 From: Dalia Stokes <stokes@...>
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 5:19 pm
Subject: Palm Beach Rabbi's Affidavit stokes@...
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If you do not read anything else about the Palm Beach County butterfly ballots, you MUST read this. Some ballots were misprinted in a way that when inserted in the voting machine they did NOT align with the holes. The voters in Palm Beach are not STUPID, OK?

From: Richard M Yellin <yellin2@...>
Subject: Sworn Affidavit Made to Palm Peach DNC

Some colleagues asked, what went on here. Here is my own sworn testimony
to the DNC -- Richard Yellin.

I came to my voting precinct at the St. Thomas More Church in Boynton
Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida, at 6 30 am on Election day 2000. I was
fifth in line waiting for the precinct to open. By the time it opened,
about 30 people had already lined up, and by the time I exited from the
poll at 7:15, 100+ individuals were waiting to enter a very crowded
precinct area. I was fully prepared to vote my choices with my own
pre-prepared list of candidate selections and referendum choices. I came
early to vote because I had to be at my Synagogue, by 8 am to speak at a
morning religious service.

When I entered the precinct I signed the voter register and received the
"computerized ballot." I went to a cubicle on a desk that had a
"votamatic" platform which had a "butterfly brochure" fixed on the
platform, with pages of the brochure to be turned sequentially so that
candidates and referendum questions could be "hole punched," i.e., voted
for. I followed the instructions placing the ballot into the slot so that
it could be properly fixed and aligned under the "butterfly" so that the
holes on the "butterfly" lined up over the computerized "ballot."

At that point I started the voting process. I wanted to vote for
Gore/Lieberman. I searched for the Gore "butterfly hole" and could not
find it!! The arrows to the right of the candidate's name, pointing to
the proper "butterfly hole" did not align properly !! I struggled to find
the appropriate place for my vote, and tried to figure out which one it
was by looking at the Bush "hole" and the others on the page. By a
process of elimination, I chose the hole I thought was for Gore and
Lieberman. I took 3-4 minutes to do this. It made me feel rather stupid,
so I hid my stupidity, figuring that I voted my choice. I went on to all
the other candidates on the next pages of the "butterfly" and the
alignments to the proper holes were arranged neatly and to perfection,
and I was out of the little cubicle (which was not very private in the
least!), and I took out my "ballot from the "butterfly" and placed it in
the ballot box upon leaving.

As I left I heard 2-5 people complaining that it was difficult to vote
for President and V.P. I did not have time to consult with these
individuals because I had my appointments. As I drove away, I had a
gnawing feeling that something was not right, with the blame on me. I had
a sample mock "butterfly" that was mailed out before the election, and I
looked at it briefly while driving and I saw that it did not look
anything like the "butterfly" that was attached to the "votamatic." At
which point I dismissed the experience and went about driving.

At 7:45 am, when I came to my synagogue, (of which I am the Rabbi and
Spiritual Leader), Temple Emeth of Delray Beach, a 2800 member
congregation of retired senior citizens, our parking lot was a beehive of
activity. A voting precinct is housed in our facility's auditorium, and
it had lines waiting to go into vote. I went into my office to prepare my
sermon and at 8:10 I went out of my office passing the voting precinct
waving to many voters whom I knew. I rushed past the auditorium and went
into the Chapel and began the service with a sermonette on the subject of
voting and religious freedom. I told my prayers that in order to be
religious, they had to vote, because political freedom is the guarantor
of religious freedom. At exactly 8:20 am my speech was interrupted by a
synagogue Staff member who said to me in front of the 60 people in the
chapel, "There is a problem in the precinct," and he summoned me to the
precinct. My 7:15 emotions began to gnaw at me again.

I entered the precinct ahead of the lines and I was told by several
people leaving that they had trouble voting their choice for President.
In fact one person was crying that she thought she had mistakenly voted
for Buchanan.

I summoned the supervisor of the precinct housed in our facility and I
asked her to get the butterfly ballot from one of the "votamatics" and to
look at it together with me. Two or three other people gather around, and
it was the identical "butterfly" that I had used at the Church. I said to
the supervisor that the arrows are completely misaligned with the holes
and therefore the ballots could not be punched, expressing with certainty
the intent of the voter. She agreed, and I asked her to interrupt the
voting in the precinct and I told her that the precinct should be closed
until an announcement was made to all those voting, that 'the "butterfly
brochure" was problematic, and that people should exercise great care.'
I said to her that the supervisor of elections in Palm Beach and in
Florida should be called immediately. She agreed. The phone lines to the
election board were busy. She made the announcements, and I went to call
all the media outlets in the area -- 3 TV stations and the radio station
of record.

At which point, I felt I did my duty and I went into the synagogue office
and began listening to people exiting from the precinct who complained
that it was an impossible experience, and how they think they voted for
Buchanan by mistake because of the "butterfly." At that point, I too put
2 and 2 together and I think I may have voted for Buchanan, a vote that
would be anathema to my whole political disposition.
By 9:15 I had meetings in my office and duties to attend to, and thought
that others had been sufficiently apprised of the situation and that it
was in hand. Wrong, by mid day all hell broke loose in the media.

Addenda: On Friday night November 10, I had planned to speak about
Kritallnacht, the Rabin Assassination, and Veterans Day. Instead, before
500 people I asked them to shared their voting experience during election
day. Several people got up to speak and told their stories that they had
trouble with the "butterfly" in trying to vote for Gore, and they think
they voted for Buchanan. (It is important to know that my congregation
has well over 100 holocaust survivors, and no one would have knowingly
voted for Buchanan. I took a referendum on that!)

At which point several people in the congregation began to laugh at those
who expressed a problem with the vote! I asked those who were laughing to
explain their lamentable public ridicule. They said they voted, and it
was a piece of cake. I then asked them to explain why it was easy for
them. They said their "butterfly" was lined up correctly and all they had
to do was follow the arrows for the candidates and punch the holes.
In response, those who had the problem, said publicly that they had a
DIFFERENT LOOKING "BUTTERFLY" AND THE ARROWS WERE MISPRINTED. I then took
a tabulation. "If you thought the votamatic was easy to use, raise your
hands." 50% raised their hands. Then: "If you were troubled by the vote
and think you may have voted incorrectly for Gore because of your
"butterfly", raise your hands." 30% raised their hands. 20% were unsure.
The conclusion of this "Town Hall" sermonic discussion!? There were two
different versions of the "butterfly" or maybe even a partial misprint of
the butterflies used by many voters in various precincts of Palm Beach
County.

I tried the same experiment on Saturday morning to an even larger crowd,
dispensing with the planned sermon, asking people to share their voting
experiences. The Saturday morning congregation is made up of different
people than the Friday night congregation. To my amazement the same thing
happened again. People laughed, and slowly they came to the realization
that there were 2 different versions to the "butterfly." The tabulation
was virtually the same as the previous night.

Conclusion: The real problem is the "butterfly" brochure. There were
misprints in the alignment of arrows and holes, and there were bad
"butterflies" hovering within and mingling with normal "butterflies," and
the way you could predict who received infected misprinted "butterflies,"
was to scan the precincts where Buchanan received greater numbers of
votes than expected compared to all the other 50+ counties in Florida.
It just so happens that the Buchanan factor surfaced most within Jewish
and Afro-American areas and precincts. As an Afro-American pastor friend
of mine said, "there is no one in his congregation who would for a moment
think of voting for Pat Buchanan." Buchanan subsequently went on air
saying he knew that these exaggerated votes, close to 3500 in Palm Beach
County, "should not have gone to him."

The real question for these 3500 suspected votes: Why doesn't the
government impound all the "butterflies" and search for the misprinted
ones.

The media is totally confused by this, and it is no wonder that the
former Secretary of State, The Honorable James Baker, could hold up a
normal "butterfly," and unconscionably imply, that elderly, Jewish,
Afro-Ameircans, and Palm Beach County citizens, were "confused" (implying
'stupid'). Mr. Baker, in this case, was really "holier than thou",
meaning, of course Bush voters were not confused because their candidate
was the first on the list, and you could not mistake punching the Bush
"butterfly" hole because it was at the top of the column of holes, i.e.,
"holier than thou."

I do not believe in conspiracies! I am a registered independent voter who
learned as a child: "It is not who won or lost, but how we played the
game." In this election, the voting machinery was flawed, not the
electorate!

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#30 From: "Margaret Davis" <margd@...>
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 4:53 pm
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Thank you very much for the "Welcome" from the Moderator for
Trustthepeople and even more so for the link:
http://www.hal-pc.org/~edi/houston.html
to your site.  I was really starting to think I had joined the WRONG
group after reading the beginning welcome in the group messages.

I'm not sure how I'm going to react if dubya is elected Prez....   I
think I'll join my friends and go into mourning.  It will be a very
sad day.  My biggest concern is the Supreme Court Justices....   You
know... I did something I feel guilty for now...  I live in Texas and
I knew without a doubt that Georgie Porgie would take Texas....
there was no doubt. I don't know how the people of this State
continue to be so blind.....   So I tried to give Nader a chance at
having a reserved seat in the debates and the very needed campaign
funds four years from now.  I knew exactly what I was doing.

I'm also a member of The Interfaith Alliance:
http://www.interfaithalliance.org/

And VERY proud to be a card carrying member of the ACLU.

And would join many many more organizations... like Americans United
for Separation of Church and State, and The People for The American
Way....
all of which help us to maintain and           believe it or not
fight for our FREEDOM.........
              Isn't that amazing?
                  OUR FREEDOM
We send soldiers to other countries to help them with their freedom
and then elect someone who is going to destroy the VERY FREEDOM so
many have died for....
FREEDOM OF RELIGION.  freedom of and from.....

I'm very very sad right now........................

Thank you for getting excited and fired up......

                 Margaret
   Strongly supporting the WALL OF SEPARATION

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#29 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 3:09 pm
Subject: Post here on progress edi@...
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The moderators list (of which I am a member) is requesting a one
paragraph update from the various cities. Please update us on this
Houston list of any accomplishmnets, plans, etc., that I will provide
to that list in digest form. For instance, I have distributed several
hundred flyers about the protest this Saturday at Tranquilty Park in
various Montrose shops. I have also made a link on the Houston
website that brings up a location map of Tranquilty Park. Yesterday I
was interviewed by the editor of the Houston Triangle about gay &
lesbian participation in the local protests.
Also, please write in if you have any questions about this list or
the website that I might be able to answer or more general questions
that others may provide answers or feedback to.

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#28 From: "Judith Shields" <judithshields@...>
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: [ttp-hou] banana Republicans and the elections judithshields@...
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Well spoken.

>>> <glynch1@...> 11/15/00 04:16AM >>>
Never thought that I would see such proable voter fraud dtermining
the presidential election in the United States.  The only way to
prove to me that their has not been voter fraud is to do a total hand
recount of Florida, Iowa New Mexico etc. and any other close state.

There needs to be an FBI investigation with a special counsel type
investigation for many years if necessary to verify whether voter
fraud occurred particularly in Florida.  There are too
many "irrgeularities" all in the direction of voided votes for Gore
that I can now believe that this election was not stolen for Bush.
This type of investigastion is worth the $100 million type
expenditure that the Republicans spent on Whitewater and Monica
Lewinski.

A good 20% of th epopulation probably feels this way.  Not very
healthy for a democracy.


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#27 From: glynch1@...
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 10:16 am
Subject: banana Republicans and the elections glynch1@...
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Never thought that I would see such proable voter fraud dtermining
the presidential election in the United States.  The only way to
prove to me that their has not been voter fraud is to do a total hand
recount of Florida, Iowa New Mexico etc. and any other close state.

There needs to be an FBI investigation with a special counsel type
investigation for many years if necessary to verify whether voter
fraud occurred particularly in Florida.  There are too
many "irrgeularities" all in the direction of voided votes for Gore
that I can now believe that this election was not stolen for Bush.
This type of investigastion is worth the $100 million type
expenditure that the Republicans spent on Whitewater and Monica
Lewinski.

A good 20% of th epopulation probably feels this way.  Not very
healthy for a democracy.

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#26 From: momhoney@...
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 7:17 am
Subject: Accurate and Fair counting of votes and truthful reporting. momhoney@...
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Hi, I'm happy I found this group. Protesters are hard to find the
media is saying we don't exist. I used to live in Victoria, Tx. 125
miles west of Houston.  I truely believe the media is trying to buy
this Election for Governor Bush.  I didn't vote for him when I was in
Texas and I didn't for him now.

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#25 From: "One Vote" <onevote@...>
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 3:34 am
Subject: EVERYONE--COUNTERCOUP site UPDATE! onevote@...
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Hello and grettings to all...

The webpage at www.countercoup.org has been updated!

If you are an organizer or contact person, please check the information on the page, and send any additons, changes, updates, omissions, or deletions to onevote @hotmail.com

In your email, please include your city and state.

VERY IMPORTANT: Please let us know which eGroup your city is using to plan.

Special notes for various cities:

CA--San Francisco, Berkeley, Oakland, Palo Alto

*has there been a decision made yet as to "one location or various ones?"

FL--Fort Lauderdale

*please clarify your location if it has been decided

FL--Jacksonville

*please clarify your location

LA--New Orleans

*please clarify your location

MN--Minneapolis/Saint Paul

*will there be separate rallies or are you together?

MO--Kansas City

*we have your new info., it will be in the next updated page.

NC-Raleigh

*please clarify your location

NM--Albuquerque and Sante Fe

*will there be rallies in both places?

OR--Eugene

*we have your new info., it will be in the next updated page.

PA--Pittsburgh

*please clarify your location

TX--Dallas

*please clarify your location

UT--Salt Lake

*please clarify your location if it has been decided

Thank you all for your extra effort in helping us keep the lists updated.

Sincerely,

OneVote

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#24 From: "One Vote" <onevote@...>
Date: Wed Nov 15, 2000 1:36 am
Subject: EVERYONE--UPDATED Countercoup.org PAGE! onevote@...
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The webpage at www.countercoup.org has been updated!

If you are an organizer or contact person, please check the information on the page, and send any additons, changes, updates, omissions, or deletions to onevote @hotmail.com

In your email, please include your city and state.

VERY IMPORTANT: Please let us know which eGroup your city is using to plan.

Special notes for various cities:

CA--San Francisco, Berkeley, Oakland, Palo Alto

*has there been a decision made yet as to "one location or various ones?"

FL--Fort Lauderdale

*please clarify your location if it has been decided

FL--Jacksonville

*please clarify your location

LA--New Orleans

*please clarify your location

MN--Minneapolis/Saint Paul

*will there be separate rallies or are you together?

MO--Kansas City

*we have your new info., it will be in the next updated page.

NC-Raleigh

*please clarify your location

NM--Albuquerque and Sante Fe

*will there be rallies in both places?

OR--Eugene

*we have your new info., it will be in the next updated page.

PA--Pittsburgh

*please clarify your location

TX--Dallas

*please clarify your location

UT--Salt Lake

*please clarify your location if it has been decided

Thank you all for your extra effort in helping us keep the lists updated.

Sincerely,

OneVote

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#23 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [ttp-hou] The Ballad of Dubya Bush edi@...
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Well, since we're getting creative, I've attached a GIF of the front of a small flyer that I'm working on.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dalia Stokes

To: trustthepeople-houston@egroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 11:33 AM

Subject: [ttp-hou] The Ballad of Dubya Bush

Thanks to Jeffrey Garrett for sharing this one. Shoot, if they are going to steal the Presidency, we ought to have a Ballad about it, don't you think? ROADie

"The Ballad of Dubya Bush"
(to the tune of "The Beverly Hillbillies" theme)

Come listen to a story of a man named Jeb,
who deceived the whole nation when he weaved his tangled web.
He and his brother were laughing at us dolts,
when up from the ground came a load of Gore votes.

(Misplaced ballots, lost returns.)

Well, the next thing you know, ol' Pop's throwing a fit,
'cus Jeb promised George that he'd get away with it.
As the vote got closer, Jeb tried his best to please,
so he bribed some dudes in Europe to predate their absentees.

(The CIA ain't MIA.)

The race was still so close that ol' Pop started to heave,
but little bro' Jeb still had a few tricks up his sleeve.
Even Pappy was impressed that Jeb was such a rat
that he got 3,000 Jewish folks to cast their votes for Pat.

(No voter's rights, unless you're white.)

Jeffrey

From my friend Ellie in Baltimore -- hilarious!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Florida - The Sun(don't)shine State!

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#22 From: Dalia Stokes <stokes@...>
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 5:33 pm
Subject: The Ballad of Dubya Bush stokes@...
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Thanks to Jeffrey Garrett for sharing this one. Shoot, if they are going to steal the Presidency, we ought to have a Ballad about it, don't you think? ROADie

"The Ballad of Dubya Bush"
(to the tune of "The Beverly Hillbillies" theme)

Come listen to a story of a man named Jeb,
who deceived the whole nation when he weaved his tangled web.
He and his brother were laughing at us dolts,
when up from the ground came a load of Gore votes.

(Misplaced ballots, lost returns.)

Well, the next thing you know, ol' Pop's throwing a fit,
'cus Jeb promised George that he'd get away with it.
As the vote got closer, Jeb tried his best to please,
so he bribed some dudes in Europe to predate their absentees.

(The CIA ain't MIA.)

The race was still so close that ol' Pop started to heave,
but little bro' Jeb still had a few tricks up his sleeve.
Even Pappy was impressed that Jeb was such a rat
that he got 3,000 Jewish folks to cast their votes for Pat.

(No voter's rights, unless you're white.)

Jeffrey

From my friend Ellie in Baltimore -- hilarious!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Florida - The Sun(don't)shine State!

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#21 From: Dalia Stokes <stokes@...>
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: [ttp-hou] Re: Fwd: National Summary: Practical suggestions from local lists stokes@...
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If this has been posted to the main Trust the People site, it was before I
  joined.   Thought I'd post it again there and send it to our local Houston
site?

  TRUST THE PEOPLE online petition

  Click here:
  http://www.PetitionOnline.com/trust1/petition.html

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#20 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: National Summary: Practical suggestions from local lists edi@...
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In responxe to this email from the CounterCoup people:
In regards to point 1 in the letter: I am the moderator. I set this
list up so that anyone can post, no one need be a member. If there
are problems with spamming, I can change the parameters. Any
questions on how this list is set up, please email me.
Point 2: Our location is correct in the database on
trustthepeople@egroups.com.
Additonally, all members can use the other functions of this list,
like adding links, files, creating databases, setting calender dates,
etc. contacting me if you need assistance.
People should post their progress in carrying out organizing tasks so
that other people know what's going on, can participate and become
educated.
Send me stuff to post on the website, including photos, writings,
news items, personal links for a supporters page, etc.
I am here to serve, for as long as I am able.

--- In trustthepeople-houston@egroups.com, "Edwin Johnston"
<edi@h...> wrote:
> --- In trustthepeople@egroups.com, countercoup@m... wrote:
> TO: All local lists
> FROM: National list moderators
> DATE: Monday, November 13, 2000
> SUBJECT: Practical matters for local organizers.
>
> Organizing is taking off on the local lists! There are over 75
local
> groups and the numbers of members on each of them has shot up
> throughout the day. Momentum is building. Saturday is going to be
the
> biggest nation-wide day of protests in a very long time! We can
stop
> this election from being stolen!
>
> It would be great if each local group could designate someone to
send
> in a one-paragaph note about what's going on in your group. We'll
> compile them all and send them out tomorrow (Tues).
>
> People have been sending in lots of great practical suggestions to
> the national list.  Here's the best of them:
>
> 1) We need moderators for the local groups FAST. Bush supporters
are
> starting to spam the local boards. We need volunteers to become
> moderators and block inappropriate and offensive posts. It's easy
to
> do. We'll need a few people from each group so that messages won't
> have to wait to long to be approved. Volunteer by posting to
> trustthepeople@egroups.com with the subject "mod" (then we'll
notice
> it right away.)
>
> 2) Make sure the correct location is in the main protest site table
> on the trustthepeople database. Go to:
> http://www.egroups.com/database/trustthepeople and check. There is
an
> email address there for sending in changes to the list.
>
> 3) Create a table in your eGroups database section for press
> contacts. (eGroups lets you create tables in the DATABASE section --

> click the DATABASE link on the left of the screen). Get press
contact
> info from this web site:
> http://congress.nw.dc.us/cgi-bin/media.pl?dir=lchr
>
> On that site you can type in your zip code and it will list every
> reporter in your area, their title, and their contact info. Try to
> pick the reporters who will be most likely to cover the protests:
> politics reporters, city-editor, etc... Add the reporters you find
to
> the database. If a handful of people spend a few minutes adding a
few
> reporters, by the end of the day your group will have a list of 20
or
> 30 key reporters, papers and TV & radio stations. Be sure to add
> emails to the table so that members of your groups can send press
> releases out.
>
> 4) THEN: someone make a well-organized press contact sheet, and
post
> it on your group. If this gets done tomorrow, then people can use
it
> to call press Wed., Thurs. and Fri. Bring copies of the sheet to
your
> protest and use cell phones to call reporters and TV stations from
> the event: "My GOD, there MUST BE THOUANDS HERE!!! SEND A LIVE
> BROADCAST TRUCK AND INTERRUPT HERCULES!!!"
>
> 5) Don't wait for the press sheet to call a couple TV stations on
> Tuesday before the sheet is done.
>
> 6) Call the student activities office at a local university (divvy
up
> who will call which college) and get the numbers of the Young Dems,
> Greens, and any other progressive group on campus. You might have
to
> go to the college to pick up a list of groups. The list will have
> contact numbers, but you can also just stop by their offices.
Student
> groups will turn out A LOT of people if they know it's going to be
> big.
>
> 7) People have been sending in so many hysterical slogans and
chants
> that we created a table on the national list
> (http://www.egroups.com/database/trustthepeople) for them. We
haven't
> had time to add any, but We're sure others will fill it quickly.
Our
> favorite from today: "I blame Chad!" We'll make a compilation of
all
> of them on Thursday.
>
> 8) Add links to local news stories about the 11/11 protests to the
> national list's "News articles" table (also at:
> http://www.egroups.com/database/trustthepeople ). As the table
start
> to fill up, we'll ask for a volunteer to compile all the stories on
> to on web page for the site. That will show new visitors to the
site
> (over 50,000 so far today) that 11/11 did have a huge impact and
make
> them want to show for 11/18. Also, people have made up their own
> sites with pictures from the protests. If you know of one, add it
to
> the "Photo sites"
>
> 9) If you're willing to give interviews to the press about why
you're
> protesting, add your name to the "Contact people" table on the
> national list (http://www.egroups.com/database/trustthepeople).
>
> I've you've read this whole message...then you're crazy.  No, I
mean:
> then you're wonderful.
>
> Finally, here's an example of great organizing from the L.A. list;
> there is a lot of good practical planning like this going on in
most
> of the groups. Keep it up!
>
> From: <sabine101@j...>
> Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 4:02pm
> Subject: COORDINATE!
>
> Hi all --
>
> I just spoke to my friend who's organizing the Chicago rally on
> Saturday.
> She gave me some ideas about what we ought to do to organize ours,
so
> if
> any of you are willing to do the following things, now's the time
to
> step
> up to the plate.
>
> -- go to UCLA and USC or call their student offices, find activist
> groups and tell them to come out en masse
> -- put up flyers and post notices in LA Weekly, other papers,
> announcing
> the protest
> -- call Dianne Feinstein and other prominent Democrat (or OTHER
party)
> political figures, talk to their offices, see if they're willing to
> speak
> at the rally or help endorse it, see if they'll help get people to
> come
> out
> -- keep pestering the media outlets about this, KTAL, KCAL 9, ABC,
> CBS,
> NBC, LA Times, etc, make our presence known.
>
> We need to make it CLEAR that we are NOT partisan, not just "a
bunch
> of
> Gore supporters," but rather, "part of a group called Trust The
People
> coming out to speak in favor of FAIR ELECTIONS."
>
> That's our mission: FAIR ELECTIONS. With that as our mantra, it
will
> be
> very hard for people to shrug us off or dismiss us the way they
could
> dismiss "a bunch of disgruntled Democrats," etc.
>
> So, anyone? These things need to be done NOW. Let's get on it.
>
> Emily
> --- End forwarded message ---

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#19 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 1:48 pm
Subject: Fwd: National Summary: Practical suggestions from local lists edi@...
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--- In trustthepeople@egroups.com, countercoup@m... wrote:
TO: All local lists
FROM: National list moderators
DATE: Monday, November 13, 2000
SUBJECT: Practical matters for local organizers.

Organizing is taking off on the local lists! There are over 75 local
groups and the numbers of members on each of them has shot up
throughout the day. Momentum is building. Saturday is going to be the
biggest nation-wide day of protests in a very long time! We can stop
this election from being stolen!

It would be great if each local group could designate someone to send
in a one-paragaph note about what's going on in your group. We'll
compile them all and send them out tomorrow (Tues).

People have been sending in lots of great practical suggestions to
the national list.  Here's the best of them:

1) We need moderators for the local groups FAST. Bush supporters are
starting to spam the local boards. We need volunteers to become
moderators and block inappropriate and offensive posts. It's easy to
do. We'll need a few people from each group so that messages won't
have to wait to long to be approved. Volunteer by posting to
trustthepeople@egroups.com with the subject "mod" (then we'll notice
it right away.)

2) Make sure the correct location is in the main protest site table
on the trustthepeople database. Go to:
http://www.egroups.com/database/trustthepeople and check. There is an
email address there for sending in changes to the list.

3) Create a table in your eGroups database section for press
contacts. (eGroups lets you create tables in the DATABASE section --
click the DATABASE link on the left of the screen). Get press contact
info from this web site:
http://congress.nw.dc.us/cgi-bin/media.pl?dir=lchr

On that site you can type in your zip code and it will list every
reporter in your area, their title, and their contact info. Try to
pick the reporters who will be most likely to cover the protests:
politics reporters, city-editor, etc... Add the reporters you find to
the database. If a handful of people spend a few minutes adding a few
reporters, by the end of the day your group will have a list of 20 or
30 key reporters, papers and TV & radio stations. Be sure to add
emails to the table so that members of your groups can send press
releases out.

4) THEN: someone make a well-organized press contact sheet, and post
it on your group. If this gets done tomorrow, then people can use it
to call press Wed., Thurs. and Fri. Bring copies of the sheet to your
protest and use cell phones to call reporters and TV stations from
the event: "My GOD, there MUST BE THOUANDS HERE!!! SEND A LIVE
BROADCAST TRUCK AND INTERRUPT HERCULES!!!"

5) Don't wait for the press sheet to call a couple TV stations on
Tuesday before the sheet is done.

6) Call the student activities office at a local university (divvy up
who will call which college) and get the numbers of the Young Dems,
Greens, and any other progressive group on campus. You might have to
go to the college to pick up a list of groups. The list will have
contact numbers, but you can also just stop by their offices. Student
groups will turn out A LOT of people if they know it's going to be
big.

7) People have been sending in so many hysterical slogans and chants
that we created a table on the national list
(http://www.egroups.com/database/trustthepeople) for them. We haven't
had time to add any, but We're sure others will fill it quickly. Our
favorite from today: "I blame Chad!" We'll make a compilation of all
of them on Thursday.

8) Add links to local news stories about the 11/11 protests to the
national list's "News articles" table (also at:
http://www.egroups.com/database/trustthepeople ). As the table start
to fill up, we'll ask for a volunteer to compile all the stories on
to on web page for the site. That will show new visitors to the site
(over 50,000 so far today) that 11/11 did have a huge impact and make
them want to show for 11/18. Also, people have made up their own
sites with pictures from the protests. If you know of one, add it to
the "Photo sites"

9) If you're willing to give interviews to the press about why you're
protesting, add your name to the "Contact people" table on the
national list (http://www.egroups.com/database/trustthepeople).

I've you've read this whole message...then you're crazy.  No, I mean:
then you're wonderful.

Finally, here's an example of great organizing from the L.A. list;
there is a lot of good practical planning like this going on in most
of the groups. Keep it up!

From: <sabine101@j...>
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 4:02pm
Subject: COORDINATE!

Hi all --

I just spoke to my friend who's organizing the Chicago rally on
Saturday.
She gave me some ideas about what we ought to do to organize ours, so
if
any of you are willing to do the following things, now's the time to
step
up to the plate.

-- go to UCLA and USC or call their student offices, find activist
groups and tell them to come out en masse
-- put up flyers and post notices in LA Weekly, other papers,
announcing
the protest
-- call Dianne Feinstein and other prominent Democrat (or OTHER party)
political figures, talk to their offices, see if they're willing to
speak
at the rally or help endorse it, see if they'll help get people to
come
out
-- keep pestering the media outlets about this, KTAL, KCAL 9, ABC,
CBS,
NBC, LA Times, etc, make our presence known.

We need to make it CLEAR that we are NOT partisan, not just "a bunch
of
Gore supporters," but rather, "part of a group called Trust The People
coming out to speak in favor of FAIR ELECTIONS."

That's our mission: FAIR ELECTIONS. With that as our mantra, it will
be
very hard for people to shrug us off or dismiss us the way they could
dismiss "a bunch of disgruntled Democrats," etc.

So, anyone? These things need to be done NOW. Let's get on it.

Emily
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#18 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 8:33 am
Subject: Houston Pro-democracy webpages/N18 info [Repost] edi@...
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Houston now has a webpage:

http://www.hal-pc.org/~edi/houston.html

Our November 18th protest will take place at 1 pm at Tranquility Park across from City Hall in Downtown Houston:

http://www.hal-pc.org/~edi/n18.html

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#17 From: julka324@...
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 5:37 am
Subject: Support @ Local Colleges julka324@...
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Now that the details have been finalized for the 11-18 protest, I
plan on passing out/hanging as many flyers as possible at the U of H
main campus, and also a few at Rice University. Just wanted to let
you know! I know U of H has a pretty large population of Democrats,
so this could increase our numbers drastically!

Also, U of H will rent out tables in high-traffic areas of campus for
I think $40 a day. I don't have an entire day free for this any time
this week, but I thought I'd pass along the word in case anyone else
wants info. Let me know if you need more details on this. The tables
usually seem pretty successful, with many people stopping!

~Julie Anderson~

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#16 From: gurbach@...
Date: Tue Nov 14, 2000 1:30 am
Subject: Protest gurbach@...
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So the address, date, and time have been confirmed.  I will be
there.  It is amazing that Bush who wants to be our president has no
problem circumventing our democratic process.  For a man who claims
to trust the people, he sure has a funny way of showing it?  For a
man who doesn't trust federal government, why did he file a lawsuit
in a FEDERAL court in an effort to overturn the state laws of
Florida?  Democracy is a slow and deliberate process and we as a
nation now get to see it in action.  We have grown so used to having
everything we want, including information, in quick manner that we do
not know what to do with ourselves when that manner is slow and
deliberate.  The republic will be find.  We have survived natural
disasters, bombings, and 12 years of Reagan and Bush, we will survive
this and Gore will prevail.

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#15 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 10:36 pm
Subject: Houston webpages created edi@...
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I have just cobbled together a page for the Houston Pro-Democracy
Protests:
http://www.hal-pc.org/~edi/houston.html
It contains links to our 11/18 protest, the 11/11 photos at
roadwomen.com, the national and Texas discussion lists.
Please email me directly with information you wish to present on
these pages, including text and graphics.
i would also like to receive links from supporters webpages.

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#14 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 8:51 pm
Subject: Re: Houston Rally Location Confirmed edi@...
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Very good. we are making lots of progress!
Now we should follow up with various tasks.
I would suggest holding a press conference on Thursday at 10 am
outside the Federal Building across the street from Tranquility Park
on Smith and Rusk to announce our intentions to protest, which may
serve to alert more Houstonians and other media to our event. Two or
three people could speak at the press conference to give details
about the protest, the organization and the issues.
The media needs to be contacted concerning the 11/18 protest. The
usual way is to write up a press release, providing the who, what,
where, when's and why's, plus contact information. The press release
must be immediately faxed and then followed up with a phone call to
confirm that they have received the information. It should be resent
Friday morning and followed up with a call again. This should be as
widespread as possible, including Dallas Morning News (Houston
bureau) and local weekly papers, like the African-American Houston
Newspages. I may have a set of fax numbers for many such
organizations.
People should also create small flyers and pass them around during
the week to get to people who are not part of the internet lists.
An informal group meeting would be nice at a local coffeehouse or
some such place before Saturday to firm out plans and get to know
each other a little better.
Please inform this list what various tasks are being attended to on a
timely basis, keeping in mind that this list is about as public as it
gets.
I will post an announcement of our 11/18 protest to the Texas,
Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth and the national discussion list.

--- In trustthepeople-houston@egroups.com, equality@w... wrote:
> All -
>
> We have confirmed the reservation of Tranquility Park for Saturday,
> 1:00 PM. Please pass the word.
>
> The address is: 400 Rusk (Intersection of Walker, Smith, Rusk.)
> Downtown Houston. In front of City Hall.
>
> Regards,
> Dan
>
> Dan DiDonato
>
> 5225 Katy Freeway Suite 310
> Houston, Texas 77007-2252
> 713-862-3312
> 713-862-5577 (fax)

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#13 From: Dalia Stokes <stokes@...>
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 7:34 pm
Subject: 11.18.00 Rally @ Tranquility stokes@...
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Dan - this is GREAT news!!!  Thanks for your work.  Judging from the news
today, we'll be needing it BIG TIME!  I'll let my lists know.  Thanks...
dalia

----- Original Message -----
From: <equality@...>
To: <trustthepeople-houston@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 12:45 PM
Subject: [trustthepeople-houston] Houston Rally Location Confirmed


> All -
>
> We have confirmed the reservation of Tranquility Park for Saturday,
> 1:00 PM. Please pass the word.
>
> The address is: 400 Rusk (Intersection of Walker, Smith, Rusk.)
> Downtown Houston. In front of City Hall.
>
> Regards,
> Dan
>
> Dan DiDonato
>
> 5225 Katy Freeway Suite 310
> Houston, Texas 77007-2252
> 713-862-3312
> 713-862-5577 (fax)
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> trustthepeople-houston-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
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>

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#12 From: equality@...
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 6:45 pm
Subject: Houston Rally Location Confirmed equality@...
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All -

We have confirmed the reservation of Tranquility Park for Saturday,
1:00 PM. Please pass the word.

The address is: 400 Rusk (Intersection of Walker, Smith, Rusk.)
Downtown Houston. In front of City Hall.

Regards,
Dan

Dan DiDonato

5225 Katy Freeway Suite 310
Houston, Texas 77007-2252
713-862-3312
713-862-5577 (fax)

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#11 From: Dalia Stokes <stokes@...>
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Saturday rally problems stokes@...
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FYI - two women with us on Sat are Jewish. Sheila Loewenstern informed us that a problem with Sat the 18th is that the NCJW (National Council of Jewish Women) are having a big dinner/gala Sat night and will be decorating the banquet hall from 1 - 4 that afternoon.

----- Original Message -----

From: Edwin Johnston

To: trustthepeople-houston@egroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 10:46 AM

Subject: [trustthepeople-houston] Fw: Saturday rally problems

----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Ellen Brennan

To: Johnston, Edwin

Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 10:31 AM

Subject: Saturday rally

Edwin,
FYI Following is an email I recieved regarding Saturday demonstration. It contains some thoughts that I think you should consider in organizing the next rally. I did not attend the Houston rally last Saturday; but did attend the one in Austin.
Mary Ellen no they can not do it on Saturday. I am involved with the
Houston ADL so please inform who ever it is you speak to , that we need
the Jewish people at the protest. I am putting their email address on
here for you. I do talks for the ADL on hate and Seperation Church and
State. And if you want them at the protest it can not be on Saturday.
We need these people at our protest. This election effects them also. Not
only because they are citizens but because this is the first Jewish
person ever considered for this high office. And they I think will turn
out in full force, if it is not on Saturday.Below my name is Vicki's
email to me.....
Deb

Hi, Deb. What a mess! Listen, if you have any input into when meetings
take place, observant Jews observe the Saturday sabbath and don't do anything
outside of prayer and family gatherings and discussions. Most do not
drive on
the Sabbath.
For in the whatever it's worth department . . .
Luv,
Vicki
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#9 From: Mary Ellen Brennan <meb2@...>
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: 11.18 rally plans - Location? meb2@...
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Because of a prior committment, I  was not at the Houston rally, but was at the
rally in Austin which was very successful.   At one point we marched from the
original location, Governor's mansion, to the Capitol.  The Capitol was a much
better location because of the wide array of people milling there.  Let's decide
on some location and get on with the plans.

FYI -- Following is some Input I have received from activitists in Galveston
County as to day of rally .

Mary Ellen no they can not do it on Saturday. I am involved with the
Houston ADL so please inform who ever it is you speak to , that we need
the Jewish people at the protest. I am putting their email address on
here for you. I do talks for the ADL on hate and Seperation Church and
State. And if you want them at the protest it can not be on Saturday.

  Dmarksadl@...     ADL in Houston  her name is Dena
  waditaka@...          her father owns the Jewish Herald in Houston .
                                             Her name is Vicki

We need these people at our protest. This election effects them also. Not
only because they are citizens but because this is the first Jewish
person ever considered for this high office. And they I think will turn
out in full force, if it is not on Saturday.Below my name is Vicki's
email to me.....

Deb


Hi, Deb. What a mess! Listen, if you have any input into when meetings
take place, observant Jews observe the Saturday sabbath and don't do anything
outside of prayer and family gatherings and discussions. Most do not
drive on  the Sabbath.

For in the whatever it's worth department . . .

Luv,
Vicki


>
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#8 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: 11.18 rally plans - Location? edi@...
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I have no information on the proposed location of the 11/18 protest, other
than the suggestion of Tranquility Park as mentioned at the 11/11 demo.
As far as park permits are concerned. I have obtained one in 1999 to protest
at Hermann Park. They cost money, but it is possible to have the fees waived
by telling them that you have no money as a group and will clean up any
litter afterwards. But as far as parks, like Tranquility Park is concerned,
I would go without a permit. And no permit is required for city hall. Sound
permits are a must for bullhorns though.
i've seen and been part of demos at Westheimer and Post Oak, which has a lot
of traffic, but it is full of wealthy shoppers to a large extent. It doesn't
matter to me in the end. I feel that Montrose, or the poorer areas in town
are better locations because of the potential for bringing people into our
cause. Whoever took that contact list should get on the ball and begin
contacting people as well as shoving them over to this list to work on
organizing. We've got to get things set down quickly in order to get people
out and make outside contacts.
Additionally, there is an idea going around now to hold a massive protest in
Washington, D.C. on Inauguration Day should Bush succeed in stealing the
election.


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To: <trustthepeople-houston@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 10:01 AM
Subject: [trustthepeople-houston] 11.18 rally plans - Location?


> I noticed your comments about location possibilities.  I understood
> at the end of the rally that Dan DiDonato is going to try to get a
> permit for us - he was checking into Tranquility Park and City Hall,
> I think.  Tranquility Park has been recommended to us as a good site
> that has been used before with room for mingling and for journalists
> and a raised area from which to speak.
>
> One of the demonstrators Sat said she had participated in a protest
> in the Galleria on the corner of Post Oak and Westheimer and it is
> the busiest intersection in the state apparently.  I would think that
> would be better than in Montrose because it would not be "preaching
> to the choir" and would no doubt generate quite a fuss.
>
> I am new to demonstrations, but I think I would prefer the notion of
> a permit for a city park, so we could use the bullhorn and we could
> better notify media and others of where to find us.
>
> Just some thoughts.
>
>
>
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> trustthepeople-houston-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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#7 From: stokes@...
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 4:01 pm
Subject: 11.18 rally plans - Location? stokes@...
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I noticed your comments about location possibilities.  I understood
at the end of the rally that Dan DiDonato is going to try to get a
permit for us - he was checking into Tranquility Park and City Hall,
I think.  Tranquility Park has been recommended to us as a good site
that has been used before with room for mingling and for journalists
and a raised area from which to speak.

One of the demonstrators Sat said she had participated in a protest
in the Galleria on the corner of Post Oak and Westheimer and it is
the busiest intersection in the state apparently.  I would think that
would be better than in Montrose because it would not be "preaching
to the choir" and would no doubt generate quite a fuss.

I am new to demonstrations, but I think I would prefer the notion of
a permit for a city park, so we could use the bullhorn and we could
better notify media and others of where to find us.

Just some thoughts.

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#6 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: Houton Rally 11.11.00 GREAT edi@...
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Wonderful coverage by the Roadwomen!
I will forward to the just-now-forming houston-indy media group:
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-houston
I have added the photo link to the links folder in the trustthepeople-
houston discussion list website. Please take advantage of these
additional aspects on the board by adding links, files, etc.
The ball is really rolling now. Keep up the good work.

--- In trustthepeople-houston@egroups.com, stokes@b... wrote:
> Click on the link below for photos of the Houston rally:
>
http://www.roadwomen.com/Articles_Archieve/roadwomen_march_for_voting_
> right.htm
>
> See related links at:
> http://www.roadwomen.com/news.htm
>
> The Houston Chronicle ran a story in Sunday's Metropolitan section:
>
> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/744632
> Nov. 12, 2000, 12:14AM

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#5 From: stokes@...
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 2:15 pm
Subject: Houton Rally 11.11.00 GREAT stokes@...
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Click on the link below for photos of the Houston rally:
http://www.roadwomen.com/Articles_Archieve/roadwomen_march_for_voting_
right.htm

See related links at:
http://www.roadwomen.com/news.htm

The Houston Chronicle ran a story in Sunday's Metropolitan section:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/744632
Nov. 12, 2000, 12:14AM

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#4 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Mon Nov 13, 2000 1:52 pm
Subject: 11/18 Organizing edi@...
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Although I was not part of the organizing for the 11/11 protest, I
did attend and have lots of prior organizing experience, so I will
attempt to contribute to the process in this letter.
At the 11/11 demonstration, which was moved from Jones Plaza to City
Hall, eventually ending up at Market Square, some plans were made for
11/18. Tentatively the demonstration will take place downtown again
at 1 pm. It is not clear whether the location will be Market Square
again, City Hall or perhaps Tranquility Park. A sign up sheet was
passed around by the organizers of the event in order to contact
people with more information on the 11/18 protest. I have not
received anything from them yet.
One thing I wish to mention is that there was a bullhorn at the 11/11
event. This is necessary to adequately address the attendees and the
public. However a sound permit is required to legally use a bullhorn
on city streets. Bullhorn permits can be purchased downtown for $10
and are good for one day. Only one is required for the entire group.
Once you apply and pay, you must take a receipt to the police
station. There is no such thing as a protest permit. You have the
right to march on city sidewalks and to gather in city parks under
your first amendment rights. Police may try to harrass the group,
often asking at first who the "leader" is. This is just a ploy to
gain intelligence on the group and to intimidate any outspoken
people. My recommendation is to provide as little information to the
police as possible, but to remain polite. If you have any trouble
with the police or are arrested for any reason, feel free to contact
me and I will recommend some reliable attorneys who may help pro bono.
Lastly, I would like to relate my ideas on further protests. Downtown
on a Saturday is not a particulary crowded place. This inhibits
getting our message out to the people. Some people seem more
interested in gaining media attention thinking that way we'd get a
large audience for our ideas. This is false thinking due to inherent
anti-public, pro-corporation bias in the media. If you want press,
hold a press conference before the event, like say 10 am Thursday
morning, a slow news time. It is more important to go to places where
we can influence people face to face to educate them and build our
ranks. Some places like the corner of Montrose and Westheimer would
be wise because of commercial traffic of all sorts of people. Poor
neighborhoods like the Gulfton neighborhood or the Third Ward would
also be ideal in order to draft working class people. The picket
signs at the 11/11 demo were superb. I would also suggest having
informnational flyers printed up to distribute, listing facts and
contact information.
Hopefully this will get the ball rolling on organizing for this list.
Feel free to comment and add your own perspective. If anyone would
like to propose us meeting in Houston early this week, I would do my
best to attend.

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#3 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: Welcome edi@...
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Your comments are appreciated. No one should feel the need to address
me on the operation of this list. Hopefully it will serve to engage
people and organize them in the democratic process.

--- In trustthepeople-houston@egroups.com, dbl_tap@h... wrote:
> Edwin,
> Thanks for making this an open group. I'll start by introducing
> myself; I'm a republican and have been "almost" all my adult life,
> beginning with working for Nixon's re-election when I was still in
> high school, and I did vote for Bush. I agree with the recount in
FL,
> I do not agree with the hand count, and I do not agree with the law
> suit that the Bush campaign has filed. I do stand for keeping the
> electoral college, I do think that the voting "process" could be
made
> better for all people in all states, but I do feel that it is the
> voter's responsibility (there's that republican bias creeping in)
to
> educatate themselves to properly vote when provided the opportunity.
> Brian
>
> --- In trustthepeople-houston@egroups.com, "Edwin Johnston"
> <edi@h...> wrote:
> > This discussion list is for Houstonians who are concerned about
the
> > 2000 elections and the impact it is having on democracy. it is a
> > totally open group, so feel free to post what you will

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#2 From: dbl_tap@...
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: Welcome dbl_tap@...
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Edwin,
Thanks for making this an open group. I'll start by introducing
myself; I'm a republican and have been "almost" all my adult life,
beginning with working for Nixon's re-election when I was still in
high school, and I did vote for Bush. I agree with the recount in FL,
I do not agree with the hand count, and I do not agree with the law
suit that the Bush campaign has filed. I do stand for keeping the
electoral college, I do think that the voting "process" could be made
better for all people in all states, but I do feel that it is the
voter's responsibility (there's that republican bias creeping in) to
educatate themselves to properly vote when provided the opportunity.
Brian

--- In trustthepeople-houston@egroups.com, "Edwin Johnston"
<edi@h...> wrote:
> This discussion list is for Houstonians who are concerned about the
> 2000 elections and the impact it is having on democracy. it is a
> totally open group, so feel free to post what you will

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#1 From: "Edwin Johnston" <edi@...>
Date: Sun Nov 12, 2000 5:08 pm
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