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Hi Guys,

The other day I had the pleasure of meeting one of our cousins, Marlene Oliver. 
She told me that she had talked to someone who said that George W. (George II,
George I, John) had the middle name of "Washington" based upon an obituary
written up by one of his grandsons, the obituary is in the Gallipolis Journal of
August 17, 1898.  However, I'd like to lay out my case for George William, since
our Tope website says that "Melancthon gives his name as George W., but Linda
Trent  gives the middle name as William."  Here's why I believe his middle name
is William.

First, the obituary was written by the Reverend William Henderson Tope, a full
brother to Harry Washington Tope, both grandsons of Geo. W.  In the obituary
William gave George's name as "George Washington Tope."

However, when my great grandfather William George died Harry W. Tope filled out
William's death certificate.  He gave his grandfather's name (Wm's father's
name) as "Geo. Wm."  It seems to me as though Harry would know if his
grandfather and he shared the same middle name, but instead he gave it as
William.  Harry's middle name comes from the fact he was born on February 22,
George W. was not.

And finally another grandson of G.W. was Albert Tope who wrote the Tope Family
history from Gallipolis in the 1940s.  He wrote "This George William Tope was
involved in the Civil War in the defence of the Seige of Cincinnati."  So here
we have two grandsons saying it was George William and one saying George
Washington.

And at the many family reunions held here in Gallipolis it was always said that
William George was his father's name in reverse.  It was switched to honor not
only his father George William, but his maternal grandfather William Donaldson. 
So it was William first (since both father and grandfather had that name) and
George second.  Just oral history / family lore, whatever. :-)

Again, due to the fact that Harry said William, and it's two to one, I tend to
go along with the William rather than Washington.  I am open to any other cases
of either William or Washington.  Unfortunately, every single signature or
official paper ever made during G. W.'s lifetime either has G. W. or Geo. W. or
some such.  His middle name is never used during his lifetime.

Now I do have a great great grandfather (same generation) who I believe did have
the middle name of Washington, of course he was born February 22 and his name is
George W. Eachus.  I may be wrong, but that one holds a lot more promise. :-)

Linda Trent
linda_trent@...

#1186

From: "linda_trent@..." <linda_trent@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: Jefferson Tope from Hancock Co, WV

linda_trent...

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Two funny things, first I discovered I wasn't on this list until this morning,
and second my husband just these two links to me this morning before I knew
there was an inquiry. :-)

Check out the following two sites.  The first is a pdf that may take a few
minutes to load, one may need to do an edit find to get to the relevent parts.

http://pa-files.biofiles.us/Washington/Wash-1910.V2.1013-1104.pdf
This links to Thomas J. Tope the son of Jacob J. and Louisa (Lankfoot)
Tope... "Jacob J. Tope was born in Hancock County, W. Va., December 9, 1818,
attended school in Holliday's Cove,in Brooke County."

There is also Jefferson J. Tope
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohjeffer/1890bioindex/jjtope.html
"Mr. Tope was married in 1845 to Louisa Langfitt" so it looks like it's the same
man, just his first and middle name are reversed.

Linda Trent
linda_trent@...

#1185

From: "Donald Kear" <dkear@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: Jefferson Tope from Hancock Co, WV

donaldkear

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Have her look at http://george.tope-family.org/tope_lucretia.htm Lucretia Tope apparently was an unmarried mother.

Don

----- Original Message -----

From: Alan Tope

To: topegen@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:23 PM

Subject: [topegen] Jefferson Tope from Hancock Co, WV

Here is a query sent to me. Does any one have information? Elaine is not a
group member (yet), and I have invited her to join.

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
emsdrake
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:22 PM
To: tope-e34@nc.rr.com
Subject: Jefferson Tope from Hancock Co, WV

Good evening Alan,

I am doing research on Jacob Jefferson Tope (09 Dec 1818 to 06 Aug 1891). He
was born in Hollidays Cove, Hancock Co, WV and died in New Manchester,
Hancock Co, WV. He was the son of Jacob Tope and Lucretia (unknown last
name). His father supposedly died in 1821. Jacob Jefferson Tope married
Louisa Langfitt (11 May 1828 to 04 Mar 1901/1905). Both are buried in the
United Methodist Cemetery, New Manchester, Hancock Co, WV. Jacob Jefferson
and Louisa Langfitt Tope had 12 children. After Jacob Jefferson Tope died,
Louisa married Samuel Stewart on 09 Nov 1894. She was 60 and he was 81. My
question is: do you know anything about the parents of Jacob Jefferson
Tope? Supposedly Jacob J. Tope settled in Hollidays Cove about 1818.

Thank you for your time.

Elaine Drake

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#1184

From: "Alan Tope" <tope-e34@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 2:23 am
Subject: Jefferson Tope from Hancock Co, WV

alantopegen

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Here is a query sent to me. Does any one have information? Elaine is not a
group member (yet), and I have invited her to join.

Alan


-----Original Message-----
From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notify@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
emsdrake
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:22 PM
To: tope-e34@...
Subject: Jefferson Tope from Hancock Co, WV

Good evening Alan,

I am doing research on Jacob Jefferson Tope (09 Dec 1818 to 06 Aug 1891). He
was born in Hollidays Cove, Hancock Co, WV and died in New Manchester,
Hancock Co, WV.  He was the son of Jacob Tope and Lucretia (unknown last
name).  His father supposedly died in 1821.  Jacob Jefferson Tope married
Louisa Langfitt (11 May 1828 to 04 Mar 1901/1905).  Both are buried in the
United Methodist Cemetery, New Manchester, Hancock Co, WV.  Jacob Jefferson
and Louisa Langfitt Tope had 12 children.  After Jacob Jefferson Tope died,
Louisa married Samuel Stewart on 09 Nov 1894.  She was 60 and he was 81.  My
question is:  do you know anything about the parents of Jacob Jefferson
Tope?  Supposedly Jacob J. Tope settled in Hollidays Cove about 1818.

Thank you for your time.

Elaine Drake

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#1183

From: "Alan Tope" <tope-e34@...>
Date: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:52 pm
Subject: Article on Abraham Tope

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Hi All:

I've just posted an article about Abraham Tope to our topegen group, published in the latest issue of Ohio Gen Society Quarterly. To access it, just log into yahoo/topegen, then click on "files"; you'll find it there.

Thanks to Florence Jester for copying and sending the article to me.

Alan

#1182

From: "donaldkear" <dkear@...>
Date: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:58 pm
Subject: Abraham Tope page

donaldkear

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The Abraham Tope page is revised, based on new and more accurate information
about him. http://john.tope-family.org/tope_abraham.html
The page for Levi Tope, son of Abraham, will also be revised.

#1180

From: jesterf@...
Date: Thu Oct 8, 2009 6:23 pm
Subject: New Ohio Genealogical Society Quarterly

jesterflorence

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I just received my copy of the fall Ohio genealogical magazine (subject as above) and found the article entitled "The Mystery of Abraham Tope" by Eric Johnson. Very interesting reading for all the topegen folks .

Is Eric Johnson a topegen member? As a Johnson/Johnston researcher descended from a marriage of a Tope and a Johnston or Johnson, I would be pleased to open a line of communication with him.

Florence Johnston Jester

#1179

From: "Donald Kear" <dkear@...>
Date: Tue Oct 6, 2009 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: To Molly re: Question about Robert Tope

donaldkear

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Rob,

Before deleting this old message, I need to ask if you found your ancestor on our site? If not, try this link: http://john.tope-family.org/tope_cameron.html

Don

----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Griffith

To: topegen@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:17 PM

Subject: RE: To Molly re: [topegen] Question about Robert Tope

Hello Gayle ,

My Name Robert Griffith , my mother is Donna Mae Tope from Hartville , Ohio her Father was Denver William Tope born in Clinton , Ohio , his Father was Cameron Tope . I have information but don't know how far back before Cameron that is correct . I was told that our line is from John of the three brothers .

Sincerely ,

Rob Griffith

----- Original Message -----

From: gayleannherron - centurytel

To: topegen@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 10/26/2006 11:40:40 AM

Subject: To Molly re: [topegen] Question about Robert Tope

Hi Molly,

We have a lot of folks with more recent Tope info on this site, but I checked mine and your grandfather isn't in my database... I don't know what line he is from or I could possibly give you earlier (ancestry) info, but I know someone is going to get back to you with what you request as this site is that helpful.

Gayle Herron

----- Original Message -----

From: monkeymjt13

To: topegen@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:15 PM

Subject: [topegen] Question about Robert Tope

There is some information that we could add to
http://www.geocities.com/donaldkear/

Information about Thomas B. Tope.

My grandfather is Robert Sinnett Tope and I would like to update that
page and the information about my Grandparent's children and
grandchildren. I couldn't find any way to sumit information on the
webpage, however I did find this group. Who would we give that
information to?

Thanks, Molly

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#1175

From: jesterf@...
Date: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:32 am
Subject: Re: My DNA test. It's "in the mail" ....

jesterflorence

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Great! I am pleased to see another Tope besides Sid join the Tope surname project.

Florence Johnston Jester

#1174

From: "Alan Tope" <tope-e34@...>
Date: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:26 pm
Subject: My DNA test. It's "in the mail" ....

alantopegen

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Just wanted you all to know that I received my DNA test kit on Friday, and sent it back (with the sample, of course!) on Saturday. I'll send and update when I get the results.

Alan

#1173

From: Gayle Herron <gayleannherron@...>
Date: Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:38 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: Doug & Misty Reese

branson_mom

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Hi Ray,

�

I haven't had contact with Doug & Misty in past year.

Have a great day.

Gayle Herron

�

On 8/23/09, rt81043 <raytope@...> wrote:

�

--- In topegen@yahoogroups.com, RAY JAN TOPE <raytope@...> wrote:

Has anyone had any contact with Doug & Misty in the last 12 months the last address I have keep being returned when I try making ocontact. We started talking about Thomas B, then I was sent out of town to on job site where I had no email and have lost contact with them. It sounded as though we could have had alot more to discuss/share in our searches.

Does anyone have information about childern or grand children of Golda or Herbert Tope or any of Clarences siblings?

Regards

M. Ray Tope
raytope@...

--- End forwarded message ---

#1172

From: "rt81043" <raytope@...>
Date: Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:44 pm
Subject: Fwd: Doug & Misty Reese

rt81043

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--- In topegen@yahoogroups.com, RAY JAN TOPE <raytope@...> wrote:


Has anyone had any contact with Doug & Misty in the last 12 months the last
address I have keep being returned when I try making ocontact.  We started
talking about Thomas B, then I was sent out of town to on job site where I had
no email and have lost contact with them.  It sounded as though we could have
had alot more to discuss/share in our searches.

Does anyone have information about childern or grand children of  Golda or
Herbert Tope or any of Clarences siblings?

Regards

M. Ray Tope
raytope@...

--- End forwarded message ---

#1167

From: "Donald Kear" <dkear@...>
Date: Wed Aug 5, 2009 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: Question about Robert Tope

donaldkear

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And I'm in a fog today. Your message was answered, and I failed to transfer it to my Tope file.

----- Original Message -----

From: Donald Kear

To: topegen@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: [topegen] Question about Robert Tope

Sorry, Molly, but I don't remember reading this email. Don't know what
world I was in. :)

Please send your information to me and I will post it. As you probably know
by now, geocities.com is being terminated. You also may know this, but the
Tope page now is at www.tope-family.org/.
Don Kear

----- Original Message -----
From: "monkeymjt13" <monkeymjt13@hotmail.com>
To: <topegen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: [topegen] Question about Robert Tope

> There is some information that we could add to
> http://www.geocities.com/donaldkear/
>
> Information about Thomas B. Tope.
>
> My grandfather is Robert Sinnett Tope and I would like to update that
> page and the information about my Grandparent's children and
> grandchildren. I couldn't find any way to sumit information on the
> webpage, however I did find this group. Who would we give that
> information to?
>
> Thanks, Molly
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

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#1166

From: "Donald Kear" <dkear@...>
Date: Wed Aug 5, 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Question about Robert Tope

donaldkear

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Sorry, Molly, but I don't remember reading this email.  Don't know what
world I was in. :)

Please send your information to me and I will post it.  As you probably know
by now, geocities.com is being terminated.  You also may know this, but the
Tope page now is at www.tope-family.org/.
Don Kear

----- Original Message -----
From: "monkeymjt13" <monkeymjt13@...>
To: <topegen@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: [topegen] Question about Robert Tope


> There is some information that we could add to
> http://www.geocities.com/donaldkear/
>
> Information about Thomas B. Tope.
>
> My grandfather is Robert Sinnett Tope and I would like to update that
> page and the information about my Grandparent's children and
> grandchildren.  I couldn't find any way to sumit information on the
> webpage, however I did find this group.  Who would we give that
> information to?
>
> Thanks, Molly
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

#1162

From: "Linda Trent" <lindatrent@...>
Date: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:47 pm
Subject: Updates

lindatrent1863

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http://lindatrent.homestead.com/Jemima-Merrell-Morgan.html

For those who've purchased my book, or even those who haven't. If you're interested in any of my updates they're free by going to my website and printing the pages.

The updates are mostly for the Morgan and Merrill lines. Julia Morgan married William G. Tope on August 17, 1868 in Gallia County, Ohio, and were the parents of Albert Tope who wrote the Tope history of the Gallia County Topes in 1953. Julia's portion of the book is page 50-51 and the Morgan/Merrill portion of my book is pages 84-85. This family has been somewhat blown open since I completed my book. That's what I always hated about books, as soon as they're written errors or omissions are found, and new information comes forth and soon what was new and exciting two years ago is old and almost obsolete.

Julia's sister Alcinda married my George F. Hixon on my father's maternal side, so that's why I have a deeper interest in the Morgan/Merrills than just my great grandpa's first wife. For anyone interested in that part it too has been blown open and is about to be clear cut as soon as my cousin completes his DNA and gets the results for me. :-)

The two pages are as follows:

http://lindatrent.homestead.com/Merrill.html

Linda.

#1161

From: "Donald Kear" <dkear@...>
Date: Thu Jul 9, 2009 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: First John Tope/as related to Sid Tope's DNA

donaldkear

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Florence,

Your family has been online from the beginning. If corrections are needed, please send them to me, and they will be posted.

Don Kear

----- Original Message -----

From: jesterf@...

To: topegen@yahoogroups.com

Cc: raytope@... ; tope-e34@... ; wgtope@...

Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:49 PM

Subject: Re: [topegen] First John Tope/as related to Sid Tope's DNA

For Alan, William and Ray, et al

You may know that Sid and I are descended from the tribe of John- our pedigree is pretty much as Melancton has written it for the most part- our John married Mary Helmick as per Melancton's history and their son (we call him Jacob John) married Sarah ( or Sally) Everhart or Everhardt. She was born in PA and you may find her family in the Washington County, PA courthouse records-- it has been several years since I visited there and saw her father's will, and other documents- the name is spelled Eberhardt originally although is was already being Americanized in some of the same documents that had the old spelling.

We have quite a bit of faith in Melancton's history- he seems to be meticulous in trying to record as much as he could discover and he did live in the place and time where their were still people who remembered the old folks. We only differ with him when we have the proofs that he did not have, especially in our case, where almost all of Jacob John and Sarah's family moved on to Iowa.

The main difference that we have with Melancton's history is that he says that Jacob married a Miss Cross- if he did, it was before he married Sarah Everhart, as the information about the children is generally correct as it the move to Iowa. (Someone else in the family married Sarah's sister, did they not?)

We have a copy of a what is purported to be a tintype picture of Jacob John Tope----Melancton calls him "Black Jake" and he does indeed have a lot of black hair and beard.

Jacob John and Sarah Everhart Tope left Ohio and accompanied their daughter. Sarah, and her husband, John Johnston, to Fayette County, Iowa, where both died and are buried in the West Union, IA city cemetery. I have personally researched this history in West Union where descendents live to this day, and in Perry County (where they lived in 1850) and in Jefferson County, Ohio.

Both the marriages of Jacob John Tope and Sarah (Sally) Everhard (1812) and their daughter, Sarah Everhart and John Johnston (1840) are on record.

I would like to post our branch of the family to the Tope website sometime- if I ever figure out how to get into it and do just that!

In the meantime, here is Sid's line: "the Tribe of John"

John Tope, of the brothers, John, George and Frederick as published in Melancton Tope's history, probably married to Elizabeth

Their son, John, born 16 Nov 1767, Harper's Ferry, MD married Mary Helmick, John is buried in Lease's Graveyard, Salem, Jefferson County, Ohio and Mary is buried in New Rumley, Harrison County, OH

Their son, Jacob, born 4 March 1789 in PA, married Sarah Everhart, born 1794 in PA, both died and are buried Fayette County, IA. Melancton Tope says Jacob married a "Miss Cross" but if he did, it was an early marriage and we have no record of it. We do have a record of his marriage to Sarah (Sally) Everhart/Everhard/Everhardt and the children listed in Melancton's book are correct as far as he goes.

The Tope family in West Union, IA has a more extensive pedigree of each of the children-especially for Sarah, who married John Johnson(Florence Johnston Jester's ancestor),for John who married Margaret Ann Stahl,(Margaret Tope Foxwell's ancestor) and for George W Tope, born in 1833, married Susannah Hoover and are the ancestors of Sid Tope, our DNA Tope surname participant as follows:

George W Tope and Susannah Hoover are the parents of Sidney Albert Tope, Senior, called Bert.

Sidney Albert Tope, SR, married Anna Mae Johnston. They are the parents of Sidney Albert Tope, JR, called Sid, who lives in West Union, Fayette County, IA.

Sidney Albert Tope, JR, has two sons but no grandsons so his male line dies out in this generation.

The current Sid Tope and I are related through both the Tope and Johnston lines.

Florence Johnston Jester

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#1160

From: jesterf@...
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 8:55 pm
Subject: From Foxwell@... re Tope history

jesterflorence

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"DID I EVER GIVE YOU A COPY OF MELANCTHON'S 1939 BOOKLET' THE FIRST TOPE
SETTLEMENT IN OHIO '' THAT WAS THE JOHN [ OF THE 3 BROTHERS] @ GREAT G[PARENTS OF OUR KINFOLK SID'S @ MY ANCESTORS WERE BROTHERS. SO ON DOWN THE LINE. I WISH I COULD LOCATE SOMEONE WITH A N ORIGINAL OF THE BOOKLETS WILLING TO RECOPY IT @ HOPEFULLY GET BETTER PICTURES.. WELL, ITS BEDTIME === LOVE MARGARET

Does an original of this exist? Margaret's copy has pictures that have been copied long ago and are so poor as to be unrecognizable.

Florence

#1159

From: jesterf@...
Date: Wed Jul 8, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: First John Tope/as related to Sid Tope's DNA

jesterflorence

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For Alan, William and Ray, et al

You may know that Sid and I are descended from the tribe of John- our pedigree is pretty much as Melancton has written it for the most part- our John married Mary Helmick as per Melancton's history and their son (we call him Jacob John) married Sarah ( or Sally) Everhart or Everhardt. She was born in PA and you may find her family in the Washington County, PA courthouse records-- it has been several years since I visited there and saw her father's will, and other documents- the name is spelled Eberhardt originally although is was already being Americanized in some of the same documents that had the old spelling.

We have quite a bit of faith in Melancton's history- he seems to be meticulous in trying to record as much as he could discover and he did live in the place and time where their were still people who remembered the old folks. We only differ with him when we have the proofs that he did not have, especially in our case, where almost all of Jacob John and Sarah's family moved on to Iowa.

The main difference that we have with Melancton's history is that he says that Jacob married a Miss Cross- if he did, it was before he married Sarah Everhart, as the information about the children is generally correct as it the move to Iowa. (Someone else in the family married Sarah's sister, did they not?)

We have a copy of a what is purported to be a tintype picture of Jacob John Tope----Melancton calls him "Black Jake" and he does indeed have a lot of black hair and beard.

Jacob John and Sarah Everhart Tope left Ohio and accompanied their daughter. Sarah, and her husband, John Johnston, to Fayette County, Iowa, where both died and are buried in the West Union, IA city cemetery. I have personally researched this history in West Union where descendents live to this day, and in Perry County (where they lived in 1850) and in Jefferson County, Ohio.

Both the marriages of Jacob John Tope and Sarah (Sally) Everhard (1812) and their daughter, Sarah Everhart and John Johnston (1840) are on record.

I would like to post our branch of the family to the Tope website sometime- if I ever figure out how to get into it and do just that!

In the meantime, here is Sid's line: "the Tribe of John"

John Tope, of the brothers, John, George and Frederick as published in Melancton Tope's history, probably married to Elizabeth

Their son, John, born 16 Nov 1767, Harper's Ferry, MD married Mary Helmick, John is buried in Lease's Graveyard, Salem, Jefferson County, Ohio and Mary is buried in New Rumley, Harrison County, OH

Their son, Jacob, born 4 March 1789 in PA, married Sarah Everhart, born 1794 in PA, both died and are buried Fayette County, IA. Melancton Tope says Jacob married a "Miss Cross" but if he did, it was an early marriage and we have no record of it. We do have a record of his marriage to Sarah (Sally) Everhart/Everhard/Everhardt and the children listed in Melancton's book are correct as far as he goes.

The Tope family in West Union, IA has a more extensive pedigree of each of the children-especially for Sarah, who married John Johnson(Florence Johnston Jester's ancestor),for John who married Margaret Ann Stahl,(Margaret Tope Foxwell's ancestor) and for George W Tope, born in 1833, married Susannah Hoover and are the ancestors of Sid Tope, our DNA Tope surname participant as follows:

George W Tope and Susannah Hoover are the parents of Sidney Albert Tope, Senior, called Bert.

Sidney Albert Tope, SR, married Anna Mae Johnston. They are the parents of Sidney Albert Tope, JR, called Sid, who lives in West Union, Fayette County, IA.

Sidney Albert Tope, JR, has two sons but no grandsons so his male line dies out in this generation.

The current Sid Tope and I are related through both the Tope and Johnston lines.

Florence Johnston Jester

#1158

From: RAY JAN TOPE <raytope@...>
Date: Sun Jul 5, 2009 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: FTDNA extended tests at a special price

rt81043

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Flo

I just returned home from a two month work project to find several emails regarding FamilyTreeDNA project & testing. It looks as though the pricing may have changed do to a special pricing program. Could you or someone let me know about the program.

How do I go about getting involved with this project? Who would be the administrator? How many people can one use for a bases for the testing?

M. Ray Tope
raytope@...

To: topegen@yahoogroups.com
From: jesterf@...
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:19:40 -0400
Subject: [topegen] FTDNA extended tests at a special price

Sidney Albert Tope, a descendant of the original John Tope, has his DNA on file with FamilyTreeDNA. Any male Tope descended from that line carrying the surname will match Sid. Any who are interested in joining the Tope surname project may do so by accessing Family Tree DNA's website and requesting a kit for that surname project. I will be happy to share his kit number and password with those who wish to make this comparison.

Florence Johnston Jester

jesterf@aol.com

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From: info@...
To: JESTERF@...
Subject: Extension - Unparalleled 50% Promotional Discount
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:17:58 -0500

Dear Tope Group Administrator,

In the last few days we have received several e-mails from group administrators asking us to extend our "Unparalleled 50% Promotional Discount" Y-DNA37+mtDNA for $119 (the regular project price is $248 � a reduction of more than 50%!!), as many people are only now becoming aware of the promotion.

We have decided, therefore, to extend it until June 30th, 2009. Kits must be paid by July 7, 2009. In order for the most people take advantage of this promotion, we encourage you to post the following link in your family messages boards, blogs, and mail lists, as well as forward to people when they ask you where to place the order:

www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Tope&Code=N78930

For those projects that require a "Join Request", please be sure to reply to the prospective test candidate in time for him to order at the promotional price.

As always, that you for your continued support.

Max Blankfeld
Vice-President, Operations and Marketing
http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com
"History Unearthed Daily"
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#1157

From: "Linda Trent" <lindatrent@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 2:48 am
Subject: Re: FTDNA extended tests at a special price

lindatrent1863

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Thanks for all the info. So it looks like I have to know who I'm going to get the sample from before I order a kit. Geez, this means I have to go out and find someone, I'm too lazy. :-)

Thanks, I'll get moving on it A.S.A.P.

Linda.

#1156

From: jesterf@...
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: FTDNA extended tests at a special price

jesterflorence

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Hi Linda,

Let's see if I can answer all your questions-- first of all, to prove relationship, it must be a male carrying the surname OR a person who suspects he should be and wants to find out if indeed he is a Tope. So that rules out the female half of us.

Secondly, no matter who they are (in relationship to your Morgans), if his surname is Tope, then he should be carrying the particular markers on his Y chromosome that will match other related Topes.(unless adopted, etc)

And yes, Linda, I do quite a lot of Johnson/Johnston men in that I order the test from FamilyTreeDNA, and pay for it with my own credit card, but the testing is done in the name of the male being tested, That is why I asked for Alan's full name and his mailing address. I place the order, and have the test kit sent to him in his name and at his home, but have my email address as the administrator or the party requesting the test, as the person to be notified. Often, there will be two email addresses, mine and the person doing the test so that he will also be notified by email of the results.

With the Johnson/ston/e Surname Project, it is easy as has been organized for several years, has an administrator and a web site, etc We even get a price break on the test routinely as there are so many of us.

With the Tope's, the only one I have in our DNA surname project right now is my first cousin, Sidney Albert Tope. We would be comparing all Tope's that apply now with his DNA. We have a very good paper trail of his genealogy back to Melancton's history- actually, to my Dad and his sisters, this was not all that ancient of history! When Dad was born in 1889, Sarah Ann Tope Johnston was still alive in Iowa--well, I won't go into how that family communicated but trust me, we are so inter-related back there that I am related to half the cemetery in West Union, Fayette County, IA!

Sid has a brother alive yet also, in CA. Both are in their late 80's. Adding relatives to the project is great as there are a couple of markers that mutate occasionally- makes it interesting.

I suggest that if you order a test for someone, and do as above, that you give your private email address as the person to be notified, rather than the topegen group, until you have the results. Then it is up to you and the person that has been tested to decide whether about sharing those results with the group. Of course, that is the whole point, but still, it gives confidence to the person being tested that he has that control.

I am going to check now with FamilyTreeDNA to make sure the "sale price" is still good and will email you back with the web address, etc.

Florence Johnston Jester

A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!

#1155

From: "Linda Trent" <lindatrent@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: FTDNA extended tests at a special price

lindatrent1863

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> There is a sale going on right now at FamilyTreeDNA and would like to enter your test.

What tests do you all use? Aren't there several different ones? I'd love it if I could get one of my 1st cousins to do the test -- even better my brother, but like that's gonna happen.

I have several first cousins and first cousins once removed around me, all bearing the surname of Tope, so I ought to get on their case and see if anyone would be willing.

Now here's a DNA question. My cousin Earl is related to me on two different lines Tope and Morgan, would his DNA match my family's more exact for that reason? On the other hand, he's through my great grandfather's first wife, and I'm from the second, will that mess anything up? Though the first wife's parents are the parents of my gg grandmother on another line. Now if that isn't confusing. :-)

I wonder if my cousin Bud would be willing to do it?

When you order the kit do you have to have a person named, or can I order a kit and take it around to cousins and see who's the first to offer to do it?

Thanks,

Linda.

#1154

From: jesterf@...
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: FTDNA extended tests at a special price

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Hi Alan,

I am back at home and would like to discuss this with you. There is a sale going on right now at FamilyTreeDNA and would like to enter your test. I need a mailing address for you and the full name that you want the test done under and an email address other than this group address, please.

Florence Johnston Jester

A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!

#1153

From: Gayle Herron <gayleannherron@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:04 pm
Subject: Re: First John Tope

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This email is of no real meaning other than I want to give thanks to Gail and Bill for their emailed conversations on this site.� You both have been SO informative and your willingness to put this via our Topegen group has given us all not only an interesting family history story, but a great opportunity, because of the quality of your verbage, information that anyone could use to fit with their own data, even if it wasn't directly related.� So often people are nearly vague and detailed only in data without the conversational verbage that helps it all make sense.� I've enjoyed reading the history you both have shared (especially Bill's) and will put it in my database if for no other reason than someday long after I am dead there might be someone reading my database and will be able to use this well-written communication and find something that will help them.� I wish more people would communicate this well when sharing information.

�

With most regard

gayle

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Wm M Danner <macdann@...> wrote:

Thank you Gail. I very much appreciate your response back to me and any help you can give in trying to find a more solid connection to the Frederick line. The John�Core line sounds interesting too. And it seems like it is wide open to develop a genealogical�line of descendents that connect to�the Topes. New discoveries are so exciting to find and pioneering a new line is choice territory.

A side story: Whenever I first started looking for my own connections to�my original name, Getzendanner, I was researching from where I am now in Augusta GA. My family knew little about our heritage. About all we did know what that it started in South Carolina, so my brother suggested that I look around and dig there. Augusta GA sets on the Savannah River which is the dividing line between GA and�SC. I checked in our local public library and found nearly nothing. After joining the Genealogical Library here, things began to happen as�I poured through�all of the hard back books on SC. I'd spend every day they were open down there searching. Then, one day�I was searching through the LDS disk collection. I'd been in there before many times but didn't know before that there was a library catalog on one of those disks. I found some leads to Orangeburg, SC where a couple of German Lutherans by the name of Giezendanner came to Orangeburg in the 1700s and while I thought there might be connection there somewhere, it just didn't fit my gut. I couldn't get a feel for connectedness. It was possible but something�told me to keep looking.

In that catalog on disk I found a�reference to a privately published book by a David C. Getzendanner from Salem Oregon. This guy was a retired Lutheran minister. The title of his book was "Thomas Getzendanner of Maryland and South Carolina", published in 1993. After finding a way to phone him, I got him on the phone and told him I thought I might be related. He asked me to outline my father's line and I only knew a small amount of information. I knew the Gitson or�Getzen portion�of Getzendanner and told him who I was an where�I was born, etc and that my dad had come from West Tennessee in Gibson County. And his name was Thomas Gilchrist Danner ("Thomas G.", you understand) and so this guy said he'd check his book and get back to me. Well, I thought this can't be the correct lineage with this guy all the way out in Oregon.�When he called back within a couple of hours, he said,�it appeared that it might be possible but he wanted to�make sure and so�he asked�me if I knew anything more about my dad's family and so I gave him the�names of dad's siblings and also named Dad's dad. And on the other end of the phone came a gleeful sound of joy. He said,�Bill, you've found your family line. He said, "We lost your line of Danners in 1900".�David Cramer Getzendanner�has been able to travel to Germany in search of our lines and talked with German�State Genealogists in tracking down the douments�necessary to publish his series of books on the Getzendanner lines. We are not German Danners, but Swiss Getzendanners originally from Hof Gyzedan located in the Toggenburg Valley of Switzerland and our history is�documented all the way back to about 1401 A.D.�

My grandfather worked for the railroad in Jackson Tennessee and had been transfered to Murphysboro, Illinois sometime after 1900. In the back of the book this guy had researched for and published was my Dad's name as "Tom Danner" and all of his sisters and his dad, but with no other information about us.... just the names with no data.

It seems that�when Thomas George Getzendanner migrated from Frederick, Maryland in 1788, this German who owned a thick family Bible in the original German language therefore he knew and could read�German, although he was the 3rd generation�in America. When this German came to the Scot-Irish populations in South Carolina, they had a difficult time figuring out or understanding compound names such as Getzendanner. In the documents of SC Archives the Irish called him Thomas Kitson Danner as well as other forms of misunderstanding. Therefore, Thomas George dropped the Getzen portion and even for a short duration wrote his name Getzen-Danner. The tradition in the family was to assign the middle initial "G." to all of his�children and this tradition continued for a couple of generations until the finally grew away from it. Therefore ANY Thomas G. Danner, such as was my dad's name and how he wrote and signed it, was suspect of being kin to the G.Danners.

One more thing and then I'm done. The year I came to Augusta was 1971 with the USArmy during Viet�Nam. I married a girl who lived in Augusta and it is Augusta where I have remained. The year I started looking for SC connections was 1997.�When I got the Thomas Getzendanner book it was autographed at my request by the author and that is dated Dec 1997. In the year 2000, a genealogist in Union County, South Carolina after years of searching found the old Danner cemetery on private property on what was then the 1200+ acre Danner Plantation land.�A ditch was constructed around the cemetery to keep the cattle out and in May of 2000 I, my wife, my daughter, and her boyfriend�(they later married) all took off to go see and photograph that cemetery. And�in that wooded place of rest were the two granite slabs 4 feet�wide by 6 feet long. The one stated it was the grave site of Thomas Gitsondanner who died in 1844 and next to him his�wife, who died in 1849. Long poems were carved out of the granite slabs and while broken here and there largely was able to be read and preserved. The photos of the slabs and the cemetery itself were taken by my soon to be son-in-law and in 2005 a 3rd book was published with those photos inside and credited to J. S. Lewis, my SIL.

Since 1971 until 2000, I had lived within 90 miles of my 3rd Great Grandparents land and graves and had not known anything about it.�Thomas George's wife, Amelia Stokes, was kin to the Stokes families who arrived in SC many years�before�the Getzendanner from Maryland and had settled in what is now Greenville�County.�Jeremiah Stokes of Greenville SC had a son named Levi Stokes and one of Amelia Stokes Getzendanner's sons was name Levi Stokes Getzendanner. We still don't know how�Amelia and Jeremiah�were related, but we know that they were.�Amelia and Thomas George�both came out of Frederick County Maryland and may have traveled�to SC together in a larger�group.

After my�daughter and son-in-law married in�2004, he was transfered to ......... Greenville SC. They first started out in Birmingham Alabama, near Tuscaloosa where Getzendanner kin live to this day. Jeremiah Stokes built a homestead on Reedy River�somewhere near Greenville. And now both of my grandchildren have been born in Greenville, Greenville County, SC. And where has�many a picture of my granddaughter been snapped? Why in the town park on a body of water that flows through the heart of Greenville called ......... Reedy�River.

Discoveries are gleefully golden and delightfully joyous to share.

Thanks for allowing me to share these stories with all of�you.�

�

To: topegen@yahoogroups.com
From: gmc3609@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:36:52 -0700
Subject: RE: [topegen] First John Tope

Hi, I don't know about being an expert on Frederick Tope, I never knew the Tope's were part of my lineage until I had been searching my family roots for several years, that's almost 30 years ago.� As to your assumption about Mariah, it's the closet we've been to connecting her to the line, go with it. Maybe I can find something else on her too, with that info. I sure will look. As for John Core, it's mentioned in the Tope family book about Frederick and John Core going� down the Ohio, he turns up�on the Logan Co., Ky. tax rolls with 1 male over 21 (himself) and 1 male over 16 (maybe John Core), his first born son was Joseph and he would have only been abt. 4 yrs old. After that, I don't know what became of John Core, but I think I will go looking for him.�� Gail
--- On Tue, 6/16/09, Wm M Danner <macdann@...> wrote:

From: Wm M Danner <macdann@...>
Subject: RE: [topegen] First John Tope
To: "Family Tope" <topegen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 4:54 PM

Gail,
I don't recall you ever mentioning John Core before.� What became of him? Did he also make it to Illinois? And what about the�step-brother connection to Frederick?
�
One last thing Gail........ . I have officially claimed Elvira Grammer Tope-Welch as the mother of�my�Mariah Tope Jacobs�since after Frederick died Elvira remarried and in the 1860 census there is a Maria Welch�12�yrs old, which is the�age of my Maria (the spelling varied in two other families, but was pronounced "mariah" and not like Ave Maria).

No other proof..... yet.

What I want to know is, does this pass within your judgment as to this linkage? You've never voiced an opinion on this since I mentioned it the last time it was mentioned herein.

I'm seeking your approval because you are the leading expert on Frederick and Jackson�and Union counties in Illinois.�

To: topegen@yahoogroups .com
From: gmc3609@yahoo. com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:40:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [topegen] First John Tope

Frederick Tope separated from his brothers and went down the Ohio River with his step-brother, John Core, according to the book. He is listed on the Logan Co. Ky.�tax rolls in 1795. In 1810 Butler Co he is on that census. I have a note that says he was in Warren Co. Ky. in 1800, but don't know for sure where that info came from. He wed Elizabeth Grammer abt 1788 in Ky.

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, wgtope@... <wgtope@...> wrote:

From: wgtope@... <wgtope@...>
Subject: Re: [topegen] First John Tope
To: topegen@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 1:46 AM

George and John Tope in Fayette County, PA

On September15th and 16th, 2008, I visited the Pennsylvania Room of the
Fayette County, library in Uniontown, PA to determine when George and John
Tope came and when they left this area. Unfortunately, I was not able to
decipher when they came, but it was clear that they left either in 1799 or
the spring of 1800, which is consistent with Melancthon. Tope�s conclusion
after he evaluated all of his data.

The 1790 Federal Census lists both of them with George having one male
under 16 and three females listed in his household, and John having one
male under 16 and one female in his household. This is rather common
knowledge, but I have repeated it here for reference purposes.

I spent all of my time trying to decipher a microfilm titled, �Board of
County Commissioners Tax Records, German Twp. 1785 -1815�. The early
years were difficult to read, somewhat garbled, and appeared not to be
complete. Starting with 1797, the names and data were arranged in
alphabetical order and easily read.

For the later years it appeared that a list was compiled each spring (one
was dated January and another was dated February) from the prior year�s
record, and then field verified. At the end of each list was a tax
summary that was certified by signatures and dated by year, but not always
by month and day. The librarian said that, since the list was compiled
early in the year, it represented the prior year�s status. This was
important to my quest.

Briefly, both George and John are listed for several consecutive years,
but Frederick was not found. This is consistent with the M. Tope history.
Neither George nor John owned any land. Their taxable assets consisted
of horses and cattle. I assume that oxen were classified as cattle. The
key as to when they left this area is found in the records dated 1799,
1800 and 1801.

At the end of the 1801 record is titled (as I interpreted it to read),
�Transcript of Property Compared, Year 1801� and signed by the �Collector�
who appeared to be Thomas Boyer.
George Tope was not listed, but John Tope had the following notation,
�Gone Away�.

I did not find George in the 1800 record. The entry for John had the word
Tope somewhat obscured, but his listed assets are consistent with prior
years, so I am confident that entry is for John. The assets were lined
out with a notation, �Gone out of this Township�.

The 1799 record is dated �31st day of January, 1799�, is signed by Henry
Jennings and James Wilson, and is titled, �Transcript of the Property Roll
of German Township for the Year 1799�. The page that includes George and
John is of poor quality and the To is missing from Tope in George�s entry.
However, I have no reason to believe that this is not them.

These records confirm that both George and John were residing in German
Township throughout 1798, but both had left the area by the time the 1800
list was compiled. If the 1800 list was compiled early in the year, this
would mean that they left for Ohio sometime in 1799 � probably in the
spring, but no later than very early in 1800. In his Tope History, M.
Tope concluded that they came to Ohio in 1800.

This leaves the question of, �When did they arrive in Fayette County, PA?�
Unfortunately, I was not able to determine a definitive date. The
earlier the record, the poorer the quality and the more difficult it is to
follow, and to make any conclusive statements. Also, I ran out of time.
I did find was both names in the 1796, 1797, 1798 (spelled Toup not Tope)
records. The pages for 1796 were not in order as they are from that point
forward.

Records for the years prior to 1796 become very confusing, very difficult
to read, and they probably are not in chronological order. I found George
listed at least twice and John at least twice, but it soon became a
mystery as to which year each page belonged.

Regarding Frederick Tope and the first John, I never found either name
listed. If either of them lived there, they had no taxable assets, were
living in another household, or were listed in one of the early years that
were difficult to read.

William G. Tope

#1152

From: "Alan Tope" <tope-e34@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 10:51 am
Subject: RE: First John Tope

alantopegen

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Thanks for your thoughful and thorough story. It's good to know that this tale, and all our other posts, are being captured in the TopeGen archives.

Alan

From: topegen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:topegen@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wm M Danner
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:15 AM
To: Family Tope
Subject: RE: [topegen] First John Tope

Thank you Gail. I very much appreciate your response back to me and any help you can give in trying to find a more solid connection to the Frederick line. The John Core line sounds interesting too. And it seems like it is wide open to develop a genealogical line of descendents that connect to the Topes. New discoveries are so exciting to find and pioneering a new line is choice territory.

A side story: Whenever I first started looking for my own connections to my original name, Getzendanner, I was researching from where I am now in Augusta GA. My family knew little about our heritage. About all we did know what that it started in South Carolina, so my brother suggested that I look around and dig there. Augusta GA sets on the Savannah River which is the dividing line between GA and SC. I checked in our local public library and found nearly nothing. After joining the Genealogical Library here, things began to happen as I poured through all of the hard back books on SC. I'd spend every day they were open down there searching. Then, one day I was searching through the LDS disk collection. I'd been in there before many times but didn't know before that there was a library catalog on one of those disks. I found some leads to Orangeburg, SC where a couple of German Lutherans by the name of Giezendanner came to Orangeburg in the 1700s and while I thought there might be connection there somewhere, it just didn't fit my gut. I couldn't get a feel for connectedness. It was possible but something told me to keep looking.

In that catalog on disk I found a reference to a privately published book by a David C. Getzendanner from Salem Oregon. This guy was a retired Lutheran minister. The title of his book was "Thomas Getzendanner of Maryland and South Carolina", published in 1993. After finding a way to phone him, I got him on the phone and told him I thought I might be related. He asked me to outline my father's line and I only knew a small amount of information. I knew the Gitson or Getzen portion of Getzendanner and told him who I was an where I was born, etc and that my dad had come from West Tennessee in Gibson County. And his name was Thomas Gilchrist Danner ("Thomas G.", you understand) and so this guy said he'd check his book and get back to me. Well, I thought this can't be the correct lineage with this guy all the way out in Oregon. When he called back within a couple of hours, he said, it appeared that it might be possible but he wanted to make sure and so he asked me if I knew anything more about my dad's family and so I gave him the names of dad's siblings and also named Dad's dad. And on the other end of the phone came a gleeful sound of joy. He said, Bill, you've found your family line. He said, "We lost your line of Danners in 1900". David Cramer Getzendanner has been able to travel to Germany in search of our lines and talked with German State Genealogists in tracking down the douments necessary to publish his series of books on the Getzendanner lines. We are not German Danners, but Swiss Getzendanners originally from Hof Gyzedan located in the Toggenburg Valley of Switzerland and our history is documented all the way back to about 1401 A.D.

My grandfather worked for the railroad in Jackson Tennessee and had been transfered to Murphysboro, Illinois sometime after 1900. In the back of the book this guy had researched for and published was my Dad's name as "Tom Danner" and all of his sisters and his dad, but with no other information about us.... just the names with no data.

It seems that when Thomas George Getzendanner migrated from Frederick, Maryland in 1788, this German who owned a thick family Bible in the original German language therefore he knew and could read German, although he was the 3rd generation in America. When this German came to the Scot-Irish populations in South Carolina, they had a difficult time figuring out or understanding compound names such as Getzendanner. In the documents of SC Archives the Irish called him Thomas Kitson Danner as well as other forms of misunderstanding. Therefore, Thomas George dropped the Getzen portion and even for a short duration wrote his name Getzen-Danner. The tradition in the family was to assign the middle initial "G." to all of his children and this tradition continued for a couple of generations until the finally grew away from it. Therefore ANY Thomas G. Danner, such as was my dad's name and how he wrote and signed it, was suspect of being kin to the G.Danners.

One more thing and then I'm done. The year I came to Augusta was 1971 with the USArmy during Viet Nam. I married a girl who lived in Augusta and it is Augusta where I have remained. The year I started looking for SC connections was 1997. When I got the Thomas Getzendanner book it was autographed at my request by the author and that is dated Dec 1997. In the year 2000, a genealogist in Union County, South Carolina after years of searching found the old Danner cemetery on private property on what was then the 1200+ acre Danner Plantation land. A ditch was constructed around the cemetery to keep the cattle out and in May of 2000 I, my wife, my daughter, and her boyfriend (they later married) all took off to go see and photograph that cemetery. And in that wooded place of rest were the two granite slabs 4 feet wide by 6 feet long. The one stated it was the grave site of Thomas Gitsondanner who died in 1844 and next to him his wife, who died in 1849. Long poems were carved out of the granite slabs and while broken here and there largely was able to be read and preserved. The photos of the slabs and the cemetery itself were taken by my soon to be son-in-law and in 2005 a 3rd book was published with those photos inside and credited to J. S. Lewis, my SIL.

Since 1971 until 2000, I had lived within 90 miles of my 3rd Great Grandparents land and graves and had not known anything about it. Thomas George's wife, Amelia Stokes, was kin to the Stokes families who arrived in SC many years before the Getzendanner from Maryland and had settled in what is now Greenville County. Jeremiah Stokes of Greenville SC had a son named Levi Stokes and one of Amelia Stokes Getzendanner's sons was name Levi Stokes Getzendanner. We still don't know how Amelia and Jeremiah were related, but we know that they were. Amelia and Thomas George both came out of Frederick County Maryland and may have traveled to SC together in a larger group.

After my daughter and son-in-law married in 2004, he was transfered to ......... Greenville SC. They first started out in Birmingham Alabama, near Tuscaloosa where Getzendanner kin live to this day. Jeremiah Stokes built a homestead on Reedy River somewhere near Greenville. And now both of my grandchildren have been born in Greenville, Greenville County, SC. And where has many a picture of my granddaughter been snapped? Why in the town park on a body of water that flows through the heart of Greenville called ......... Reedy River.

Discoveries are gleefully golden and delightfully joyous to share.

Thanks for allowing me to share these stories with all of you.

To: topegen@yahoogroups.com
From: gmc3609@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:36:52 -0700
Subject: RE: [topegen] First John Tope

Hi, I don't know about being an expert on Frederick Tope, I never knew the Tope's were part of my lineage until I had been searching my family roots for several years, that's almost 30 years ago. As to your assumption about Mariah, it's the closet we've been to connecting her to the line, go with it. Maybe I can find something else on her too, with that info. I sure will look. As for John Core, it's mentioned in the Tope family book about Frederick and John Core going down the Ohio, he turns up on the Logan Co., Ky. tax rolls with 1 male over 21 (himself) and 1 male over 16 (maybe John Core), his first born son was Joseph and he would have only been abt. 4 yrs old. After that, I don't know what became of John Core, but I think I will go looking for him. Gail
--- On Tue, 6/16/09, Wm M Danner <macdann@...> wrote:

From: Wm M Danner <macdann@...>
Subject: RE: [topegen] First John Tope
To: "Family Tope" <topegen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 4:54 PM

Gail,
I don't recall you ever mentioning John Core before. What became of him? Did he also make it to Illinois? And what about the step-brother connection to Frederick?

One last thing Gail........ . I have officially claimed Elvira Grammer Tope-Welch as the mother of my Mariah Tope Jacobs since after Frederick died Elvira remarried and in the 1860 census there is a Maria Welch 12 yrs old, which is the age of my Maria (the spelling varied in two other families, but was pronounced "mariah" and not like Ave Maria).

No other proof..... yet.

What I want to know is, does this pass within your judgment as to this linkage? You've never voiced an opinion on this since I mentioned it the last time it was mentioned herein.

I'm seeking your approval because you are the leading expert on Frederick and Jackson and Union counties in Illinois.

To: topegen@yahoogroups .com
From: gmc3609@yahoo. com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:40:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [topegen] First John Tope

Frederick Tope separated from his brothers and went down the Ohio River with his step-brother, John Core, according to the book. He is listed on the Logan Co. Ky. tax rolls in 1795. In 1810 Butler Co he is on that census. I have a note that says he was in Warren Co. Ky. in 1800, but don't know for sure where that info came from. He wed Elizabeth Grammer abt 1788 in Ky.

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, wgtope@... <wgtope@...> wrote:

From: wgtope@... <wgtope@...>
Subject: Re: [topegen] First John Tope
To: topegen@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 1:46 AM

George and John Tope in Fayette County, PA

On September15th and 16th, 2008, I visited the Pennsylvania Room of the
Fayette County, library in Uniontown, PA to determine when George and John
Tope came and when they left this area. Unfortunately, I was not able to
decipher when they came, but it was clear that they left either in 1799 or
the spring of 1800, which is consistent with Melancthon. Tope’s conclusion
after he evaluated all of his data.

The 1790 Federal Census lists both of them with George having one male
under 16 and three females listed in his household, and John having one
male under 16 and one female in his household. This is rather common
knowledge, but I have repeated it here for reference purposes.

I spent all of my time trying to decipher a microfilm titled, “Board of
County Commissioners Tax Records, German Twp. 1785 -1815”. The early
years were difficult to read, somewhat garbled, and appeared not to be
complete. Starting with 1797, the names and data were arranged in
alphabetical order and easily read.

For the later years it appeared that a list was compiled each spring (one
was dated January and another was dated February) from the prior year’s
record, and then field verified. At the end of each list was a tax
summary that was certified by signatures and dated by year, but not always
by month and day. The librarian said that, since the list was compiled
early in the year, it represented the prior year’s status. This was
important to my quest.

Briefly, both George and John are listed for several consecutive years,
but Frederick was not found. This is consistent with the M. Tope history.
Neither George nor John owned any land. Their taxable assets consisted
of horses and cattle. I assume that oxen were classified as cattle. The
key as to when they left this area is found in the records dated 1799,
1800 and 1801.

At the end of the 1801 record is titled (as I interpreted it to read),
“Transcript of Property Compared, Year 1801” and signed by the “Collector”
who appeared to be Thomas Boyer.
George Tope was not listed, but John Tope had the following notation,
“Gone Away”.

I did not find George in the 1800 record. The entry for John had the word
Tope somewhat obscured, but his listed assets are consistent with prior
years, so I am confident that entry is for John. The assets were lined
out with a notation, “Gone out of this Township”.

The 1799 record is dated “31st day of January, 1799”, is signed by Henry
Jennings and James Wilson, and is titled, “Transcript of the Property Roll
of German Township for the Year 1799”. The page that includes George and
John is of poor quality and the To is missing from Tope in George’s entry.
However, I have no reason to believe that this is not them.

These records confirm that both George and John were residing in German
Township throughout 1798, but both had left the area by the time the 1800
list was compiled. If the 1800 list was compiled early in the year, this
would mean that they left for Ohio sometime in 1799 – probably in the
spring, but no later than very early in 1800. In his Tope History, M.
Tope concluded that they came to Ohio in 1800.

This leaves the question of, “When did they arrive in Fayette County, PA?”
Unfortunately, I was not able to determine a definitive date. The
earlier the record, the poorer the quality and the more difficult it is to
follow, and to make any conclusive statements. Also, I ran out of time.
I did find was both names in the 1796, 1797, 1798 (spelled Toup not Tope)
records. The pages for 1796 were not in order as they are from that point
forward.

Records for the years prior to 1796 become very confusing, very difficult
to read, and they probably are not in chronological order. I found George
listed at least twice and John at least twice, but it soon became a
mystery as to which year each page belonged.

Regarding Frederick Tope and the first John, I never found either name
listed. If either of them lived there, they had no taxable assets, were
living in another household, or were listed in one of the early years that
were difficult to read.

William G. Tope

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#1151

From: Wm M Danner <macdann@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 5:14 am
Subject: RE: First John Tope

tmariahope

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To: topegen@yahoogroups.com
From: gmc3609@...
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:36:52 -0700
Subject: RE: [topegen] First John Tope

From: Wm M Danner <macdann@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [topegen] First John Tope
To: "Family Tope" <topegen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 4:54 PM

Gail,
I don't recall you ever mentioning John Core before. What became of him? Did he also make it to Illinois? And what about the step-brother connection to Frederick?

One last thing Gail........ . I have officially claimed Elvira Grammer Tope-Welch as the mother of my Mariah Tope Jacobs since after Frederick died Elvira remarried and in the 1860 census there is a Maria Welch 12 yrs old, which is the age of my Maria (the spelling varied in two other families, but was pronounced "mariah" and not like Ave Maria).

No other proof..... yet.

What I want to know is, does this pass within your judgment as to this linkage? You've never voiced an opinion on this since I mentioned it the last time it was mentioned herein.

I'm seeking your approval because you are the leading expert on Frederick and Jackson and Union counties in Illinois.

To: topegen@yahoogroups .com
From: gmc3609@yahoo. com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:40:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [topegen] First John Tope

Frederick Tope separated from his brothers and went down the Ohio River with his step-brother, John Core, according to the book. He is listed on the Logan Co. Ky. tax rolls in 1795. In 1810 Butler Co he is on that census. I have a note that says he was in Warren Co. Ky. in 1800, but don't know for sure where that info came from. He wed Elizabeth Grammer abt 1788 in Ky.

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, wgtope@... <wgtope@...> wrote:

From: wgtope@... <wgtope@...>
Subject: Re: [topegen] First John Tope
To: topegen@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 1:46 AM

George and John Tope in Fayette County, PA

On September15th and 16th, 2008, I visited the Pennsylvania Room of the
Fayette County, library in Uniontown, PA to determine when George and John
Tope came and when they left this area. Unfortunately, I was not able to
decipher when they came, but it was clear that they left either in 1799 or
the spring of 1800, which is consistent with Melancthon. Tope�s conclusion
after he evaluated all of his data.

The 1790 Federal Census lists both of them with George having one male
under 16 and three females listed in his household, and John having one
male under 16 and one female in his household. This is rather common
knowledge, but I have repeated it here for reference purposes.

I spent all of my time trying to decipher a microfilm titled, �Board of
County Commissioners Tax Records, German Twp. 1785 -1815�. The early
years were difficult to read, somewhat garbled, and appeared not to be
complete. Starting with 1797, the names and data were arranged in
alphabetical order and easily read.

For the later years it appeared that a list was compiled each spring (one
was dated January and another was dated February) from the prior year�s
record, and then field verified. At the end of each list was a tax
summary that was certified by signatures and dated by year, but not always
by month and day. The librarian said that, since the list was compiled
early in the year, it represented the prior year�s status. This was
important to my quest.

Briefly, both George and John are listed for several consecutive years,
but Frederick was not found. This is consistent with the M. Tope history.
Neither George nor John owned any land. Their taxable assets consisted
of horses and cattle. I assume that oxen were classified as cattle. The
key as to when they left this area is found in the records dated 1799,
1800 and 1801.

At the end of the 1801 record is titled (as I interpreted it to read),
�Transcript of Property Compared, Year 1801� and signed by the �Collector�
who appeared to be Thomas Boyer.
George Tope was not listed, but John Tope had the following notation,
�Gone Away�.

I did not find George in the 1800 record. The entry for John had the word
Tope somewhat obscured, but his listed assets are consistent with prior
years, so I am confident that entry is for John. The assets were lined
out with a notation, �Gone out of this Township�.

The 1799 record is dated �31st day of January, 1799�, is signed by Henry
Jennings and James Wilson, and is titled, �Transcript of the Property Roll
of German Township for the Year 1799�. The page that includes George and
John is of poor quality and the To is missing from Tope in George�s entry.
However, I have no reason to believe that this is not them.

These records confirm that both George and John were residing in German
Township throughout 1798, but both had left the area by the time the 1800
list was compiled. If the 1800 list was compiled early in the year, this
would mean that they left for Ohio sometime in 1799 � probably in the
spring, but no later than very early in 1800. In his Tope History, M.
Tope concluded that they came to Ohio in 1800.

This leaves the question of, �When did they arrive in Fayette County, PA?�
Unfortunately, I was not able to determine a definitive date. The
earlier the record, the poorer the quality and the more difficult it is to
follow, and to make any conclusive statements. Also, I ran out of time.
I did find was both names in the 1796, 1797, 1798 (spelled Toup not Tope)
records. The pages for 1796 were not in order as they are from that point
forward.

Records for the years prior to 1796 become very confusing, very difficult
to read, and they probably are not in chronological order. I found George
listed at least twice and John at least twice, but it soon became a
mystery as to which year each page belonged.

Regarding Frederick Tope and the first John, I never found either name
listed. If either of them lived there, they had no taxable assets, were
living in another household, or were listed in one of the early years that
were difficult to read.

William G. Tope

#1150

From: GAIL CARAWAY <gmc3609@...>
Date: Thu Jul 2, 2009 8:36 pm
Subject: RE: First John Tope

gmc3609

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From: Wm M Danner <macdann@...>
Subject: RE: [topegen] First John Tope
To: "Family Tope" <topegen@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 4:54 PM

Gail,
I don't recall you ever mentioning John Core before. What became of him? Did he also make it to Illinois? And what about the step-brother connection to Frederick?

One last thing Gail........ . I have officially claimed Elvira Grammer Tope-Welch as the mother of my Mariah Tope Jacobs since after Frederick died Elvira remarried and in the 1860 census there is a Maria Welch 12 yrs old, which is the age of my Maria (the spelling varied in two other families, but was pronounced "mariah" and not like Ave Maria).

No other proof..... yet.

What I want to know is, does this pass within your judgment as to this linkage? You've never voiced an opinion on this since I mentioned it the last time it was mentioned herein.

I'm seeking your approval because you are the leading expert on Frederick and Jackson and Union counties in Illinois.

To: topegen@yahoogroups .com
From: gmc3609@yahoo. com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:40:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [topegen] First John Tope

Frederick Tope separated from his brothers and went down the Ohio River with his step-brother, John Core, according to the book. He is listed on the Logan Co. Ky. tax rolls in 1795. In 1810 Butler Co he is on that census. I have a note that says he was in Warren Co. Ky. in 1800, but don't know for sure where that info came from. He wed Elizabeth Grammer abt 1788 in Ky.

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, wgtope@... <wgtope@...> wrote:

From: wgtope@... <wgtope@...>
Subject: Re: [topegen] First John Tope
To: topegen@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 1:46 AM

George and John Tope in Fayette County, PA

On September15th and 16th, 2008, I visited the Pennsylvania Room of the
Fayette County, library in Uniontown, PA to determine when George and John
Tope came and when they left this area. Unfortunately, I was not able to
decipher when they came, but it was clear that they left either in 1799 or
the spring of 1800, which is consistent with Melancthon. Tope’s conclusion
after he evaluated all of his data.

The 1790 Federal Census lists both of them with George having one male
under 16 and three females listed in his household, and John having one
male under 16 and one female in his household. This is rather common
knowledge, but I have repeated it here for reference purposes.

I spent all of my time trying to decipher a microfilm titled, “Board of
County Commissioners Tax Records, German Twp. 1785 -1815”. The early
years were difficult to read, somewhat garbled, and appeared not to be
complete. Starting with 1797, the names and data were arranged in
alphabetical order and easily read.

For the later years it appeared that a list was compiled each spring (one
was dated January and another was dated February) from the prior year’s
record, and then field verified. At the end of each list was a tax
summary that was certified by signatures and dated by year, but not always
by month and day. The librarian said that, since the list was compiled
early in the year, it represented the prior year’s status. This was
important to my quest.

Briefly, both George and John are listed for several consecutive years,
but Frederick was not found. This is consistent with the M. Tope history.
Neither George nor John owned any land. Their taxable assets consisted
of horses and cattle. I assume that oxen were classified as cattle. The
key as to when they left this area is found in the records dated 1799,
1800 and 1801.

At the end of the 1801 record is titled (as I interpreted it to read),
“Transcript of Property Compared, Year 1801” and signed by the “Collector”
who appeared to be Thomas Boyer.
George Tope was not listed, but John Tope had the following notation,
“Gone Away”.

I did not find George in the 1800 record. The entry for John had the word
Tope somewhat obscured, but his listed assets are consistent with prior
years, so I am confident that entry is for John. The assets were lined
out with a notation, “Gone out of this Township”.

The 1799 record is dated “31st day of January, 1799”, is signed by Henry
Jennings and James Wilson, and is titled, “Transcript of the Property Roll
of German Township for the Year 1799”. The page that includes George and
John is of poor quality and the To is missing from Tope in George’s entry.
However, I have no reason to believe that this is not them.

These records confirm that both George and John were residing in German
Township throughout 1798, but both had left the area by the time the 1800
list was compiled. If the 1800 list was compiled early in the year, this
would mean that they left for Ohio sometime in 1799 – probably in the
spring, but no later than very early in 1800. In his Tope History, M.
Tope concluded that they came to Ohio in 1800.

This leaves the question of, “When did they arrive in Fayette County, PA?”
Unfortunately, I was not able to determine a definitive date. The
earlier the record, the poorer the quality and the more difficult it is to
follow, and to make any conclusive statements. Also, I ran out of time.
I did find was both names in the 1796, 1797, 1798 (spelled Toup not Tope)
records. The pages for 1796 were not in order as they are from that point
forward.

Records for the years prior to 1796 become very confusing, very difficult
to read, and they probably are not in chronological order. I found George
listed at least twice and John at least twice, but it soon became a
mystery as to which year each page belonged.

Regarding Frederick Tope and the first John, I never found either name
listed. If either of them lived there, they had no taxable assets, were
living in another household, or were listed in one of the early years that
were difficult to read.

William G. Tope

#1149

From: Wm M Danner <macdann@...>
Date: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:02 am
Subject: RE: Question regarding DNA relationship lines

tmariahope

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Thank you, Florence.

To: topegen@yahoogroups.com
From: jesterf@...
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:12:28 -0400
Subject: Re: [topegen] Question regarding DNA relationship lines

I am sorry but the Y DNA test can only prove relationship when there is a male carrying the family name. At this point in time, I know of no DNA test that works like that for the maternal line (I wish there was as my own maternal line has a brick wall and no male carrying the name to be tested).

Go to FamilyTreeDNA and you can find an explanation there regarding the genetic makeup of the male Y chromosome and how there are markers there that transmit from generation to generation unchanged.

Florence Johnston Jester

#1147

From: jesterf@...
Date: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: Question regarding DNA relationship lines

jesterflorence

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Go to FamilyTreeDNA and you can find an explanation there regarding the genetic makeup of the male Y chromosome and how there are markers there that transmit from generation to generation unchanged.

Florence Johnston Jester

#1146

From: Merle SCHULTZ <magicwizard8@...>
Date: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:02 am
Subject: RE: FTDNA extended tests at a special price

magicwizard_99

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Thank you, Alan.

Merle Schultz

To: topegen@yahoogroups.com
From: tope-e34@...
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:26:24 -0400
Subject: RE: [topegen] FTDNA extended tests at a special price

I've told Florence that I'd volunteer.

Alan Tope

Brice Tope �

William Elmer Tope �

Richard Otto Tope �

� me �

From: topegen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:topegen@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jesterf@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:22 AM
To: topegen@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [topegen] FTDNA extended tests at a special price

Do you know someone of Brice Tope's line that you might contact and ask if he would do the test?

Florence J

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